We broke the news about the eventual reinstatement of Nehemiah Down Payment Assistance Program, back in August ,on Bloodhound Blog.  How did we know where this was headed?  We talked to lenders rather than the charitable organizations. We talked to lenders because we know the Golden Rule; he with the gold makes the rules.

The largest lenders in our nation were consulted when Chairman Frank and Secretary Preston were playing political chicken.  Reinstating a program makes no practical sense if you can't get lenders to lend.  In fact, statistics from the largest loan servicers and originators will weigh heavily in the ultimate decision.  The biggest loan servicers and loan originators found some interesting facts about credit scoring and loan performance.

These large loan servicers said that seller-assisted down payment assistance programs were defaulting at 2-3 times the normal, acceptable default rate.  I can't verify that; the data aren't published but that's what the senior credit officers at our nation's largest loan originators tell me.  More importantly, that's what the large loan servicers have been telling Congress (and HUD) for the past year.  The fear of an unacceptable default rate drove HUD to speculate that the increased defaults could bankrupt the FHA insurance system...so they screamed.

I reported that Chairman Barney Frank was holding risk-based pricing as a chit for the ultimate reinstatement of seller-assisted down payment assistance programs.  He had to get the lenders to play ball.  The largest lenders, then, are the most-likely candidates to determine the viability of these programs.

What the lenders learned, when they ran modeling tests, was that the performance of these loans improved EXPONENTIALLY when a minimum credit score was introduced, along with strict adherence to the debt-to-income ratio.  A miimum credit score of 680 reduced the default rate below the acceptable universe for FHA loans.  A minimum credit score of 620 dramatically reduced the default rate but it was statistically indeterminate if it was acceptable.

Jeff Belonger queried about this yesterday:

  • Borrowers with credit scores from 620 to 680 could be subject to higher insurance premiums. (I personally wouldn't have a problem with this)
  • Borrowers with credit scores below 620 would be banned from using the down payment assistance program until mid 2009. ( I truly think that we could improve on this one. First off, why down to 620?  Secondly, even people with credit scores of 570 or such can still have decent credit, under FHA's credit guidelines.

The answer to Jeff's questions are "that's what the large lenders want".  They want that 680 minimum because they KNOW the default rate is acceptable there.  They want to phase in the 620 minimum because the data are inconclusive about the performance at the lower credit score threshold.  They spurn the 570 credit scores because allowing them will bankrupt the HUD insurance fund...and NOBODY wants that.

Getting lenders to lend is the answer to the mortgage liquidity crunch.  Enacting legislation does no good if the lenders won't play ball.  Remember the golden rule; he with the gold makes the rules.

If you're interested in the new minimum loan guidelines that we expect the saved down payment assistance programs to have, you might attend our free teleconference next week.  Sean Purcell and I will discuss these developments next Monday, at 4PM PST, on Bloodhound Blog Radio.  We’ll give you a heads-up on what the credit-score minimums and debt-to-income requirements might look like.

 

48 Comments on Nehemiah Down Payment Assistance Reinstatement: Why The Increased Credit Scores ?

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Due to the state of the market I am opposed to downpayment assistance programs. The instability of values means these borrowers need cash reserves and they have proven themelves unable to accrue reserves.
11:08am • #1
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Having scores and guidleines is better than nothing, Brain. I imagine Nehemia, et. al. are doing this to satisfy the lenders that are being required to agree to accept them as down payment alternatives.

Thanks

Bo

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Very interesting blog and well explained. I would be interested to see what sticks.

11:13am • #3

Thanks for the inside scoop.

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It makes sense to me - the buyers who have high credit scores have proven to be more responsible than those with low scores.  Once upon a time (when I was just a teenager) it was explained to me that the interest you pay on a loan is directly related to the risk that it would be paid back!  Maybe "common sense" will make a comeback! 

2:49pm • #5

 Not all buyers are  the same  most of my buyers that used AMeriDream had down payment funds available but chose to hang on to the funds for repairs & reserves.

 

2:55pm • #6
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I said a long time ago that borrowers using DPA should be priced for their additional risk.

 

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Brian, Reinstating DPAs with a credit score minimum makes a whole bunch of sense. I am working with a teacher right now with an over 800 score who has to use most of her savings to meet the 3% down when a DPA would have been perfect for her. Penalizing her for other's actions makes no sense.

3:39pm • #8
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risk based pricing, I have been saying it all along. They always used to say you could have a low credit score if you have cash or you can have no cash and a high credit score but you cant have no cash and crap credit. This should hold true. Good credit, good job & down payment assistance, i have no problems with that.

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Yea!  It makes sense and is what I thought all along should be the criteria not a blanket dismisal of the programs.  Glad to see that smarter heads are prevailing and now I have a couple of prospective buyers to call to tell them to standby.  Their credit scores are in the high 700's!!!!

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Brian, I actually mentioned this very idea in our sales meeting this morning...if the risk is higher, raise the bar on the borrowers. I couldn't disagree more with Vicki Nagy's comment here though. Some borrowers have reserves but don't want to use it on the downpayment because they want to keep it as reserves or use it to fix up the house. If they have the income and the credit to prove they are fiscally responsible, who are we to judge what they should or shouldn't do?

Just my two cents!

5:43pm • #11
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Thanks Brian, very interesting reading!

6:01pm • #12

Grat article Brian, very informative.

Joe Romano, Broker/Owner

Sellstate Access Realty

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Brian, this is terrific information! Thank you and I don't blame them. It's about time we stood with our feet firm on the ground and said, "you can't be a dead beat and own a home!" Yep, that's what I believe. I have worked my entire life for good credit. I have worked twice as hard and have done without twice as much than the average bear.

It's time our credit scores bought us some priority. Thank you and Later in the rain~Deb

6:58pm • #14
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I cant keep up with all the changes.  Every week it is something new.  And when it is directly affecting a closing I get angry.  Enough already pick one guideline and stick to it.

7:11pm • #15
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For the record, I don't like the "wink" factor these charitable organizations use to gift the money; it's the seller funneling money to the buyer.  I'd much prefer to see FHA offer 100% financing.  That will happen after it isn't political suicide to suggest such a thing. 

While I don't like the structure of the gift, it doesn't mean I won't use them.  I've closed over 100 of these transactions, over the last 9 years.  My personal feelings aside, and in contrast to what Vickie Nagy says, I do think high LTV loans are good for clients (it allows them to save reserves).  I like these loans BECAUSE of the state of the market, Vickie- it allows the buyers to transfer all the market risk to the banks.

7:20pm • #16
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Enough already pick one guideline and stick to it

You DON'T want that, Dee Dee- that ONE guideline will not be very generous.

7:22pm • #17

I am going to have to agree with Colleen! Can't wait to see how this all turns out. Not sure the "experts" have any real idea what is going to right this market. Obviously this simple answer is correcting consumer confidence...

7:24pm • #18

Great news on this. Thank you for posting and keep us informed!

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I am so looking forward to the radio program to clue me in on any developments.  I have been running around like crazy since July trying to make deals happen via DPA/Nehemiah and finally have time to sit, eat, & relax.  A few people were left without homes thanks to slow responses from bank owned properties or multiple offers (believe it or not) and now they must continue to rent. 

I'd like to see some form of 100% financing (which isn't income based) become available in the near future.  I'm sure the pros can come up with requirements which will reduce the risk of default and yet make more dreams come true.   

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Let me clarify my "not income based" comment.  I just mean it would be nice for individuals who have a healthy income to obtain 100% financing.  Currently, USDA or Rural Housing have restrictions.  There are frugal people in the country who are so focused on "feeding the pig" that they refuse to remove reserves from investments and put them on a house in a declining market.  I won't judge...These are the same folks who were shopping for a house 1/3 the amount they'd probably qualify for.

8:25pm • #21

looking forward to see how this all turns out...I do agree that risk based pricing and loans is a good thing...makes sense.

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Thanks for the informative blog, Brian. Introducing risk based pricing makes a whole lot of sense. I hope they figure all this out sooner rather than later.

8:57pm • #23
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Brian -

Great Article!  I appreciate the thorough detail on why reinstatement makes sense.  I haven't heard any specific dates as to when such a reinstatement might occur.  Have you seen any details on that?

Dan

9:48pm • #24
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Brian, good run down on the why's, etc. I'm not surprised at the concern with the credit scores though. It'll be interesting to see what does happen...;-)

Pepper

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I sure would like to see a reinstatement of the seller's contribution.  I'll be following your posts on the subject. Thanks.

10:48pm • #26
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Hi Bryant: I believe they're just discussing this at this point, is that correct? I wasn't aware they'd made it law yet.

 

Paul

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I wasn't aware they'd made it law yet

This isn't law, yet.  If you click the links, you'll read my full coverage of the political maneuvering.  It still has to get by the Senate.  Both Mc Cain and Obama want this to happen; with 3 of the 4 candidates from the Senate, I don't see them having a problem getting this through.

Please come to the call on Monday for updated information

11:15pm • #28
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Brady, you knew and I knew that there is always more than one way to skin a cat (no references to pigs here) and that anytime big money is there to be made big money people will win. At the risk of sounding like Goldwater again, making borrowers prove they are not going to default is always a better idea in my opinion. The American Dream has to include fiscal responsibility. I didn't get to listen to your conference call but I made the appropriate calls, for what they are worth.  And yes I'm a tad cynical about this.

On the other hand, 620 is a hard score for people in poor cities like mine. 

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there is always more than one way to skin a cat

This is highly suggestive that I think I'm immortal,  Cohen, this is EXACTLY what I'd expect from you.  I'm calling a press conference to expose you for the immortality-biased comments you continue to spout.  That ought to confuse the issues for a few days. (onlookers- we're joshing each other)

I didn't get to listen to your conference call but I made the appropriate calls, for what they are worth.

The call is this Monday, 7PM EDT. 

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LOL well I called my reps anyway ROFL  and Brady you are such a celebrity can we get back to the issues :-) 

PS: I swear you already had a call this week but I'm glad it's going to be a regular thing. Count me in.

1:01am • #31

In lieu of circumventing FHA's down payment requirement, why not implement the insurance of 100% loans?

8:05am • #32

I agree 100% with the last comment.  FHA should be a sliding scale for LTV.  100% for borrowers of acceptable credit risk (660 and up or something of the like).  660-620, 97% with no DPA.  620 and lower, 95%, no DPA.

I'm not saying this should be the exact starting points, but something along these lines.

Joe C. (Banker, Broker, Iowa)
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Click the first link to read about my take on FHA 100% loans.

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I certainly hope that this program is reinstated -- our market could really use that type of assistance. ~ Evelyn

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I agree with much of what your saying, it just does not make sense when the wrong people are being penalized

12:46pm • #36
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DPA is 100% financing.  Everyone knows that. 

Why don't they just implement 100% financing instead of paying the money launderers $750 for nothing?  It's nonsense and makes the industry look and sound like a bunch of carnival barkers.  Ever try and explain this to a seller without the furrowed brow staring back at you saying, "you gotta be kidding me."

With nonsense like this why should this industry ever expect any R E S P E C T?

Rodney Dangerfield
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I would be for the imposed credit limits.   I for one am favor the DPA because of the way our economy is going... Wages aren't increasing significantly and we are at an almost stagnant growth, so why not have the DPA for the higher credit borrows?  I am a believer in keeping as much cash as you can in your bank... The reason for the high foreclosure rates is because there we a lot of buyer's coming in the market that thought they could strike it rich if they bought any home... well they were proven wrong!  IF we want the housing market and economy to turn around then we need to bring back 0% financing and make buyer's sit in home buying classes or have the DPA come back.

 

I for one would like to see 100% financing to come back with the buyer attending a home buying seminar and understanding that this is not a get rich quick scheme.

 

Thanks,

Nick Good

Realtor

Keller Williams Realty

www.NickGood.com

11:09pm • #38
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Brian... thanks for the mention. But I am semi confused when you said "The answer to Jeff's questions are "that's what the large lenders want"." 

Not to make an argument here, but that wasn't a question that I had, but to put one out there to the public. Talking in a different person. In hopes of someone asking my opinion, so I can give them my reasoning. And I think lenders and investors need to be defined. Because it comes down to the investor and not always the lender.  Just my .02.  And I know about the data.  But we also know that such data as this can be and is misleading. Especially when you might have someone that manually underwrites a loan improperly that might construe what performs and what doesn't based on fico scores.  But the golden rule is so true.

In regards to the 100% financing comments?  I want to laugh here... I have my opinions...  but these are totally different than what so many think. And it's obvious by their comments. Again, just my .02.

Jeff Belonger

7:50pm • #39
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Not to make an argument here, but that wasn't a question that I had, but to put one out there to the public. Talking in a different person. In hopes of someone asking my opinion, so I can give them my reasoning.

Ahh, a rhetorical question to spur on a discussion; I'm trying to to find out EXACTLY what those lenders will accept so that we can get back to funding these loans fo our California REALTOR partners.

And I think lenders and investors need to be defined. Because it comes down to the investor and not always the lender.  Just my .02. 

That's really the cool thing about guvvies.  Armed witha warehouse line and the proper HUD delegation, you can be both.  I think the large lenders will telegraph to HUD what they want those guidelines to be.

And I know about the data.  But we also know that such data as this can be and is misleading. Especially when you might have someone that manually underwrites a loan improperly that might construe what performs and what doesn't based on fico scores.  But the golden rule is so true.

I"ll disagree, Jeff.  The largest loan servicers can give us great data (and do), going back eleven years, about the performance of these loans.  More importantly, we can stratify that data to measure its performance in the past two years, which will be a more accurate depiction of expected performance moving forward.  Armed with this data, we can responsibly re-introduce high LTV financing so that lenders and HUD are protected.

We REALLY must be extremely careful.  We don't want to bankrupt the FHA insurance fund tomorrow just to protect our commissions today.

Your grassroots efforts are to be commended, Jeff.

8:42pm • #40
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As mentioned in the article, HUD and FHA are caliming that individuals receiving downpayment assistance have a hight foreclosure rate, but there are not providing the support for them claim.  Why not?  Because they don't have any.  Buyers receiving seller-assisted DPA are at no higher risk than buyers gaining assistance from family menbers or employers. 

Below is an excerpt from www.dpagroundswell.org

"Non-profit downpayment assistance (DPA) is not any riskier than DPA gifts from family members or the government. Default claim rates for homeowners with an FHA loan after three years: no downpayment assistance is 3%, family/government assistance is 5%, DPA is 6%."

We need to keep these programs around for families who do not have other family members to assist them with their down payment.  Just because someone doesn't come from a family of means, doesn't mean they don't deserve a home. 

Sarah
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Our interview with Ronda Green of Nehemiah is on RadioMortgage.net

8:21pm • #42
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Great stuff.  Shouldn't people be required to put some money toward a purchase of a home?  We use money to buy everything else in the world, or at least we should...I do believe we are a credit nation.  We buy what we can't afford and pay the minimum.  I am just throwing it out there...

The statistics though should be looked at and in the end used to make the decision for or against implementing DPA programs. 

7:16pm • #43
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The statistics though should be looked at and in the end used to make the decision for or against implementing DPA programs

If the statistics suggest that loans with a DPA, and a 680 credit score, perform as well as the universe of FHA loans , should we then allow them with that restriction?

9:38pm • #44
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I always felt uncomfortable using this product.  We are basically putting someone into a home upside down in their equity.  With a declining market it would be insane to reinstate this product.  Home ownership is the American Dream, and it used to be that you worked hard to earn it. It should be that way again. Prove you can do it. I have found that people when handed something don't have as much respect for it.  Why are we just handing these mortgages to people?

Our State was seeing record breaking value increases and 100% financing worked great during those times, now it would be catastrophic.  Leave it alone, re-evaluate when our country is back on track.

Kristin - Mortgage Broker/Banker
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@ Kristin,,,,  well, this sucks.. I just spent 10 minutes with a long response...

but I will be brief....  why are you barking at this program, when it's been the economy.  Do you think 5% down is going to help any, in your example?  No, it won't. Do you know that there have been a lot of people that have foreclosed that put 10% or 20% down?  I do and I have proof. 

Besides, even with the DPA's, you still need to put 2.25% down and will need to put down 3.5% come January 1st.  It's the economy and those loan officers in the past that lied or baited and switch clients at the very end...

In regards to your upside down comment... that just happened in the last 2 years. Do you know that home buyer is suppose to be a long time purchase... not a 2 year purchase.. Yes, people need to move or get relocated. But other than that....  losing equity in the property was not the problem with these programs. Are you listening to HUD and their statements?  if so, they are misleading and false... and the numbers have finally been discovered and shown, but you don't hear this from HUD....  This is my .02, but I wonder how you present things. The media has been at fault also. I know many realtors and loan officers brain washed based on misleading info, thinking that these are bad. Again, real estate was and is suppose to be long term. The people whose equity was stripped, with payments rising drastically were those with the pay option arms.  How many of those did you sell? 

You said.... "Why are we just handing these mortgages to people?"

Again, just my opinion, but I honestly think that you are looking at this differently and basing it on poor information and just because homes have lost equity. FHA rates are lower than most conventional rates... as long as people qualify, it's usually a good thing overall. And you need to qualify for a FHA mortgage. What programs that were handed out were those subprime at 100%.... to where your front end qualifying ratio could up to 50%.... 50%, on 100% financing.... how about those loans were handed to people. On an FHA mortgage, your front end ratio is a 31%....   what about the 100% conventional financing that would allow some go up to a 65% back end ratio... I know of one that went to 58% back end at 100%.... that's were you should be attacking this, not FHA loans with DPA...  what about the seller help of 6% for FHA or 3% for convnetional, unless you put 10% or more down, which then can go to 6%. Do you not think values are raised to help with this?????

jeff belonger

5:32pm • #46
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Kristin,

I think we address the problem of "worthiness" when we follow strict credit and income guidelines.  Lenders' motives should always be to maximize profit of the loans they make.  In pursuit of that profit, an acceptable loss ratio is to be expected (and pursued).  If the credit and income guideline compliance lower the losses to below that ratio, lenders can maximize profit.

Profit, not social engineering, should always be the pursuit in lending.  If the latter is a byproduct of pursuit of the former, than all the better.

12:54am • #47
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Brian-thanks for this information. Tomorrow two of my last DPA's will fund. Both were buyers with solid work histories and good credit. They did not have the full amount of money needed to buy homes but the mortgage payment will be less than what they paid in rent. Also, this took two more REO properties off the market here in the Phoenix market. Regardless of everyone's opinion, I have seen these as a positive mechanism towards selling properties with toxic loans and foreclosures into primary occupied homes.

My question is....with the information you have provided...will Mr. Franks and his colleagues be allowing these DPAS to lapse or will we see something in a few days with the requirements you mentioned above?

Thanks for this information.

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