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Take a risk & miss a mortgage payment for relief?

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bad adviceWARNING !!!  WARNING !!! WARNING !!!  Beware of others giving you bad advice. Now, this is not the law, this is just my opinion and my advice.

Lately, I have received a few phone calls from either past clients or from consumers reading my posts. They are telling me that they are being contacted by loss mitigation specialists. And these so-called people are telling them to miss a mortgage payment, so that they can go back to their current lender in order to modify their mortgage, to help lower their rate and payment.  Let's dissect this first.

 

common sense

 

  • Common sense tells me to always pay my bills on time, no matter what. Right?
  • What guarantee do I have if I do miss this payment, that my current lender will modify my loan? Doesn't missing a payment tell everyone that I am having difficulty and that I am more of a risk? Does saving $100 extra a month limit my risk?  I don't think so, especially not in this economy.
  • The big question would be the person calling me, giving me this advice. What's in it for them? How do they get paid? Well, many of them ask you for one or two payments upfront, to put into an escrow account. And they take part of that. There are some variations.

 

 

good advice

My advice?  I don't what care what promises they make. I even don't care if it did work for someone once. Again, there is no possible guarantee. And if you have noticed, these companies and individuals have been popping up more and more each and every month. My .02?  Just another way to make a quick buck. What's the old saying?  Desperate people will do desperate things.

Keep in mind, your mortgage is public information. From what I am finding out, the people that are being targeted most are those that have subprime mortgages, especially those with 2/28 arms, that will increase in rate shortly. And many of these companies are targeting areas such as Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Florida, California, and a few other states. Why? Because these are the states with the highest foreclosure rates.

My advice?  Do your research. Speak to your lawyer. Get opinions, but don't jump the gun, looking for a quick fix, just because someone over the phone made a promise or guarantee. Because that just doesn't exist in this industry.

 

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Sandra Cummings
William Raveis Real Estate - Guilford, CT
Real Estate Agent, Guilford Connecticut

Wow - this is just plain scary. Why would you take advice from some unknown person who calls you on the phone?

Aug 22, 2008 12:27 AM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

Jeff, Ok I have heard the same thing on short sales, you must have missed some payments  before they will talk to you. Is this not true?

If a persons home has depreciated, they need to sell, but can't sell because they can't sell for what is owed on their home, have good jobs, good credit, but are transfered, what are they do to?

The market is the only reason the home can't be listed at what they owe, not the client.

But, the loss mitigation dept says, you can't sell short until you have missed some payments.

What say you?

Aug 22, 2008 12:39 AM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

Personally, I would never advise or heed to someone's advice to miss a mortgage payment.  What Missy mentions above, I have heard of happening though.  I have a few folks I'm working with now that I can't refinance and I got on a conference call with their mortgage servicer, asking for a loan modification.  They've never missed a beat with their mortgage payments and they are getting the loan modification documents in the next day or two.  Perhaps I'll write a post on it when it is settled...

Aug 22, 2008 01:19 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

RANDY.... I truly agree, hence why I decided to write this. Hey, I am sure it has worked for some, to get the lender to modify their mortgage. But that to me sounds like a very, very huge risk. And if it doesn't work?  Now your credit is screwed up.  Yes, scary.

JOHN.....  It was from a separate company. And I should have made that clear, which I will change. It's one thing that the phone call comes from the same lender, but from an outside company?  Major risk in my opinion. Nobody even has control within their own company, let alone outside.

And yes, there are programs to help people, but they need to be late. But those are even dangerous. Take the FHA Secure loan. You need to be late after your arm adjusted, not prior. But even if you do qualify for this program, the rates are about 1/2 percent higher than normal rates.  It's just scary out there..

 

PENNY...... I need to clarify part of my post. This wasn't about short sales, but companies calling you up, telling you to miss a payment or two, so they can call your mortgage companies loss mitigation department, to help you modify your current mortgage.  To many "ifs" involved.

RON....   yea, I don't truly understand the theory... if I am having trouble and I tell you... but you tell me that I need to miss a few payments before they would help, what guarantee would I have?  Gee, if this was the case, why do we have so many foreclosures?  I know one reason.. lack of education.  But I also see a lot of poor advice.

SANDRA.... well, when people hear words such as "guarantee" and "I promise"....  and they are backed into a corner, people will do or try most anything... at least in my opinion.

MISSY..... you would know more about short sales than myself.  I have closed a few of these transactions when people were buying them, but that's about it.  And I truly understand about getting the lender to accept a lesser amount, so the house could be sold. But these are companies calling up a consumer, telling them to miss some mortgage payments, so they can modify their mortgage, making their payment cheaper.  Scary.... and very risky in my opinion.

JASON.....  yes, write a post on it.. and you are welcome... lol   Seriously, that is part of my whole point. You have companies working with people that haven't missed a payment. The stuff that I talk about above, is widespread and happening more than we are hearing about.  I know part of this, because I have already spoken to a handful of consumers calling me, asking me if this is a good idea.  rut row...

 

Aug 22, 2008 01:38 AM
Larry Bettag
Cherry Creek Mortgage Illinois Residential Mortgage License LMB #0005759 Cherry Creek Mortgage NMLS #: 3001 - Saint Charles, IL
Vice-President of National Production

This is assinine.  I can't believe:

a)  People would call and give this advice;

b)  People would actually follow that advice.

It really has happened.....

Aug 22, 2008 01:54 AM
Audrey June-Forshey
RE/MAX Realty Services - Darnestown, MD
GRI, Gaithersburg, MD

Wow, it never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to for a buck.  That is just criminal and the sad part is that there are the same gullible people that signed up for all of these crazy loans and believed some unscrupulous lenders.  Good for you for sending this warning out.  Maybe I will re-blog this to get the word out to even more folks. 

Aug 22, 2008 01:56 AM
Dave Woodson
Dave Woodson - Chesterton, IN
Not the Average Agent

If we all had common sense, I am not sure we would be in this situation

Dave

Aug 22, 2008 02:26 AM
Jennifer Monroe
Indigo Home Team powered by Compass - Charlotte, NC
Real Estate REALTOR®/Broker/Designer

After reading the comments, I have to say that the moment I hear "I promise" and "I guarantee", the deal falls apart and I walk. Those words alone should frighten any consumer, but especially when being advised to do something as potentially stupid as this. Yikes!

Aug 22, 2008 02:38 AM
Bo Hussung
Bell Title /Triserv LLC - Nashvle, TN

Jeff, I know you are not kidding, but I am prompted to ask....ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Geez, the lengths people will go to make money (or steal it in this case). I am absolutely floored by what people will do  by taking advantage of another persons desparity just to make a buck. Buyer /Consumer beware!

There is always an honest way to make a living and the first rule shou,ld always be take care of people and their needs.

Bo

Aug 22, 2008 02:39 AM
Paul McFadden
Responsive Pest Control - Seattle, WA
Pest Control, Seattle, WA.

Thanks, Jeff. That's good advice. I fielded a call recently from a homeowner who was hoping for a loan modification because he's carrying 2 mortgages. He was told the only way that could happen (from the lender no less) was to get behind on his payments. I told my customer that would mess up his credit but if it got the lenders attention it might be worth it. We'll see what he decides to do. Not a great situation, that's for sure. Take care.

 

Paul

Aug 22, 2008 02:52 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

LARRY.....  why couldn't you believe it?  Bad adive or misleading advice is given often. It's trying to weed through it that is the case of so many problems.

AUDREY......  In my opinion, it basically comes down to finding a new niche and preying on people. I niche that could hurt so many.  But as I stated, when your back is up against the wall, you tend not to think clearly and will grasp for straws.

DAVE.....  what is common sense though?  lol   You can be very intelligent and actually not have common sense. I think that partially gets in the way of those that think they are so smart.

JENNIFER....  that is a big pet peeve with me and I wrote that in my red flags post. Words such as "I promise" and "I guarantee".... but many consumers will believe people at face value when hearing these. I need more than that....

BO....  yes, I am kidding that I am not kidding... lol   Hey, if you can exploit someone's weakness, as in these cases, it's a way to make money. How about how scam artists go after seniors....  many don't know better and they just trust.  Kind of the same thing..

PAUL.....  well, when it comes from the lender....  I could take them a tad more serious. But my main point, was if it's another company telling you to do this. But yes, I had a consumer call me, telling me that someone from another department, with the same lender, told her the same thing as your client was told.  So, do you believe them?  What is the madness behind that. If they are going to help, why do I have to be late?????

 

Aug 22, 2008 03:42 AM
Gerry Suarez Jr.
New American Funding NMLS 6606 - Orlando, FL
FL Mortgage Guru

Hey Jeff,

You neglected to mention Florida a 3rd time...

It's rampant down here and thank you for the post. I've tried to help as many as I can and can attest to the loss mit folks encouraging mortgage lates. Sad to see that many of them are the same folks that where selling subprime a year ago.

Contact your lender if you run into difficulty and maintain communication! Banks don't want to own homes and they will avoid it as long as they can! Unfortunately not everyone can be saved but getting late on a loan can never help.

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your HUD Loan Pro!

Aug 22, 2008 12:55 PM
Anonymous
Florida Resident

Hi, after reading these posts  I have a friend that missed two pymts and the mortgage company lowered her principal so her monthly pymt lowered to somethng that was reasonable to her situation. PLease let me know if anyone else has heard this also.

 

Thanks!

Nov 11, 2008 09:32 AM
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Lewis Poretz
Apex Home Loans - Annapolis, MD
Business Development Manager

Another great post from the legend himself.......  I have been in the business 17+ years and when i have a FHA question I call Jeff Belonger - THE FHA EXPERT

Great job as usual Jeff...................

Nov 11, 2008 10:26 AM
Matthew Rosov
Amerisave Mortgage Corporation - Laurel, MD
Certified Mortgage Planning Specialist

Jeff - I almost fell off my chair when I read the title (would have been a bad thing after last night).  Took me a few minutes to see the ?  Great  post.

Nov 12, 2008 01:06 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

GERRY..... . it is very sad to see and hear. And I know a few of them that did previously do subprime loans. As you stated, yes, contact your current lender... that is so important.  Start with them.... thanks for the input.

FLORIDA RESIDENT..... . I don't think I have heard of that as of yet.... but it would make sense, if someone was late lately, that the lender would modify their loan. But the gist of my blog was to tell people not to take this advice. In my opinion, it's poor advice and very risky advice. If the lender doesn't help you, it will hurt your credit scores big time, which could hurt your chances in refinancing also... just food for thought.

LEWIS...... .  wow, thanks for the very kind and polite compliments... thanks

MATTHEW.... . lol... well, please don't be falling off your chair, that might not be a good thing. But a bad thing after last night?  What was last night?  In any case, thanks for the compliment.

 

Nov 16, 2008 03:33 PM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Hi Jeff,

I am a Case MGR with a Loss Mitigation company who has been in business for 5 years and has an impeccable record. Loan modifications were not developed for homeowners who can afford to pay their mortgage payments. I never tell my clients to miss a payment before qualifying for a loan mod. But unfortunately their are many people who are behind. We also do not ask for 2 pmts to put into an escrow account. Since the homeowner is hiring a company to negotiate and mitigate on their behalf, there is a service fee, which is refundable if we can not come to a resolution. We also utilize attorneys to negotiate on the homeowners behalf which produces a very high success rate. We do not ask for the fee until the client has been approved in our underwriting department. We know the guidelines of most lenders. Once approved we do not promise a rate or term, as this has to be negotiated. Not everyone qualifies for a loan mod. You have to be facing a hardship or prove that you can no longer afford your mortgage, usually done with a budget analysis.

On the other hand, you are correct when you say there are companies popping up left and right trying to eat a piece of the foreclosure pie. This is very sad and people need to be aware and know how to research companies before signing up. There are many new companies promising the world and delivering nothing. I have a few blogs that educate the homeowner, what red flags to look for and how to avoid scams.

For the record, I do not make much money doing this. I do it because it is in my heart to take part in the foreclosure solution. I love to help people and would never steer them in the wrong direction.

Nov 20, 2008 01:12 AM
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Callie Thompson
Property Xchange Solutions - Frederick, MD
Property Xchange Solutions

I am the one who commented above. I forgot to mention that I am a member of Active Rain. Feel free to view my blogs which will help you educate your homeowners with this matter.

Thanks

Nov 20, 2008 01:33 AM
Tim Storm
Fairway Independent Mortgage Corporation - Irvine, CA
Orange County FHA and VA Home Loan Specialist

I agree with your post. I'm getting several calls each week from my client database, mostly from clients who are current on their payments and have always had good credit. They are being instructed to miss payments, which sounds crazy.

Nov 20, 2008 05:49 PM
Anonymous
Chris

Going through this right now . Upside down in a new home and covering all the bills on my own . Only gettin by thanks to side work and overtime . Cutting corners everywhere just to keep all my creditors happy . Not living , just busting my ass to keep a home I cant afford and not screw up my credit . Wrote the Govenor , called the mortgage company several times and tried to refinance through 2 differnt companies under these new low rates . House wont appraise .

So , I put pride aside and call the mortgage company . All they want to know is when I can make my next payment . Word for Word it was " Unless you're 60 days behind on your payments , you're not eligible for any of our programs " WTF !!!

Try to do the right thing and it looks likes my best option to get any help is miss payments to get help .

Know it sounds crazy and anybody can say common sense this , common sense that . But when u see the inevitible coming and it's foreclosure , short sale , or miss a payment and see what happens , when it's THAT real , happening to you , and only weeks from becoming a reality , who cares about common sense . It's come down to the lesser evil at this point .

Any help , references , advise , or prayers for that matter can be directed to himbademmeffer@aol .

Feels good to vent .............  :^)

Jan 02, 2009 01:17 PM
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