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Buying a Condo. Sometimes a Surprise.

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408

Condo buyers fall into two groups: those who lived in the condo before and those who haven't.

And though people who have experience living in a condo and in high-rise buildings often forget that when they are buying a condominium, this is always more then just their unit. I am not referring here to the legal side, where, besides the unit itself, you are getting "an undivided interest in common elements", meaning that your monthly association fee covers elevators, landscaping, pool, gates, security, etc.

What I mean here is that any building has some mechanical equipment, which is necessary for operation of the building.

We recently sold a high end unit in one of the best condo buildings in the area - Bella Vista. Gorgeous unit, terrific view of the ocean, the balcony the size of a small 2 bdr. unit in some older condo building in the area (and this is only 1 of 3 balconies)... Terrific buy. No questions about it.

The buyer closed, moved in, and soon learned that the emergency power generator is right under their unit. When they were turning it on as required for the check-up, the walls started slightly shaking, and the glasses and Chrystal on the shelves were "dancing". The noise was so loud that they had to wait for it to shut down, so that they could hear each other. And that generator was right under their second floor unit. You could feel vibration of the walls.

They turned to the developer, and the developer tried his best to tame the monster. They ordered special insulation pieces, that they put the machine on to separate it form the concrete floor, they build the insulation hood over it, and I do not know what else they did to it, and they were able to get it under  control. It is now quite tolerable, even though you can still hear it.

The bigger problem is a fire pump. Which, as luck would have it, is just under their living room. According to the fire Marshall, they have to test it for 30 minutes every week, and this is like being right next to the steamer, when it blows the horn. Not only its piercing sound gets everyone in the building, it scares guests in the next door hotel, who run out to find out what is happening.

This thing turned out practically impossible to tame. They are still trying to resolve the issue, but unlike the generator, it takes much longer, and meanwhile my clients are very frustrated.

I myself live in a condo. We have the generator as well, and when it is on every Tuesday in the morning, we hear it very well, even louder than in my client's condo. But we hardly notice it. We also have a fire pump, and, of course, they test it here as well. And yes, it is very noisy, and still we do hardly notice it. Besides, we understand that they are safety issues, and we have to accept the inconvenience in return for safety.

It is not the noise, it is the expectations. My clients lived in a house in a quiet gated subdivision. Of course, they did not have any of that. When they bought this high end condo right on the ocean, they wanted the upgrade, which is the ocean and living in the city. However, they did not expect that the change comes with noises and inconveniences of living in a relatively large building.

I feel bad for them, and I learned my lesson. I will always warn my buyers that there are noises like that.

If you are thinking of buying a condo in Daytona Beach area from Ormond Beach in the North to Ponce Inlet in the South, contact me on my mobile: 386-405-4408


Jon Zolsky, Your Daytona Beach connection
www.AtlanticCondos.com

Comments (7)

Virginia Hepp - Mesquite NV REALTOR
Desert Gold Realty - Mesquite NV Homes For Sale - Mesquite, NV
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Jon - I always tell them to be prepared - it is kind of like living in an apartment.  You have more neighbors than in your single family home neighborhood, too, and you may not like who is close by.

Jul 22, 2008 06:04 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Virginia - In our very strange market new condo buildings stay virtually empty. The condo that I was describing is a 100 unit condo. If I am not mistaken, there are only 12 units that are occupied.

When I go home from the office, it is a very simple drive. Our office is in the oceanfront condo-hotel on Atlantic Ave, and I live on the same avenue, but just 9 miles south. So, I am driving past that row of condos every evening, and quite late.

In 100 units condo buildings I count 3 light windows on one side and 3 on the other. And this is so common. I went to South Florida, and I was stunned when I drove from Hollandale to Miami in the evening. THere were lights in practically every window. Life was everywhere. We are like a dead place.

The condo I live it, there are 7 units on our floor in our wing. 2 units are occupied (including ours).

This, of course, will change when the market starts warming up.

And when it does, they will also have to deal with neighbors. Now there are 4 floors above them that are empty. Not that much of a problem at this time.

Jul 22, 2008 06:23 PM
Virginia Hepp - Mesquite NV REALTOR
Desert Gold Realty - Mesquite NV Homes For Sale - Mesquite, NV
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Jon - We are in a very slow time as well.  Not just the usual slowdown of summer.  Our usual market starts up in Nov and is dead by June.  This is a tourist community - the oasis in the desert - the price of gas has had a huge toll on the 4 casinos.  Much of their day to day business is from St George Utah - 40 miles away.  The gas is cutting into their gambling money.  The snowbirds will be back in Nov - the ones that stay for the winter in their 2nd homes.  But the day trippers and the weekenders won't come as often.  The golf courses are always slow in the summer - 110 degrees and up - and you could always play at a discounted rate.

But our condos are the best selling thing right now, actually all year.  Pulte Del Webb came in, built a bunch of single family homes, then cut their prices by 15-20 %.  They are selling, too.  The other builders are smaller and cannot afford to cut prices as much, so new building is way down.  We have decent condos for 120K and up.  Single family homes 200K and up.

I see the 'vacancy' in the bare lots standing all over town.

Jul 22, 2008 07:26 PM
Stephen D White, E-Pro, ABR Cape Cod Real Estate
SDW Realty of Cape Cod - Falmouth, MA

Jon was the noise disclosed to your buyers by you or the seller? If I were them and it wasnt disclosed I would be mad. They could have legal right to sue? Of course if it were disclosed they probably wouldnt have bought the condo right? Or if it was could they have gotten a better deal?

Jul 23, 2008 02:01 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Stephen - I am a bit surprised. No, we did not disclose it. It is not the unit, it is the equipment in the building. It is not that you hear the pump only from the second floor. When it is tested, you would hear it on every floor. When the compressor is running and the walls slightly vibrate, they vibrate in the whole building, maybe more on their side, but the same on the 3,4,5,6,7,8 9,10 and 11th floors.

Again, it is not the equipment, it is not the noise, it is the expectations. It is the lesson to me, as an agent, that I need to ask people if they understand that there is a difference between being in SFH or in a condo.

And noise is just one factor. Another one is neighbors, visitors, manager-idiot, stupid maintenance guy... there are tons of things that can aggravate a condo owner, and which are missing in a single family home.

As I told you, I would not even have noticed it at all. I asked other people, and they did not notice it.

Demanding turning off the fire safety equipment is not an option.

I have people who complained that the fire truck waked them in the middle of the night with its siren. What you are going to do? Not allow firefighter do their work? Should it be disclosed that there may interruptions in power supply, and then the generator kicks in and may wake you up in the middle of the night? Yes, it happens once a year or more. The unit is OK, there is nothing wrong with the unit. There is a problem living in a condo setting and in a city setting. I am a condo person, I accept these things as part of living in a condo, and I do not take them to heart. The problem is with single family home type people.

Should we have warned the buyers? I think yes. Are we and the developer liable for that?

Jul 23, 2008 03:12 AM
Stephen D White, E-Pro, ABR Cape Cod Real Estate
SDW Realty of Cape Cod - Falmouth, MA

Jon so it sounds like you knew about it (when did u know about it? before or after the sale?) and didnt tell your buyers or ask the seller about it?

Jul 23, 2008 05:05 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Stephen - Well, as I said, I live in a condo, and, yes I know that in every building there is a generator and a fire pump. Do I have to know about those? No. I am sure I do not know all the equipment in the condo building, but this has nothing to do with the unit.

I actually did not hear their pump myself. They are saying that the inspector told them that the noise level from the pump was exceeding allowable levels, but the developer claims that there is nothing wrong with the equipment, that it is in compliance with all the codes, and offers the owners to leave for just half an hour once a week.

Did I know where the generator is? No. As well as where the pump is. I actually do not know where they are in any other of many condo buildings in the area.

 

Jul 23, 2008 02:50 PM