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If your sick, or a prisoner, not to worry, they will evacuate you first.

If your sick, or a prisoner, not to worry, they will evacuate you first.

What just disgusted me was a new's blip that said. "The prisoner's have been moved from where IKE is expected to hit as were the elderly."

Now, yes, move those hospitalized, move those who cannot move themselves from nursing homes, and help anyone else in the path of IKE.

Moving prisoners first and not helping the general public is terrible in my opinion.

Put 4 of them in a cell on the upper 3rd or 4th floor and wish them luck.

Help the decent people, help the elderly, help those in nursing homes and in hospitals.

How do you feel?

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Posted by Karen Monsour,REALTOR® Broward,Palm Beach,Miami/Dade! 954-464-4194 anytime! on 09/11/2008 09:38 PM

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63 Comments on If your sick, or a prisoner, not to worry, they will evacuate you first.

SEP

2008

I agree that there is something messed up with that scenario!

That's a tough one for me. What if it were my son? Even good people make mistakes or happen to find themselves in the wrong place. My best friend's son was just arrested and is in jail, he was a wonderful family, a beautiful baby daughter and made a bad choice. But I still believe he is innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. As he awaits his trial and such, If I were his mother and just being his mother's friend, I would hope they would move him if a hurricane came here and he could not move himself.

Have you thought of this... prison walls and fences come down in hurricane and 1200 murderers, rapist and hard core criminals are back on the street. My husband is in law enforcement, thus I realize maybe they moved them to protect the public and not the criminals.

Katerina,

While I agree with you in that circumstance. You have a good point. However, why not move the inmates to higher floors and help the elderly and those in intensive care and inpatients first?

While I never want to see anyone in harms way. I feel the sick, elderly, and hospitalized people should be helped first.

Pam,

You know it!

Lane Realty,

Prisoners are usually behind lots of concrete and barbed wire fences. Ask your husband what he things please and get back to me please. I would really love to see what he feels about this.

With all due respect.

Karen

Keep in mind that if those prisoners get free, many people could be in harm's way. The state has a responsibility to keep them incarcerated for your sake. I disagree with you.

I would figure a facility for the hardened criminal would withstand Ike! But then again,,,

My husband works in a prison that was built in 1937... he told me in the first place to tell you what i said. his building would in no way withstand a cat 2 hurricane. They house death row inmates there. The building is held together with glue, and duct tape. In fact will be closing and he will be transfered soon. It really could be a matter of public interest.

Carol.

If they are moved to floor's above the flood stage and still in Jail, still encarcerated, how are they going to get out? There are also barbed wire fences and employees there. So why shouldn't the innocent be given the privileged to be evacuated first?

Gary,

Me too, move them above flood stage. After all they are behind a lot of concrete...they are probably safer than those old folks in nursing homes.

Karen This is almost too good. I cannot wait to see the comments on this one. I can agree with most you don't want em running loose. But I think all prisoner should be sent to another country or put on a island to fend for themselves.

Never really thought about it before, but see the reasoning to protect the public here too.

Lane Realty,

It's a shame that it is not secure. That is a different story. However, ask him this:

" If it was a matter of moving his mother from a nursing home to safety, or moving a prisoner up to a higher floor,and moving the elderly first...what would he choose?"

Not criticizing his opinion, just wondering what he would choose to do.

Charles,

You have a valid point there. My point is as I wrote above. If it was a loved one in a nursing home or hospital...wouldn't it be more fair to move them first.

Prisons and jails are usually made of concrete with few windows. They are probably safer than those in hospitals and nursing homes. After all, those loved ones in nursing homes are there b/c they cannot fend for themselves. JMHO!

I agree with Nestor & Katrina...not all criminals are bad. Good people do make mistakes and innocent people have been known to get convicted. I wouldn't mistreat prisoners,but I do believe of course that the rest of the citizens in the path should also be helped.

And while I'm not really a confrontational kind of person. My husband also said. The prison was mostly likely built by the lowest bidder, just like the levies in New Orleans.

I really am not a fan of inmates. Most of them give the man I love a ton of crap, because after his military career he runs his prison like a tight ship and inmates aren't really fond of that.

Hope you don't get any bad weather Karen... and really I didn't mean to start anything.

It's like everything else "It's backwards"! But I can see the point of doing it for fear of them running loose.

Debbie,

As I said above, prisons and jails are built out of concrete. Not many windows. So they cannot get out. Then again, there are barbed wire fences and I'm not saying they would be there without officer's to maintain our safety.

MAINTAIN OUR SAFETY...AS IN CONTROL OF THE PRISONERS. I did say, move them up above what would be the storm surge. Not to leave them at a place in harms way.

He said it would be his duty to protect the public and move the criminals and he's send me to move his mom.

Chas,

As I said above, I'm not saying they should be evacuated. I'm saying that they could be moved up a few stories in the prison and to evacuate the elderly, the sick, the hospitalized and the nursing home patients first.

And by the way... I'm Tammy. If it were strickly surge maybe not move them. But hurricanes also spawn tornados and and do actual wind damages. And walls and fences can come down.

Lane Realty,

I understand your position and I understand your husbands, however, what if the person in the nursing home has no one else. Doesn't have someone like you?

I love law enforcement and I have the most respect for all of them that keep us safe.

If he moved the criminals to floors above and protected them until those that needed the help, like the ones in hospitals and nursing homes, and the elderly that needed help first. Then moved the criminals...does that make sense?

Nursing homes, hospitals are private. The prison is either federal or state. It's the goverments job to take care of them. If my mom were in the hospital or a nursing home the goverment wouldn't need to do anything.

But Tammy,

I think prisons/jails are better equipped to handle storms than most peoples homes.

Really, they are built to keep the bad guys in...they are probably safer than most others.

And yes Karen I think that makes sense. I typed my last response before I read yours. And I understand your sympathy for a resident in a nursing home that has no family. Yet they are somehow paying to stay there. They staff at the nursing home should be somewhat responsible. And while I agree in part with they should be taken care of first, it's been a long time since government on any level from city council right up to the white house did anything resembling a rational thought process.

Tammy,

Are you kidding me? I would hope the local's would realize they needed to evacuate these people in need. Who do you think pay's the paramedics and the emergency personnel? You are not quite right about this.

I have a family member who is a judge. He's into creative sentencing. I'm not going into it, but he's been very successful. He came up with a great idea. Put all the prisoners on an Island...give them blood tests....and when a transplant is needed for a patient, we just call the prisoner of the day up to donate his body part. I love it. These prisoners need to be "looked out for just like anyone else, it's just that they move to the end of the line.

local's? whom do you mean by the locals

I agree with you Karen. I suppose the reasoning behind the decision is that the prisoners, no matter how bad they may or may not be, are wards of the state and as such are afforded protections against outside forces (I guess that includes hurricanes). But the elderly and hospitalized should take priority.

Tammy,

Regardless if they are paying to live in a nursing home, they cannot help themselves. The nursing homes are not responsible to evacuate the patients. They cannot do it. They rely on the paramedics to evacuate.

Think of it this way. You are a victim of a severe car accident. You are in intensive care in a hospital threated by this hurricane IKE. Who do you hope will help you get out of the hospital in the location where the hurricane has the potential to hit?

OK, it might be yours. You cannot talk, you cannot move. Do you want to be left in a situation where the electric goes off. There's a time gap before the hospital's generator goes on...and you are relying on that generator to keep you breathing? Or would you rather the paramedics or the police move the criminals from a prison/jail? Or, would you prefer they just move them up a few level's in the jail to keep them safe until the sick, injured, those on rescuistators, nursing homes, invalids are taken care of first?

Larry,

As a person who has had kidney cancer in 2001, I also agree. Why not give the over 45,000 people who need kidney's to survive the chance at survival by asking a prisoner for a kidney? It's a great idea.

Tammy,

Locals are the people in your immediate area. I would have thought your husband would have understood.

JIM,

Thank heaven's someone understood my point here. I agree, criminals need to be taken care of...however, as I said before, move them up to a cell out of harms way...and move the elderly, the sick,etc.first. These people deserve it.

Yup

Nursing homes are a private industry and the one that my grandmother resides in after Katrina acutally added an adendum to her contract explaining what private company would move them in the event it would be needed. It also says she would have to pay for that.

Locals private citizens in my area or locals ... local cops, emts? Prison guards...?

I didn't see the news story, but was it EMT's moving the prisoners or was maybe the officers who guard them anyway? Just curious as why paramedics might be stoped from moving hospital patients to move prisoners?

Karen, I with you. They always get preference. I say if your going to move them send them to the State prison for a little R&R.

Karen, you would definitely think there would be higher priorities than the prisoners.

It's nearly midnight and while I hate to leave a good debate... alas... I need some sleep.

Have a great rest of your evening Karen and honestly I hope no one in the path of Ike gets heavy damage and certainly that no more lives are lost.

God Bless and good night.

Frank,

Right!

Gary,

I certainly hope so. If my mother, grandmother, child was in a hospital situation, and couldn't fend for themselves, I would hope they would be a higher priority than a prisoner. While I think they should be moved to a higher level(floor) in the prison, I think the sick and injured should be taken care of first.

Tammy,

Anyone in IKE's path is in my prayers tonight...that is a horrific storm and I for one feel's fortunate that it didn't hit south Florida. That being said, I do pray for those in IKE's path.

Good night.

Karen

Karen, I too would think there would be priorities other than criminals. Of course most people don't want to hear what I feel should be done to most of them anyway.

SEP

2008

Great post Karen! Like some of the others have commented, the walls would hold back the winds, etc. but I think you would have to elevate the prisoners from the floor or they may drown.

Then after the storm is over, send the criminals on a one way flight to the moon and let them have their little world of crime up there.

Prisoners are worth millions of bucks in tax payer money to the penal reform system, Karen. The government's protecting it's investment. Good post. Hope you have a fine weekend.

Interesting....it's alway because of the might dollar unfortunately. Prisons/prisoners are 1st priority because they are the responsibilty of the state/federal govt.

Karen- I totally agree! The only reason (well besides the obvious crimials are good for government business lol) I can think of for why they would do that would be, because if they rushed the prisioners out with everyone else last minute some may get loose :-\ lol

I still say if Bush wants more troops for the army, start pulling from the prisions take anyone and everyone on death row or getting ready for the chair! If they die, hey they would have anyways, if they make it out alive good for them, maybe even work out some kind of a you protected your country maybe we can rehabilitate you some how kind of deal but one slip up we shoot you ourselfs kinda deal lol

Karen ... thanks for your article about whether to move prisoners from the path of a hurricane before the general population. Interesting thoughts. I am a Realtor and broker ... not an expert on that stuff ... and will leave the decision to those who are. Best wishes.

Harrison K. Long, Explore Properties Group, Irvine, CA

Chris,

Now there is a thought, why don't they put them in Iraq? Help out instead of living the fine life on our dime?

Harrison,

I think the needy, ill, hospitalized, nursing home individuals, need priority...they cannot fend for themselves. I understand that inmates are also depending on the government to protect them as well, however...the sick, and nursing home people cannot take care of themselves either.

Karen,

You hit a nerve here. Re the prisoners removal, the authorities are working under a protocol. We have family southeast of Houston right now, and neighbors are helping neighbors. It's pretty cool, actually.

Mike in Tucson

Mike,

I hope and pray for their safety. The storm looks horrific. My friends flew out of the state and they weren't that close to Houston...I hope you all all Ok.

When there is a storm, and there are criminals vs elderly/hospitalized/nursing home people...sorry move the criminals up and put 4 or 6 in a cage...and take care of the good people.

Sorry Mike, the Captain has to change protocol in a situation like this. The elderly are always the last to get fair treatment...I'm all for them.

SEP

2008

Karen, I am with Lane on this one

This is a sticky situation. I do believe that they probably move them first for public safety. If there isn't any electricity then how would they keep the prisoners secure. Plus, as they are in the custody of the government, not that I like it, but they do have a duty to make sure they are not put to death when their sentence didn't call for the death penalty.

Hi Matt,

Good to see you around...Hope all is well with you...me too so tired. 12 hour days...

Paul,

That is why I write these blogs, for other opinions. You know, thank you, I never thought about the electricity issue. There you are so right...No longer secure.

Remember, I did say, move them up to the 3-4th floor...

Then again, without electric, you are SO right...we would not be safe.

Thank you for your comment...makes sense...don't know why I didn't realize that.

That is the point of blogging...for other's thoughts! Thank you!

SEP

2008

Karen ..... I'm sorry but I don't think like you do. I believe the prisons have every right to enjoy Ike or any other hurricane and should allowed to by putting them on the first floor and give them life jackets (for humane reasons). When the water rises, they can float with the water to the top of their cell.

This would be one way to periodically clean out the system and over crowding.

Sean Allen

Maybe we'll get lucky and they will lose them in other states like they lost nursing home patients after Katrina.

Sean,,,,

Debbie,,,

SEP

2008

I've always said that about Iraq. We have good men and women dying that are productive members of society. Yet, we have inmates getting 3 meals a day after they've committed crimes. They should take them all and drop them off in Iraq. If they make it back, then we may discuss their freedom...

If they took them first to keep people safe, then I agree. Otherwise, I do not.

Stacey~

Karen- Why do you say without electricity we would not be safe leaving the prisioners in the jails? Maybe I don't see the worry because our jail is old school and still locks with keys not electicity lol Although if we took their cable television and air conditioning away they may just get ticked off enough to break the bars LOL

Stacy- I totally agree with you. Not only are these prisioners getting better treatment than our troops but we are paying for their cable television, and other luxuries. Not to mention, many of them have far more experience in fighting and killing than the troops before they enter war so they are already more prepared than our troops. + if the death row/ life in prision inmates were to be killed, hey saves tax payers dimes of killing them/ waiting for them to die in jail, and they got to smell fresh air before their death.... win win lol

SEP

2008

This is seriously about one of the most disturbing posts and set of comments I've ever read. Very very judgemental. Prisoners or not each and every person on earth should be treated with diginity and have access to essential services.

That is coming from a former police officer that spent almost 20 years in the business.

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