I responded to a buyer's recent post on Sarah Cooper's blog, and decided to post it here. The buyer wrote:

I do not have a problem with paying real eatate agents the commissions they request, but the irritating part is that there are MANY agents out there who have no idea what they are doing!  I recently purchased a home.  At one point the sellers agent told us that the deal was dead and there was nothing that could be done.  I aksed if I could speak directly to the seller and to my surprise I was told yes.  Within 2 days I had a deal worked out that made everyone happy!  Now tell me how am I supposed to be happy about being forced to pay a 6% commission for a sale that I did all the work on???  Oh, and by the way, I am not even an agent!  I have never been certified as an agent, but yet I was able to work a deal better than the idiot who had the propety listed!  It is also very irritating that the general public does not have access to the MLS.  Like it or not, it is possible to sell or buy a house without using an agent.  I am an educated person and I am perfectly capable of looking at comps and detemining what a house is worth.  It is simply not fair to force the public into a situation where they have to pay commissions when there are those who would much rather do it themselves.  The general public shoule be allowed to list their homes for sale on MLS and the general public should be allowed to search for homes on MLS.  Yes, agents are great for those who wish to use them, and the commissions are fair, but not everyone needs their assistance.

This was my response: 

To the buyer who posted their comment above mine:polution

I hear you loud and clear, and I agree with you partially. There are quite a few buyers and sellers who are comfortable doing the work of marketing their home for sale, as well carrying the weight of the work on the buyer's side. However, I don't think that it is a fair assessment to presuppose that the reason sellers and buyers don't choose to represent themselves and work with an agent instead is because they don't have access to the MLS. Even this statement presupposes that:

1) The MLS is a equal-access service that should be available to all, and

2) That buyers/sellers that choose to represent themselves are doing equal work as the agents.

First, take presupposition 1). The MLS evolved to its current state by agents years ago collecting all property data for sale in their office and binding it together in a book. At some point, different entrepreneurial folk noticed the opportunity in alleviating the agents' load by gathering up all property info themselves and distributing it as a book to all local agents via a subscription. The next step was for another group of entrepreneurial folk to realize this "book of listings" would be more efficient if available online to agents, and they went paperless. That said, the MLS exists to serve realtors, not unrepresented buyers and sellers. The MLS is maintained by numerous agents' fees, it is not free to agents. 

2) The second presupposition assumes that unrepresented buyers/sellers do an equal amount of work as an agent. I challenge this view. An unrepresented buyer most oftentimes approaches a listing agent for a property they represent. If somehow they convince the agent to give back the "buyer's agent share" to the buyer, it is not as if the listing agent is not going to be picking up the slack for the work the buyer does not do or is inexperienced in. The unrepresented buyer is "using" the listing agent in this situation. They are forcing the listing agent to represent them as their buyer's agent, without paying just compensation. How? Because the realtor is not paid merely to "sell" a house, they are paid for their vast expertise. They are paid to handle diplomacy between parties with differing interests. The unrepresented Buyer is often not skilled in real estate diplomacy. It can happen that some agents do a bad job, or really drop the ball on delivering excellence, but that is not a defeater of the merits of using an agent; it is merely a red herring (a distracting side point that says nothing about highly skilled realtors, and in fact only reveals inadequate research done on the part of the sellers when they signed up with their less than skilled agent. This doesn't discredit realtors, it discredits the particular sellers.)

Further, when sellers attempt to harness the benefits of the MLS without compensating an agent, they are doing two things:

1) Undermining the very viability of the MLS, which depends on realtor subscription fees for existence (by not patronizing an agent, the unrepresented seller undercuts the viability of the very realtors who maintain the MLS) and,  

2) Extorting benefits for something for which they have not paid. Even in the case of a flat listing fee for MLS listing inclusion where the agent taking this type of listing does not represent the seller or buyer in any way, the sellers in this case are forcing the buyer's agent to do double work (to act as a diplomat and expertise provider to the buyer, and to act as a diplomat and expertise provider to the sellers with the limited "mls" listing, the very sellers who refuse to pay the buyer's agent for their additional work load.

There is an exception to these points, and that is when the unrepresented buyer/seller works directly with another unrepresented buyer or seller. Then they are not unfairly "using" anyone. In the case of an unrepresented buyer/seller who used to be a realtor, they are still milking the buyer's agent/listing agent when they choose to represent themselves, because often they lack adequate knowledge of the current market and its dynamics, etc and the other agent has to pick up the slack. 

Does this make sense? I believe there is an integrity problem in any buyer or seller who doesn't have qualms with using people or a service for which they have not paid. Strong words, but sometimes people do sell their character for money. We should be able to swallow what we chew.

So how can this problem be alleviated? It's not fair to suggest that a buyer or seller shouldn't represent themselves or they are taking advantage of other people wrongly, is it? In fact, I am certain that many buyers/sellers honestly have the best interests at heart (at least for themselves) and don't wish to slight anyone. (Of course, we as people can rationalize everything to make it ok.) How to alleviate this? Buyers and sellers should become licensed realtors if they want to buy/sell their home fairly to not "use" another realtor's expertise unfairly (meaning fair compensation). If you want to be treated like an equal partner and desiring to bypass paying for an agent, then possess the same expertise as an experienced realtor. Pay for monthly MLS dues as well.

In a Web 2.0 world where consumers are pegged as king and providers must cower before them, these are my thoughts:

1) Own up to the condescension you give to realtors. Belittling a legitimate line of work by insinuating realtors are all crooks is demeaning and just plain rude. Neither is it true, as any generality tends to exaggerate.

2) Own up to your own responsibility of choosing a good realtor. If you worked with a bad one in the past, and you chose the realtor, don't blame-place, but ask yourself how your judgment could improve (asking more questions, doing better research into realtors, etc).

3) Try humility on for size. Not popular these days, humility treats others with dignity and doesn't assume that "I am above other humans and no bad experiences should ever happen to me". We all get a bad run sometimes. So you chose the listing agent who did a horrible job negotiating your sale? As unpleasant as it is, this happens. To denigrate all realtors because of one experience hinges on the unrealistic presumption of being exempt from the normal experience of a human being. I am sorry it happened to you, :( but please don't dog all realtors. In any case, such a generalization is a logical fallacy.  

 

37 Comments on Why unrepresented buyers/sellers unfairly shift the burden of work to an undercompensated lone agent

Had the gentleman who actually posted the original comment gone to to school and studied up on real estate law he would have known that the buyer has the right to present an offer directly to a seller.  If he had a buyers agent his agent surely could have informed him of that.  Which is why the selling agent probably agreed to his surprise. 

It sounds mostly like it was written out of anger.  I have used agents before I was one where I had the same feeling.  I have also had agents that were irreplaceable in getting the deal done.  Buyers and Sellers need to realize that the MLS does not sell houses.  80% of houses according the NAR are sold through Realtor's contacts.  Almost all of the information available to Realtors is there for the public on all of the new websites popping up. 

Maybe I'm one of the last true consumers that believes service is worth paying for.   

 

03/20/2007 11:20 PM by Brian Brumpton, Boise Idaho Real Estate Professional. (Keller Williams Realty of Boise)


Sara...what you have said is exactly how I feel!  Bravo on your post.  I don't think that anyone in any profession wants to take a "pay cut" and then do the work of two people.  This is allowing yourself the be "used" by others.  I also like that you say that people choose the Realtor that they work with.  If someone really cared about their transaction outcome, then they should choose carefully.  This is the same for any profession.

03/20/2007 11:27 PM by Valerie Harvey, Gresham Oregon Real Estate (John L. Scott Sandy)


Hi Danny,

It's really a tough call...my response is strong not because I don't think buyers/sellers who prefer to represent themselves don't have a valid preference/desire. I even commend sellers who go it alone; it is a lot of work and honorable work at that. I draw the line, however at the sense of entitlement. Consumer trends have applied pressure on the traditional methods of business, and what's new get's accepted as ideal without any deeper analysis. In the realm of real estate, consumers feel entitled to getting a cut of the commission, or paying none at all. After all, look at how cheap the internet makes most products come by. The fat is cut out!

In real estate, this new attitude of entitlement results in the rationalization to support a preferred perception. It is not that the realtor is no longer a highly experienced and skilled marketer/negotiator, and thus their pay is extortionist or exploitive. However, this view is taken after the fact to rationalize one's beliefs that the realtor is overpaid. If a case will be made for why realtors are no longer efficient or pertinent, such a case can not hinge on after-the-fact rationalizations. To prove that the home buying/selling process can exist in a more efficient manner, the burden falls on consumers to show that such a system can exist and thrive better than the current one employed.

It is a pity real estate and home loans have the stigma they have. For the "reputation" to be true (that we are crooks), it would mean that a far greater percentage of amoral or unethical people choose these fields. But I find that unlikely... 

03/20/2007 11:38 PM by Sara Washburn (Brio Realty)


Hi Brian!

Certainly the post stemmed from a place of anger, that much is true!!  Good point on the buyer's right to address the seller directly...

Hi Valerie! Owning up to own's choices is not too popular these days, especially when we "bloop" on the choice! ;)  

03/20/2007 11:45 PM by Sara Washburn (Brio Realty)


There is always jerks other there that think we have limited value. I would love to see this person actually get their license and work a year in the business----What a diferent story we would hear then!

03/20/2007 11:46 PM by Sandra Williams (Rancon Real Estate)


I am sure that all of us have dealt with agents that were less than perfect during a transaction.  When a buyer or seller deals with one of these agents, they lump all of us together and say "see this is why you do not need an agent."  The sad part is that these dissatified individuals are going to be very loud and probably drown out the satisfied clients. 

We all have a responibility to ourselves and each other to treat clients with the dignity and respect that we would expect.  This will go along way to changing some of the perceptions that some people have.

03/20/2007 11:56 PM by Patrick Brady (RE/MAX Masters)


Some people always have to be the "hero", so they always have a good story to tell to any one who will listen.  

At one time, I felt if the buyer/seller mainly seller wanted to represent their self, then I was ok with.  That was until it turned out that I did the work of two agents.  Now I try to avoid the situation.  

03/21/2007 12:07 AM by Rosemont Financial Inc


The general public does not realize how much money and time we invest in our MLS, fees, subscriptions, gas, taxes, dues, lockboxes, etc.  They'd probably sing a different tune if they really knew what it costs us to do business.

03/21/2007 12:11 AM by Debbie Cook (Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc)


This is a very nice post, I really enjoyed reading it and reading the comments, I hear stories like this all the time.

03/21/2007 12:34 AM by Daniel Lowery CNS, e-PRO, Broker/Sales (Coldwell Banker Gordon Co. REALTORS)


If we give consumers the info of property for sale, why don't we give them the info for property sold?

03/21/2007 12:43 AM by Darin Persinger (More Listings | More Sales)


Sara, great post!!! It is funny because I was just put in contact with a seller who I wasn't able to help because of their choice to not use an agent when they bought an investment property.

The buyer decided they wanted to save some money and go straight to the listing agent. This agent facilitated the transaction and helped them out by donating a portion of the commission towards the purchase price. The buyer also wanted to get cash back from the sellers at closing. So the listing agent raised the price of the house to get her a lump some of cash. The listing agent disclosed that he worked for the seller solely and was only facilitating this deal for the buyer. The buyer was representing themselves and signed off on it. The buyer did not get any commitment from the seller to get money back. They ended up paying the seller 20k over the listing price. It was the listing agent who set her up with financing that had the appraiser that inflated the price. Next thing the deal closed and the sellers skipped town with the extra cash. Nothing was ever put in writing because that is the way the listing agent told the buyer these type of deals were done.The sellers used the excuse that they never knew anything about the money, and the listing agent denied that part of the deal even exsisted. 

Unfortunately she was duped by dishonest people. The same people who give our industry a bad name. But if she would have had some representation she wouldn't have been in that position. 

I found all of this out after she decided she needed to sell the house. Unfortunately she signed up for 100% financing, so her payment was too high to justify the rent for that location. She wasn't able to do any of the work she planned to do to fix the place up. She didn't have the money. Furthermore, she paid 20k more for a property that she couldn't turn because the market wouldn't support the increased price. She was kicking herself for not getting any representation. Even if she had a dishonest agent working on her behalf that was part of the scam she could at least go to that agent's broker and demand some retribution. But she represented herself and made her own decisions. She was S.O.L.  

I felt bad I couldn't help her sell her property. She wasn't a bad person, she just wanted to get a deal and save some money. But she got in over her head. She didn't see the value in using a buyer's agent.I always explain to buyers the service is free to them. The sellers have already agreed to pay compensation. They might as well take advantage of it. I try to make them understand that the listing agent is working for the sellers and has their best interest in mind. They might as well have the same.

She vowed to me she would always use an agent from now on. Too bad she learned the hard way.  

03/21/2007 01:30 AM by Ryan Allie (Keller Williams Federal Way)


Hi, Sara!  I woke up this morning and checked to see what was happening on AR (left it signed on all night -- AGAIN) and WHOA what a doozy of a comment from that dissatisfied client!  But wait, a response already!  Wow Sarah, thank you!! 

One of the reasons I decided to go into real estate was that I've had bad agents.  I've also had a couple fabulous agents.  The difference you can make in someone's life is astounding. 

I was sorry that guy felt he got a raw deal.  I was glad that you had already answered before I ever even saw it.  You did it better than I could have, ever.  Boy, AR's really got your back!

Thank you.

03/21/2007 04:09 AM by Sarah Cooper (Real Estate Shows)


A sign of things to come.  What I've observed over a long period of time is that the lousy agents with questionable ethics outnumber the diligent agents- sorry, just an observation.  Whether it's a lack of experience, a sense of entitlement for the full commission, or just a weirdo- pick your poison- they are getting their licenses, and getting hired.  The sense of entitlement isn't about doing the right thing, it's about money (and sometimes, too much).  Real estate is a public service, and as such, should be far better monitored for quality, but it isn't.  Until it is, and until brokers stop signing up every bozo off the street in the hopes of an extra buck, the industry will face these problems, and sellers will look to alternatives to sell their homes.  As it happens, the alternatives are becoming more and more accessible..

03/21/2007 07:33 AM by Options Realty


Sarah

Well put and well written.   We are constantly "dodging" the reputation of bad agents.   Most people that ask those questions, really don't expect to get such an "honest" answer.   Good for you.

Best wishes

03/21/2007 07:36 AM by Desiree Daniels New Jersey Real Estate (609) 448-2222 (RE/MAX Tri County)


Life is too short to worry about people like this. There is nothing to be gained arguing with an egomaniac. This buyer was lucky that the stalemate was easy to resolve. If the issue was more difficult they would be screaming for help. The best way to handle people like this is to let them stew in their own juices.

03/21/2007 09:30 AM by


Nice blog, but I did find it somewhat irritating to have to struggle down the skinny column on the right side of the graphic.  However, you held my interest to the very end. 

And, yes, there is always anecdotal stories about how last time I did it myself and it worked out fine.  Statistically, we Realtors, do a far better better job that buyers and/or sellers could even hope to do, and as such earn every penny of our commissions.

 

03/21/2007 10:25 AM by Roger Stensland (Brio Realty)


Good post, Sara.  I won't finance FSBOs for the reason you cited; it requires me to practice real estate.  I will only finance transactions with an agent or lawyer involved.

03/21/2007 01:03 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Bravo Sara!  I like your grit!  As a mortgage professional I can empathize as all too often we pre-qualify a buyer who then wants us to write an offer for a FSBO.  You can imagine the upset on both sides of that transaction when we "strongly encourage" our customer to get a buyer's agent (we have a pool of them we recommend because they are the beast in the area).  I've been called all sorts of things and accused of a few as well because of that, but I figure if I am going to present an offer to purchase to my lender, it had better be a correct and valid legal document (a); and (b) my responsibility to my borrower is that he is taken care of in this sort of transaction.  I don't do a Realtors job, have a Realtors training, or want to be a Realtor (nothing wrong with your profession, just not for me).  Therefore, if my borrowers best interests are to be served in a FSBO transaction he needs a Realtor.

03/21/2007 01:26 PM by Terry Schallert (Mortgage Advice)


Hi Sarah - you did a great job with this post.  It is frustrating to have to defend ourselves and the honorable profession we are in when bad agents go out and mess things up.  Those few bad ones are the ones on whose shoulders the stereotypes we get saddled with really belong to.

Great post!
Ann

03/21/2007 01:27 PM by Portsmouth NH Real Estate ~ Ann Cummings (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire)


Did I miss something or did the original poster write "Yes, agents are great and their commissions are fair"?  The poster does not seem to feel that agents are overpaid or not worth their money.  He just seems frustrated that he was forced to use someone (the sellers agent was the problem from what I understood) he didn't choose who did a horrible job.  I also think the point is somewhat valid about MLS as well.  Who knows if he is willing to pay for it or not.  He never said he thought he should have access for free.  Maybe he (and many others) would be more than willing to pay a monthly or annual fee for access. I do agree that access should not be free.  

Stephanie

03/21/2007 03:57 PM by


I think we have caused a lot of our own problems.  DR's have pressure to make the $$ and they don't give agents the type of training they really need.  We need to do a better job of letting buyers and sellers understand the value we bring to the process.  I do agree that one has to do a lot more work when the seller is not represented -- we explain what extra work to the buyers so they understand. You have brought up a lot of good points - now we need to find a way to reach the consumer.  When I talk with my non-realtor friends and ask they about the NAR ads they just laugh -- a higher code of ethics --HA -- and then they tell their story of an very unprofessional agent! 

03/21/2007 03:59 PM by Joan Whitebook, ABR, e-Pro, CEBA (Buyer's Option Realty Services)


I just wanted to scream BRAVO as I read your blog!!!  With you permission I would like to print this off and keep it with me and just hand it to someone that asks what a real estate agent does!  And I would also like to send it on to some agents that do the one time MLS listing fee.  [Probably won't do the latter of the two;)]

One tip about the MLS one time listing fee...  In Missouri- They have to at least be a transaction broker- this means I can force the other agent to talk to and handle their "client's questions" and I can very politely tell the other agents clients that they need to discuss all of their questions with their agent (transaction buyer). 

 You go girl!!!

03/21/2007 04:29 PM by Shanna Hall, GRI (Real Estate Solutions)


Excellent post and some very good comments as well. We just listed a former unrepresented seller...what a shame these people didn't talk to a professional before...they lost near 6 months of time and in their opinion some 35,000 in value.

03/21/2007 07:37 PM by Monika McGillicuddy~NH Real Estate Broker (Prudential Verani Realty)


Great job with this post and I agree with most of the comments above. Many sellers and buyers are judging the group by the actions of one. It is unfortunate but a reality in any career involving good pay. Look at attorneys, car salesmen and most government as well as realtors. All are criticized by the public GQ who swears we are overpaid and that they could do our jobs better. Let any accuser spend some time in my shoes : ) That's my .02 anyway.

03/21/2007 09:24 PM by Bend Oregon REALTOR ® Kelli Fronabarger (Bend River Realty Inc.)


Great post, Sara.  Thanks for saying what needs to be said. It is these types of situations, however, that get the public talking about the bad job that agents do in general. We hear the horror stories all the time but so rarely the great ones. And there are times it is the buyer or the seller that leads to the problems in the transaction, and not the agents. The dynamics can get so complex, and when there are issues things tend to escalate are people's emotions get involved and they start to blame others. So much goes on behind the scenes and most people have no idea what agents sometime s have to deal with, and the costs we accrue even if a sale never occurs.

Jeff

03/21/2007 11:07 PM by Jeff Dowler ~ Carlsbad Real Estate (RE/MAX Associates)


Great post. After paying for their monthly mls subscription, advertising costs, and e & o insurance, they would see that it's not quite what they were thinking. I know I thought agents had it easy until I starting my real estate classes and found out just how much they paid UPFRONT without knowing if they would even make any money.

03/22/2007 08:39 AM by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners)


Sara, FABULOUS response. You very clearly make many of the points we all battle to defend each and every day. The idea that the public is entitled to access to the MLS just baffles me and your point on choosing the right realtor is dead-on! Do sellers put as much thought into what Realtor they will hire as they do when they're looking for a new doctor or attorney or even an auto mechanic? The answer is clearly NO! They often hire their brother-in-law's boss' wife's cousin who got their real estate license last month! Wow, now  that's a great decision! And then when it doesn't work out to their benefit, they badmouth the profession as a whole, rather than placing the blame solely on themselves and the one they hired to be THE PROFESSIONAL. GREAT POST!

03/22/2007 11:44 AM by Ryan Hukill - Edmond Realtor® (Hukill Group - Paradigm Realty)


Nice job Sara.  I like your style.  I wonder what the view was from the other side of the posted transaction?  A wise circuit court judge once told me, "everyone reality is their perception."  Our biggest challenge is to filter all the perceptions and come to a sense of reason.  This buyer had none!

03/22/2007 01:08 PM by Keith Jeppson - Salt Lake City Real Estate (Keller Williams Utah Realty)


Wow!!! Lots of great comments!

Jeff, I like the point you mentioned regarding emotions getting riled up in a transaction. I am curious as to whether the initial buyer whose comment I responded to used a Buyer's Agent, or if the transaction was a dual agency for the listing agent. What I find intriguing is that he/she went directly to the seller, and eventually the two worked it out. It was either that

a) The listing agent and/or buyer's agent were failing to communicate and negotiate successfully (all the more so if the buyer didn't use a buyer's agent), or

b) The buyer or seller or both were responsible for the hangup in reaching a successful resolution on the sale. It might even be that the buyer or seller were sticking to their guns without willing to budge to make he transaction happen, and when both or one realized the sale would fail, they aborted their decision and became negotiable. 

Since a listing agent or a buyer's agent represent their client's wishes, it doesn't seem exhaustively fair to suggest the listing agent or buyer's agent is independently responsible for the lack of reaching agreement. From my own experience as an agent, I am aware of how stubborn and emotional both buyers and sellers can be, sometimes seeking to use the negotiation process as a vent to wield power over the other party. My tendency is to try to neutralize potential power struggles, stressing for a mutually symbiotic exchange with the other party, as this seems to maximize the experience for my buyers or sellers by removing unnecessary negative tension. If the buyer seeks a power position, I don’t pass that along to the other agent with a power play of my own. If the other agent gives me power play with their client’s response, I don’t pass that power play along to my clients. Doing so would create animosity and not assist the transaction in any measure. Sometimes we have to shield the client from sabotaging their goals!

It wouldn't be fair to not mention that agents can be guilty of "power play" as well. Often they are merely echoing the power play of the client. Sometimes they incite their own client to participate in these power plays. I think this is a bad move. Smart negotiation is different from manipulative power play negotiation. Power play tends to create enemies and position the other agent squarely against you. This is a losing position for seeking creative resolutions on hiccups that pop up between contract and closing. Frankly I think power play is a detriment to our client goals, as well as agent-driven agenda (it benefits the agent) as opposed to client-driven agenda.

Agent power play may well be behind what the initial buyer experienced in his home-buying transaction. Agent power play would explain the stalemate (although equally buyer/seller stalemate may explain the stalemate, without further ulterior motives from the agents).

I don't think power play is a hallmark of top agents who regularly close high numbers of transactions. It takes too much time! Power play costs the agent productivity, and certainly contributes to the negative reputation associated with realtor.

03/22/2007 02:42 PM by Sara Washburn (Brio Realty)


Hi Ryan and Laurie!

Yes, clients don't seem to focus on quality so much when choosing to buy or sell.  Ryan, your point about clients using a family member or a friend they happen to know, and Laurie, your point regarding any person off the street thinking they can be successful in real estate brings to light a very pressing issue in real estate that I suspect is behind some of the bad reputation of realtors. The relative lack of a barrier to entry in the field of real estate makes it an appetizing option for those who are unprepared to bare the consequences of any professional action they take. "Baring the consequences" in this case means committing to real estate as a full-time profession and going hungry when they fail to see repeat business as a shortcoming of their methodology. This is different from the person positioned to move onto the next big thing once they fail or make a quick buck. If they don' make it, this second person can always jump ship, minus their initial financial investment. The committed realtor can learn and adapt to function more successfully as a realtor, but the dabbler leaves before consequences force them to hone the skills.

Although I am not prepared to fully stand behind the idea, consider the intense training process appraisers must go through to jump hoops and become certified. After initial coursework, they apprentice for many clock hours, doing appraisal work but in close supervision for the quality. If any such similar requirements existed for new realtors, realtor quality would rise significantly. Before realtors would be allowed on their own, they will have participated in a handful of closed transactions, with intimate knowledge gained from senior realtors as a result of supervision.

03/22/2007 03:10 PM by Sara Washburn (Brio Realty)


Hi Shanna,

Thank you for your kind words! :)

Please feel free to print a copy or two and use it however you wish! In order for it to not be plagerism, the only thing I ask is that you credit the writing to me (as opposed to leaving my name off). 

lol About sending off copies to mls-lisiting-only agents, [gulp] the consequence I see happening is either they end up resenting/despising you for having sent it to them, or resenting/despising me, should you choose to leave your name off the envelope! I suspect that limited-listing brokers already know the ethical implications of their business model, and have reconciled themselves with them or either disagree or deny that those implications exist.  My personal preference is that you not send out my thoughts on the subject to them unsolicited, as it would merely construe a direct personal attack to them, which is not the intention of my writing.

03/22/2007 03:46 PM by Sara Washburn (Brio Realty)


Hi Stephanie,

I was a little confused regarding your response. I wasn't sure if it was directed at my initial blog post or towards another commentator on the post?

The theme of my post dealt with the position of the mls and the initial buyer's sense of entitlement and the ethical implications of their preferences/actions.  Fair compensation for the agent was relevant to what seems to be the buyer's underestimation of a realtor's work and their privelege to the mls (not stand-alone). 

I also touched on the buyer's misunderstanding of the purpose of the MLS. The MLS exists solely as a service assisting agents. It has never sought the homebuyer/seller as the end user, and only moved in that direction at the request of realtors. There seems to be a sense of entitlement on the buyer's/seller's part to access industry tools reserved and created specifically for professionals, and I am uncertain exactly why this sense of entitlement exists as it does. As a service for realtors, the mls is not indebted in any way to buyers or sellers. While buyers and sellers are free to conduct real estate transactions free of representaion, I am unsure how a demand to access a business-to-business service (the MLS) is reasonable.

03/22/2007 04:06 PM by Sara Washburn (Brio Realty)


Part of the access to the MLS the public wants is, of course, our fault. We need to do a better job of educating them as to it's purpose.  They also need better education as to how and why we make our money.  But this takes good communication.  Communication some agents and some buyers and some sellers are incapable of. 

03/22/2007 09:55 PM by Chris Lengquist, RIPS (Keller Williams Realty)


Sara, I agree. I've often pondered the same things. The low requirements to enter the business is a detriment to our overall professional image and the bar should be raised. An apprenticeship type atmosphere would certainly be a great way to get rookies taught and set up more structure for quality and consistency within the industry. You're also right that it's just too easy, therefore, many just get in knowing they can 'jump ship' any time the going gets tough.

How about this for an example of how easy it is to get into the RE biz. When I was in my early 20's I went to work at one of the largest car dealerships in our region. I actually went through more intensive training and testing when I began that business than I did in the Real Estate business. That's a pretty sad indicator of the open door policy we have in our industry.

03/22/2007 10:03 PM by Ryan Hukill - Edmond Realtor® (Hukill Group - Paradigm Realty)


Sara,

 

Great Post and I commend your post and your acknowledgment of higher standards and education.  I also would like to thank you for your acknowledgment of the training that appraisers undertake just to acquire our first license level.  I have read the comments and some I agree with and others I ponder.  This much I can state is that the NRA and the real estate profession needs to address the quality of the agent, and not only the agent but the process as well.  I can state with fair confidence that the MLS will have to under go major changes should it want to be as competitive has it has in the past with the data control.  There are companies that will push it to be I really do think.  With the MLS it will be because consumers finding the data or compiling it them selves.  Wall Street thought that no one would be able to trade without a broker at one time and that to has changed.  The challenge of the NAR and real estate sales professionals is communicating why they are needed and even more so are qualified.  To attend a class with a sales professional that does not know how to calculate square footage or acreage, understand basic contract law, supply and demand or negotiation among a countless other possible areas only shows the challenge that the real estate sales industry needs to undertake.  I would suggest that real estate brokers/agents review the up and coming requirements that are going to be placed on appraisers as of 2008 including the new con-ed requirements.  The current system encourages Brokers to harvest quantity and not promote quality.  Should the standards go up, yes I am sure that there may be some brokers that would no longer be in business, however the market share flow should be in a ratio.  The longer the industry takes in tackling these issues the more damage will be done in the eyes of the general consumer.  In all honestly I can understand why some consumers feel the way they do.  I hope that the sales profession can meet the demand and make for a better provided for consumer.  I have enjoyed reading your topic very much.

03/23/2007 09:16 PM by Apella - Shane


Education is getting to be more and more important.  I cannot stress it enough, good post no doubt.

03/29/2007 09:16 PM by Bob Sloop, Consultant, Indianapolis, IN (RS Mortgage Consulting)


This is some good stuff. I am printing it out so I can reread and highlight some points

04/28/2007 08:45 PM by Jeff Link "The Asheville Real Estate Guy" (Keller Williams Professionals Asheville)


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