How To Spot A Real Deal Buying a Condo-Hotel In Daytona Beach

The Plaza Resort & Spa. Daytona Beach

The Plaza Hotel & Spa is one of two really luxury condo-hotels in greater Daytona Beach area. The conversion came at the height of the market and was very successful and then died, so to say, on a dime, leaving close to 100 units out of 322 units in the hands of the developers, who happen to be the biggest hoteliers in the area.

At the peak of conversion to condo-hotel, the prices went higher than $810 per sq. ft., which was nearly double what older condo-hotels were selling for on a per sq. ft. basis at the peak of the market.

I did not touch the Plaza Resort & Spa, because I could offer better value to my clients in Oceanside Inn. But the prices were sliding, and we tried to throw a line on a couple of distressed properties, did not get them on our client's terms, and forgot about it.

And then I noticed that city view studio for $69,900. Knowing that initial price on the unit was $197,721, I knew right away that this was a deal. The resort with maybe the highest occupancy and ADR, a unit at that price was a pretty good candidate. I saw 3 units priced in the $90s, but I did not pay much attention to it, until I was there showing this city view unit for $69,900. I suddenly noticed that one of those units in the $90s was actually a penthouse direct oceanfront studio.

That was a wow. 462 sq. ft. unit sold in March 2006 for $336,297 ($727.9 psf), and it was now for $95,000? This is only

The pool.Plaza Resort & Spa. Daytona Beach

$205.63 psf. That was a triple "Wow". To add to that, the next door identical unit is for sale for $459,000. Of course, this is a

 

2005-2006 market price, but it shows you that there is $340K equity, which can be realized when the market goes back. Well, those who think that the market is not going to go back any time soon, should not be reading this, as I can't explain that day comes after night. If they do not know that by now, they should be watching real estate in CNBC or something else.

Why is that price? This is a REO (Real Estate Owned) property, meaning that there was a foreclosure and there were no takers at the court steps. The Lender got it back, and gave it to local agents to sell, and do not ask me why they managed to come up with this ridiculously low price.

I nearly missed it. Now, that I know about the property, I do not want to lose it. I would buy for myself, but I am already overstretched. Don't see the partner for this one, which is, listen here, could be a flip candidate for a slow market. So, I send the e-mail to my list of people interested in condo-hotels. My good client comes back to me within an hour. We communicate, and the offer goes to the Listing agent next morning. For $95,000 plus Closing costs my good client gets the unit, that I think could be called the best condo-hotel deal in all years I am selling condo-hotels.

Want deals? Talk to us. You are not going to get these deals on CNBC, or ABC, or BBC, or whatever. The market will still decline another 15 %. FIne. The next least expensive direct oceanfront unit is for $189,900, the market price is high $200s. So the market value when the media declares that they are at the bottom and the time to buy is there (assuming you ever get that instruction), the market value for them will be mid $200s.

THIS IS NOT THE MARKET, THIS IS A DEAL. THE DEALS ARE SO UNDER THE MARKET PRICE, THAT WAITING FOR THE MARKET TILL IT GOES DOWN 15% AND THEN BUY WOULD COST YOU WAY MORE.

Of course, if the media will start telling you about the deals, and guarantees your success, and... hey you are day dreaming. Wake up.

Buy the way, the unit that was for $69,900 made sense to me... and to my smart client, who missed the boat with a direct oceanfront unit. The lender reduced the price by another $10K, and we got it under contract for even way less than $59,900. It was sold initially by the developer in March 2006 for $197,721. You can do your own math, but it definitely falls under the "Deal" category.

What do you need to get Deals? You need the no BS agent like me. You can start making money in Real Estate, or you can watch TV and read the newspapers. But do not call me and say that the real estate market is bad. Not for my good client, who is buying a half a million dollar unit for $95K, or another client with a no nonsense approach, who is buying a $197K unit for $0.27 on a dollar. Want to wait until the market drops another 15% and then come and by for $0.65 on a dollar? No problem.

Below is the Slideshow of the Plaza Resort & Spa. Enjoy the slideshow.

Such a pity I could not buy it for myself. I would have retired a few years earlier.  

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8 Comments on How To Spot A Real Deal Buying a Condo-Hotel In Daytona Beach

AUG
01
2008

Jon sounds like there are some great deals out there in Daytona. May have to come out there with my investor clients to check it out.

1:34am • #1

  Jon:  Please feel free to sell any of my Plaza Listings.  In fact, please sell any of my listings.  Let me know how the Plaza deal goes, none of my clients are in the mood for short sales yet.  Let's try to keep it that way if we can. 

Best Wishes, and    Make Someone Smile Todaypreferably me, LOL.





3:56am • #2

Any way to get a client a free weekend to get out and see the place?

5:02am • #3
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Mike -  I think there are deals like that anywherre, at least anywhere in Florida. That's why when people are looking for investments in foreign countries, they either know that market there better than their backyard, or they are simply following the cliche that other pastures always greener.

I was talking to a broker in US Virgin Islands when here in Florida we had the peak of the market, and he was asking my opinion on his investment in land in Florida, and he could not see that right where he lives the prices were so much more beneficial. Actually I went there because of that and my clients bought 3 multi-family parcels there.

9:40am • #4
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Sondra - I guess the best answer is that you are not in the Deal category yet. None of my listings are in Deal category yet, as I am trying to get the maximum value for my clients and not just dump the unit, which makes them such a great deal.

As an agent for the Buyer, I look for distressed sales. As a listing agent, I am trying to get the best value, and never suggest dumping.

On another note, let your clients know that Short Sale will probably not be their option. This is an investment property, and so far banks did not let sell there where the Sellers were coming short of repaying. There were a few attempts, those that I know of did not play well. The Lender was asking the Seller to pay the difference or to take anothoser loan on the difference.

Let me know if you have info on any success regarding short sales in the Plaza Resort, or any other condo-hotel in the area.

Good luck to you

 

9:47am • #5
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The customer is not always right. They may be the ones with the money, but it doesn't mean they know what to buy or how to buy it.

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1:45pm • #6

JON:  OK, seems we're both in the same boat.  I do have a really good Short Sale at the Ocean Walk, check my listings, it's $230,00.  If you have a customer who would like to make an "offer" the condo is actually nice enough to live in.  It comes completely furnished etc.  Give me a call or e-mail me if you have any interest.  Offers are in, we're just waiting for the bank to do the appraisal and accept an offer, therefore the condo is still listed as active. 

I realize the Plaza buyers still need cash to buy, but If you have a client with good credit you can still get loans on the Ocean Walk.

Just e-mail me if you would like, I hate taking up your blog space to chat.

Best Wishes,

2:45pm • #7
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03
2008
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Elizabeth - we have the sign on A1A "Condos for sale", and have some walk in traffic. Typically people walk-in, say that they have wife and kids in a car, and ask for a list of available condo-hotel units.

They take it and look at the prices. They may also ask about the association fee. Now they are armed to make decisions. That is usually their assumption. It is like looking at bananas on the market, but for different price. They llook alike, and we would go by the price.

But here price and the association fee is not the only thing that matters, and that is the reason that there is such a big turnover in condo-hotel.

People buy with wrong assumptions, and then they get mad that it is not what they thought it would be.

9:11am • #8

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