*Note:  This was one of my very first blogs, posted on AR in October of last year.  In light of the current market, this advice is right on the money.  By the way, the condo that garnered $ 174K when I wrote this article is no longer worth 174K.  I just sold one last week for a mere $ 125K.  Yes, believe it!

Listing Agents in La-La Land...

Maybe it's because my father had a PhD in Economics, and made statistics and reading patterns rendered by numbers into a game I enjoyed playing as a kid, maybe it's intuitive deduction; whatever the reason, numbers speak to me and always have. 

In 2004 and 2005, I understood that supply and demand created unnaturally high pricing on our oceanfront condos, and I was among the first ones to service a long stream of "flippers", as I called them, investors who bought low and sold high.  I've made them amazing returns.  What a feast that was... 

In 2006 I recognized a new pattern I call "the Paralysis" period.   During this period, you will find lots of listings and few, or no sales.   This paralysis period can last months, or even years, but one thing is certain:  immediately following this paralysis period comes "The Big Plummet", sales consummated at unbelievably low prices, prices well below the established comps. 

Case in point:  take Baywatch for example, a three tower condo project of more than 500 units on the beautiful oceanfront of North Myrtle Beach.  Between January 1, 2004 and December 31, 2005, there were 267 units sold at Baywatch.   During all of 2006, only 20 sales occurred in the entire project of Baywatch (paralysis period).   In 2007 we saw prices on sold one bedroom units plummet from $ 330,000 to $ 174,000.   Two bedroom units sold for as high as $ 540,000 in 2005, transacted this year for a mere $ 315,000.   Three bedroom units garnering $ 600,000 at the height of the boom, originally offered for sale at $ 650,000, sold this year for $ 375,000. 

I see a lot of agents in denial.  They are probably in denial about other faucets of their lives as well...  I just had one this weekend that gave me a speech about how good the market was, and how correct his seller's home was priced, even though it was listed at 20% above two other comparables that transacted recently.   

As agents, we can't create the market, but if we are smart, if we are good agents, we can understand the market and service our clients well by telling them the truth.   The truth is: we have over 22,000 active listings in the Myrtle Beach Market.  Our third quarter statistics are dismal at best: only 9% of available condos have sold in the past quarter, only 18% of the homes and 5% of the lots available have sold in our area during the past three months.  July, August and September are typically red hot months for sales in this Mecca of vacation homes and investment properties.   These disheartening figures may signal a more severe trend yet...

What favors are we doing our sellers by telling them what they want to hear?  What good does it do to price these listings at 2005 prices?  2005 is gone!  2007 is here, and if you are not smart, 2008 will find you with the same listings you've carried for the past two years.  Tell your sellers the truth!  Educate them!  Stop trying to stroke their egos.  They still won't like you if you don't get their properties sold!

Go ahead!  Tell them the truth!  Lower the prices or risk losing them even more money.  2008 prices will be lower yet.   Why wait for the big plummet?   Save your Sellers from bigger losses.  Price your listings correctly! 

I will talk more about my theory on pricing specific properties in future blogs.  For now, just grasp the idea and run with it!  Your career is in the balance, but most importantly your Sellers' welfare is at stake.   Reduce, or Lose!

Myrtle Beach Real Estate by Mirela Monte


 
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53 Comments on Listing Agents in La-La Land...

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2008

you are so correct.  Great Post

12:45pm • #1

bring more foreign buyers while they are interested... the more sales the better for the market recovery!

12:49pm • #2

Aloha Mirela,

Good post.  The truth will set you free.  How can an agent deny what is happening in the market place today.  If you tell you client what they want to hear instead of the truth then you are not serving their best interest.  I had a client want to list a property of 85K.  She did not mind if it sold immediately.  I told her it was worth 25K today and would be less tomorrow.  Do you really want to take a listing that can not sell and what kind of representation is that if you don't let them know where the market is headed

12:50pm • #3
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It was enlightening to read this post.  I will update it with fresh, current, last quarter statistics which stand at about half of those posted in this blog. 

I hate to say it, but:  "I told you so!"

Sorry, I forgot: I'm preaching to the choir...

12:54pm • #4
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Personally I do not want an inflated listing, it only makes things more difficult down the road. Knowing your market data is imperative.  Numbers do not lie!!  With such a large inventory of homes, you have to change how you comp sales, My gut tells me we will be in this situation deep into 2009.  Looking forward to your next post

1:04pm • #5
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Hi Mirela! - Paralysis period.  HA!  How astute.  Ahhhh, if we could get sellers to listen & other agents to pay more attention things would be a tad simpler. 

BTW - Your comment on Active Brads blog about disabling comments was hilarious in a sea of serious comments.  You had me chuckling out loud.

   

1:12pm • #6

This problem will always be with us.  Sellers do need to realize that they're wasting valuable market time while the buyers wait for their home to be priced right.  As for agents who don't get it...well, guess they won't be selling many homes!

1:29pm • #7
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Pricing is not anything, its everything right now. You are doing a disservice to your sellers if you are taking listing at prices you dont believe in yourself. Be honest, be truthful and take your sellers in the right direction, otherwise your listing is going to be hunted when it pops up as an expired on your mls's

1:50pm • #8
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Kristin, I don't recall commenting on that blog.  It's possible...  There is a ditsy blond within and she comes out to play whenever the fancy strikes her...  My boyfriend calls her the smartest dumb blond he knows.  For someone who's won the math Olympics, I can say the dumbest things sometimes.  I think my "systems" are preoccupied with running other applications at the time...  It makes for a good show nevertheless; even I am entertained by it!  I enjoy being deeply flawed!  It's less boring and a lot more endearing.  Perfection is so...  1980's...

1:59pm • #9

I would rather miss the listing and tell the seller the truth, besides you can end up with it when it expires and the seller will be more willing to listen to you

Have a Great Day

2:11pm • #10
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You're absolutely right.  With so much inventory and if the sellers will not listen, I walk away.  I do not want the listing that is overpriced.  It sits and you do not get any traffic at all.  It is a waste of time.

2:13pm • #11
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great post!  I'll look forward to the next commentary you write!

2:23pm • #13
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I love statistics and use them at every listing presentation. In fact that's about all I use.  I don't bring flashy stuff with me or my computer.  I review the comps, the market statistics and feel I am well versed in speaking intelligently about pricing.  Consequently, my listings are experiencing a below average DOM and my clients are listing their properties reasonably.

Great post.

2:41pm • #14
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THe sellers need to get real if they want to sell. Buyers have control for now, and until the inventroy drops off, it will stay that way. THat doesn't mean to give away your property, but you have to be competitive.

2:43pm • #15

Mirela - What comes next in the cycle?  Are prices continuing to plummet in your market?  Just curious.  Thanks for the post..

2:47pm • #16
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Mirela, Great Post still Timely. Small modification. I ma finding more and more agents are turning around and seeing your point. Now we just need to get those Sellers to see the Information. I just received a call from an agent  who practices in the San Fernando Valley and asked me if prices are increasing on the West Side of LA? I educated her and asked why is she wondering. She informed me she has a seller that is thinking of Listing a Property in Malibu and is trying to price above the waterline......needless to say I do not take unrealistic listings....Great Post on your part I might forward this to the Seller:))

2:50pm • #17
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It's interesting to watch the market adjust. I just wish there were not so many agents still in La-La land.

3:18pm • #18
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I have 57 listings right now, and I spent the past month getting price reductions on MOST of them!

3:19pm • #19
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Mirela - I agree.  It is so much better to start out at the right price than to keep lowering it later.  You wind up lowering it to a much lower price than you would've had to take by starting out at the right price.  :)

3:55pm • #20
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Great post and a must read for all those agents with overpriced properties... now some agents like myself have a few overpriced listings and are totally aware of it (including the seller) but for those agents that have overpriced listings and are in denial about it is a whole other story.  I always tell the seller the truth - every once in awhile we will list a property high or higher due to the sellers wishes - but we will still make our recomendation and recommend fast price reductions.  It is amazing those agents who argue and try to support their overpriced inventory though... crazy.  Thanks for the blog !

4:07pm • #21
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I try to let the numbers speak for themselves.  Here is your current competition, here are the guys that would have been your competition but they either expired, cancelled, withdrew and or sold their properties.  How badly do you want to sell and how quickly.  Then you're going to have to price it $here. ~ Evelyn

4:08pm • #22
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Great post - thanks!  I love the TRUTH - unfortunately is seems many folks can't stomach it. I use statistics a lot - always bring a seller back to the "numbers" and data which I tell sellers "do not lie."  As much as anyone wants to believe their home is worth what the one sold down the street for two years ago ... it simply will not! There is absolutely no data to support it. We do the sellers, the market and ourselves a disservice by listing high. I recently told a seller that I would not take a listing at the price they wanted to list - and we listed $60K below what their pie in the sky price was.

4:19pm • #23
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I loved your title - Listing Agents in La-la Land.  How true!  As a listing agent, it does no good to LIST a property unless you can SELL it.  And unless it's in La-la Land, price it right and save yourself and your sellers a lot of brain damage.... 

4:38pm • #24
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Reason number 647 why I often visit this blog. Do our clients really want spin? No... not ever. They want a professional who does homework. Yes... they probably want to work with an optimistic, can-do type of person... but not at the expense of market reality. Great post Mirela (and, once again, you've scooped me... I was about to blog about this.)

6:40pm • #25
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Thanks Mirella

In certain things, especially the markets we have to look at thing the way they are not the way we wish them to be. Understanding how the market is and getting the best price in that market is an agent's job. You are right, if your client needs educating then do it!

7:28pm • #26
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Listings have to be priced realistic or they will simply sit and sit and sit. And if there is a offer that does magically come in on an overpriced listing, the reality is the home will not appraise.

7:37pm • #27
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Mirela,

I couldn't agree with you more---we must be brutally but nicely honest with our sellers.

7:39pm • #28
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Mirela- you are one smart woman and I have been sayting the same thing.  I am finding not only sellers are still unlrealistic, but the lenders handing short sales and foreclosures are over-valuing properties as well.  It is going to take a long time for things to get sorted out.

7:50pm • #29

Excellent post Mirela,

 

Buyers will always determine prices, not sellers, not the friends of sellers and certainly not real estate agents.  it is obvious here in Lexington that many of the agents value getting a listing over telling it like it really is.

Paul

8:11pm • #31
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HI MIRELA!

Very good for beginning blogging!!  Mine wasn't nearly this good.  And you're so right about lowering prices.  Not enough agents took your advice.

8:25pm • #32
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Mirela- Isn't it nice to know you have been on the ball this whole time?! I struggle with knowing what I've told my clients and still they don't listen.  I'm getting a little bit vindicated though in that two clients who chose to list elsewhere have come back and said, wow we should have listened to you. Sadly they can't make now what they could have then!  Great Post, I'm sticking to my guns!

9:17pm • #33

When I got into the business almost eighteen months ago, things were just starting to get crazy and have not gotten any better.  Luckily I had a broker that educated me on comps that are active, sold and pending and letting that information tell the story to the sellers.

It's interesting to see their reactions when you show it to them in black and white.  I've even started inserting in all my Listing Agreements that if there is no activity or offers on the listing within 45 days of the signed agreement, the seller has to agree to adjust the price to market conditions.  This saves a lot of headaches and blame.

 

9:34pm • #34
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MM - Oopsie.  It wasn't you.  Seems my eyeballs scanned it & saw "you".  It was actually another blogger's comment.  My apologies!  Her name starts w/M & ends w/A just like you and has 6 letters.  That's what i get for looking at comments with one eye closed.  :).  KM

9:38pm • #35
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What is there to say other than AMEN?  If an agent isn't comfortable with these kind of conversations, they need to practice and get the skills in place ASAP.  It  has always been critical to understand inventory and absorption rates and know your market well, but it is becoming even more important than ever.

10:04pm • #36
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Mirela -

Interestiing, thought provoking post.  Indeed, this is where the market has come.

However, some agents, desparate for a listing, will agree with uninformed sellers on their too-high list price.  They list, the listing expires, and they make no money, while the client feels the agent is no good, and they paint the entire local RE industry with the same brush.

As usual, a few desparate, bad agents ruin professional respect for the rest of us.  We always have to be vigilant, and work hard, to restore that earned respect.

Make sense?

DEAN & DEAN'S TEAM CHICAGO

11:47pm • #37
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2008
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We have to educated our sellers and explain to them the realities of the market.  We don't do them any favors by not doing so and are more likely to lead to frustrated, unhappy sellers by not doing so.

12:22am • #38
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The problem is with the agent who are unrealistic, or tries to "buy the listing."  They will tell the seller what they want to hear . . .  You know, in their "professional opinion" that the home should be priced between $ and $ (pick a price range, for example purposes).  If it's 10% higher then the rest, they might get the listing since they are presenting a much higher price.  People are gullible, and they WANT to have direction and guidance.  And they want their price!  So when you have an agent that is NOT like you are, and from the posts, like the majority of honest agents on here -- they will give the seller a totally unreasonable listing price just to get the listing.  Might be a good idea for listing agents to caution against this type of tactic in their listing presentation!?!? 

12:54am • #39
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Mirela Enlightening post and right on point. I cannot beleive anyone would take listings overpriced right now. You're so right about sellers hating you if you don't sell it.

7:36am • #40

Price it to sell!

9:02am • #41
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I ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE ON THIS ONE!  I just get sick and tired of all of the agents out there who tell people what they want to hear.  I tell people that I am going to tell you the way it is, like it or not, and you probably will not, but IT IS WHAT IT IS!

9:24am • #42

Mirela,

I didn't realize the market in that area was that low.  What is the rental market like.  I have a couple of investors that are looking to move money down here from up north. 

9:26am • #43
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Mirela, Your right. What goes up must come down! Hopefully once it hits bottom it will bounce.

10:29am • #44
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I am so glad you posted this again. Now days "I see a lot of agents in denial." too and it only make sit worse because they pass this denial on to the buyers and sellers that make up our business!

12:21pm • #45
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It is your fiduciary responsibility to tell them the reality of the market. Thus, if a market is going down 1% a month, pricing it at last month or the month's before sales is ridiculous.  Price it at next month's pricing or the next which may be 3-5% off of your comps.  This is one of the biggest reasons why listings in a down market take so long to sell.  They are not priced to the market, they are priced to yesterday's market. 

4:18pm • #46
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Well you're right - the big plummet is still happening, looking like a free fall in some areas. Condo hotels that sold for $229,000 in 2006 now sell for $125,000 in the area near Disney in Orlando (we work in two markets).  Just discovered your blogs and look forward to reading more of them. A recent realtor mag said "Know your numbers." I think that is one of the major values we give to our clients/customers. Thanks for the reminder.

8:24pm • #47
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There are so many extraordinary comments here, that I've actually written a blog about the comments:

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9:36pm • #48
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YES you Nailed it right on the spot!!  PRICE IS EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW!!!!

Help your sellers everyone!! Get it priced right the first time!

Thanks

Tom Davis

World Class Delaware Realtor

11:12pm • #49
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23
2008
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Mirela,

The marketplace in our economy determines the price levels, not what some sellers or some real estate agents think. That is the best and fairest way to set value to assets, but for some it's hard to understand.

8:31am • #50
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And if it's not priced right.... or if the market has dropped since you listed it, get those price reductions now!

12:27pm • #51
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28
2008
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If that was your original post from last year, you  read the future!  That is exactly where we are today, below market value.

Can you also tell us what the next phase will be?  And when we can expect it?  Pull out your crystal ball...we need encouragement now, TODAY!

1:28pm • #52
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13

I always tell my sellers the TRUTH...and then if list higher, I talk to them every WEEK about the price reduction ... getting a PRICE reducation is like getting a NEW LISTING!  If the sellers don't list with me I keep track of it and if it doesn't sell I get a hold of them when expired or if it does sell, it is 95% of the time at what I suggested I send them a quick note to congratulate them and a copy of the CMA...  :-)

But even the REO companies are listing higher than they should ... who has ever heard of a bank owned property being on the market for 180 days or more ... that is CRAZY... PRICE it right from the GATE... you ask us Realtors what a 30 day sales price is... if the Realtor knows their business they will give it to you... then PRICE it there.

3:14am • #53

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