To set the tone for this blog, I will tell you that below is an actual email to a loan officer on my team.   They encountered an issue on a purchase money loan that was well "less than perfect" credit.  It was a manual underwrite and most of the people in the transaction were upset to say the least.   This is in response to the loan officer telling me that the listing agent has informed her in a NOT so nice way that they are pulling the contract "if it doesn't close tomorrow" because their client has to settle on another home this coming Monday (5 days from now), and they need the HUD from this transaction to settle on the other.  

This email is not to point blame, as I feel the true culprit is a total breakdown in communication and proper expectations being set from the get go.   I am proud to say that we do not have many of these incidences, but any company that tries to tell you this NEVER happens is probably trying to hide something.  I feel it is a good learning ecperience for all of us. 

Dear LO,

I guess I am confused.  If the seller needs this HUD to close on their loan on Monday of their new house, then how are they able to kill the deal today and not expect delays on that closing.   Sounds like ,and I could be wrong, the old Realtor I am pissed and will bluff.  If you want to know for sure, just call them and tell them you have no positive confirmation that this will close today, but it did get CTC and that you have advised the lender to kill the loan at the request of the listing agent.  See what they tell you then.   

 

I never cease to be amazed at the power of lack of communicaton.   They honestly think we are still in the height of a boom and they can just send their client to another lender who will close it in 1 day.   Even in that part of SC where the market is still moving, the lending market has still been affected the same way.   THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.  There are a multitude of people busting their humps to get this file to the table

  There are two lessons to be learned here:

  • Stop messing with the high LTV low credit score manual underwrites.   These are the investors that are going to take forever to underwrite a file (they are busy, they have laid off half the staff, they are still advertising that they can get garbage loans closed, their people are SOOOO busy wading through not a chance loans to get to the ones that qualify, .....you get the picture)  Unless the loan to value is low and there are some very serious compensating factors, these loans are standing less and less of a chance of getting approved.  On a side note, I predicted that manual underwrite would be phased out.   With a corporate Giant like Indy Mac going out of business, you will see this happening faster and faster.   What I mean is that they revised DU 7.0 so that many tolerable manual underwriting guidelines were built in.   MOST lenders have already made the switch that if the credit score is sub 580 that it has to be approve /eligible in DU  to get final approval.   In a very short period of time you should expect ALL lenders adhering to this policy.   (For good reason)

 

  •  ALWAYS CONTROL THE TRANSACTION BY SETTING THE RIGHT EXPECTATIONS UP FRONT.  We are the money people and nobody gets paid without us to provide funding.   Work with your Realtors as a team.  Do not  candy coat things or omit things going on in the process for fear of looking bad.   It will usually come back and do just the opposite.   DO NOT take a contract for less than 30 days in this credit market.   There is just way too much that can go wrong, and people will generally drag their feet on getting you everything that you ask for.  It is human nature.   It is also a lack of understanding of our process by the borrower.  

Example: how many times have you had someone get you the final condition that you have been waiting on for a week?   As soon as they get it to you what is their question (99% of the time)?  Can we close tomorrow? (or some form of it, right)

This is because when you ask for the final condition you also HAVE to make it clear of what the next steps are.  

Example:  Now that we have your bank statement it will have to go to underwriting and be reviewed and signed off on.  This is generally taking 36-48 hours.   This means that there is no reasonable way that we are going to hit our closing date.  I need you to call your Realtor and ask them for a 15 day extension and if they have any questions they can call me.   Have your Realtor fax that extension to me as soon as they get it so as to avoid any other possible delays.   Thanks.

 By following these two tips, you will definitely close many more loans and have FAR FEWER angry and disappointed relationships.   There is a certain reality that ALL real estate professionals have to get used to ( as much as it sucks) and that is the fact the underwriting guidelines are stricter and files are being looked at much closer these days.  This creates longer turn times and MUST be accounted for in the sales cycle.  It is that simple.

 

I hope that these tips help you in your future originating endeavors and as always give me a call if you need anything else to get this file closed.

 

Tom

 

 
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10 Comments on Angry Realtors, Extended Closing Dates, Oh My! - Letters from the Field

JUL
09
2008
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Tom, I flagged this post for a feature because it gives such good insight into the delays that can be expected in today's environment.  I also like your reply to the bluffing Realtor - "looks like it will clear to close but we are killing the loan at the request of the listing agent."  Good stuff.

8:13am • #1
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Tom: It's funny how good and prompt communication can fend off a lot of problems. I've always found the relators to be fair and understanding. The one comment they consistently make is that they like to be kept in the loop. Have a great day!

 

Paul

8:21am • #2

Awesome post!

You have made some great points and suggestions. Especially about the final condition for the CTC. Not only does the UW have to sign off on the condition, but they also have to do their final audits.  Good Info!

11:06am • #3

Brian,

Thanks for flagging me.   I run across this so many times in the Realtor /Banker game. The consumer depends on their "TEAM" of experts to guide them through this extremely emotional process and when the fingers come out and start pointing and blaming, NOBODY wins.   I am a firm advocate on only working with those that work well with me.  I want to fit in and fell 100% comfortable communicating the good the bad and the ugly to this erson.   It is the only way that it works.  Thanks again.  

Paul,

I agree and can't say it enough.  Communicate, communicate communicate!  Thanks for stopping by and have a great week.

Mary,

Thanks for reading, it means a lot to me.   If people know what to ecpect they will tolerate a whole bunch.   It is when we paint the picture of rainbows and pixie dust that we start the  anger cycle over the inevitabled disappointments that will occur.   If the client is not expecting it, then they will not react well to the bumps in the road.   Thanks again and enjoy your week. 

3:40pm • #4
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Tom -  what gives???  Doesn't anyone like crisis closings anymore?

Great post and ohh so true!  I have a very tough deal that was turned down by three other lenders. It is a long shot. The agent knows it. The client knows it. But I had done my homework, sent it to an underwriter for a once over and was told it has a shot, package the deal as tight as can be and submit it.NO promises. Everyone understood and agreed....

This was conveyed to the agent. Everyone was advised the house got appraised late Monday. Everyone knows the package will be submitted this week sometime. So what happens first thing this morning? The agent calls telling me that another lender thinks they can get this deal done.They need a status update from me asap.     ---  this loan has not even been submitted yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So we have a loan that was denied by their "in house" specialists  ( yeah whatever ), and two other lenders. I have over $100 in credit supplements invested ( we have NO upfront fees ) and I am asking an underwriter I have a relationship to bend over backwards and manually underwrite a FHA purchase loan with 565 scores  --- yes - investors are really still doing this   BENEFIT TO THE BORROWER!!!  

It took all I had to not let this agents arrogence and complete disregard for professional courtesy pop my jugular vein as this deal i have had a few days and advised their would be an answer the end of this week, well - let's just say it took all I had!!!!    I feel your pain my brotha!!!

9:50pm • #5
JUL
10
2008

Lewis,

The pressure is on for all of us, both Realtors and Loan Originators alike.   Turning on each other is never a good thing for sure.   Working as a well oiled machine with a high level of TWO WAY communication is the only thing that will get us through these tough times in the purchase market.  

Remember Reatlors ALWAYS BE NICE, Originators have REFI's to fall back on and will still get paid,  lol :)  

Seriously though building teams of professionals and refusing to work with cry babies is the only thing that will distinguish you in this market.  Thanks for stopping by Lewis.   Talk to you soon.  

10:00am • #6
JUL
15
2008
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Tom...  a few things.... I am not sure why you left this as a members only post. The public should hear about this kind of stuff also.  I wrote a simialir post about 6 months ago and left it open to all.

I totally agree about setting your clients expectations.   I have a saying that I learned from my managers boss at one time...  "set your clients expectations to a minimum."  

But I will semi disagree about the statements on fico scores under 580. Even from what Lewis had stated.... could we see these lower scores get cut off at 580.  Very possible... but one reason why I will never be a broker. In 16 years in lending, I worked for a true broker for 3 months.  As a mortgage banker, we don't service our loans, but we underwrite our loans and close them in our own name. Yes, the investor has the right to not buy the loan from us, but that is after it closes. Yes, we take the risk, but we have an excellent track record. But we can manually underwrite loans down to 500. We have one investor that will buy these from us. And I have closed about 9 loans in the last 5 months that had scores from 505 to 565.  And all met normal FHA guidelines.  Just that their scores were low from previous collection accounts.

If you ever need help with a loan in MD or the surrounding states, don't hesitate to ask. Not many can accomplish these, but it can still be done. I even closed 5 loans ion the last 3 months that were denied by other lenders. I had a loan 2 weeks ago that I took with a 47 back end ratio and it ended up with a 52, because we couldn't use income that we saw, until we got their canceled checks... long story.  Overall, since we underwrite and just hired another, we are turning them around in 3 days or less.

Overall, you are correct in saying that if you know that the closing might be delayed, to ask for an extension now and not the day of, like so many do in this business. That example with the back end ratio of 52?  It was a purchase in Florida... and it was the 4th of July weekend...  I knew 3 days ahead of time that we weren't going to make it, because we had issues with our credit supplement.  I told everyone to make it that Tuesday instead of Monday, which followed a holiday weekend. They weren't happy, but I prepared them at the time, instead of taking a risk....knowing this business.   .... good post.

jeff belonger

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Jeff -  nice post and very true. I can tell you this as well. I act as a broker and not a lender. I also have an investor that underwrites to FHA standards. I had a purchase loan with scores in the 400's that closed last week. FHA loans were designed to be underwritten to guidelines similar to how I was taught how to identify a loan 15 + years ago.

#1 - would i loan my money to this client?

#2 - is there a benefit to the borrower?

now can some of you guys read this post  http://activerain.com/blogsview/593312/All-News-is-not  and help me out here? All who have made a comment on this post are AR vets and I would love to see your comments on the above post.

 

5:14am • #8

Jeff,

 

I am with you and thanks for the advice, I have made this a public post.   I do not entirely disagree with you as far as the ability to get a couple of investors to still purchase these files.  With the trends in the current mortgage market and the liquidity trends in the secondary markets, I think that structuring a business model around manual underwriting business is risky at best and probably closer to dangerous for real.   I think that these manual underwrite markets have a short life expectancy. 

The trend in underwriting is to get back to "To The Letter" underwriting and away from "Common Sense" Underwriting.  The driving factors that are causing this trend are well beyond the control of us on the originating front.   The major factor that is playing into this is the secondary market.   Brokers and correspondant lenders (those that are commonly referred to as pass through lenders, they are the "lenders" that underwirte to a specific lenders guidelines and then close in their own name and "sell" the loan within the month to clear the warehouse lending lines)  can not offer and close on products that there is no secondary market for.   If investors are not willing to take the risk and put their money up, then it is not going to matter what the FHA guidelines are, the products simply will not be offered by lenders.  

 It no longer matters what the guidelines say, it is the appetite of the investors that control the products that are offered.   They have lost their appetite for bad credit loans.   There are a few stragglers that are still willing to take the risk, but with the recent fall of Indy Mac, Fannie and Freddie issues,  the savings bank runs and FDIC takeovers driving confidence down, I am predicting that risk adverse appetite will dissapear all together.  

 

Jeff, you are an EXTREMELY experienced FHA guy and I truly respect your view on this.  Yes if you can squeeze 5 more deals a month out of these lenders, then the smart money is on doing it.  I am certain by your position that this is not the bulk of your business, it is icing on the cake so to speak, and for the record, I will push to get those done as well.   Maunal underwrite loans require patience, knowledge, experience and finess.  

The email that you were reading above is directed to a loan officer in my employ who has built an entire business around these loans.   This particular loan officer does not have the FHA experience or the patience to understand the true nature of how to get them done nor the value in building a diverse book of business.   My advice to them is the same as to anyone.   If you build your business around these loans, you will be out of business. 

Thanks again for your input, I appreciate the value in your experience and knowledge.   It is kind of like a professional stunt man, the disclaimer should always be "Please don't try this at home"  :)  lol.

I am sure that I will be talking with you again soon on this. 

Thanks again for the input.

11:44am • #9

Lewis,

Thanks as always for stopping by.   I enjoy your views.   The syle of underwriting that you are refering to is more of a "Common Sense" approach, which as I address in my response to Jeff, I fear is being phased out for more of a "To The Letter" style of underwriting.   Close the loans while you can, that is all any of us can do.  Thanks again. 

12:40pm • #10

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