Mike MuellerI've been working hard on a commercial deal that just didn't make sense.

It started back here: http://activerain.com/blogsview/60085/-Commercial-is-Different 

The clients made some pretty serious mistakes prior to coming to me. 

  • They bought this 6 unit apartment for too much money,
  • They bought in the wrong neighborhood,
  • They bought in the wrong city,
  • They bought in the wrong market,
  • They bought the building in the wrong condition,
  • The Rent Roll was too little,
  • The Loan amount was too high,
  • They financed with the wrong loan terms.

In the end, (and it's nearing the end for them) this little foray into income property investment is going to cost them and there is little I can do to stop the impending doom!  This saddens me greatly.  I just came into the picture - I wasn't a part of the purchase, or the last refinance.  I only was called to the party a couple of weeks ago.

My client isn't a real estate speculator.  She's a single mother and grandmother.  She's a full time RN with 20+ years on the job.  She's facing upcoming retirement soon and this venture just took a serious chunk out of her future.  Starting next month she'll probably start to fall behind on her payments.  Her credit will be trashed, it's already taken a serious hit with mortgage lates.  The building will go NOD and then Foreclosure.  The $250,000 in equity she once had will vaporize.  She has a home loan she needs to get out of as well but I can't touch it with her credit scores.

I've tried traditional commercial lenders, Hard Money commercial lenders.  I've looked at ways we could bring a family member in to help secure better financing.  I've looked at selling the property to a family member.  Yet, everything I've tried - nothing makes sense.  The numbers just don't add up.  The property doesn't cash flow.

So in the end, despite all my best efforts, they have literally and financially Painted Themselves Into A Corner.

You can put the blame on the borrower.   Or you can put the blame on the Realtor, or the mortgage person.  It doesn't matter, in many ways they are all to blame. 

In the end I know of a pretty little 3rd grader who's Grandmother isn't going to be able to spoil her in the way she should and that's just plain sad.

Mike Mueller

 


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10 Comments on Somebody is going to lose their Investment

APR
10
2007

The buyer is the only one to blame.  If you are going to take on an investment of this type, you should have done your due diligence.  Ultimately the buyer decided that they wanted to pay too much, in the neighborhood of their choice, in the city and market of their choice, in the condition of their choice, with the rents and loan of their choice.  People really need to start taking responsibility for their own actions.  At any part of this purchase, was there a gun to her head? 

Don't get me wrong, this is sad.  It happens often, but it is because people enter into large purchases/investments way too lightly.

8:23am • #1
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It is unfortuante that this happens but someone either acted in a shadey manner knowing full well the numbers didn't work and or your client lacked the skill to ask the right questions.  SHe listend to some one in the know who blew smoke up her skirt and she responded predictability and as a result she was hooked just like the trout you pull in when you fish.   Ultimately, greed probably was her down fall.. don't get me wrong... Folks taking advantage of this short coming is wrong but it ultimately fails back to the buyer to know what they are doing.... and to know who they are dealing with at all levels.... including their investment counselor...
8:28am • #2
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She's facing retirement soon and took a foray into real estate..apartments?

 Geeze.  Sad, but this sounds like a person who was looking for a quick score without doing any homework.  She's not a speculator?

Seriously... an equity mutual fund is where many, many people go for their retirement run - not 6 unit apartment complexes.

8:40am • #3
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Richard, and Michael - Thanks for the comments!  I agree with you it's the buyers fault.  But then I'll also disagree with you (and that's ok) 

In this case the buyer was led by an agent who's primary job was to sell the property.  She apparently advised her clients to buy, then refi and pull cash out to fix up the place.  She worked with the loan officer who set them up in the now 13.75% loan.

I believe as professionals we have a certain responsibility to the client.  You'll agree with me on that - right?  Much in the same way I'll defer to my doctors opinion on matters he's better qualified on than I am (to a certain extent).  However if I go to my MD for an ingrown toenail, and he wants to drill a hole in my head I may have serious objections and seek another opinion. (I know - not an accurate metaphor).

But to the real estate investor, it's a sea of numbers out there.  Cap Rates, Rent Rolls, DSCR, it's all a foreign language to them.  Don't we, as professionals have some sort of moral and professional obligation to do them right?  The world would be a sad place if everyone took advantage of everyone else because they didn't do their due diligence.

 


8:45am • #4
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Rob - True, it isn't the best idea for an investment.  If she wanted investment RE in her portfolio I'm sure her financial planner (if she had one) would have directed her to a REIT.  But she didn't and she didn't.  Maybe she was looking for something that would produce an income stream at the time.  Maybe the agent told her she'd get it down the road.  Truth be told - I don't know.  I do know she was misled or misguided by someone or someone(s) she trusted.


8:51am • #5
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Yeah, if the numbers were off that much - someone sold her a forest in the Sahara.
8:52am • #6

It is our job to advise our client, not make their decisions for them.  As long as they were professionals and provided her with the information to make the decision, they did their jobs. 

Was it the client's, the lender's, or the Realtor's idea to pull the equity out and re-fi?  If it was the client's idea and the Realtor and lender assisted the client in getting the services necessary, then they were working in the customer's best interest.  But if they were the one's leading her into this then that is another issue. 

Again, a second opinion would have been in order or a little bit of research on her part would have been recommended.

9:30am • #7

I agree with Mike's response to Richard & Michael.  As professionals in our chosen field, we have an ethical obligation to advise our clients of our honest opinion on whether or not the path they are on is a good one for them or not.  We've all had clients that choose to do things that we think is not wise.  When that happens with my clients, I give them my advice that they should either not proceed, or do so in a different manner.  Sometimes they choose to take my advice.  If they choose to proceed anyways, I will assist them and get them the best deal possible, keeping their best interests mind.

If this lady's agent and/or loan officer advised her strongly not to do this deal and she proceeded anyways, then it's 100% her responsibility.  However, from the info presented, it certainly does not sound like she received any advice of caution. 

It is very easy for many people to be swayed by professionals to make investments that are not in the individual's best interest.  People often hear "you'll never lose money in real estate", even though there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.  We need to be the voice of reason & caution.

12:05pm • #8
APR
11
2007

At this point we are only hearing the buyer's story.  I can't tell you the number of times that I have said things to clients only to repeat them later.  Only to repeat them later.  Just to say it again.  To reiterate on that.  Etc...

People only hear about 1/10 of what you say and even that goes out the window if they don't want to hear it in the first place. 

6:59pm • #9
APR
15
2007
Due Diligence was no where to be found in this situation prior to you. Too bad. A simple cap calculation would of told her to run fast as the gingerbread man away from this deal.
7:59am • #10

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