Not being much of a gymnastics fan, I am not an expert.  However, it seemed to me that USA gymnast Alicia Sacramone got cheated on the scoring in the VAULT at Olympics Beijing 2008.

I later listened during a televison interview with Coach Bella Carolla who is opinionated and agreed that Sacramone got cheated.

What do you think?

I admired USA gymnast Alicia Sacramone, who aimed for a medal and redemption after falls several days ago in the the team competition (she won silver there with the team).  She finished fourth today in the vault and out of the bronze.

Cheng Fei of China (bronze medalist) fell to her knees on the second of her two vaults. No matter the mistake, the judges scored her higher that Sacramone. 

Was the higher start value for Cheng Fei the true reason?

The silver medalist, Oksana Chusovitina, now competing for Germany, is 33 years old, taking part in her fifth Olympic Games.  She is a product of the Soviet system, moved to Germany in 2002 to seek medical help for her son who was diagnosed with leukemia.  

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20 Comments on Was USA Gymnast Alicia Sacramone Cheated By Scoring Out of Olympic Bronze on the Vault?

AUG
18
2008

cheating chinese bastards just because it is held in their country (GOOKLAND)  the bitch is probably only 10, revoke her medal and give it to the one who deserves it  alicia from U S A. i loved BELLA'S SPEECH tHIS A INSULT TO THE AMERICANS.

JEANETTE RICHARDSON
8:45am • #1
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Harrison - I totally agreed with Coach Carolla's comments yesterday. Although Alicia's had a lower start value, it should have been clear to the judges that not sticking a landing on the vault, due to falling, does not deserve a medal unless everyone else fell.

11:02am • #2
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Petra:

Thanks for your thoughtful comment at our blog post about Coach Carolla and the USA gymnast who seemed to be cheated out of a bronze.

Harrison, Explore Properties Group

11:14am • #3

Olympic scoring is a subjective topic and open to interpretation by all parties. Points are awarded or not based upon the athletes performance. Sacramone fell on her back after trying in air summersault and ended up laying on her back if I remember correctly. In the end, this is a sports competition and not everyone can win. Coach Corolla is obviously biased and opinionated as he should be. Needless to say unless they protest, the scoring wont be changed!!

1:14pm • #4
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Stephen:

Thanks for your thoughtful comment.  I understand about subjective scoring, and you are correct.  The subject individual event in this situation, however, was the VAULT.  Sacramone did not fall on this individual event.  Sacramone fell several days ago on the HORSE during the team events. 

Harrison, Explore Properties Group

1:37pm • #5

She did not fall!! she performed a beutiful stunt and was CHEATED!

MadAmerican!
1:46pm • #6

Harrison thanks for the correction. We all would have liked Alicia to win. Was there a protest issued in this case? If not why not?

2:09pm • #7

alicia Landed 2 vaults.... on the floor exercise the announcers said that if u fall unless everyone else falls u are out of the medals i assumed that the same principal applied to the vault why was there exception for the chinese i smell something fishy also the italin girl did a worse offense and only stepped out of the boundaries and got a 12.43  she got minus about 2 from every judge but CHing fei completely fell this is an out rage how can u win if u fall and 4th place sacramone who landed 1 perfectly and took a small step which is not even a deduction lose!!!! CHING fuckin got a higher score after her fall then sacramone did when she stuck it gymnastics needs to finally get unbiased judges god damn

miller
2:32pm • #8

alicia Landed 2 vaults.... on the floor exercise the announcers said that if u fall unless everyone else falls u are out of the medals i assumed that the same principal applied to the vault why was there exception for the chinese i smell something fishy also the italin girl did a worse offense and only stepped out of the boundaries and got a 12.43  she got minus about 2 from every judge but CHing fei completely fell this is an out rage how can u win if u fall and 4th place sacramone who landed 1 perfectly and took a small step which is not even a deduction lose!!!! CHING fuckin got a higher score after her fall then sacramone did when she stuck it gymnastics needs to finally get unbiased judges god damn

miller
2:32pm • #9

Harrison I guess some people (Miller & Jeannette included) are really upset about this? why wasnt there a written protest like the one Michael Phelps was involved in?

Miller & Jeannette I think your comments are not given in the olympic spirit and are totally unprofessional. The chinese are not to blame nor the IOC.

3:43pm • #10

To Jeanette Richardson -- I don't think it's fair to call the Chinese "cheating chinese bastards" or to call Cheng Fei a bitch. You're really coming off as a racist, immature blind patriot, or at least to me. This is a problem with the judges, not the host country or the athletes themselves. What can an athlete do--besides take performance enhancing drugs--to make judges give them higher scores? And, to my knowledge, none of the judges are Chinese or represent China in any way.

The only way I can think of for a host country to influence judging is to bribe the judges. This, of course, would open a Pandora's box for them. This would mean all the judges accepted the bribes or there would be inconsistencies in the scoring. What does this say? If all of them gave in their integrity, if none of them surfaced about being bribed, what does this say? It means all the individual countries had rotten choices of judges and that the IOC did a poor job of ensuring the integrity of the games.

I know people are angry and disappointed but loud words aren't going to solve the problem. A protest or petition could work nicely though. I'd like to know how these judges marked them, but I'm just going to give them the benefit of the doubt; and if a problem really exists, I trust the American team will bring up the appopriate questions to the IOC. Hats off to Alicia for keeping her cool.

Anonymous
7:29pm • #11

I'm really not sure how this happened either.  Very strange to me how someone who just flat out fell won a medal.  Also, the gold medal winner stepped out of bounds twice.  Alicia had 2 very solid vaults, and was pushed out of medal contention.  I understand that there is difficulty value involved, but again that raises more questions.  The judges have shown that apparently execution is not as important (falling, stepping out of bounds still gets you medals).  So why not spend 4 years learning the most difficult flips and twists in the gymnastics world?  Perfect those crazy acrobatics in the air!  Don't worry about landing, that's not as important as how hard the vault is.  Just flip your little heart out, land on your knees, back, head, whatever, as long as it looks cool.  Should be guaranteed a medal, if the current trend of judging stays.

Tim
8:28pm • #12
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Tim:

Thanks for your thoughtful note at our blog on Sacramone getting cheated out of her bronze at Olympics Beijing 2008.

Harrison K. Long, Explore Properties Group, Irvine, CA

11:54pm • #13
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Stephen:

I don't know the rules for gymnastics judging and whether or not there was a protest filed on behalf of Sacramone re her cheated out of bronze at Olympics Beijing 2008.

Harrison K. Long, Explore Properties Group, Irvine, CA

11:56pm • #14
AUG
19
2008

Tim Daggert reiterated the various mistakes that the Chinese gymnast performed on the vault.  There were several, not just the final landing on her knee, as well as where one of her hands was placed on the vault and the separated leg on the air (form break).  Therefore, even if her start value was high, with all the mistakes she made, she should have still scored lower than Alicia Sacramone.  Bella Karolyi may be too emotional about the sport but you have to remember that he is very experienced in gymnastics producing winners as Nadia Commaneci, Kerri Strug and Mary Lou Retton. This is why he is very observant of every score, every fall, every mistake, every good form and every good landing.  As far as filing a protest, I too wonder about that.  I certainly hope that they file one because this is what the Olympics are about.  The Chinese already cheated by saying two of their gymnasts are 16.  If they have enough respect for hosting the Olympics they should at least admit to this one being misjudge and give the bronze medal to the one that truly deserved it.

Long time gymnastics fan
12:38am • #15
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Long time gymnastics fan:

Thanks for your thoughtful note at our blog on Sacramone getting cheated out of her bronze at Olympics Beijing 2008.

Harrison K. Long, Explore Properties Group, Irvine, CA

1:49am • #16
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Harrison- I love the gymnastics events but every once in a while the judging does appear to be rather suspect. One thing I'm not so crazy about is that everyone seems to know that it's better to perform later than sooner as the scores tend to increase. For Sacramone, going first cost her a bit. So her two small hops appeared to cost her more than the Cheng Fe's drop to the knees. Also, the winner appeared to land on the line on both her vaults. I can't say this was the Olympic's finest moment. Even to the untrained it appeared that the scoring was a bit off.

9:14am • #17
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Harrison - I am going to say that it was a lot more than just Alicia being cheated.  Cheng Fei might not have even gotten 4th, so it's possible that the 5th place athlete got cheated as well.  As a viewer I was cheated. 

Jeanette - Your comments have no place here or anywhere on AR.  They are racist, vile and inflammatory.  Leaving that aspect of your post aside, it's also important to note that the Chinese did not judge and I'm not sure Cheng Fei is one of the young ones.  There is a HUGE problem with gymnastics judging and unless the Chinese bribed the judges, this can't be pinned on them.

11:47am • #18
AUG
22
2008

I'm sure the level of difficulty plays a large role in the judging and scoring so you can't just say 'oh, but they made a mistake, their mark should be lower!' The more difficult the vault, the higher the mark will be. So contrasting the difficulties and performance, it is possible for someone with poorer performance to score better than someone with a better performance and lower difficulty. Think about it.

6:53pm • #19
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Anonymous, that may have been the case in the past but not anymore.  The new scoring system adds up the score for difficulty and the score for execution.  The total of the two is the final score.  No one is disputing the higher difficulty score, but we all dispute the high execution score.  I'm guessing you didn't watch much of the gymnastics competition or you'd know that.

7:00pm • #20

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