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Pelosi to shut down Congress to avoid energy vote

Pelosi She promised us she would reduce gas prices. She lied. She promised us Congress would work harder. She lied. She promised she would not play politics with people's lives. She lied again.

And now Speaker Nancy Pelosi is so certain that she would lose an up or down vote on drilling off our coasts that she will shut down Congress early to avoid that vote.

This from The Wall Street Journal:

Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and other liberal leaders on Capitol Hill are gripped by cold-sweat terror. If they permit a vote on offshore drilling, they know they will lose when Blue Dogs and oil-patch Democrats defect to the GOP position of increasing domestic energy production. So the last failsafe is to shut down Congress.

Majority Leader Reid has decided that deliberation is too taxing for "the world's greatest deliberative body." This week he cut off serious energy amendments to his antispeculation bill. Then Senate Appropriations baron Robert Byrd abruptly canceled a bill markup planned for today where Republicans intended to press the issue. Mr. Byrd's counterpart in the House, David Obey, is enforcing a similar lockdown. Speaker Pelosi says she won't allow even a debate before Congress's August recess begins in eight days.

And this from The Heritage Foundation, quoting the New York Times.

House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey abruptly shut down his committee indefinitely rather than allow Republicans to offer an amendment to open more areas to drilling for new sources of oil and natural gas. Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid concur. According to the New York Times, she and Reid "appear intent on holding the line against calls to approve drilling in areas now off limits."

Obey fears that the amendment, by drilling advocate Rep. John Peterson (R., Penn.), would win. As many as eight of the committee's Democrats have supported similar amendments in the past, while only a couple of the committee's Republicans (who represent well-heeled suburban districts) have stood with the environmental lobby.

So let's look at the facts. The President now is in favor of us drilling (and that decision took WAY too long); Members of Congress are apparently in favor of us drilling; according to every poll out there, the American people are in favor of us drilling - but the dog and pony show that is Nancy and Harry don't want us to drill and so they are abusing their power to prevent a vote they know they would lose.

Disgraceful!

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Posted by Simon Conway on 07/26/2008 07:21 PM

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74 Comments on Pelosi to shut down Congress to avoid energy vote

JUL

2008

Hi Simon, When we already have several hundred thousand acres of oil leases which have not been used why do we need more other than to give big oil additional rewards ?

Personally, I'll have to see off-shore drilling reduce the price of gasoline to believe it. I'm all for the drilling but am not convinced it will help our high gas prices. Why? Because we currently have lots of US companies that drill oil. From what I know they all use the OPEC's cost of oil as their basis. There isn't an issue with supply and demand right now. It's about the dollar being so low and speculation. If OPEC's high prices don't change our gasoline prices won't change and I don't believe more supply here in the US will fix that.

Both Bills - actually there is a supply and demand problem, but you are correct about speculation. But you know what would have the speculators running scared? - MORE SUPPLY!

As for the existing leases, some are still not economical to drill and most of the others are tied up in law suits and environmentalist action. You need to understand what is going on here.

Having said all of that, NONE OF IT should excuse the abuse of power that is taking place here.

God forbid this Congress actually does anything that may help the citizens they claim to represent. Nancy's face in the photo you posted says it all. She's not in her position to be a public servant, she's in it for the power and to impose her will upon the people. Keep up the good work Simon - exposing these phonies for who they are.

Simon - I have two potential comments here (choose one):

Nancy Pelosi is a handsome woman.

Is she a wax figurine? That photo scared me.

Jim - the only thing we have is to hold their feet to the flames and hope the public wakes up in November.

Jason - that's the real deal unfortuantelty. You see the lust for power in her face.

She shut down Congress to avoid helping the citizens of the United States. Is this the change we were looking for? Liberals know nothing but tax and spend.

Simon ~ Love the photo of the most beloved woman in the United States.

Simon, The Republicans should call for a start to impeachment hearings immediately.This is a disgrace, the only good that can come out of it is if it hurts Obama

I'm not sure it hurts Obama Hugh - so few people are talking about it.

Simon - this is a similar tactic that Pelosi used in 2006, threatening any democrat congress person that tried to do anything, get any legislation passed, that might in any way help the administration or reflect well on republicans. She only cares about power, not what is good for the country, not what people want.

Mike - in a nutshell!

Jason,

My thoughts exactly...she reminds me of a mean scence teacher I had in 7th grade.

Simon, These "leaders?" will let Americans suffer. They don't care.

Simon

I have to say nothing suprises me about what our Leaders have promised us. Our President have made some wrong decisions, however it may look wrong to the American poeple because we are not previy to all His information inwhich he makes his decisons.. A far as Nancy I couldn't stand her when she was put in her postions and I didn't believe anything that came out of her mouth. As far as the oil goes who knows when the crises will go away or if the prices will just go up.... Thanks for your blog... I totally agree with it....

Simon- Gret NOW I cant sleep, did you notice that the dems tried to take credit for the lower gas prices last week?

By the looks of the photo she has been hanging out with Michael Jackson for too long.

JUL

2008

Simon, YIKES !!!!! That photo is awful and I'm sure its one of her best. You could peel that make up off with a paint scrapper. At least her photo matches her personality. B-itch. Can't say anything good about her cause I've never seen (or heard) of any good she has done. Gas is down to $3.74 here. Big deal!!! We need to drill. NJ

JUL

2008

Simon: They've (US oil companies) have thousands of acres to drill, that they are not using. Why give them more?And it won't help energy costs. Think of the set up fees to even start drilling. That's one of the prime excuses I've heard bandied about as to why they don't drill in the offshore areas they are currently leasing. It's a mental, feel good, do nothing, vote...just like the housing rescue bill.

When you really parse through the latter, that rescue helps no one. FHA gets a prepayment penalty no matter what. They get a share in homeowners equity that they rescue. The original loan must be okayed to refi short. Oh....and any home equity must be paid off by the owner of the home before a refi can happen. That helps no one in trouble that I am meeting. And what first time homeowner do you know that a $7,500 tax credit will really help? There is a limit to what a person can claim. First time homeowners may see $1,000 of it when it comes tax time. Big gestures. Little substance. That's politics!

To all of the Pelosi defenders: Why not just let the House and Senate vote? Lets just see what will happen if the bill gets approved. Pelosi is from a very liberal anti-American district. The majority of Americans are not anti-American, but rather pro-America. This tactic will probably help the Dems in November. HaHa.

Simon if you want to tlak about liars, lets start with the President. And I don't just mean the Weapons of Mass Destruction crap that has taken us away from finding Bin Laden and burying the US economy. Someone mentioned impeachment and I couldn't agree more. The target of this impeachment is GW Bush.

Remember his slogan "I'm a uniter, not a divider" best lie since "Read my lips, no new taxes"

John,

Well then call your Congressman and get them started on the imeachment thing. Put your money where your mouth is. And make sure to let your clients know where you stand on things.

Chris: You are right. There are millions of acres that are not being drilled on that the oil companies already have leases too. Why aren't they drilling there? And why are the oil companies exporting millions of gallons when it can be used here?

Kevin: I hope that John does let his clients know where he stands on things. He will probably get a ton of business! I know I have.

Kevin, Believe me, everyone who knows me, knows were I stand. Sorry that you still believe the lies your party tells you!

Scott, Thank you, your right, my clients agree with us, and continually offer me their support!

Cheri, Scott and John - first of all none of you seem to have a problem with the abuse of power going on here. Read the following (if you have the guts to) and you will understand the problem with existing leases.

Transcript from Glenn Beck on CNN.

BECK: Ok, the leases that they have been given, you mean the ones they`ve bought? Perhaps you should consider hiring a research, senator before you use this excuses in public. Yes, oil companies do have millions of acres leased from the government, but the real story is the vast majority of those acres are likely worthless.

And the ones that aren`t are wrapped up in special interest tape, and you know it, senator. Leasing land is great, but you can`t just drop a drill bit anywhere in the ground or just say, look. I mean the days of the Beverly Hillbilly`s are over.

You have to survey the land, you have to explore it, and it all costs money, which by the way, the government is trying to take away through your cute little windfall profits tax; an idiotic idea that would reduce exploration even further.

Here is the key difference between Harry Reid`s land and the outer- continental shelf. Some has oil. The other does have oil and gas. We know it does. But even when oil companies do strike gold on land that they`ve leased, they`re still not always allowed to exploit it.

Listen to this one, in 1984, Chevron leased the Destin Dome. Ok, this is a geological formation in the Gulf of Mexico. They leased it from the federal government. Now, over the next ten years, Chevron invested in exploring the Dome, and they found an estimated 2.6 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

That is enough by the way, to supply a million homes for the next 30 years. But to get the gas, Chevron needed more state and federal approvals. Their land lease, it only allowed them to drill, not to actually take the gas out of the ground. How stupid are these leases?

So in 1996, they applied for approval. Tick-tock, tick-tock, no response. Two years. Florida finally decided, yes, we`ll answer. Application rejected.

Chevron appealed. Two more years went by. No answer.

Chevron had to sue, and that`s when they finally got their final answer, the government has decided to buy back the land and put a new moratorium on drilling at Destin Dome.

By the way, that last one was a present from George W. Bush. So Harry, I`m pretty sure that the oil companies would just love to drill on the land that they already have, but you have to give them land that actually contains some oil and some gas, and then, here`s a key point, you have to get the hell out of the way and actually let them bring that oil and that gas out of the ground and to the market.

Max Schulz is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute Center for Energy Policy and the Environment. Where do I have this one wrong, Max?

MAX SCHULZ, MANHATTAN INSTITUTE`S CENTER FOR ENERGY POLICY: Glenn, I don`t think you have it wrong at all, I think you have it entirely right. Someone who is very cynical about the motivations of politicians might say that Harry Reid and his colleagues are engaging in some gross demagoguery. But I`m going to be charitable and say that he just passes basics wrong about how this lease work about economics.

BECK: You know what Max, I`m not going to give this to the Democrats or the Republicans anymore. I`m a recovering alcoholic, former DJ, a self- educated man, and I can figure this out. Somebody who`s running this damn country cannot figure this out? And there`s no excuse.

SCHULZ: It really is very sad, I mean but I will say that if this is the best argument that opponents of drilling can come up with, it`s a very, very weak one. It only took a sentence for Harry Reid to explain what his opposition was that these companies aren`t drilling on the leases that they`ve been given.

And there are a number of fallacies involved there. For one thing, they haven`t been given this land. As you pointed out these oil companies spend billions of dollars to buy leases. And when you buy a lease, you`re not buying any sort of guarantee that there`s oil and gas underneath them. All you`re buying is a lottery ticket.

In fact it is more high stake gamble than that because these companies have to invest billions of dollars into determining whether there`s any oil and gas in them in the first place, and then they have to go through the permitting approval, go through the environmental processes, to see whether it`s going to be possible to extract these resources and get them to the market.

It`s very time consuming, it costs a lot of money, and a lot of times these leases don`t have anything in them. If the company isn`t drilling in a lease it`s not because they`re just sitting on it, it`s because they found that they can`t make any money off of it.

BECK: Ok, I`d like to know, is there any example of any country, let`s say Russia, with gas problem -- is there any example of any country that is not obstructionist, doesn`t have an obstructionist government that has an oil company where they just sit on gas and oil to make the prices go up?

If they have the land and they have the right to drill, do they pump it out? Is this a uniquely American problem?

SCHULZ: Well, I mean in most other countries where they have big -- you know, big oil companies, they`re government-owned, and the governments are often in the business of trying to maximize their profits. So they`re going to exploit the resources if they have them.

In the United States, our companies are privately-owned and they have to put up with all sorts of obstacles and obstructions that our policymakers both on the state and the federal levels throw at them. It`s an odd situation.

BECK: It kills me, Max. I mean it doesn`t make any sense. For what people are expected to believe, that big oil controls everything, big oil is really running the show, yet big oil has to spend ten years fighting for a lease that they can`t get.

SCHULZ: Well, they have to fight for these leases and then they go before the various regulatory bodies and (inaudible) ask for permits and they beg for permits. They come cap in hand a lot of times. And for the privilege of doing this, they pay a lot of money. And they pay money on these leases whether they produce. And they pay royalties on that oil and gas, but they also pay money on those leases in terms of rents, even if those leases provide nothing.

Simon, being raised in England maybe you need to read our constitution. You know the document that Dick Cheney refuses to obey or believe in!

John - thank you so much for the insult. I have come to expect this from people who disagree with me politically. As for the constitution, I am fully aware of what it says. I am equally aware that being able to do something does not make it right. It is indeed an abuse of power.

Finally you know nothing about me - or very little. If you did, then you would know that I don't give any politician a free pass from any party - frankly they all stink.

I disagree with many on here but it is done with respect on both sides. Considering the tone of your comments, get the heck off my blog and don't come back!

Simon,

The featured section up above is becoming the Ted and Simon show!

Congratulations this post is now featured in Silent Majority of Active Rain.

Darn Simon - I wanted to moderate a constitutional debate between you and John, too late now. I would venture that you are better versed on it than I am and I am better versed than most.

Most importantly....... Good for you, Simon.

I was completely appauled by the comments made to you and was going to respond.

You're a great American! And you understand our contitution at it's greatest level.

As for the blog; it's a total abuse of power! We've come to expect nothing less from Pelosi & Reid.

You know what, though, they, the media, the liberals & of course Obama are so stepping on their own tails right now. The public sees and know's what's going on and the reasons the liberals continue to oppose the real energy solution issues and that's because of their complete over the top vestation in global warming. The public isn't sold on that issue either and that's why 83% or so of the public wants to do ALL that we can do produce Domestic energy.

Harry Reid said that the Democrats were going to win the seats and the election on the back of Iraq. He was wrong then and still wrong now. But the GOP may actually win on the back of the energy issue.

It is astounding to me that the Democrats achieved their majority in 2006 by running more moderate candidates. But as soon as they gained their majority the proceeded to fill every leadership position with the most bizarre caricatures of the radical far left they could find.

I can only hope that somewhere out there in what Rush calls fly over country the public has had enough.

These folks (Pelosi, Reid and Obama) are hijacking the country. The high gas prices are a gift to Candidate McCain because there is no issue on the planet that is as important to everybody that highlights the differences between the candidates, the parties and the agendas.

If our candidates would become aggressive on these issues, the Democrats would go back to their districts in August to be greeted with tar and feathers.

Would someone please nudge Senator McCain to wake up and turn up the volume. (and, by the way, agree to drill in ANWR)

And to Speaker Nancy and Leader Reid - just keep it up until the folks in the white coats come to take you home.

This seems to be a Typical democrap move for power. Pelosi can't stand to see a republican winfall in her demo-lead legislature. I can't believe that this would happen, when off-shore drilling would help everyone out. I wish we could do something about the scum-bums in office now, but we can't...thanks democrats, maybe the country will get its head on straight after a few years of demo-rule...we can only hope.

The democrats know they can't win by telling the truth about what they believe. They run as moderates but as soon as they get in office, they are the liberal marxists we all know and hate.

Nicholas: In Tennessee they murder liberals....in church. Nice isn't it? I believe most of you conservatives have it all wrong. Pelosi and Reid and the other wankers who ran as moderates turned RIGHT, not left, and continue to do nothing. Obviously none of you check out the many liberal blogs on the internet. You would see the extremely high contempt that we have for them. Trust me, we don't like them either.

We all know that the price of oil is going to drop heading into November. Big Oil supports the right wing conservative agenda. This will be their gift to John McSame.

Nancy says she is "just trying to save the planet" according to an interview posted on Politico. Obama, Nancy, Harry and the rest of the Democrats do not want lower gas prices!! Obama pretty much said so himself a month ago when asked. He said it was not the $4 a gal that bothered him, it was the speed at which it reached that price. They do not not want more oil, they want no oil... it doesn't matter that there is no subsitute right now or in the near future.

Susan - Nancy is abusing her power because she knows she would lose. It's disgraceful.

JUL

2008

That is a very terrible photo, did this ladies face get burned?

Robert Swetz

Scott Smith ~ You would actually have us to believe that Nacy Pelosi and Harry Reid ran to the right? Are you serious? Do you believe all that ranting on liberal blogs? You are certainly a KOOL - AID drinker to believe that. That is so far from the truth I am even ashamed that you had the nerve to put that in writing.

If you believe Pelosi and Reid moved to the right...there is no hope for you, because you want to believe a lie and frankly there is no hope for you.

Simon I hope you posted this to the photoshop group as an example of the excessive use of the sharpening tool.

Nancy Pelosi never seems to disappoint me. She will do what she must to promote her agenda - not the agenda of Americans!

Aida - so I guess you are ok with our leaders lying to us....

I don't know...I understand that the group id Almost Anything Goes but my Grandmother alwatys told me not to discuss religion or politics in good company, and that picture of Pelosi looks like one of the doctored photos you see displayed on Fox Noise.

I'm just sayin...

No--Simon--I am not ok with anyone lying--I don't like liars! I am just making a point that for you to make such a fuss about this lady---by the way, she is not my leader, doesn't make sense to me.

Make a fuss about those homebuyers and homeowners that have been defrauded! That is my issue with your/this post! No one seems to care about the people who are now in foreclosure because of all the fraudulent activity! Some have gone as far as committing suicide: http://activerain.com/blogsview/607579/Mortgage-Suicide

Why don't you write about that! Take care and God bless!

Simon, why did you mention me here in your response? I never even replied to this....I'm confused. Maybe you meant Chris?

Aida seems confused. Nancy Pelosi is the go to person to get these homeowner issues fixed. Nancy isn't interested in their problems. She's not interested in the American plight which is the root of this blog.

Aida also needs to stop screaming and get rid of that large font. It's offensive.

Simon, that woman is always so scarey looking. I think it is SAD that someone would not know who she is. They obviously haven't been out from under their rock lately. ...and to not CARE who NAncy Pelosi is!?! Very very very bad mistake. She's almost more important than the president and if you don't know who she is then you haven't done the very important homework required to be a responsible voter/citizen.

I'd be willing to bet that if you were to do a competition to see who knew more about the US constitution and it's leaders that Simon would beat 8 out of 10 Americans.

Oh, color me confused. Cheri' states that Pelosi is not interested in the American plight at the root of this blog and Gary seems to know what her agenda is. I have absolutely no clue as to her interets or her agenda, as she certainly isn't speaking for this Democrat.

Could Cheri and Gary please explain Speaker Pelosi's agenda. For extra credit, please explain the differences between her agenda and that of pResident Bush.

Finally, I have to say that I am offended at the really bad photoshop hackjob on her appearance. While I can agree that her facelift is way too tight and I have yet to see her blink, this is in extremely poor taste.

Simon is not responsible for the photo. It is one that has been floating around the internet.

Nancy Pelosi is the top representative of the Democratic party Scott. If she isn't speaking and acting as the Democrats want then what are you going to do about it?

Pelosi's agenda is known only to her. I assure you that she and Bush don't have the same agenda.

Cheri: Sadly, the Speaker is elected by members of Congress. I never wanted her as speaker. I think she has done a miserable job. I have let her know my feelings on a number of topics.

I have some insight into Pelosi's agenda. Pass nothing that will appear to give either Bush or Republicans credibility. She took this stance when she was minority whip, directing democratic congressmembers to basically do nothing and blame the lack of progress on Republicans. She is taking that same stance now, especially with the energy problems we are having.

AUG

2008

Cheri: I am not confused about who Nancy Pelosi is--I just don't care! I didn't vote for her and there are more important issues at this moment to be concerned about, and since the root of the is blog seem to me to be just about Bashing this lady--it didn't make sense to me. It offered no real solutions.

Offering really solutions and help those how need it--that is an American to me! And it's a sad day in America when Americans do not respect their President- Cheri you said: "She's almost more important than the president and if you don't know who she is then you haven't done the very important homework required to be a responsible voter/citizen........Simon would beat 8 out of 10 Americans."

To cast your vote, to bash people, and memorize the Constitution doesn't make you an American! By taking action--and finding solutions--that is an American!

Cheri, if you are so politically inclined why don't you run for office and then you can make real changes. My dear lady--it is you that has it wrong! But you have every right to be wrong--as we live in the greatest country--don't we! An when you run for Office--I'll vote for you or maybe I should run for office and then you can vote for met --maybe I'll give you "cabinet" position. How's that! lol

George Bush has does nothing to command respect. He has made a mockery of the Constitution. He has repeatedly lied to the American people on some many issues. The way in which he bypasses Congress and the Courts is sickening.

The office of the president DOES deserve respect. The right wing despised and disrespected Bill Clinton at EVERY turn. Sucks when it happens to "your" guy, eh?

Aida - clearly you are not a regular visitor to my blog, but that's OK. As for REAL solutions to this problem, I have put them up many times. DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW.

Shut Congress down, that would be good.

Less government is good, gridlock is great.

Bill Clinton should have told Ken Starr to mind his own business.

While I'm not condoning what Clinton got up to in the oval office, it's hardly threatened our national security and international respect in the world the way George Bushes contempt for the law has.

So Stewart, I see you couldn't stay away from my blog. It really helps I find if you read the blog before commenting (no mention of George Bush, Bill Clinton or Ken Starr). Your contribution is both unwelcome and irrelevant (as usual) so in case you missed the message before, stay the heck off of my blog. Thank you.

Yes, Simon you are right---I am not a regular visitor!

and I do agree about drilling now!

I just don't like it when people bash other people--that is not very Christ-like! When Jesus said: before you take the log out of your brother's eye--look to your own---something like that! Anyway, I just thought this was a Christian group---sorry for the misunderstanding. But I will get myself politically better educated, before I make a comment!

I tell everyone--"If the can do a better job, why don't you run for office and fix the problems!" Politics and religion are tough to debate --because everyone's ego gets in the way! Too bad that people can't come together and collectively, in a nonpartisan agenda and look for real solutions that will benefit the American people as a whole!

Aida - I'm not a Christian, so it would be a shock if I were "christ-like"

Aida: You have stepped in the quicksand of the far right on Active Rain. Some Active Rain posters cross post political posts and religious posts. See, to some people, politics and religion have to been entwined. While some bash us liberals for keeping church and state separate, others want to muddy the waters. Theocracy is what some would appear to want. You may have thought you were posting in "Walking the Faith" but it is also cross posted in "Politics" and "Silent 'majority'"

Simon: This was not directed specifically at you, so please don't get all a twitter.

Wow Scott! - you tell the person who brought Christianity into this string that she is stepping into the quicksand of the far right, basically she has stepped into her own quicksand.

You are the only one who has mentioned church in this string and certainly not in any supportive way.

This post has been about a failure refusal to allow a democratic process, a vote, to take place on drilling. Gee, a democrat who doesn't practice democracy. But you do appear to want to divert attention from that with inane comments not pertinent to the discussion.

Mike: If you read Aida's post at 2:30pm (2 posts above mine) you would see that she thought she was posting a previous comment in the "Walking the Faith" group. You have to admit that there are multiple posts that appear in both the political area and the faith-based area. For some people, especially people who are no regular posters, this can be confusing.

I have a very strong faith in a higher power and a strong belief system that keeps my faith and politics separate.

As far as the topic at hand....drill away on the millions of acres that are already leased by Big Oil. They also should stop sending millions of gallons of refined products overseas. Keep it here. And just WHO will pay when the shore gets foulded from a oil leak or a platform that gets destroyed from a hurricane? The taypayers, my friend. ExxonMobil has paid very little for their near destruction of Prince William Sound.
The millions of gallons of oil that were spilled in the Gulf from Katrina and Rita. Not on my coastline, thank you.

Scott - how many shores have been befouled in the last 20 years of hurricanes? Or from leaky platforms? Not too many and not too often. However, if you are worried about off shore, how about oil shale fields, no damage from hurricanes there.

Or, how about ANWR, or NPR #4 (some of those millions of acres where there are leases but no drilling or exploration allowed). The same caribou have thrived around the existing pipeline, as well as other wildlife.

As for Aida's post, there was no intertwining of religion and politics until Aida posted, her mistake which she acknowleged. Yet you could not keep yourself from disparaging remarks about the right and religion, similarly to the ridiculus remark you made about Tennesse above which had nothing to do with the post topic.

AUG

2008

Mike: Disparaging remarks about the right wing and religion. Well boo hoo. Would you like to look back on this thread and all the negative posts about Democrats and liberals? My comment about Tennessee was directed Nick and his hatred of Liberals, which came the day after some right winger attached a church in TN, killing and wounding 9 ALL BECAUSE HE HATED LIBERALS.

I do not hate conservatives. I just think they are wrong.

Scott - is that how you justify your actions and words? They did so I can do it! Very mature thinking.

Nope. Just stating facts.

Scott - no, you are stating opinion, I know that some people have a hard time distinguishing between the two.

AUG

2008

Simon: Found this little nugget from the Coloradoan. Seems the republicans tried twice to shut down Congress EVEN EARLIER as to not have to vote on the Medicare bill. Now, had Congress been shut down then, there would have been no discussion on offshore drilling. And, oil and gas prices could have remained inflated for the remainder of the summer.

Colorado Rep. Marilyn Musgrave is among a small group of House Republicans gathered in Washington this week to protest Congress adjourning without passing energy legislation, but records show she and 11 of the other protesters voted to do exactly that six weeks earlier.

The earlier votes came June 24, at a time when the average national gas price was $4.07 a gallon, or about 20 cents higher than current levels, according to AAA records.

Republicans called for two successive votes to adjourn that morning, but the motions were easily defeated because of almost no Democratic support and the backing of only about a third of the GOP members.

Musgrave spokesman Joe Brettell said the calls for adjournment were a "procedural delaying tactic" meant to protest the Democratic majority's decision not to allow amendments to a Medicare bill scheduled for a vote that day.

Scott - I'm not impressed with anyone in Congress, but can you spot the difference between the two situations?

Simon: I am not impressed either.

Scott - I guess you missed the point that Pelosi would not allow a vote because she knew she would lose.

Simon: There was no vote. We do not know how it would have played out. The pathetic thing is that once again, Congress has let the American people down. We both know, and trust me, we liberals know that Congress has focused on stuff that really has no impact on the daily lives of the citizenry. The worst example, to me, is the entire charade of steroids in baseball and the whole "spygate" in the NFL. I can think of a hundred different issues, causes, etc. that warranted the attention of Congress.

I wish that instead of right vs. left and the constant name calling and disparaging remarks, we can agree that the American people are flapping in the wind while the big monied special interests and lobbyists are controlling Washington, therefore effecting policy and screwing the average American.

Scott - we are fundamentally on the same page. They all suck and we should gather up the pitchforks and head to DC and kick them all out of OUR HOUSE. The only difference I am pointing out to you is that Pelosi used her power to prevent a vote that she knew she would lose - therefore ignoring 70% of the American people.

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2008

Simon: All I can say to that comment is that is what comes with being in power. The republicans were in charge of congress for 6 years and they blocked the democrats at every turn. The democrats were not even able to hold important hearings because the republicans would not let them. Now tell me, is THAT the way we want the government to work?
The republicans gave Bush carte blanc to run all over the Constitution. Remember, there are three branches of goverment.

Simon and Scott,

You both seem to have arrived at the same conclusion coming separately from the right and the left. Congress will not change by electing more Democrats, it will just be more polarized. Until we start electing those who are maverick's like McCain once was, we are only going to get more of the same from Congress. Think about voting against the incumbents this year and see what happens if we get a new House of Representatives (forget the senate, we can't change them in one election). Until you stop supporting the incumbant, you are a part of the problem.

Scott: will you take windmills off of your coast?

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Bill: In a second we will take windmills off the coast. There are three sceduled to go up in the coming year on the land. There has been a proposal to put a wind farm off Cape Cod, but there are some powerful interests on the Cape and Martha's Vineyard that are fighting it.

I have to laugh at the label of "maverick" when it comes to McCain. He may have bucked his party from time to time in the past, but sides with his party 97% of the time.

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