"The best-laid plans of mice and men go oft awry"

- Scottish Poet Robert Burns

When we recently unveiled our new & improved private BETA version of Localism, we implemented an editorial review/approval process to ensure that whatever content was approved and published to the respective Localism pages met some basic criteria. These measures were employed primarily in response to the input of our membership. Back when we first launched our initial version of Localism, a substantial majority of you expressed concerns that this new & exciting consumer-oriented portal, if allowed to go unchecked, could become populated with a lot of sub-par content, and bear a poor reflection on our network. The editorial review/approval process was intended to ensure a consistent level of quality articles for our growing consumer readership.

Unfortunately, as we all know, this process has met with some significant and frustrating challenges. This has been especially true for those of you who have worked so hard and diligently to contribute valuable consumer content to Localism in the past. As a result, it has become very apparent that we need to re-evaluate our intentions/goals, and modify/change our process.

One of the ActiveRain founding principles states:

ActiveRain does not stand on ceremony or hierarchy.  ActiveRain is a two-way street. We believe that a continual conversation with our community is critical to our continued growth and vitality. We are fully committed to incorporating member feedback and ideas to improve ActiveRain.

This is one of those times when this principle clearly applies.

After careful consideration to the concerns and opinions of our membership, we've decided to remove the editorial review/approval process, and allow ALL articles categorized for Localism to show up and remain on their relevant geo-targeted pages.

However, this step is going to place a significant measure of increased responsibility on you, our valued ActiveRain Members, to ensure that whatever content you contribute/publish to Localism reflects your commitment to offering the highest quality information for consumers.

Also, keep in mind the temporary request we made of you a few short weeks ago. Allow me to repeat that request:

Initially, we're asking our members to focus their writing on content that isn't specifically 'real estate related.' Our goal in preparation for the Public Release of Localism is to provide good, local content that is engaging and informative, and will serve to attract consumer readership/participation. In order to achieve this goal, we need to offer a wider variety of consumer-oriented topics, and not just real estate content.

Once we haved gained some traction from consumers, we would expect our members to re-direct their localism posting efforts more towards real estate.

As I have shared on numerous occasions, ActiveRain is truly a collaborative effort. Our continued success depends heavily upon our mutual cooperation and ability to work together in helping Localism achieve its full potential!

 
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109 Comments on Changes to Localism Approved Content

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Wow - great information and I hope everyone reads this... Thanks for the update!

1:56pm • #1
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Betting on the collective good of the people to police themselves, huh? I hope you're right.

P.S. Does posting all your listings on Localism count as "local content"? Please tell me it doesn't...

1:59pm • #2
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Wow that is great to hear. But like you said it does put a lot more pressure on us the peers of Localism to monitor what is going on. Thanks for the great job guys.

2:00pm • #3
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Rich- First off let me say I LOVE the new, new Localism Logo.....how many News are we going to have?  Also, I saw that you guys finally got the layout the way Jon had mentioned....very nice.  And I know of many people that will be pleased with your newest changes.

2:02pm • #4

Rich,  I hate to say this scars the fire out of me.  While I have issues with the editorial process I think it was better than nothing.  I had just accepted it for what it is was.  Now I guess I will have to adjust to the new form.  Thank you for writing this post to let us know of the changes.  I had noticed some junk on Localism this morning and was waiting to see it get scrubbed but now I see it won't.  I will just have to make sure I am writing enough content to keep up.

2:03pm • #5

I hope everyone not only reads this, but follows it a lot better than they did on the original version.  Also a good question from Danlo.  Would be interested to know the answer myself.  Thanks for the post, Rich.

Bill Blair
2:05pm • #6
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Well Rich, I guess I will be one of the few that liked it the old way.  No matter what I will keep writing my way and assume it will all work out!  The good news is we all have YOU to email if we have problems....I"m so sorry but very grateful too!

2:05pm • #7

However, this step is going to place a significant measure of increased responsibility on you, our valued ActiveRain Members, to ensure that whatever content you contribute/publish to Localism reflects your commitment to offering the highest quality information for consumers.

Hi Rich,

You said a whole lot in a few words.  I'm surprised by this decision.  I will watch with great interest.

Respectfully,

Bruce

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2:10pm • #8

Very nice, thanks!

Fran Rokicki, Broker~Mentor
2:13pm • #9
344,612 Points Outside Blog

Does this mean that all the old / former localism posts that have been somewhere in cyberland and never populating the new localism wil now be allowed to populate Localism? Of is this change only going to affect posts going forward from this date?

2:15pm • #10
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Hi, I'm optimistic we can contribute good content without taking up valuable time of others to edit it.  I will say, we should not allow our localism pages to become overridden with listings.  I want my particular community to have great information about my city including school information, events, great places to visit, unique things about it, etc.  I do not want to put listing after listing on it....

 

2:18pm • #11
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Danilo: Listings do not constitute 'local content.' Nothing has change with regards to listings. They will have their own separate tag/link that directs you to a dedicated page.

2:19pm • #12
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Cindy: Listings will not be part of the Localism Community pages. Listings will have their own separate tag/link that will direct you to a separate dedicated page.

2:21pm • #13
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Rich, this is what I love about being here, you guys listen and give such great support. I was just in the process of sending my posts to ya'll in an email that were not in the communities I bought. I will hold off and allow time for them to be there. Glad I looked up and saw your face !! Saved by the bell. blog

2:22pm • #14
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"The best-laid plans of mice and men go oft awry"

I thought that was "The best plan of mice and men is to of'n get laid".

I believe that the goal of non-real estate related content is a lofty goal.  If one is producing a non-real estate related network. 

That said, if the New Localism will be populated with member content and not subjectively edited, I will make a commitment to post non-real estate related articles. . .   from . . .time . . to . . . time.  However, I still want to sell some real estate and posting about yard sales won't sell real estate.

I am a strong proponent in letting the market work.  That will work for politics, the economy and for Localism, if we humans can just give the market time to work. 

As an example, ActiveRain, while we do have moderators, has largely let the membership decide by commenting and the concomitant point system who and what content survived and the members who thrived the quality content.  Unlike other more moderated and narrowly focused forums and blogs, ActiveRain continues to serve the membership and is rewarded with quality content, industry recognition and expansion. 

The same will work with Localism.  Localism will get our content if Localism recognizes that we understand and support the goals.  We are in this adventure together and, while some members benefit more than other from their membership, we are symbiotic.  As long as the symbiosis is positive, we will all benefit.  

I'm looking forward to having a Localism posted where I posted it and Localism will get some non-real estate material from me. . . .  with a tag line and link to Homefinders.com. 

The goal for Localism may be non or less real estate related.  However, unless Localism plans to become a new Craigs List, one suggestion about content contribution would be:

It's a good idea to dance with the guy that brung ya!

2:23pm • #15
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I think this is a good change. I don't know how anyone not from here couild really judge what is or isn't relevant to my area. A lot of the country is that way, spread out, little towns, not like big cities.

I like the new look MUCH better.

And I have a question which I can't seem to get answered: There is a small town 4 miles from my town of Payson, AZ, which incorporated a couple of years ago and is its own town now. An agent in my office is planning to start farming itr, and I want him to post on Ar for it. But on Localism it does not show up as  a town. Can we change that, or do we have to post to it as a community under Payson or what? Here is the town web site to confirm that it is incorporated.

2:24pm • #16

I have mixed emotions on the no review/approve process anymore...I just hope that people use discretion when posting to it now...

2:32pm • #18
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Rich, thanks for the updated information and changes. I am not too in tune with all the hub-bub! I just write and if it is related to my area...events, things to do and local outdoor activities, I post to localism. All other posts stay in the community of ActiveRain....what's the biggy deal?? :) Have a great day!

2:36pm • #19
382,336 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Rich: may active rain continue to grow and improve by leaps and bounds. Keep up the great job

2:38pm • #20
423,651 Points 36 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Rich,

Is this what is known as 'tweaking'...??? Why is it that I can't direct a post to consumers without designating an area??? Look forward to your response! Thanks,   Fran

2:49pm • #21
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I'm nervous.  I hope that the content doesn't suffer.  I think there are some issues with the editorial review, but I don't know that abandoning it is right, either...  Maybe introduce a flagging system...  In any event, anyone that gets content dropped should be told exactly why. 

2:49pm • #22
255,444 Points 44 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I am SO excited to hear this.  Rich, thank you.  Thank everyone for me please. 

 

3:11pm • #23
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Rich,

I understand the policing effort is overwhelming. Some of the AR members who post on localism do not seem to have read any of the guidelines about appropriate content. My thoughts are that every post will be on the outside blog and on localism.

Localism will be cluttered with every post. It will not be less likely to be page that people will subscribe and visit. Posts may still work in search engines, but the localism pages themselves will loose their local appeal.

But so be it.

It may be though that, if the localism pages get too much out of control and do not gain a local loyal following, actual sponsorship will become less meaningful to AR members.

I think that localism page content is important enough to be monitored. There are other options than the editorial staff that had been in effect.

Richard

3:18pm • #24
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Some are happy - some are not - however I agree with what someone just said that the it is sometimes hard for the editors to know what is truly local to the community.  I, for one, will always be watching the areas that I sponsored and those that I could not but will continue to post local content.  If we find something we really don't think is local to the community, do we bring it to the attention of someone?  This way, we are the ones keeping the integetrity of the content.

3:52pm • #25
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RICH

Great news!  I for one think restoring it to the way it was will save you guys a lot of time.   Thanks Rich for the 100% dedication you put into Localism and ActiveRain. 

3:55pm • #26
146,976 Points

Interesting debate. I think we will be fine as 99% of AR has good content and I think Localism will be the same. Lots of good, hardworking people here!!

4:13pm • #28

Great news!

 

Thanks

4:30pm • #29

That is great news.  Thanks for everything.

4:31pm • #30
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Lenn's just jealous. She wishes that SHE had picked up my Coke machine for twenty bucks at a tag sale. Rich, I can't get old localism posts to a specific area, redirecting them. I'm so frustrated that I might have to go get a beer out of my Coke machine. I have one about Greenport businesses, and no matter how hard I hit the key after entering "greenport localism", nothing happens. As it's my only one for the area, and nothing is on the page, WHAT AM I MISSING?

Off to find a dime.

4:37pm • #31
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Jonathan should be concerned about creating the public perception that AR management doesn't think things through and simply makes it up as they go along.  If member feedback was enough to completely alter their approach so quickly and dramatically, obviously they should have solicited more input from members prior to publishing their plans.  If I had chosen to sponsor a neighborhood based on the promise that Localism would have quality content rather than spam, I would view this announcement as a "bait and switch" on that promise.  As for eliminating moderation, Albert Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."  This approach was tried before and it failed miserably.  I'm curious to know what has changed that would lead anyone to believe it will succeed this time.

4:47pm • #32
123,008 Points

Good news. We've had a lot of relevant material removed, with some realtor posts seemingly favored over others...so nice to see a hopefully more balanced approach...

5:03pm • #33
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Warning:  Unpopular opinion ahead...

So if someone wants to write about the local strip club that can get published??

I understand that if localism takes off that monitoring will be problematic, but maybe you could have "trusted neighbor status" or something.  There are those who will consistently write excellent content for Localism and it makes no sense to monitor their posts.  So maybe after someone has proven themselves, then can be "free" to publish without monitoring. I think you are crazy for not monitoring posts.

While the criteria are subjective and sometimes weird, I still think the "old" way was better than this way. You are setting the tone for what you want Localism TO BE.  The rest of the community will look at our posts for guidance for what to publish.  I've had posts "pulled" which is fine, because then I can rework them more in the flavor of what you want for the site. 

I'm a big enough girl to admit everything I write is not stellar.  Why allow me to give you subpar content? 

Either you have a vision or you don't.  I thought I was clear on the vision of Localism and now am not so sure.  While I appreciate the "democratic" nature of AR, I think taking this strategy with Localism is a mistake.  Localism is not about the AR community.  Yes we are "helping" you launch it and yes we all have various feelings about it.  I for one would appreciate it if you could take a stance and stick with it for a while.  I'm not sure I want to sponsor lack luster material.

5:17pm • #34
296,315 Points 16 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Rich, as always Active Rain are always trying to meet the needs and wants and desires of 100,000 plus real estate professionals. I haven't really paid much attention to this new Localism, but feel I generally write interesting and relevant information for the public in and around my area. There will always be those with different opinions, but I think that consumers benefit from all of the informative posts written for their areas.....good job! ;-)

Pepper

5:37pm • #35
112,099 Points 15 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I see both sides the good & the bad.  I think you're damn if you do and your damned if you don't.  I do like the new lay out!

5:41pm • #36
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Rich, I guess we'll have to wait and see how this will work out. I would be very optimistic about folks "self policing" except I guess I've been here too long:) Maybe you guys just need to pass out some of those "smite" buttons :)

5:43pm • #37
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Ok, now I'm really disappointed!  I guess the wall of word posts that are copied straight from NAR handouts will soon show back up :(

6:06pm • #38
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Bryant, AR already tried the "trustees police the prisoners" approach.  The trustees got accused of favoritism, which is going to happen when your policies aren't clear and your moderators are exposed to personal scrutiny. 

Ideally AR would use the sponsorship money to hire moderators who have no connection to the personalities on AR and no conflict of interest in terms of competing with them in real estate related fields.  Those moderators would enforce the rules by bumping posts back to "draft" and citing the rule that was broken in an anonymous email to the member.  The member could then 1) modify the post and resubmit it, 2) delete it, or 3) complain to a higher authority. 

The higher authority should consist of a panel of three moderators where majority rules.  That's above and beyond fair and it's not difficult to program (checkboxes for various rules and a suspend button which generates the email and cites the checked rules), but it takes the will to accept being accused of censorship.  For Localism to work, it has to be censored moderated.  As long as the rules are the same for everyone and their is a review procedure, no one can raise a legitimate complaint with the process.

If you want to monetize Localism, you have to think about consumers first and members second.  You can't please everyone, so you need to ask "what is going to help my members use Localism to generate more business?" and act accordingly.  Sucking up to members won't impress consumers.

6:12pm • #39
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I am just going with the flow. I was excited that there was going to be a standard. I understand the reason behind this but still would like to see some type of "report system". I don't want to see the wrong posts on Localism. There are so many crappy posts now on the new Localism I am shocked. I just wish people would read what localism is and look at some of the featured articles for a guideline. I am so over selfish people and that is who posts crap to Localism - I have no idea why except to get that top neighbor spot since that is not point based.

6:37pm • #40

No Editorial Review or Approval Process ?

I think this is a mistake.  I have already seen cartoon characters, agents personal photos, and Realtor logos uploaded to the pictures section.

Also, do contributors "authors" know they are posting to what is intended to be a public site?  I am seeing business advertisements and comments directed to other real estate professionals such as "Who is your buyer?"  I don't think they know when they check the box where their post is headed.

Localism may become one big smorgasbord.

 

6:42pm • #41
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Those moderators would enforce the rules by bumping posts back to "draft" and citing the rule that was broken in an anonymous email to the member.  The member could then 1) modify the post and resubmit it, 2) delete it, or 3) complain to a higher authority. 

I think this is a great idea.

6:45pm • #42
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Jo, you're right, it's probably to get the top neighbor spot.  The upshot is that when consumers find them through Google and see an advertisement or a bunch of stuffed keywords and cynical links, they will probably click the back button and look for someone else.  Lousy content doesn't generate quality leads and consumers are getting much smarter about how they search the internet.

6:53pm • #43
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I agree that we should strive to post the highest quality content that is tagged for Localism, but the ultimate arbiter is the consumer:  they have the power of "Click"

7:07pm • #45
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Rich- You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. (pardon the paraphrasing.) 

I applaud your efforts for trying to please the "vocal" members of ActiveRain.  It is impressive, how responsive AR is to member's requests, needs and problems.  In spite of those contributors that try to game the system, cut and paste their blogs, or simply post drivel, the success of AR has to do with the overwhelming amount of quality information, posted.  Hopefully, once you work out the kinks, Localism will also rise to that standard.  If it doesn't, I trust we will see another post from you named, "New Changes to Localism Approved Content."

7:11pm • #46
248,348 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

As soon as I read this I figured you guys were in for another long discussion.  Thank you, as always, for all that you do to make this site terrific.  I will continue trying to post the best information I can about my corner of the world.

7:24pm • #47
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Melina:  We will continue to provide moderation for Localism. Content that is inappropriate for the platform will be addressed, just as it always has been. The onus is on our members to help set the bar and provide other members with examples of quality local content. The motivation will be upon each of us to consistentlypopulate our respective communities with articles that offer value.

7:30pm • #48
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I haven't been bloggin in the Rain all that long and was really exited about this project, but now feeling let down. I'm afraid this is going to be a big free for all mess because it will be the members who don't take the time to read your posts or the comments from others who will just do what the hell they want. I'll go with the flow and just see what happens.

7:36pm • #49
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Hi Rich...I am going back to check all the blogs I have sent to Localism and will be removing any that do not deal with the local area. 

I know that there are some real estate posts there that I will be taking off and that will spur me to get busy writing more that deal with Lake Anna and the areas around here.  What the heck, I don't want a big blank there.  I have too much pride in my location to not do it justice. 

You all do everything you can to make the Rain and localism the best you can so it's up to us to do what we can on our part.

Thanks for your open minds and willingness to listen.  That is exactly why Active Rain is successful and why we have to conduct our business that way also.

Thanks,

Kate

 

7:37pm • #50
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Thank you so much to Active Rain for listening to your members. You show the true meaning and set the example for great customer service. While some will probably take advantage of this there are many more who truly take their business, their writing and integrity to heart and we WILL continue to write valuable information that reflects the true light of Active Rain.

Finally, I can start blogging again !

7:45pm • #51

Is the real reason for the switch because the moderators got sick of reading all of my "Market Reports" and they quit?

7:47pm • #52
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Boooo, I have to agree with Dave Thomas' comments above.  There is a lot of crap on these pages that are intended for public use.  I ignore them when they're on AR, but if they were displayed in my neighborhood section I would be embarrassed to be posted next to them.  I don't think that moderating every post is the best use of your resources, but you should at least encourage agents to self police and report offensive, inappropriate or just plain useless posts.  Once a member has one post flagged, pull the next couple of posts to make sure they understood. 

8:14pm • #53
193,283 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I agree with what Frank said. I can't believe this is what you've decided, to open the floodgate & just let everything rush in regardless of content.  I was a lofty idea on your part to believe that the amount of information could be properly monitored.  I know you will work it out to our benefit in the end.

8:37pm • #54
140,857 Points 13 Featured Posts

Rich-my example was extreme, but I still think that you need to have new members of Localism have posts reviewed before they get posted even once.

8:45pm • #55
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This is for those that have commented about seeing inappropriate material on localism:

I have been working the past couple weeks to remove ALL my posts from Localism ... for my own reasons. I edited each and every post to uncheck the Localism box. I also unchecked the Active Rain box as well. The only box I left checked was the Outside Blog box. My plan was to have my posts show ONLY on the outside AR blog.

Guess what! After all that work, all my posts are still included next to my Localism profile. It seems that we can't "opt-out" of Localism even if we want to. I feel like my posts are being held hostage by Localism.

What that tells me is that if we post something, whether the Localism box is checked or not, the post will still appear there whether we want it there or not.

9:27pm • #56
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I hope that this will work out.  three seem to be those who will work hard to contribute good content and others who will just post junk!  I think perhaps you can spot check things and see how this new policy works out.

9:28pm • #57

One thing which is a bit odd to me about this new policy is that it seems that people should be encouraged to write about their areas of expertise.  Since our primary area of professional expertise is real estate, that seems like the best topic for us to be writing about!  Do people really want to hear about my recent experiences shopping for a gym, or clubs I belong to?  I suppose it's local but I'm not so sure of the purpose in blogging about them... I am much more of an authority on real estate than on many other things.

9:30pm • #58
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Elaine, I am sorry you are having trouble removing your posts. I have written a couple of posts in the last couple of weeks that were not to go to Localism - I didn't check that box and they never went to Localism.

Carlyn, Localism is a different way to blog to consumers. It is a way to show you know the area, to help people who are relocating, to encourage "neighborhood" dialog and build relationships with in a community. These "neighbors" will become part of my sphere and then I will be able to share my real estate expertise on a different level with them.  It's not about me - its about them.

9:42pm • #59
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There is a very important thread in the comment stream that I would like to have addressed.  I was looking forward to establishing a strip club entertainment community and posting hours worth of research to Localism.  Are you saying that all of my plans are for naught?

9:44pm • #60
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Elaine, the only way I was able to remove my posts from Localism was to delete them from my AR blog, but obviously you would need to keep copies of them and repost them (without checking Localism) if you still wanted them to appear in your AR blog and/or your "outside" blog. 

Alternatively you could send a list of posts you wish removed from Localism to Bob Stewart.  I believe he offered to provide that service several weeks ago since a mechanism to allow you to remove your own posts from Localism had not yet been implemented.  Any update, Rich?

9:59pm • #61
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Jo Soss: have you checked your Localism profile page to make sure those posts aren't there?

9:59pm • #62
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Frank: The last couple posts I added did NOT have the Localism nor the AR box checked. They still ended up appearing in my Localism profile page.

BTW, I sent an email to Bob this afternoon.

10:02pm • #63
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Elaine, Yes I have. I wrote a  post about getting into the fair for free and I didn't want it to go to Localism so I didn't check the box and it didn't go. It is on my outside AR blog and my AR blog but not on Localism

10:04pm • #64
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Jo, very interesting. I wrote a post on agency disclosure that I didn't want to show on Localism, and was surprised to see it there. Wonder why the inconsistency!

10:11pm • #65

Rich,

Here's a strong case for keeping Localism focused on local information:  Yesterday morning I received a cell phone call from a lady in Washington who liked my blog on McMinnville, Oregon's UFO festival so well that she just had to call and tell me about it.  She had emailed it to several people and she planned to take a trip down here next year to take it in.  In addition, she is a native of our state and hopes to be moving back within a few years. A possible client? Referral?

There are many, many places to wade through the overabundance of real estate listings and I would think Localism public viewers will be more apt to keep reading if they find fun and informative posts about our areas that may entice them to consider relocating here.  From a consumer's standpoint information from us without a sales pitch is refreshing, I'm sure.

I'm all for maintaining the quality, integrity and original intent of Localism.com

Jean Elmore, GRI, e-PRO
Coldwell Banker Executive Realty
McMinnville, OR
jean@jeanelmore.com

 

10:29pm • #66
143,820 Points 7 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Rich,

Thanks for the post and the unveiling of the changes to localism. I have no doubt that the membership will move it forward in a manner in keeping with the demonstrated commitment to ActiveRain.

10:29pm • #67
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If I've understood this post correctly, I'm really surprised and disappointed that the AR Team is taking a hands-off approach to Localism content. Holding bloggers somewhat accountable for writing quality content was one thing that raised the bar for Localism. Without some kind of proactive central focus, there will never be a clear vision of what the site can be.

10:52pm • #68
276,047 Points 15 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Thanks for the update. I think I can tie some real estate into a blog that makes it a not in your face article. Think its a good change.

On a local note. New Orleans is the only town in Orleans Parish. The city and county are one in the same. There are areas and neigborhoods. Just bringing this to your attention.

 

10:57pm • #69
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I think it'sa lofty goal, but it would be nice if some blog entries weren't just cut & pasted from city event calendars. I believe some people just blog for the points and web juice without focus on writing good content. 

11:33pm • #70
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Obviously, it was too onerous a task to review every blog.

My burning issue is that a city from another county continues to be on page one of my county's Localism site. Bummer, and people who don't even reside within hundreds of miles are "neighbors."

I continue to think by ignoring the creativity and wisdom of members before designing something new does not make a whole lot of sense, but I have been wrong plenty of times before, so we shall see how this all shakes out.

11:34pm • #71
2 Featured Posts

I forgot to add that I am anxiously awaiting the response above about the process to delete Localism posts. Please advise how this can be done.

11:40pm • #72
226,895 Points 29 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

so our market report style reporting will still hold muster? lets hope so, otherwise we're dead in the water. 

hope to have something new up soon... had to get teleprompter software up and running today for it. what a gas...

best

11:51pm • #73
AUG
21
2008
124,568 Points 3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

I posted market trends for my specific city (that I have sponsored) and it was taken off.  In order for the public to see that post now they have to follow a link to my blog and look for it (and of course there is no reason to do that because they don't know it's there).  That is not why I posted it.  I thought it would be of particular interest to those thinking of buying or selling in that city.  Will things like that be put back onto Localism?  Can we have a button that links to market reports on our community sites so that people can figure out where to find them?  Thanks!

12:38am • #74
Localism Sponsor

I have purchased 3 areas but I don't see my positions is any different then other realtors. Why we need to buy or support areas? please let me know. Thanks!

Grace

1:11am • #75
7 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Rich...

I will do my very best and take the responsibility seriously.  The 2 Localism post I'm working on now are both non real estate related.  One is the Texas Active Rain Members gathering, Jason Crouch birthday, and another is about the Water Park in Cinco Ranch.

One question, I checked Texas and I'm not listed there, but have posted to just TX.

So when I don't want a blog to go to a city or subdivision, how do I make sure it doesn't?  I know not to add anything but the state, but in the title and tags there are names of cities/subdivisions?

This would help me a lot, Liz

2:10am • #76
487,277 Points 84 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

I have a hard time writing touchy feely stuff.  I must prefer writing about real estate.  I will try to write some non-real estate articles.

3:13am • #77
608,832 Points 59 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

I am disappointed.  I will wait and see because what else is there to do?

6:08am • #78
408,296 Points 74 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Interesting...I'm surprised it changed so now what will happen? I'm trying to mix the two together anyway.

7:09am • #79
427,329 Points 47 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Hi Rich well I guess the monkey will be off your back and you will be left with listening to a lot less whining.

7:33am • #81
608,832 Points 59 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

will this change decrease the whining?

Don't you think people will be whining about what everyone else locally is posting MORE? About the way Localsim looks?  Just a different group of whiners?

7:46am • #82
352,129 Points 22 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

I'm a patient man.  I'm interested to see what the net result is.  I'm on the sidelines with 2 communities, but we'll see if I actually get in the game.

8:51am • #83

I'm disappointed. When I started blogging back in January of 2008, I was a little discouraged as I was thousands of points behind other Realtors in my area who had been at it for a while.

But, I kept blogging about our area and when the changes to Localism happened, I soon became a top neighbor. I was so excited and this enticed me to blog even more.

Now I'm wondering what will happen. Will top neighbor positions go back to those with the most points?

Also, I looked at the new format of Localism this morning and liked the previous format much better. When you click on our state or city, you have to scroll through an entire blog to see the next post. I liked it much better when a number of blog titles were featured. It's doubtful that consumers will take the time to scroll through entire articles to get to the 5th or 6th post.

10:00am • #84

My guess is that the folks at AR have realized there is simply no way to muster the necessary manpower to provide vast editorial oversight.

I do not think relying on folks to refrain from turning this ito a cyberspace dumping ground is going to work. You know the public, especially, when this is opened up are going to upload all kinds of content, including massive SPAM. Sure AR can kill of offfending IP addresses, but sophisticated operators will step right around that regaining access through, say, a TOR portal.

What might work is having some sort of alert link icon (!)  embedded in the corner of all posts whereby AR members can click/log in and report content which seems particularily egregious or patently inappropriate. That would require a lot less manpower to administer on the part of AR.

10:01am • #85
199,338 Points 6 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Thanks for the information - I am sponsoring several communities in my area, and I have been working on quality blog posts for each of the areas!!!!

10:10am • #86
368,429 Points 23 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I definitely can understand that the manpower to edit Localism could bankrupt a small nation... I wouldn't want to do it (well, maybe for a day)... but I would have a lot more confidence in the probability of self editing if the Dallas Localism didn't feature content that includes religious based humor (even when funny to some, it can be offensive to others), requests to AR agents for professional advice, a poll about wearing pantyhose, agent-specific tips on evaluating buyer behavior, listings, posts with no content other than a list of keywords and random non-locally focused topic posts (with no personal perspective or content) on pop-culture. 

Without some control over the content I fear that is will become (or has become) a site that I (and other agents) would be less likely to promote to people we know as an informational resource. I see huge potential in Localism, but I fear without tighter content or topic control the potential will be lost because users of the site will not want to weed through the off-topic and inappropriate content to get to the stuff they came there for. 

10:32am • #87
608,832 Points 59 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

wow I want to read Dallas now...  Women in Dallas may have a different outlook on reading about wearing panythose or not wearing pantyhose than a fella would.  Depending on how it's written it may be the perfect local piece for some readers but I will reserve judgement until I read it.   Then again what does my opinion matter as I am a Zillion miles away...  The agent to agent stuff that shows up on Localism makes me scratch my head.

 

10:39am • #88
2 Featured Posts

Well Rich, I was told at a very young age in my career that "if you don't make some mistakes, your not trying hard enough", "The only bad mistakes are the ones we don't correct and move on" Sam Walton  So, the worst that can be said about this is that you have acted just like Mr. Sam would have.  That's not so bad.

11:05am • #89

Hi Rich,  I thank you for your continued work with Localism.  I too can see both sides of the issue.  Now let's see how Localism evolves into the great vehicle that we all hope it will become.

Janie

2:32pm • #90

Thanks for posting! This was a very informative post!

Have a great week!

2:55pm • #91
9 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Question -- how does this change how the topneighbors are decided?  I have seen a few things that I found, well, wrong.  Can you please clarify?

10:36pm • #92
245,155 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Rich,

It's great that AR listens to the membership and then makes adjustments as is needed. That makes a team. To keep some sort of editorial control might still be better than total freedom to post.

11:18pm • #93
644,298 Points 104 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

Rich, we should police ourselves and it would be great if you had a spam alert button on the bottom of each localism post like the flag feature on the AR posts. That way we can snitch on those buggers that like to spam and game the system. As you open this up to consumers it would be naive to believe that spammers are not lurking there to jump on.

11:19pm • #94
423,379 Points 81 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

The comments here prove once again that you can't please all the people all the time!  That being said, I am so grateful that you (ActiveRain) are responsive to members input and willing to tweak the plan based on thoughtful input of respected members.  Even if someone disagrees, now, we know it was an informed choice rather than just a theoretical one.  I know my son's business would not be nearly as successful if he and his partners had not modified their business plan a few times along the way.

My question:  Market Studies, Listings...   will they appear in separate sections, as they did in the original Localism, or just go into the one big section at the time they're posted?

11:29pm • #95
AUG
22
2008
227,104 Points 22 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Oh, heavens... I'm so behind in all of this.  What's the saying... under the bus?  Yep, that feels about right.  I'll have to wait to comment on the review process until I can delve into it more. 

2:40am • #96
2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Thanks for lettings us know about the changes.

Here's another question......

How do we get the MAPS working and or corrected on our Localism?- Is there any way we can correct them?   Our  STATE, County, City, Neighborhood, Community maps are wrong or don't located at all.    I.e., The State of Idaho is wrong, Kootenai County is wrong, Coeur d'Alene, Hayden and a bunch of others.

3:42am • #97
120,230 Points

Rich:

What happened to Localism.com and our purchase of geo areas? I several weeks ago logged on, purchased and paid for area, Irvine, CA.  When I tried to log back in yesterday, it said I don't own any areas?  What?

It also would not allow me to post photos?  Your thoughts?

If you want to respond off line, my email is HKLong@cox.net. Thanks.

Harrison

11:55am • #98
201,920 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Rich, Wow no pre-emptive moderation?

I agree with Dave Thomas who says:

"No Editorial Review or Approval Process ?

I think this is a mistake.  I have already seen cartoon characters, agents personal photos, and Realtor logos uploaded to the pictures section.

Also, do contributors "authors" know they are posting to what is intended to be a public site?  I am seeing business advertisements and comments directed to other real estate professionals such as "Who is your buyer?"  I don't think they know when they check the box where their post is headed.

08/20/2008 06:42 PM by Dave Thomas (William Pitt Sotheby's International Realty)

And a big Amen to my friend John's concerns:

"If I've understood this post correctly, I'm really surprised and disappointed that the AR Team is taking a hands-off approach to Localism content. Holding bloggers somewhat accountable for writing quality content was one thing that raised the bar for Localism. Without some kind of proactive central focus, there will never be a clear vision of what the site can be."

08/20/2008 10:52 PM by John Novak - Las Vegas and Henderson NV Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace)

Steve Shasky makes some very valid points:

Without some control over the content I fear that is will become (or has become) a site that I (and other agents) would be less likely to promote to people we know as an informational resource. I see huge potential in Localism, but I fear without tighter content or topic control the potential will be lost because users of the site will not want to weed through the off-topic and inappropriate content to get to the stuff they came there for. 

08/21/2008 10:32 AM by Steve Shatsky - Dallas Real Estate & Short Sale Specialist (Keller Williams-Dallas City Center)
 
   

My 2 cents:

 Please reconsider!  Its a lot smarter to keep the car off the train tracks than clean up the carnage after!

Ginger

3:04pm • #99

Hi Rich:  It's a nice sidestep from the 'It's all about Real Estate' blogs.  I've been reading lots of Localism posts lately and must say that the content is great!

6:12pm • #100

Rich,

Way to take a diplomatic approach to this. Opinions will always vary, It's not easy walking the line.

11:30pm • #101
AUG
23
2008
402,204 Points 16 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

This looks to me to be a good move on the part of Active Rain.  A subjective editorial process is both labor intensive and doomed to be criticized. 

9:38am • #102
255,444 Points 44 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Rich, are there bugs again with Localism?

A nice neighborhood post was originally on Localism for my sponsored area (Chesterfield Township MI) and now it is not.  (This happened after the approved content change).  I've double checked the post, it is marked correctly for that area.

Edit:  Sorry Rich, I should have included the url to the specific post.  Here it is: http://activerain.com/blogsview/629360/Harbor-Drive-Chesterfield-Township

10:22am • #103
AUG
26
2008
255,442 Points 34 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Rich, this is just such a different "mind set" than we've all had for so long it's difficult to adjust to for most. Now, I have never been a Hard Core writer such as Lenn so it's easier for me I think. I can write RE but it's so much more fun not too! I love to read about it but when my fingers begin to peck the keyboard I end up wanting to write something fun.

Fun is good for the Localism posts. Fun makes the business owners feel good and the locals love it too. Fun is a powerful word. So, let's have fun.

Thank you for all you put up with!

Later in the rain~Deb

10:03pm • #105
AUG
27
2008
680,665 Points 145 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

Rich - well I am late to the party on this one. Must have missesd this on one of the many recent late nights. I have mixed feelings, as do others. I applaud the fact that AR is listening to its members, and the push to have a broader range of posts submitted to Localism. Without the review process, I suspect we will see much more of the sort of stuff that potentially detracts from the credibility of the site...I hope not, but the past is a good indicator of the possibility, now without any sort of moderation.

While AR hopes that after they get good traction members will refocus their efforts on more real-estate focused writing, what is the incentive for doing so? If folks can post what they want, without any review, is there any reason to think that members will all take a more focused approach and provide a greater proportion of RE articles? Maybe I am just pessimistic but I am doubtful. The ones who now focus on this will continue, those who do not will not, especiall since their articles get posted no matter what. And perhaps, in the long run, it doesn't matter. What will be will be. For this writer, well, I will continue as I have.

That being said, I am pleased to see the continued progress and change, and we all benefit from the willingness of AR to take member input into consideration. Time will tell how the new Localism will work.

Jeff

1:01am • #106
209,963 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

This is a tough one. Let me explain.

1. If content is not policed, much more junk will filter through which as many have stated will bring the credibility of localism down a notch.

2. Not having to moderate,  gives, what i'm guessing is taking up all their time right now, the Active Rain staff the ability to spend more time on higher prioritized items such as developing Localism as to allow it to go public.

3. Having neutral moderators (*picked at will, joe blow, volunteers) take over this job will lead (ultimately) to favoritism.  I have personally been involved with such a process for the past 5 years and it never pans out differently.  Moreover, no moderator EVER sticks 100% to the rules because they will eventually get to know each one of you, and, this is just part of human nature, bias will occur.(see **) Therefore this is a nice idea but won't work in my opinion. UNLESS: see conclusion paragraph. (#3, is based solely on the opposite situation as ** ).  * - this constitutes why in my opinion it won't work.

4. Localism is not about YOU, it's about the community. Therefore in the end, any irrelevant posts will probably end up being ignored anyways.  But therein lies the danger.  We would need some kind of policy in place to be able to delete these things, or flag them for possible obscene or irrelevant material. but then once again, it would, under that scenario, be up to the active rain staff to moderate it which they have said they wouldn't do (don't have the time to do). 

5. Knowing localism will eventually be open to the public, these things WILL happen anyways, especially and since, if taking an educated guess, members will be allowed to post without being a member (as now). 

So in conclusion, here's our take:

Let these things work themselves out in what seems to be a democratic process, meaning, active rain is willing to listen to your thoughts and comments on this on a regular basis and IS doing what they think is best based on majority vote.  I'm sure these guys have a similar background and dealing either with forums, other blogs or some kind of bulletin board, probably how they got the idea of Active Rain in the first place, meaning, they know what is going to work and what isn't and are trying at their best to make as many of you happy as possible. But as many stated above, you can't please everyone all the time.  Therefore some of you will see your grand plans diminish and others will see doors open with this move.  All in all, the best blogs, forums, and community sites all have some kind of neutral moderatorship which, at best, directs the staff how to proceed.  In other words, ** when the Active Rain staff is finished working out the kinks with Localism (probably not for another year), then they'll have a better handle on things and will be able to recruit neutral moderators (seasoned veterans on active rain) who have had a history of being unbiased, liked by all, and have proven they are capable of the job.  

there's our 5 cents.

 

10:38am • #107
232,037 Points 39 Featured Posts Outside Blog

My $.02 on "traction" is that I have gotten tons of "hits" on Pottery Barn Paints.  It is by far the most searched keyword of any post I've written and brings me the most eyes on my blog..  The post was real estate oriented, but I thought mentioning this may help some understand the reason for material that provides better traction.

Large brand names worked into a real estate post, that belong there of course, can be an answer to better tractions combined with real estate posts.  Kohler Faucets, your trip to Lowe's to get something to help get a listing ready for market or to make a repair from the inspection.  There are many ways to blend traction into a meaninful ral estate post.

4:03pm • #109
SEP
08
2008
2 Featured Posts

I just sent you a question about this via the "contact activerain" button. No need to answer no that I have found the post

7:57am • #110

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