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Are client's rowdy children devils?.....or somthing else?

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Real Estate Agent with BrioRealty

my precious little boyI know we have all had them, client's children that run around the house you are showing, screaming, yelling, or just being a disruption. And maybe you're thinking, "gosh that child is just bad", or "what kind of parents would allow this?"

I contend that maybe you look beyond what you see for there is often much more there. My own recent experience in a restaraunt prompted me to write this blog. My wife, 7 year old son and a friend were eating at a popular casual dining restaraunt and my son was making some noises in a playful way even despite my urging him to keep an inside voice he continued to make funny noises a little more loudly possibly than what is considered normal but not extreme. There was a man maybe 55-60 years old eating dinner with his wife sitting to our right and the man looked over to us and said somthing that I could not understand, so I said "I beg your pardon I did not hear you" and the man replied "can you keep your kid quite I am trying to eat my dinner here!" in a very impolite voice and manner. Having experienced this situation many times before I did not immediately get angered by the man's comments I simply and politeley replied "I am sorry sir my son suffers from Autism and sometimes makes noises." Then to my astonishment the man replied "what the kid needs is some old fashioned discipline!" This of course angered me intensly and an arguement ensued.

The point here is that you can't always tell what is going on in any certain situation. My 7 year old son looks like any other 7 year old, likes what other 7 year olds like, and can speak as a 7 year old (not in traditional way however) but he does not understand societal norms at all, does not understand much of his actions, has huge episodes of frustration sometimes exhibited as tantrums or even hitting & kicking.

He is not a bad child, he has a disability. I know maybe you are thinking that this could be true for your child but how common is it, whats the possibility I would encounter this? I ask you, have you seen a 133 different children in your life? Then the answer is you have most likely encountered an Autistic child. The newest numbers suggest 1 out of every 133 children born have a form of Autism and 1 out of every 99 boys have Autisim. And please remember these children are not retarded or brain damaged and even though it may not seem so, they understand alot more of whats going on around than what it appears.

I leave you with a request: Next time you encounter a child either in your business or just out in public that seems like a brat, rowdy, disorderly, or just odd stop and consider the possibility that there is more to the picture than what you may realize. And if you're a person that tends to make audible remarks to others or to yourself even(that could possibly be overheard), please pause and re-think, we as parents of Autistic children have a very tough road and deal with quite enough sadness that we really don't need to be reminded of our situation by others nor do we deserve to have to defend our children in public when trying to enjoy a family evening.

Thanks you for reading and God Bless

Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire

Every child is a gift..and has a special light. Your son's is that infectious smile.It will see him through and open many hearts!

You are very blessed.

Mar 15, 2007 01:39 PM
Chris Griffith
Downing-Frye Realty, Bonita Springs, FL - Bonita Springs, FL
Bonita Springs Listing Specialist - Agent

My daughter and I were in a store the other day and a girl about 9 or 10 screamed and made some noises that startled me they were so sharp in a quiet environment.  (it was actually provoked by being happy but it didn't sound like she was happy) I realized what was going on and went about my business.  My daughter came over and said I just saw a show on Tourettes s syndrome, I wouldn't have known what was going on if I hadn't.  I'm glad I understand it, now.  I was actually surprised she knew about it and was empathetic. 

So many people aren't tollerant and unfortunately, sometimes we're just collateral damage for someone elses bad day.  That guy had a crappy day and took it out on innocent by standers.  Maybe he should have stayed home and ordered a pizza.

Mar 15, 2007 01:46 PM
Julie Ferenzi
john greene Realtor - Plainfield, IL
Julie Ferenzi

Ethan,

I was an after school care-giver for a child with autism when I was in high school.  I understand what you are saying. 

Sometimes people made very rude comments and remarks... and you know what... you don't owe anyone an explanations when it comes to your child's disability. I know that's easier said than done though.  I would fiercly defend my child as well!

The only person who needs to make an excuse for themselves, is the idiot who makes ignorant comments under their breath... well, loud enough for everyone to hear of course!

Thanks for bringing this up.  Kids are part of the family...  and that's what homes are for!!!  They will always be part of the picture.

Mar 15, 2007 02:38 PM
Debbie White
Southeast Alaska Real Estate - Juneau, AK
I Sell Alaska!

Ethan -

I've been blessed with two boys that definitely had their rowdy days.  I think my experience helps me when I work with clients.  I keep crayons, markers and papers in my office, as well as a few stuffed animals.  A few of my clients have had special needs children and so far I've managed to make it work.

Sorry to hear about the grouchy couple in the restaurant!  My elderly, sometimes grouchy uncle lives in Pe Ell, so I was relieved when you said he was with his wife!  My uncle is a bachelor and at least I know it wasn't him in the restaurant!

Mar 15, 2007 02:47 PM
Kelli Fronabarger
Bend River Realty Inc. - Bend, OR
Realtor - Bend Oregon

Ethan,

Thank you for sharing this very powerful post. It always amazes me as to how people can be so very rude, cruel and ignorant. God bless you and yours : )

Mar 15, 2007 02:48 PM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher

 

 Ethan,

Yes, the man has a bad case of ignorance, which is no excuse for poor behavior.  EVERY child is a blessing, too bad he doesn't see that.  Let's just hope he's not a parent!

Mar 15, 2007 02:57 PM
Rich Schiffer
Swarthmore, PA
Referral Agent, e-PRO

I think you handled the situation better than I would have.  I don't know the extent of the "argument" that followed his "what the kid needs is some old fashioned discipline!" comment, but I would have probably retorted with something like, "And what you need a some old fashioned compassion!"

Most people's world revolves around themselves, and their own perceptions and perspectives.  You perfectly illustrated this in your example.  The man's reality -- that the enjoyment of his meal was being undermined by a rowdy child --  was limited by his perspective.  Changing perspectives -- a difficult thing to do under even the best circumstances -- would have allowed him to see a happy child, instead of a nuisance. 

I encourage anyone interested in the topic of Perspectives to check out my post WANTED: Fresh Perspective. Apply Within.

Mar 15, 2007 03:11 PM
Kelly Kilpatrick
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
Broker-Associate
Thats a great point you made.  There is often more to the story than meets the eye, as seems to be the case with your son.  Along the same lines, a client's poor reaction or an uncalled for remark might also be the result of unseen stresses and may be completely unrelated to the transaction at hand.  It always seems to work out better not to rush to judgement.
Mar 15, 2007 03:51 PM
Roger Stensland
Keller Williams Realty Puget Sound - Maple Valley, WA
Let's Move!
Bottom line is that in this case your son is not to fault.  However, one must consider how their choices will affect others.  If being how I am is going to offend others in certain situations, I won't put myself in those situations.  I am not a jerk and usually don't say anything, but I am offended at parents who put the comfort of one person above the comfort of many.  Most of the time the unruly children are the result of what I consider poor parenting.  This excludes the parents of children with disabilities.  But these parents need to consider the good of the many over the good of a few.
Mar 15, 2007 04:14 PM
Lisa Wopschall
Blue Fin Realty, LLC - Brookings, OR
Selling & Listing Ocean Front Properties

Ethan.

The joy of my life is my son, who has Autism. We too have had to deal with the reactions of others to behaviors that seem "different" or "not age appropriate". It is very difficult to remain calm in situations like the one you found yourself in. I will continue to take my son to restaurants, movies, malls, and anywhere else that we enjoy. I agree with Rich, people do need to have a fresh perspective on what they are encountering.  Kathy Snow has one of the best perspectives about this issue. On her Disability is Natural website she says:

Who are the so-called "handicapped" or "disabled"?

According to stereotypical perceptions, they are:

People who suffer from the tragedy of birth defects.

Paraplegic heroes who struggle to become normal again.

Victims who fight to overcome their challenges.

Categorically, they are called retarded, autistic, blind,

deaf, learning disabled, etc., etc., etc. --- ad nauseam!

 Who are they, really?


Moms and Dads. . . Sons and Daughters . . . Employees and Employers

Friends and Neighbors . . . Students and Teachers. . . Leaders and Followers

Scientists, Doctors, Actors, Presidents, and More

They are people.

They are people, first.

My hope is that we will all begin to understand and see that DISABILITY IS INDEED NATURAL!

Thank you for sharing this experience. I know how truly blessed you are as a parent.

LisaWopschall

Brookings Oregon

Mar 15, 2007 04:24 PM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

Man....I hate to be the party pooper here and I do understand that people should not be rude and I do sympathize with your child's disability and I think that you and your son might be getting painted with the same brush as people who are irresponsible parents, but people letting their kids run wild has become a plague of epidemic proportions.  Way too many parents allow their kids to act out inappropriately and I think that parents, including ones who have children with disabilities such as your child's, should be prepared to remove their child from a situation when they become a disturbance to other people's life's.  In essence, your rights extend to the point where they infringe upon mine and vise versa.

I write a column on a web site called http://www.yojayhudson.com/ and in response to the recent story that was on the news about the family that was kicked off of an Airtrans plane because the kid was acting out I wrote the following article. http://www.yojayhudson.com/Outraged_brat1.htm Please take a second to read it and feel free to write me back and tell me what you think.

Bob 

Mar 15, 2007 04:32 PM
Anonymous
Sandra Williams

To heck with grumpy people! I have spent too much of my time being curteous to rude people---I have decided it is not worth the effort! Kids are just kids---being realtors doesn't give us an excuse to be rude to our customers about their family! Their families will still be there for them long after their home has closed and we are just quarterly postcards!

Good blog---your son looks like an amazing kid!

Mar 15, 2007 04:34 PM
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Marchel Peterson
Results Realty - Spring, TX
Spring TX Real Estate E-Pro
My daughter was a strong willed child and made me eat those words "my child will never do that" many times.
Mar 15, 2007 04:40 PM
Susan Raposa
South Dakota Real Estate Company - Rapid City, SD

Ethan,

Sorry to hear about your encounter. Our son has Asperger's so I empathize w/ your situation.  He's 12 now and doing better socially but still acts out in certain situations that draws negative attention to us. 

Our first child was the typical "over-achiever" and we used to pat ourselves on the back about what wonderful parents we were and how smart our daughter was because of us.  Then when our son came along and had so many developmental delays we realized that behavior is not something that can always be controlled and we quickly got over our internal judgments of other people's kids. 

"There, but for the grace of God, go I."

I count my blessing every day that I was entrusted by God to raise up such a wonderful son and in the process be able to help educate the sometimes ignorant (and sometime RUDE) people of this world about the gift of tolerance.

I have always been that person in church that offers the comforting smile to those young parents who are all uptight because their children aren't the perfect little angels or that sometime yell out an inappropriate times. 

Taking this way of living one step further into my business, I have a bucket of potato heads and pieces that we've collected from our trip Disneyworld (pretty cool - they have Disney Potato Head parts) that I keep in my office and take along in the car which seems to work on almost every child I've ever had to drive around.  You never seem to outgrow them and the possibilities are endless if you get enough parts! :) 

My clients know that their childrens' ability to be entertained while we do the "boring" house hunting stuff is very important to me and that helps everyone to be at ease.  We stop and take snack breaks at the gas station and if I'm relaxed about it - the parents are more at ease too!

Try not to let people bring your down for ANY reason.  I'm sure everyone else in that restaurant wanted to tell that couple to "take a hike" as well.  Too bad more of us don't speak up for the innocent when witnessing a situation like this. Then you wouldn't have had to fight the battle yourself!

 

Mar 15, 2007 04:43 PM
Ethan Pruett
BrioRealty - Olympia, WA

Thank you all for your kind words. Just for clarity there has been many situations such as the one I identified and as some have stated I could rise above an indidual's impatience and thoughtless remarks and ignore them, however I see it in retrospect as an opportunity to hopefully on some level educate that person. Maybe at the time they will strike back and be defensive but maybe they later learn and be more aware children and people that are different.

I would also like to respond to Roger Stensland's comment of "Most of the time the unruly children are the result of what I consider poor parenting." This is realy the root of the problem, you don't know which children you encounter have disabilities or not. As with most children of Autistic spectrum disorders you cannot tell by any physical charachteristics that they are any different than any other. Not to mention there are many other dissabilities other than Autism that are tough to identify by sight that may cause adverse aparant adverse bahavior. And much of what seems like "bad behavior" is possibly joy, happiness, echolalia, or over stimulus and an inability to deal with certain enviornmental conditions. I am not saying however children should not learn proper societal manners, my child included. I try to explain to him what is appropriate and what is not, sometimes he finds he is capable of bringing himself to a more conjenial level at other times he is unable to contain himself. It would be wrong if I were to withhold him from life experiences and pleasures to remove him from situations.

 Sorry to continue on so much but I am happy people are reading my post and hopefully have a little more awareness because of it. Once again I thank each and everyone of you for your reading of my post today and I thank each of you for your response.

Thank you and god bless

Mar 15, 2007 04:46 PM
Allison Stewart
St.Cloud Homes - Saint Cloud, FL
St. Cloud Fl Realtor, Osceola County Real Estate 407-616-9904
What a beautiful boy!  You cannot change other people. It seems with age some people think it is okay to complain about everything and anything.  Not all disabilities are entirely visable. I think you handled yourself as well as you could under the critism and lack of empathy. There is a big difference between parents who ignore poor behavior in children, and a parent handling a child who is challenged. I admire your courage! BRAVO.
Mar 16, 2007 01:08 AM
David A. Podgursky PA
THE PODGURSKY GROUP @ Re/Max Direct - Boynton Beach, FL
THE PODGURSKY GROUP - Make the Right Move!

Ethan,

My brother in law is special needs - not autistic, just developmentally disabled... so I see it in a 30yr old and sometimes it isn't any better.  It can be very frustrating for everyone...but it is part of life and I will admit to being much more open in my life to such special needs people.

My son is 14 months old next week - not autistic... and I see the dirty looks...especially from the snowbirds who believe that this area is meant ONLY for the 55+ crowd.  I will admit that I do not like when I see kids running around a restaurant or making a huge disturbance because I have worked in restaurants and it is DANGEROUS.  People walking with hot food or drinks and kids running under them is an accident waiting to happen.

But... you CANNOT go to a Family Restaurant and expect not to have a kid somewhere in the vicinity acting up ... autistic or not.  Perhaps the guy would be better suited to dine elsewhere.

The restaurants that cater to families are usually very sensitive to kids... for instance, at 14 months, there is a LOT of mess under the high chair.  We always get a good bit of it (when we get good service)... but good family restaurants tell you to leave it because that's their job. 

It is a good family restaurant's job to also deal with the rude people that disrupt your family meal.

Mar 16, 2007 02:16 AM
Kristie Weber
RE/MAX EDGE - Saint Charles, MO

My good friend and neighbor has an autistic child, he is 15.... He has a heart of gold and a quick sharp wit, so very funny...... You have been very blessed and god chose you because you are special.. not everyone can handle it..those who do not understand have not had to deal with it before.. bless you Ethan..

 

 I agree wth David...

Mar 16, 2007 09:00 AM
Todd Clark - Retired
eXp Realty LLC - Tigard, OR
Principle Broker Oregon

I learned long ago from my parents, who are teachers. Never to talk bad about a child to their parents. If the child is a problem you state the facts on a report card and let the parents decide for themselves, what they should do.

 That person should have just let it be...Kids are kids...They make noise, they move around. The are not old farts!

YES, I have had to bite my lip a time or two. I had one client that had a child who was in their car following me and they had to pull over because the child kept reaching out the window and opening the door. Because she couldn't open the door from the inside thanks to child safety locks. WOW - scary going 35 and the back door opens with a kid on it.

Then another time I had a mother tell her daughter please stop doing that and the 2 yes TWO year old daughter told her mom "F**K You"  - I couldn't believe what I had heard. I have a 2 year old. I couldn't even imagine those words coming out of my daughters mouth. Then the mom said, what did I say. Then just ignored her and didn't even punish her.

I'm glad you have the patience to try to explain to others who are not understand that a disability can affect a child and their behavior to the world.

Todd

Mar 16, 2007 09:15 AM
Adam Tarr
MavRealty - Phoenix, AZ
PC -GRI, ABR, CDPE, RSPS, ePro - Designated Broker

WOW - I'm not a fan of children - at ALL - but the fact that they could have a disease or developmental problem never occured to me....thanks for opening my eyes!

SK

Mar 16, 2007 12:51 PM