The severity of the state of our credit markets, should be a wake up call for anyone who has not yet made the time to get educated on what’s been going on in our financial markets, today and over the last 20 years.

 

Understanding the speculation that led to the Great Depression, the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act and how less regulation has impacted the banking industry, the global impacts of our financial system, should all be considered as we head into uncharted territory and try to figure out how to move forward.

 

I don’t have the answer of what exactly will fix this mess, but I do know that a well thought out plan needs to be crafted, that includes restoring liquidity to our credit markets, decreasing our dependence on credit and restoring common sense rules to the process of issuing credit to consumers. It should include many other items, including accountability, that I will not go into at this time.

 

Today we lost $1.1 trillion dollars in net worth as a result of the market’s 778 point drop, which represented a 7% drop and the biggest point drop ever! In case you are wondering how this compares to previous drops, here is a list of historic stock market collapses:

 

12.8%: Drop in the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) on Black Tuesday (Oct. 29, 1929)

22.6%: 508 points Largest one-day percentage drop in stock market history (Black Monday, Oct. 19, 1987)

4.4%: 504 point drop in the DJIA on Sept. 15, 2008

(If the markets continue to drop, there are circuit breakers that were introduced after the crash in October 1987 and then further revised to take into account the increased volume and index levels. There are trigger levels or circuit breakers for a one day decline of 10%, 20% and 30% of the DJIA. These levels are calculated at the beginning of each calendar quarter using the average closing value of the DJIA for the previous month to establish specific point values for each quarter.)

For more information on this, check out the SEC’s website.

Unfortunately this credit crisis and the fall in the financial markets impacts all of us directly, through our 401k, IRA, money markets, annuities and just as importantly being unable to obtain access to home loans, business loans etc.

We need to move beyond partisan labels and the finger pointing, because the impacts, in the end, will be felt by everyone.

 

 

 

 

Disclaimer: All information in this post is subject to change without notice and is an opinion, is not guaranteed, may be time sensitive, as well as based on information collected from many sources which are not guaranteed to be reliable.

 

6 Comments on A perspective on our current....well......financial mess!

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Ana- We are a strong and resiliant people. We will rise again. I do agree that it behooves us all to learn economics but we must also look at facts, not what the press and media and Congress are telling us.

It is NOT lack of regulation that brought this mess about. In fact, it was regulation and lack of oversight of that regulation that brought us to where we are today.

In fact, if the market to market valuation system of regulation on the banks was in effect, which it was not, in 1929, all the banks then would have failed. You see, only one bank failed during the depression. If this market to market evaluation were in effect, (regulation), back in 1929, we would still be in the great depression.

When Wall Street crashed in 1929- well, that did not cause the great depression.

It was regulation and bad decisions of Hoover and Roosevelt.

Read, The Forgotten Man: A New History Of The Great Depression by Amity Shlaes. A great insight to this.

During the S& L crisis, if the same regulations we have today were in effect back then, well, we would have had a second great depression and the commercial banks would have all failed. That did not happen because we have free markets. Instead of a great depression we had a recession.

I was just watching some congressional hearing back in 2004 where Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were swearing under oath as they were cooking the books that their oversights were in order. That has nothing to do with regulation, that has to do with corruption.

The heavy strong arm regulatory practices of Congress putting pressure on the banks to loan money to those who could not pay it back through the Congress's Redevelopment projects, RSEs, were fought by the banks. The banks knew this would be bad paper, but Congress threatened them and forced them to partipate through this horrible regulation.

This bail out plan does not need to happen if we make our dollar stronger. That needs to be the priority, not bailouts. Capitalism works, free markets work themselves out, as long as government doesn't start messing with it. Katerina

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Nestor & Katerina, I agree that some questionable practices have been in place.....but does that not lead us back to needing regulation and oversight?  Just a thought......thank you for stopping by and commenting!

 

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Ana- Market to Market valuations is regulation. This type of regulation does not work in free markets. RSE regulations are regulations.

Oversight and regulation are two different things. Regulation does not stop questionable practices.

Selling street drugs is regulated and against the law, but it still goes on every day. No amount of regulation will stop corruption. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Regulations stagnate economies and do not allow the free markets to move and work themselves out. 

Steve Forbes has some great insights into this, another person well respested in the business community.

Sharing my opinion, great discussion, thanks!

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I should clarify, Nestor, I think we need better more updated regulation and oversight. 

I agree with you that some of the accounting rules don't make sense.  Your example of the street drugs makes an excellent case for having the cops/resources on hand to crack down on the illegal activity.   Part of the question/analysis needs to ask who the behavior/activity harms? Who provides the oversight?  How do you measure/track accountability?

Have the SEC and the FED done their jobs in providing critical oversight?  Since greed and corruption seem to go together I think you can make the case for having certain controls in place. 

You are right that Steve Forbes blames mark to market as part of this mess, but he is a firm supporter of a bailout......watch him on fox business today.

 

12:52am • #4
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Ana and Nestor, some very interesting points.  Thank you Nestor for your incite.  I really think that if the government does any sort of bail out package there should be a provision to reclaim the unreal salaries of corrupt or inept CEO's that received unbelievable buyouts to leave.  This is rediculous that someone could "cook" their books and walk away more wealthy than when they took the job.  Another interesting fact that I saw on a youtube video was the amount of campaign contributions that the liberal candidate for the white house received from the now taken over fannie mae and freddie mac it was something like $130K the conservative? candidate received less that $1K from the same companies.  Another of the facts that are never mention is the legislation that required the banks and mortgage companies to do a certain percentage of sub prime loans, like Nestor mentioned.  And in fact one of the junior attorneys in litigation to force a company to make more subprime loans was in fact the liberal candidate for the white house.  I don't wish to argue politics, because there is more than enough blame to go around, I just think that the facts should get out.  I wish that I had paid better attention to sources on the youtube video, as the owner pulled it when I went to look at it an hour or so ago, and it is getting late, so my memory is failing me a little.  Like I said some interesting insight into our situation!

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What I find almost comical is that by blocking this so called "bailout bill" that was supposed to cost $700 billion dollars... the failure to do so caused the stock market to lose, by some experts estimates... one trillion dollars in one day by dropping 777 points.  So... if the point of blocking the bill was to save the taxpayers the 700 billion dollars... the stock market plunge just cost the stock market investors that same 700 billion... plus 300 billion more. 

Great job... conservative Republicans !  With friends like you in the Congress... your fellow moderate Republicans don't even need the Democrats to contend with.

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