Special offer

Aborting the California Dream: An American Corporate Hero Goes Home

By
Mortgage and Lending with Platinum Home Mortgage Company NMLS #238304

As the vice president of a major corporation, he had been thrilled when he was transferred from St. Louis to the San Francisco Bay Area.

Yesterday, after nearly a year of cross country commuting, his St. Louis house still not sold, and his California mortgage still not solidified, he threw in the towel.

He will be taking a position in Kansas City, and abandoning the plan of moving to California.

This is the story of how difficult it is to move down in lifestyle for the sake of owning California real estate. It is a story that every California Realtor understands.

It is a story made all the more difficult as a result of the mortgage crisis, and the outdated concept of corporate relocations.

TIM'S STORY

He was somewhat immune to "sticker shock" because they had lived in California some 15 years ago. Still, he was thrilled to be coming home, and had requested the transfer. He claimed his company policy dictated that California relocations only come from within California.

Now he knows why.

In St. Louis, his $650,000 house had 6,000 square feet, a swimming pool, and an acre of manicured lawn. He decided on a similar neighborhood here (Danville, California) where a 2400 square foot 60 year old ho hum rancher is 1.2 million, minus one half acre, scratch the pool.

His equity would barely be enough to cover a 20% down payment, his wife would need to work, but hey, they were back in California, right?

Although his relocation benefits were generous, the package was out-dated and designed for a different kind of mortgage lending environment. But that was not the worst of it.  I was stunned to realize the benefits (worth about $30,000) would only be paid out IF HE OBTAINED HIS MORTGAGE DIRECTLY THROUGH ONE OF 2 NAMED BANKS.

No mortgage brokers allowed. He was shocked, and refused to believe me.

I sent him away, with fine print highlighted in yellow. His office confirmed what I had discovered.

REJECTED

Neither of the 2 banks would qualify him, however, with his 6 figure income, his 785 score, and impressive job. Reason: 40% of his income would be coming from a once a year bonus, which would be paid out August 1, 2008. Within a month, he was back in my office.

He took it personally and it ate at him.  Like so many others (who were protected by stated income loans and generous guidelines),  he had never been turned down for a mortgage in his life.

In the past, these little roadblocks were always covered by stated income loans, I told him. Banks don't want jumbo money loans, I told him. Maybe your wife WILL be working, but they can't count the income now.. This isn't about YOU. It is about the state of the mortgage industry. (A little speech I have memorized by now).

UNSETTLED IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE

Eventually, he agreed to a lower priced home, and with my help negotiated a cash settlement for his benefits (in doing so, he lost about $10,000). On the other end, he continued to lower the price of his home that stubbornly would not sell.

He was becoming tired and worn down. The allure of a California lifestyle faded as the months passed, and things just would not jell on this end, or sell on the other end.

Two Realtors, one mortgage broker, a lonely wife, and one corporate American hero, wearily flying home every weekend to see the kids and hang out in the big beautiful house that no one would buy. Then back to California to look at the tired old houses that only 60% of his income would qualify him to buy. In between, the stress of a new job.

This was his life, for almost a year.

THE BOSS STEPS IN WITH A WILD CARD

In the end, his boss demanded that he rent a house in California and reunite his family. The company offered to continue to pay the mortgage on the St. Louis house. I reassured him that once the bonus was paid out, he could buy a better house, and that date was right around the corner.

The boss offered one other option. a wild card. An opening in Kansas City. It only took one weekend of soul searching (in the big house, while floating in the pool) to decide to abort the California dream. In Kansas City, he could get an even BETTER house than the one for sale, and be 3 hours away from his old location.

FOR RICHER, FOR POORER

There is a saying here in California. Be careful when you sell your real estate and move out of state. You WILL instantly become real estate rich, no doubt. But if you ever want to move back?

Getting back in is harder than you think.

Although losing a loan is never easy, I think Tim would agree, he is finally going home.

 


Written by Janet Guilbault, Mortgage Lending Expert Based Out of the San Francisco Bay Area

 

 

 

 

Alan 'AJ' Nisen California Contra Costa Mortgage Officer
A Large Bank in America - Lafayette, CA

Janet, interesting times.  I just lost a relo deal because our bank would not accept either part ownership by his company or funds by the company (there had to be an existing plan in place for all similar employees).  One of the other banks accepted the terms.  Guidelines are tightening and starting to choke what is left of the market. PS. good post.  AJ

Jul 10, 2008 04:53 AM
Charlottesville Solutions
Charlottesville Solutions - Charlottesville, VA

I totally understand! I did the reverse, moved from the Bay Area to Virginia and have never been happier!!!

Your friend in Charlottesville!

Jul 10, 2008 05:07 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Hey AJ, all the media attention is on those Brentwood houses and those foreclosures in the $200k range. So little is written about how guidelines have impacted the other end of the market.

Our office actually had a good month in June. But not one mortgage over $729k. Shall I assume you are getting those loans?

Jul 10, 2008 05:11 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Hi Charles: I have moved out of Calif too to chase my husbands corporate career. It is why I can relate to this story. However, my wise father advised me not to sell my real estate.

Thank goodness. That was good advice.

Jul 10, 2008 05:12 AM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

Janet, this story is kinda sad.  Even though this family was wealthy they were still affected by today's economy.  It's impossible to predict how bad things are going to become.

Jul 10, 2008 01:11 PM
Lewis Poretz
Apex Home Loans - Annapolis, MD
Business Development Manager

Great post!  soo true....

Charles -  good ole C Ville...  i was on the seven year plan at UVA  havent been back in years but it was an awesome tonw then andi am sure it still is....

Janet - my shop is having a great July...  go figure      Last Man Standing people...   the world could be our oyster...    cut expenses, hang on and reap the benefits...

Jul 10, 2008 04:18 PM
Dean Guadagni
Inner Architect - San Rafael, CA

Janet,

Getting back into California is hard if you are trying to unload real estate in an undesirable part of the country.

The biggest obstacle is often the people's attitude about what they "deserve" to get and what they "expect" when they are looking to come back.

It's no secret you get more house and land for your money in many parts of the US.

The secret that many across the country don't get is the massive equity, retirement account your home can become if you buy in the right area in California. My best friend's property has tripled in value since 1997 and that is a current market downturn figure.

dean

Jul 11, 2008 07:45 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

First...Dean, St. Louis ISN'T an "undesirable part of the US".  While we're having our real estate problems too, the area is continuing to grow.  We're also getting a lot of interest from more expensive parts of the country (mostly the East Coast Cities) because our wages are only a little bit less and the cost of living is a lot lower!

I feel for this guy.  Kansas City is a neat city though and I'm sure that he'll enjoy it!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc.

Jul 11, 2008 01:55 PM
Dean Guadagni
Inner Architect - San Rafael, CA

Hey Bob, I wasn't referring to St. Louis in my comments. I apologize if you were offended but my comment about "undesireable part of the US" had nothing to do with St. Louis.

My parents live in a suburb of Chicago and I have visited and enjoyed St. Louis especially a Cardinals game. As a baseball fan, it is the mecca for that sport.

My thoughts on undesireable were referencing a few areas I lived in in a past life--better that they go unnamed as I never meant to offend anyone.

I hope this explains where I was coming from on my comment.

dean

Jul 11, 2008 04:03 PM
Roxanne Schilling
Coldwell Banker Lake Tulloch - Copperopolis, CA

There are soo many scenarios out there of people going through hard times for many different reasons.  If you think your problem is bad....look around and console someone whose hardship is even greater.  Right now we should come together and offer what we can to those around us.  It will make us feel better about ourselves.  If we loose sight of that, we definitely loose.  Instead of contemplating of how bad things are, let's take some time in each and every day to appreciate any good.  Sometimes we get so wrapped up in the bad, we overlook the really small things that really mean a lot. 

Roxanne Schilling, Realtor at Lake Tulloch

Jul 12, 2008 12:00 PM