I didn't write this one, but it's good information...

by James Morshead

Written for the Journal of Light Construction

March 2007 issue

Closed-cell polyurethane foam provides the insulation, air barrier, and vapor retarder necessary for an unvented attic assembly



As a general contractor, I was taught that attic and cathedral ceiling assemblies should always be vented. Since then, however, studies have shown that properly designed and installed unvented attic assemblies outperform vented assemblies. They reduce energy loss and protect against rot and mold by preventing moisture from passing through the insulation and condensing on cold surfaces. Although many builders - and even some building inspectors - are unfamiliar with them, unvented assemblies are already part of the 2006 IRC and will soon be allowed by most building codes (see sidebar).


Code Provisions for Unvented Attics

Every state except California and Hawaii has adopted some version of the IRC. And California is expected to adopt it in 2008.

Until recently, the IRC required all attics and enclosed rafter spaces to be vented. But the latest version allows unvented attic assemblies if certain conditions are met.

According to Section R806.4 of the 2006 IRC, unvented assemblies are allowed if "no interior vapor retarders are installed on the ceiling side (attic floor) of the unvented attic assembly" and if "air-impermeable insulation is applied in direct contact with the underside/interior of the structural roof deck."

There is an exception that allows air-permeable insulation (fiberglass and cellulose) to be used in unvented assemblies in certain parts of the South (climate zones 2B and 3B).

It has long been possible to get an unvented assembly approved by the inspector as an "alternate construction method." But once states update their codes to the 2006 IRC, it will no longer be necessary to get special approval for unvented assemblies.

In the meantime, the fact that the 2006 IRC allows unvented assemblies should make it easier to get special approval in states that have adopted earlier versions of the code.

Do not build an unvented attic assembly without first talking to the local building inspector. Unvented assemblies are new in the IRC, and your state might be using an older version of the code. Also, the committee that wrote this section is still working on it, so more changes may be on the way.

I work for a company in Northern California that installs spray polyurethane foam (SPF) insulation, and we are frequently asked to insulate unvented assemblies. Sometimes the building has a flat roof or a cathedral ceiling that would be difficult or impossible to ventilate (Figure 1). In other cases, the existing framing cavities are too shallow to accommodate a sufficient amount of insulation plus a vent space. And occasionally customers request unvented attics because they make the building more comfortable and energy-efficient.



Figure 1. Spray foam is a good choice for roofs that are difficult to vent, like a turret with converging rafters (top) or a flat roof with its rafters hung between flush beams (bottom).

Why Install Roof Venting?
Traditionally, venting has been used to deal with problems that occur when heat or moisture escapes into the attic (Figure 2).


Figure 2. While attic ventilation can mitigate problems caused by ineffective insulation or leaky air or vapor retarders, a better approach is to build the attic as an unvented assembly. The foam insulation used for unvented attics stops air movement and with it the transport of moisture. Any hvac equipment located in the attic is within the conditioned shell of the house, which also cuts energy losses.

In cold climates, the escaping heat can cause ice dams by melting the snow on the roof. Venting the space above the insulation helps keep the roof cool by carrying this heat away. If moisture enters the attic through the ceiling (usually as an air leak), the vents are supposed to allow it to exit before it condenses on something cold.

However, ventilating above fiber insulation comes with an energy penalty. Fiber insulation is designed to be enclosed in an airtight cavity. When air flows over and through fiber insulation, there is a substantial loss of thermal performance.

Also, most hvac ducts and air handlers leak to some degree, so when these are installed in vented attics, conditioned air is lost to the exterior. And because vented attics are subject to extreme high and low temperatures, additional energy is lost through the thin insulation on the hvac equipment.

In cooling climates, venting the attic can bring humid outdoor air into contact with attic ductwork. If the ducts are not properly insulated, they can be cold enough to cause condensation.

Venting and shingle temperature. It's a common misconception that code-required venting significantly lowers the summer temperature of the roof surface. In fact, tests have shown that it lowers the surface temperature of asphalt shingles by at most about 5°F.

For many years, roofing manufacturers required that shingles be installed over vented substrates, but today, several companies - including Elk and CertainTeed - will guarantee shingles installed over properly constructed unvented roofs.

How Unvented Assemblies Work
A properly constructed unvented attic is immune to the moisture problems that occur in vented assemblies and is much more likely to be energy-efficient.

In an unvented assembly, anything below the insulation - including an attic - is considered conditioned space. Turning the attic into conditioned space saves energy; if heat or air escapes from the hvac equipment, it remains within the conditioned space (Figure 3).


Figure 3. The ducts visible in this unvented attic will be concealed after drywall is installed. But because they are in conditioned space, they won't be subject to the extremes of temperature typical of attics.

If enough energy is saved in this manner, the hvac system can actually be downsized, reducing installation and operating costs.

A number of insulation materials can be used in an unvented assembly, but the one with the greatest applicabil-
ity across the country is SPF. It's an extremely effective insulation and air barrier all in one, and since it's spray-applied, it conforms to irregular shapes that otherwise might be difficult to insulate and seal (Figure 4).



Figure 4. This barrel ceiling (top) would be difficult to insulate and seal with traditional materials. It's an ideal candidate for spray foam, which conforms to its irregular surfaces (bottom).

Despite the multiple brands of SPF, there are only two main kinds: open-cell foam and closed-cell foam. Chemically, all brands are nearly identical - contrary to some advertising claims - and contain about the same proportion of agriculturally derived resin from corn, sugar beets, sugarcane, or soybeans. None of the spray foams contain formaldehyde or use toxic or ozone-depleting blowing agents.

The important differences between products have to do with density, R-value, and permeability.

Open-cell foam. The typical open-cell foam weighs 0.5 pound per cubic foot and has an insulation value of R-3.5 per inch of thickness. This type of foam is relatively permeable; at 5 inches thick it is rated at about 10 perms. Open-cell foam is an air barrier but not a vapor retarder.

When sprayed, open-cell foam expands to about 100 times its liquid volume, so it usually has to be trimmed flush to the framing. Fortunately, it's soft and easy to trim.

Closed-cell foam is denser and less permeable than open-cell material. The typical closed-cell foam weighs 2.0 pounds per cubic foot and provides R-6.6 per inch of thickness.

When sprayed, closed-cell foam expands from 30 to 50 times its liquid volume, making it easy to apply without completely filling the framing bay. If the bay must be filled completely, the applicator can overfill it and then trim off the excess.

Trimming closed-cell foam is not as easy as trimming the open-cell material, but it can be done.

Advantages of Closed-Cell Foam
Both types of SPF are excellent insulation materials, but our company uses closed-cell material in unvented assemblies because we think it provides the best overall performance. With it, we can pack more R-value into a small space, which is helpful when the existing rafter bays are shallow; for example, we can get R-30 into a 41/2-inch space.

In our climate zone, it's important to avoid excessive vapor diffusion, and we think the best way to do this is to use closed-cell foam. One of the great benefits of closed-cell foam is that if you install it to a thickness of at least 2 to 2 1/2 inches, it will have a permeance of 1.0 perm or less.

This means that in addition to being an air barrier, closed-cell foam is a vapor retarder. It's actually a vapor retarder from both sides, so it ends the debate about which side of the insulation to put the vapor retarder on in climates where interiors are both heated and cooled.

Some companies that make both open-cell and closed-cell foam advise insulation contractors not to use the open-cell material in unvented assemblies - or to do it only in certain climates where vapor diffusion will not be a problem.

In conditions of extreme vapor drive - an indoor pool or spa, for instance - it may be necessary to further reduce the permeability of closed-cell foam by coating it with a spray-applied liquid vapor barrier.

Cathedral Ceilings
In a vented cathedral ceiling, the insulation is in contact with the back of the drywall and there's an air gap (the venting space) above. But in an unvented assembly, the insulation must be against the bottom of the sheathing.

Sometimes, if the rafter bays are unusually shallow, we have to fill them all the way up with closed-cell foam (Figure 5). But because this type of foam has such a high R-value, in most cases we have to fill the cavities only partway.



Figure 5. Open-cell foam, which expands to about 100 times its liquid volume, typically has to be trimmed flush to framing members - an easy task, since the foam is so soft. Because of its lower expansion rate and higher R-value per inch, closed-cell foam doesn't usually have to be trimmed. When it does, as in this shallow rafter bay (top), the author's crew uses a scraper - in this case a horse curry comb - to clean the framing in preparation for drywall (bottom).

Contractors often ask about the air space below the foam; most were taught that it's bad to leave an air space below insulation. This is true of fiber insulations because convection currents can form in gaps and degrade the insulation's thermal performance. But it is not true of foam, which can't be infiltrated and is relatively unaffected by surrounding air currents.

Any space left below the foam is considered conditioned space (Figure 6).



Figure 6. Fiberglass and cellulose insulation are usually installed in contact with the back of the drywall; the concern is that leaving a space there allows convective air currents to degrade the insulation's thermal performance. Because closed-cell foam is unaffected by air movement, the space between it and the drywall is not a problem.

Dealing With Can Lights
It's easier and more energy-efficient to build a cathedral ceiling as an unvented assembly, but dealing with recessed light fixtures can be a real challenge.

There are two issues: how to insulate and seal the area above the fixture, and how to provide enough space around it so it doesn't overheat. Even if the fixture is an IC unit, you can't embed it in foam.

Insulating above. If we're lucky, there will be room to spray a full thickness of foam above the fixture and still maintain the desired 2 to 3 inches of clearance between foam and fixture.

If there isn't enough space or access to spray above a fixture, we sometimes install a piece of nonperforated foil-faced rigid foam above it instead. Before spraying, we mask the fixture to keep it clean, then create an airtight seal by lapping the SPF onto the rigid foam (Figure 7). If the rigid foam butts to framing, we caulk that joint with polyurethane sealant.



Figure 7.
Code requires that a space be left between can lights - even IC-rated cans - and spray foam insulation. In shallow bays, the author's crew installs foil-faced rigid foam above fixtures and creates a seal by lapping the spray foam onto it (top). An alternate method, which may soon be required in California, is to isolate fixtures from the foam by installing them in metal boxes (bottom).

Clearances.
Few building codes contain specific requirements about clearances between foam and can lights, so it's a good idea to talk to the building inspector about the issue. SPF is such a good insulator it can cause a fixture to overheat, tripping the temperature-limit switch and cutting power to the light. Excess heat could also damage the wire sheathing or even the foam itself.

In California, new code provisions are being developed that will require builders to take one of three measures with recessed lights: leave 3 inches of clearance around a fixture, box around it, or wrap it with 2 inches of mineral fiber. A 3-inch clearance is already required around hot appliance vents.

SPF is compatible with PVC and CPVC, so it's okay to spray it on Romex, PVC pipe, and CPVC sprinkler pipe.

Air Sealing
Any surface we spray will be sealed against the movement of air, but there are always some surfaces we can't spray.

For example, the gaps between doubled-up framing members are too small to spray with foam, yet a significant amount of air can leak through at these spots. It's best to seal these joints during framing by installing compressible foam gaskets between the members. If that isn't done, you can caulk the joints after the foam is installed.

When the gaps are too wide for caulk, we fill them with foam from a can. The canned foam should be the low-expansion type; it contains more closed cells than the high-expansion material. We stay away from the latex foams because they're very permeable.

Fire Resistance
When the unvented assembly is a cathedral ceiling, the foam will be covered with drywall, which is a code-approved thermal barrier. In an attic, though, the rafter bays are not normally covered by drywall, so the issue of fire-resistance comes into play (Figure 8).


Figure 8. When insulating an unvented roof assembly, the author prefers closed-cell to open-cell foam because it's both an air barrier and a vapor retarder. To finish an unvented cathedral ceiling insulated with closed-cell foam, most codes require a layer of 1/2-inch drywall or an equivalent thermal barrier (top). Depending on local code, the spray foam in an unvented, or "cathedralized," attic (bottom) may not require drywall covering unless the area is accessible for servicing equipment. In some cases, the foam may have to be sprayed with an intumescent coating.

This can be a gray area in the code, so be sure to check with your building department before building an unvented attic space. Most codes state that if the attic is accessible for the service of utilities, the foam must be covered with an ignition barrier. Certain water-based intumescent coatings qualify as ignition barriers.

If the attic area is not accessible or is not "accessed for the service of utilities," it may be possible to leave the SPF exposed. Many contractors are confused about how to treat this enclosed attic space. Providing access through a ceiling hatch is okay but not necessary; venting to the room below is prohibited by the fire code.

Other Issues
Unlike fiber insulation, which can be blown through a hose or stuffed into hard-to-reach areas, SPF can't be installed without sufficient access. The applicator must be able to get close enough to the sheathing to spray from 16 to 24 inches away - and do it from pretty much straight on.

Cost. In our area, the installed cost of an average-size closed-cell foam insulation project is between $1.10 and $1.40 per board foot of material.

For R-30, that comes to about $5 per square foot of roof area. That's more than other insulation materials would cost, but not much more if you factor in all of SPF's advantages - future energy savings, increased comfort and moisture control, the greater design flexibility that comes with being able to fit the necessary R-value into small framing cavities, and the possibility that the mechanical system can be downsized.

James Morshead is senior project manager and technical director for American Services Co. in Dublin, Calif.

 

13 Comments on Insulating Unvented Attics With Spray Foam

MAR
26
2007
8 Featured Posts
Just having built a home with SPF insulation in several areas, I found this information to be very informative.  Thank you for sharing.
4:49pm • #1
DEC
15
2007

The best foam on the market is the Apex Foam Industries' product line called: Earthseal Foam.  This foam is made from Sugarcane and other renewable resources.  The most interesting thing I have found out about Apex Foam Industries is the percentage is the highest among the few that can even make the foam from renewable crops.  With the half pound (.5 open cell) Earthseal Foam, the renewable crop is sugarcane and the percentage blows away the nearest manufacture at over 35% granulated sugar. The only other foam that can say it has a higher amount is the 1.8 density, Closed Cell (1.8 closed cell) Earthseal Foam. This has the highest amount of natural resources at over 54% renewable.  This closed cell foam does use a majority of sugar in it as well bit all renewables are in this: Soy beans, Castor oil, Sugar fron Corn as well as the Sugar cane foam. 

 Apex Foam Industries has led this new "green building" initiative by using the least amount of embodied energy to make the foam, from the begining.  They told me they wanted to help save the planet and help our american sugarcane and soybean farmers at the same time.  The reason that made sugar get the nod over the soybean is that the soybean needs many more "energy consuming steps" to convert the bean to a usable spray foam product.  When you have more energy consuming steps you have a bigger carbon footprint. 

 When I rebuild my home (after Katrina) I will only use this Earthseal Foam in it.  The choices I make have a direct affect on what American farmers produce and also, will help me with saving of over 50 to 60% on monthly energy bills.     Keeping our dollars with an American manufacture and not sending our funds to other countries is one more way I can help my economy here in the United States.   Thank you Apex Foam Industries for guiding me through this spray-foam quandry.

Eric Price
9:55am • #2
FEB
23
2008
My potential builder is reluctant to use the closed cell foam, as he claims there would be no way to know if  the roof was leaking and that the water has no place to go, rendering the insulation useless. Another builder expressed similar views. Help!
Emily
10:50am • #3
My potential builder is reluctant to install the closed cell foam in our attic, claiming that there would be no way to know if the roof leaked. The water would have no place to go rendering the insulation useless. Another builder expressed similar vies. Please help!
Emily
10:53am • #4
MAR
10
2008

While building our then new 3,000+ sq ft home in 1990, I used closed cell foam in our vaulted ceiling(s).  Over 17 years later, I can testify that it was one of the best choices we made.

Our home is located on a bluff over looking the North Pacific Ocean with high wind exposure.  Closed cell foam gave greater R-value/ inch of thickness, provided a greater wind/ water seal and added significantly to the structural integrity of the roof system [i.e. tied all the structural framing members together beyond just the nailing/ seismic reinforcement process]. 

Like any project, it takes both a quality product and well as quality workmanship to achieve optimum results.  If either the Product or workmanship is of poor quality, the end result will be much the same. 

Whatever you decide to do, make sure you use quality material installed by a contractor known to be reputable for installing the material correctly.

AFB
10:43pm • #5
MAR
12
2008
If your contractor does not use icynene, he has not researched, or he is a cheap ......... Any insulation that cuts your electric bill by 50%, should be the only insulation available. An energy recovery ventilator is a must, unless you like to smell mold. As an HVAC contractor, I size my equipement about 40% less capacity than conventional insulation, so installation cost are less, and cost less to operate, also your attic temperature stays around 85 degrees fareinheit, about half the temp of a norml attic which means less heat transfer.so if you dont like to save money,listen to your contractor who is putting more money in his pocket, instead of yours.       for your info: R-22 refrigerant will no longer be manufactured after Dec. 2010, so if you are getting a new HVAC system be sure to request the replacement freon,        R-410A unless you like to waste money, maybe you should become a building contractor so you can take advantage of homeowners also.
Hardcastleheatair.com
12:27pm • #6
MAR
18
2008

I am the author of the article

First of all it would be a good idea to credit the Journal of Light Construction (JLC) for which I wrote the article in their March 2007 issue. The Journal of Light Construction is probably the single best trade publication for contractors and those interested in construction. This article is also included in the JLC Guide to Moisture Control.

http://www.jlconline.com/

 

At American Services Company, we can install both types of spray foam (open and closed) but this article was about closed cell spray foam.

 

Brands-

Please note that Icyene is just a brand name for one of many open cell foams and is NOT the name of a type of spray foam. Foam insulation is NOT called Icyene. Icyene is brand of foam made from polyurethanes like any other spray foam. There seems to be an attempt to claim a major difference from other foams which may be misleading to the uninformed consumer.

The comments about Apex foam seem a bit exaggerated. All spray foams currently marketed are made from an A side and a B side. The B side is sometimes made by the manufacturer and contains polyols. It is also called the resin side. This is where agricultural polyols are generally used up to a limited amount. The A side is rarely, if ever, made by the individual manufactures and is not made from renewable or agricultural materials. The B can only contain a certain percent of these sugar derived polyols. This percent is then cut in HALF in the finished product when mixed and reacted with the A side. Therefore a claim of 54% renewable resources or 35% sugar derived is erroneous and/or misleading. It is also misleading even if they backtrack and say it refers to only the percent represented in only the B side.

 

Other terms for Open Cell Spray foam:

*Low Density spray foam

*Half Pound spray foam

*ocSPF (Open Cell Spray Polyurethane Foam)

 

Other terms for Closed Cell spray foam

*Medium Density spray foam (technically more accurate than High Density)

*High Density spray foam

*Structural spray foam

*ccSPF (Closed Cell Spray Polyurethane Foam)

We install thoroughly tested and ICC documented spray foams from some of the most respected, well known, manufactures in the industry. There are some good spray foams on the market with different attributes but no one of these better brands can claim absolute supremacy over the others. Some of the most important aspects of choosing a spray foam brand are not always easy for a consumer to judge. The manufactures integrity, and their support and commitment to the contractor, along with truthfulness in advertising and documentation are rarely able to be judged by the end user. This is why it is important to work closely with a reputable installer that can answer your questions fully and in a way you can understand and makes sense. If you think you are hearing too much sales hype, or feel like something is being hidden, you should probably look around a little more. Better installers typically attract and work with the better manufactures and vise versa. They also are better trained and attend industry events so as to stay up to date with important information. They don't "need" your work. They "want" your work and don't need to lie or exaggerate to earn  your business.

 

Roof leaks-

Here are some comments from Roger Morrison , PE, RRC, of NCFI Polyurethanes. Roger Morrison is a registered roof consultant with the Roof Consultants Institute (RCI) and has been active in the spray polyurethane foam industry for more than 20 years:

"ccSPF is excellent at resisting water absorption. When and if the water shedding layers fail, the water contacts the roof deck and migrates to a seam. In this case, the seam is sealed with ccSPF. The water will fill the volume of the seam and continue to migrate down slope until it finds an exit. The net effect of the ccSPF will be to prevent damage to the interior and to minimize damage to the deck. ccSPF, in essence, provides a secondary water barrier and becomes part of the roofing system. Damage to the deck is limited because there is little or no moisture exposure to the underside of the deck; water damage would be limited to the area around the initial water shedding layer failure and to the area immediate to the seams where water may have channeled."

"Paul Horschel, an SPF contractor in Melbourne, FL, had an interesting experience. Hurricane Francis (2004) blew the shingles off a section of his own home. Shortly thereafter, Paul sprayed ccSPF to the underside of the deck and covered the roof with 30# roofing felt. Hurricane Jeanne (same year) then blew off the felt and this was followed by another storm or two (not hurricanes to the best of my knowledge). There was no water intrusion into the house through the ccSPF. Eventually, Paul demolished the house due to other factors. He kept a portion of the roof deck/truss assembly exposed to the elements at his shop. This assembly has continued to resist water intrusion for several years with only plywood on the exterior and ccSPF on the interior."

 

James Morshead
10:32pm • #7
MAR
20
2008
I must disagree with the statement made by the author of the article that "SPF is compatible with PVC and CPVC..."  We recently had a local incident where exothermic heat from curing SPF caused a CPVC fire-sprinkler pipe to fail.  CPVC pipe manufacturers actually caution against exposure to SPF foam. 
Jim Wilson
3:41pm • #8
MAR
22
2008

Hi

I am interested in using a spray insulation but am getting push back from teh Napa County building Dept who say it does not comply with the 2005 Energy Efficany Standards and with the Burea of Home Furnishings adn Thermal Insulation.  Any thoughts reccomendations?  it is a flat roof instalation with no crawl space or attic. can also reply to napaproject@gmail.com

Thanks

napavines
6:31pm • #9
MAY
06
2008

Hi Kenton,

     Your articles/blog was very informative, thanks.

I am rebuilding (New Const) after a total fire loss in

New England.  My new Roof Structure is a Hip/Valley

configuration, no gables.  I have used  Ice/Water Dam

on  100 %  and 50 yr Arct. Asphault.  Also, included venting

windows and venting skylights in the attic areas.  Further, I have

overhanging roof structure, 360 degs, w/360 deg soffit venting.

     The Ice/Water Dam Insts. indicate that extra venting

is required when used for more than just perimeter covering.

      My Question(s):  Will the use of closed cell spray in foam

cause me concerns ?   Attics are accessable, yet can be

thermolly isolated.   Do I need to add the Wave or other

type of ventilation above the foam, prior to spray in ?

Data:  Roofs:  2x8, 1/2 in CDX.  Attic Floors, 1/2 CDX on

top of 2x12's to room ceilings below.

My e-mail:  dhcost@yahoo.com or Ph ( 401 ) - 368 - 9968

I also have pics available of the const., for a visual.

     I am not a builder, but have been in the trades many

years.  I am rebuilding our home myself, due to lack

of correct insurance, realized after the total loss.

     Thanks for any reply  and / or  assistance.

 Dave

Dave Cost
8:02pm • #10
SEP
14
2008

My potential builder is reluctant to use the closed cell foam, as he claims there would be no way to know if  the roof was leaking and that the water has no place to go, rendering the insulation useless. Another builder expressed similar views. Help!

02/23/2008 10:50 AM by Emily

I asked the same question. It's important that a membrane be correctly installed beneath roofing materials, flashing be correctly installed and that the roof be diligently maintained. A leak may go undetected until it causes significant damage from structural member decay.

12:20pm • #11
AUG
20

Having problem with icynene when sprayed to the attic roof. If I am correct there can be no convection form outside. It seems that the insulation contractor will leave holes in his job which causes HVAC equipement to condensate. In some cases we have added a dehumidafier, In all cases they first blame the HVAC contractor for the mosture problems. How can I get a better understanding on the aplacation of icynene. I understand that when installe in an attic and sprayed to the roof that the atitic must be sealed and un ventalated

HELP

Air conditioning & Heating Inc.
11:54am • #13
OCT
06

DONT USE FOAM.....PERIOD...   The IRC does not even allow foam to be installed like the pictures here anymore.........it used to be a cheat for foam guys to get away with R19 because they label the roof deck as a cathedral ceiling, which old codes would allow R-19.........REALIZING THEIR MISTAKE AND THE DECEPTION BEHIND FOAM INSULATIONS......the IRC,  IECC, EERE have limited the amount of cathedral ceiling you have in your house to 20% or 500sqft which ever is less........... The DOE doesnt even recommend vapor retardeds.......but closed cell foam salesman will tell you it is important......open cell foam is the pretty much the same R-value/ inch as batting, which is just SAD....at 5-10 times the cost.........Foam saleman will tell you that foam is important to seal your house, I own a blower door and have tested MANY NEW HOMES WITHOUT FOAM THAT WERE TOO TIGHT. So tell me foam salesman,,,,,,,,,,if air infiltration isnt a problem, and there are NO R-VALUE GAINS in using your product.......WHY THE FCK ARE PEOPLE THROWING MONEY AT FOAM???  Closed cell has a greater R-VALUE/INCH.......I didnt know we were pressed for room in the attic????? Since you can install 24" of loosefill for the same price as less than 1" of foam, I will take R-60 with loosefill for less money than R-10 closed cell, while NOT taking a HUGE risk with moisture, (like the DOE states, vapor barriers are NOT recommended. Foam installers are fcked..... THANK YOU IRC, IECC, EERE FOR CATCHING FOAM SALESMAN BEFORE THIS BECAME AN EPIDEMIC.

Greg
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