Sometimes you get that jaw dropper comment on one of your posts. You know, the comment that is raw. The one that speaks volumes about our entire industry.

It is something laced with real emotion that spews out like hot lava from a smoldering volcano (that you assumed was dormant).

It is the kind of comment that I live for, because the truth is most often hidden in business communications. Usually we try to stay out of controversial territory.

But not always. The comment:

And do you not consider Realtors your customers, as well? It sure doesn't seem like mortgage brokers look at Realtors in this light.

I wonder if we in the mortgage industry have "trained" Realtors to think of us as their "customers"? After all, didn't we entice Realtors to do business with us by bringing donuts to sales meetings? By laying rate sheets on their desk? By showing up in their office with a bright shiny badge with the hope that we can "sell" them on the idea of doing business with you?

Don't Realtors hide when they see a mortgage broker coming? Sure sounds lika a classic salesman/customer realtionship to me.

My jaw dropped because I realized that if a Realtor believed that they are a customer of the mortgage broker, then this speaks volumes about the difficulty in establishing a rapport that will carry a real estate transaction smoothly to its close.

Why? Because that means we are starting on a different page. Coming from a different place. Confused about our roles, if not our goals.

You see, I don't think most mortgage brokers would consider themselves a "customer" of a Realtor. This leaves  the implied implication that mortgage professionals must "win" the satisfaction of the Realtor (winning the customer over), that the Realtor is never wrong (like a customer is "always right"), and that the mortgage brokers main goal in the transaction is to satisfy the Realtor (like having a "satisfied customer").

Wow. This is miles away from the way I think. I think of the Realtor as my teammate and our job is to win the most important game in the world.

It does not matter to me if a Realtor refers me a client, or if the client arrives in my office, contract in hand, saying "Call this Realtor. They are handling my sale." In all cases, I want to join forces with the Realtor to close the loan on time, and end up with a client who would be thrilled to do another transaction with Realtor involved, or with me.

Make no mistake. My first priority is NOT to impress a Realtor. It is to impress our mutual client. I figure if I do that, everything else will fall in place. If the client raves about how well things went, and the Realtor is impressed enough to refer me future business, then that is a bonus.

It is not the point.

Certain behaviors that I have witnessed by Realtors now make much more sense. I realize WHY it is possible to have an ecstatic client, who refers you business multiple times, but his Realtor remains, well.... a "customer" who did not get satisfaction.

Could it be that the ROLE of being a mortgage broker (the Realtor's customer) is not the same as GOAL of being a mortgage broker (a happy client)?

How ironic is this?

And should it be surprising that Realtors think this way when only a very short while ago, mortgage brokers were merely a commodity in the marketplace where oversupply was the rule?

You remember economics 101? When supply is high, the price goes down.

It might pay to remember that the supply has vastly shrunk, and the quality, by sheer necessity, has vastly improved.

 


Written by Janet Guilbault, Mortgage Lending Expert Based Out of the San Francisco Bay Area.

 

 

 
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28 Comments on Should Mortgage Brokers Consider Realtors Their CUSTOMERS?

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05
2008
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As usual, I love this post, but I don't remember reading it previously since you're reblogging it.

Interestingly, I had dinner with some friends last night, where a local realtor I've known for years (but chose to work with a competitor) was groveling for me to help them. You see when times were easy....they chose their friends. When experience is required, they chose me.

I found it flattering but also hypocritical that often times they choose to have such an adversarial relationship, while so many other relationships are about high levels of trust and teamwork!

Hope you are well Janet.....have a great weekend!

10:34am • #1
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Bill...not a reblog, written this morning in my PJ's at 5 AM with coffee on tap and only my furry Akita dog as company at that hour.

Why do you think it was a re-blog? Did I push the wrong button or something?

10:41am • #2
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Hi, Janet,

I agree there is a degree of ambiguity in the mortgage broker - Realtor relationship.  Your conclusion is valid, though.  Ultimately we should both be working for the CLIENT, not each other.  Great post!

Dan

10:44am • #3
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And Dan... what about when there is a decision to be made? It is so much easier and more clear to simply morph into this....if it is best for the client, then it is best for us.....(Realtor and mortgage broker)

Rather than to think "How well will this play out to the Realtor?"

10:50am • #4
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Janet - I think Bill thought it was a reblog, perhaps because it had the reblog button on top.  Other than that, it does not appear to be a reblog.  As far as the post itself, I respectfully disagree in some areas.  Although our mutual client is the most important, I find that I treat the Realtor as a client as well.  This is done by keeping them informed as the process moves forward so they have the latest and greatest information available.  During a transaction, this is probably something you do as well, so perhaps we just have a difference of understanding what a customer is.  If I am providing them updates and keeping them informed as we move forward, I consider them a customer.  This helps my relationship with the Realtor.  Like I said, you probably do the same thing but just do not consider them a 'customer'.  Is that right?

10:51am • #5
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I've admired your posts for quite some time. This is perhaps one of the moregutsy I've seen. I value my long term relationships with several Realtors who have referred me business over the years. We know where we stand with each other, and exchange ideas, information, and customers. Yet I do agree with you on the sales person / customer relationship issue. I'd be incredibly wealthy if I had a nickel for every time I've heard phrases like, "I only do listings", "my buyers always come pre-approved", or just the deer in the headlights look before the mad dash or scramble for the phone. My clients / customers havealways been, and will continue to be the person or persons applying for a mortgage that I am trying to assist. If I can strike up a relationship with a new referral source so be it. In the end, MY customers satisfaction is really all that matters.

10:56am • #6
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Ahhh......I saw that re-blog stamp, and since I've been away lately, I thought you re-posted one of your previous postings, only to see that your original thoughts just keep flying out with the furry Akita in tow! :)

Love this story.....I think of any other professional relationship where it is always an added bonus to become friends with the realtor, but not a necessity as long as we appreciate and respect each other for our individual roles.

11:02am • #7

LOL - Great visual. I wondered when you did your great writing. :-)

I read the comment you are referring to in your last blog...and your earlier response.  Great dialogue. Do you remember hearing that for a marriage (team) to succeed that everyone must feel like they are doing more than 75% of the work?   I love your balance because you are rising above and seeing both sides.  It takes great coordination and effort from ALL parties concerned to bring a transaction to a smooth landing.  Buyers and sellers don't always know all of the shifting of gears the 'team' is making on their behalf behind the scenes.  It is all about the team working in the best interest of the buyers and sellers.

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Oh, John, how gentle you are with your disagreement. I do love  this about you. It is okay with me for you to disagree. I am not delicate flower you know. (But I am still a flower..LOL)

If I were a Realtor (which I was before I re-invented myself into a mortgage broker) I would say this to the mortgage broker: "Your job is to close this loan and make me look good by doing a great job. If you need to choose between doing the best thing for the client, or the best thing to impress me, I want you to always choose the client"

I am sorry we disagree, but keeping the Realtor informed and happy is just part of my job. A Realtor is a business partner to me. It in no way means I neglect any part of keeping them in the loop. In fact, the last thing I want to do is let my partner down in anyway.

I think it is time for the entire industry to get over the out dated concept that we are the customers of Realtors instead of the very important cog in the wheel of any mortgage transaction.

 The world, and Realtors especially, need our services more than ever. Realtors should be seeking out great mortgage partners. The smart ones are doing this.

 

 

 

11:14am • #9
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Susan your perspective is so refreshing and you are a wonderful writer yourself.

11:15am • #10
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Scott: Well, any reader of mine knows that I am very much in favor of improved relationships between Realtors and mortgage professionals. I just find it hard to see how this can happen when the relationship begins without a team spirit.

A partner is a very different role than a salesman. One suggests harmony and a common goal (my way of thinking)

One suggests something adversarial....and differing goals.

I am not saying a mortgage lender should NEVER go out and try to get business from the Realtor community. I am not saying that your should disregard the very important role of keeping the Realtor in the loop.

I am only saying when the clock starts ticking on a contract, then the roles should change. The selling is over and it is time to get to work and get the loan done.

11:22am • #11
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Bill: The whole reason I joined ActiveRain was to understand Realtors. Natuarally, their relationship with their mortgage partners is of great interest to me.

Never mind about re-blog. There are so many new things here in the Rain that you are lost most of the time trying to keep up.

11:26am • #12
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Whether it be realtor/mortgage broker - realtor-home buyer/seller.........homebuyer/seller-mortgage broker...............at some point in the relationship it changes from client to co-partner and 'team'......we each play a role ....

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PS To Scott: Please, dear God, let my tombstone read "She lived a gutsy life".

Can you and me and Jason now retire to have cocktails and laugh our collective heads off?

I love you even if you are from the East Coast.

To Liz: That is my point exactly. Roles change and so why drag the role of trying to win business from on Realtor over into the business of funding a loan?

 

11:59am • #14
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LOL.. I tried to be gentle.  Looks like we accomplish the same thing, just look at it differently.

12:17pm • #15
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 If my client raves about you, then it enhances my status as a professional.  If I think you are great, and then client thinks you aren't then it devalues my status as a valuable professional.  It lets them know I will only refer them to people who serve their interest and not mine.  That action, in and of itself, tells them that I have integrity and value their needs. 

Who I refer people to is a reflection of me.  If you spend all of your time trying to please me as the agent, and not my client that I referred to you, then I look like a moron.  Me...I don't like to look like a moron.  It's not how I want to be treated, so I don't treat others that way.

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It lets them know I will only refer them to people who serve their interest and not mine.

Melina...I am sorry this remark confused me a little. Could you clarify?

Your last paragraph I agree with, and this is the point of the post. Is there anyone out there who would like to explain to your client that the mortgage broker is there mainly to make a good impression on the Realtor?

1:08pm • #17
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Hi Janet, Great post. The client is the customer and you have to do what is best for them. But Realtors are more than team mates, they are sources of future business. The Realtors I work with do so because they know that i will do a good job and their client will be treated well and walk away satisfied. They also know I'll keep them informed and make sure the loan process goes smoothly. But if something goes wrong I think of how it will affect the Realtor as well as the borrower, and because we do rely on them for business, there is always the potential for a conflict of interest.

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Peter: I will agree that a Realtor is more than a teammate. But I will not place my interest in landing a new Realtor above the interest of the client.

I also do NOT think of myself as the Realtor's customer.

3:37pm • #19
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Sorry Janet, somehow I managed to cut an entire sentence out of my comments.  I guess I went crazy with the delete key.

 

If my client raves about you, then it enhances my status as a professional.  If I think you are great, and then client thinks you aren't then it devalues my status as a valuable professional.  By working hard for my clients, and not for me as the referral source, it lets my clients know I will only refer them to people who serve their interest and not mine.  That action, in and of itself, tells them that I have integrity and value their needs. 

This should make more sense...well...maybe...It's been a loooooong week.  I knew there was a reason I haven't done a blog in a while.  I can't comment straight, much less blog straight.

How about this!  I agree with your post totally!  Whew...way easier than trying to organize my chaotic brain...

4:22pm • #20
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06
2008
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Janet: the answer is no! We should consider realtors as our working partners. When I started in this business two years ago, a friend of mine who has been a mortgage loan officer for over 20 years stated that we need each other. What she meant was that we want to build long-term healthy relationships with realtors that mutually benefit each other.

Yesterday I was having coffee with a realtor I met recently. She asked me two questions that were an immediate turnoff. One, what do you want to talk about? And two, what do you do for your realtors? Needless to say, I will keep her in mind but she would not be my first choice. Contrast that with my favorite realtors who are happy to hear from me and appreciative when I send them an article, call them, etc. The relationship we have should be based on mutual trust and admiration because we value each other as a professional. Anything less probably isn't worth it. When I hear of stories where  either party expects something, I am disappointed. The only expectation should be that a long-term relationship is desired. Anything else is just icing on the cake! Thanks for the great post and enjoy your day!

 

Paul

9:53am • #21

Clearly the buyer is our customer. We have a fiduciary repsonsibility to the buy and therefore must act in good faith. With that being said, if you mess up the transaction, it is generally the realtor who has the power to hurt your business. That agent will tell every agent they run across and most will not be afraid to include your name and who you work for. I agree that the buyer is kning, but we still need our referral sources to be pleased as well.

10:01am • #22
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07
2008

If the loan gets funded and you close on time I think that alone will win the Realtor over.  I have always found it kind of sickening when the lenders hang around the office soo much or the title officers want to take you out to lunch ( if you don't already have a relationship going)  I have gone to lunch with my title officer and my lender that I had worked with for quite some time.  I think that's great.  Gives you time to voice your opinions and make sure you are still on the same page.  Right now I have two title companies wanting to take me to lunch.  Why?  Because the title officer that I had worked with for years got let go.  Why?  Because she was probably paid more that some of the others that they kept on.  I don't get it.  Now the title company suffers because the girls they kept are not as experienced.  So they spend money on taking people to luch to try to convince them to keep their business coming.  I have recently closed escrow with each one of these title companies and truthfully I was not happy with either one.  I am going to go to lunch with both and tell them whoever hires back the title officer that was let go, then that is who I will do business with.  Until then I will probably just alternate until I do create another good working relationship.  Enough about me.  I believe it is TEAM work all the way.

12:01pm • #23
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09
2008
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From your lips to . . . . . .

Would that there would be a vastly smaller supply of mortgage brokers.

And real estate agents. 

 

5:28pm • #24
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02
2008
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Janet - My primary responsibility is, always has been and always will be to the mutual client.  I will always act in the best interest of our mutual client.  If in the process I manage to impress the Realtor, great!  If not, I'm ok with that just as long as our mutual client is happy.  I don't work for the Realtor; they don't sign my paycheck and vice versa.

Although I do work with a handful of local Realtors, that is not where I receive the majority of my business.  Most of my business comes from referrals (clients, family, friends, associates, etc - not Realtors), farming efforts as well as some internet marketing and in that order.  My Realtor referrals are actually the smallest part of my business, which is why I don't spend my time, energy and money marketing to them.  I have managed to stay in business working without a lot of their business just fine while so many others around me are leaving the business because so many of the Realtors they worked with are no longer in the business too.

My clients are, always have been and always will be, prospective homeowners and/or borrowers, not Realtors.  If I happen to pick up a few Realtors along the way - great!  If I don't, no big deal because I will still be in business with or without them.  I'm sure I'm going to hear an ear full from a bunch of Realtors for my attitude and I'm ok with that.  Their entitled to their opinions just as I am with mine.

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Janet - I read the other post you wrote and linked to in this most recent one.  You are an easy read for me because I can't find anything I disagree with.  One thing I noticed, however, is your comment:

It does not matter to me if a Realtor refers me a client, or if the client arrives in my office, contract in hand, saying "Call this Realtor. They are handling my sale."

Perhaps we (Mortgage Brokers, I mean) should be the ones referring OUT to agents so the shoe is on the other foot.  It sure would be nice to be the one setting the expectations.  This has been our philosophy and it has worked for us.

I don't want to minimize the important role of agents, we do have agents who refer to us, but it's the exception rather than the rule.  But, in turn, we refer to them, as well.  It's about taking care of other professionals who have a similar vision and expectation of service - and knowledge, which is most important!

Great post!

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Hey KMG: I live for the day when Realtors bring me donuts. I HATE donuts (health food freak), but the symbolism would be something I could smile about for years.

Know what I mean?

In an ideal world, my blogging would bring in all the clients I needed, and they would all be saying...now that I am approved, can you refer me a Realtor?

Not there yet, but the world...it is a changing.

8:47pm • #27
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Janet - yep, the world is a changing.  But, in our case, it's beer.  My husband has a "no lunch" rule - if he has time to go out to lunch and be "schmoozed", he's not taking care of his customer.  On the other hand, if you want a client, come by our office at 4:30 with a beer.  In your case (if you partake), stop by Trader Joe's on California (I have family in Walnut Creek) and make it organic ;)

Happy originating!

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