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Home Inspector with H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties)

New to this area, is point of sale inspections, which are mandated inspections by the city (or county in this case) to have certain items inspected, and signed off on before a sales transaction of real estate can be transfered.

Summit County has just enacted the following legislation:

MANDATORY POINT OF SALE INSPECTIONS TO BEGIN SEPTEMBER 1 IN SUMMIT COUNTY - Effective
September 1, 2008, any 1, 2, or 3 family dwelling within Summit County General
Health District (SCGHD) served by a household sewage treatment system and/or
a private water system, must have an inspection on each system before the property
can transfer ownership.  This requirement excludes the cities of Akron, Barberton,
and Norton as they have their own Health Departments.  Homes with a septic system
must have a service provider, registered with SCGHD, or a SCGHD sanitarian conduct
the evaluation prior to transfer.   Inspections on private water systems must
be conducted by a private water system contractor, registered with the Ohio Department
of Health, or a SCGHD sanitarian. 

This one is apparently just for well and septic. Other communities in this area have adopted very strict "point of sale" inspection standards for the whole house, and especially with emphasis on exterior items, and in some cases, even mechanical systems.

Have any of you had much experience with these point of sale inspection communities? It seems some of the communities have adopted rather strict standards, for example Broadview Heights just made a friend of mine replace his concrete driveway because it had a few cracks, and some minor surface erosion, which by most other standards would have been considered normal wear, and acceptible/serviceable, which is what I put on his report, mentioning the cracks and surface wear, only to be shot down by the city inspector, who insisted that the drive be replaced. Is this a case of a community with too much power?

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Randy L. Prothero
eXp Realty - Hollister, MO
Missouri REALTOR, (808) 384-5645

Sounds like that inspector is cracked.  I bet they go crazy if they see a tear in a screen.

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Jul 23, 2008 09:21 PM
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Kevin Corsa
H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties) - Canton, OH
H.I.S. Home Inspections, Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector

The thing is I think they use different standards for different neighborhoods, and it's difficult to guess what they might do.

Jul 23, 2008 09:44 PM
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections - Houston, TX

Kevin, there is a growing trend in some communities to meet certain standards in their homes appearance, but I have not seen inspector invovled in this process. The interesting thing is that most of these neighborhoods adopt rules which go against building codes in some really stupid ways.

As for point of sale of specific systems, I have seen this trend becoming more common for rental properties in several areas around the country, but for residential I have codes set to start on September 1 of this year in some parts of the country (mainly news from Texas and Ohio, but I think Missouri has a new one too). These have been a boon for home inspectors and can be good for the consumer. My worry is that some inspectors who are unfamiliar with certain systems will just go in to do inspections for the money. For example, I have only inspected one septic system for a client and one to check it out. I did not charge the client, because I made it clear that I may know the parts, I just do not have the experience to claim a good knowledge.  I know some inspectors who have not been so forthright (but these are few).

Jul 23, 2008 10:57 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Kevin,

They adapted the mandatory septic inspection here about a year and a half ago. Now they are backing off, due to complaints, and deciding that certain septic inspections can be done by the home owner.

Jul 24, 2008 02:43 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Kevin, here, you just have to be able to document that the septic system has been pumped within two years (show pumping certificate).

Jul 24, 2008 04:19 AM
TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

Kevin, We do have communities in our area that are still on septic systems, but to date, no manditory inspections of such systems. Most are done on a voluntary basis as part of the sales transaction...

Jul 24, 2008 09:52 PM
Kevin Corsa
H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties) - Canton, OH
H.I.S. Home Inspections, Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector

Yesterday was the first day of the mandatory inspections here, and I have heard from several inspectors already complaining about the way it is being handled. Looks like we are in for some fun and games for a while.

Jul 24, 2008 11:25 PM
Carl Winters
Canyon Lake, TX

Kevin - We also have some changes coming down the tube over here in Texas. I think these changes are happening everywhere. I know our county just put on a couple extra inspectors, an extra for septic installation and another to check roadway access. They are charging fees for everything, it is a way for the county to make money. But in both cases I think this is good for the septic and roadway access. Some septic installers need to be checked and of course (as I just experienced with putting in a new driveway, roadway access) needs to be monitored. Some fly-by-nights try to cut corners.

It all goes back to accountability. I do believe it should be the same in each state, whatever guidelines they adopt.

Jul 26, 2008 02:45 AM
Jacques Mountain
Dream Home Inspections/203K Consultant - Fayetteville, GA
Inspector/203K Consultant

Just make the most of it!

Sep 14, 2008 12:49 PM
Roy A. Peterson
Domicile Analysis of Texas - El Paso, TX
P.R.E.I.

Same thing applies here in El Paso as in Nashville as Micheal said. No change yet.~Newbie

 

                                                                                   

Sep 14, 2008 02:24 PM
Eric Van De Ven
Magnum Inspections Inc - Palm City, FL

Kevin,

I have heard of some mortgage companies requesting septic/water tests here in South Florida. As of yet, it isn't mandatory.

Sep 18, 2008 12:02 AM
Anonymous
Donald

The worst thing a community can do is require mandatory city inspections at the time of sale. If you want housing values to decrease even further then by by all means adopt such a mandatory ordinance. Here in Michigan, which has the largest number of city resale inspection programs in the country, the meager sales prices are hammered even more by the misguided requirements that make sure a house is "up to code" before it can be sold. A local government has no business holding a house sale hostage before "allowing" a sale.

It's highly likely that such ordinances run afoul of the constitutional prohibition against unreasonable searches. Cities DO have the right to enforce building codes when a house is built or when code violations are brought to their attention. They DON'T have a right to unreasonably restrain trade between private parties and believe me, most of these inspection programs are very unreasonable. Local realtor groups should be vehemently opposed to any such schemes.

 

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