Sorry, I didn't get a chance to do updates during the week, things were moving so fast that I barely had the time to keep on top of them myself.  Pretty much everybody is fixated on the "crash" in the stock markets with major US indexes plunging about 17% on the week, but equity markets are just a symptom, it's important to look at the cause. 

The deterioration in the credit markets on a daily basis was simply stunning, and resulted in a near lock down of both intrabank lending and financial commercial paper markets by the end of the week.

Bond market dislocates

We saw what is referred to as a dislocation in the bond market early this week, and these types of dislocations, historically without fail have lead to stock market crashes.  Basically we had money fleeing long term US treasury bonds, causing their price to plummet and thus the yield to increase.  This happened at the same time the opposite occurred in short term US treasury bonds as people flocked to safety, and at times in the week even drove the yield on 13 week treasuries negative.  Talk about fear when the lender is willing to pay interest.

There is a very strong correlation between equities (stocks) and bonds, as money moves out of stocks it typically moves into bonds and vice versa.  So, if stock prices are going up, bond prices almost always going down at the same time.  We saw this correlation totally destroyed this week, as stocks were crashing, long bond prices were plummeting (yields increasing). This indicates capital, probably foreign capital fleeing long term US treasuries.  Chart below of the ten year treasury yield and second the DOW during the week. Yes, this is VERY bad.

What caused the dislocation?

Simply put it was CAUSED by the $700B bailout and the FED's buying of the commercial paper early this week.  The reason is simple supply and demand economics. It was something many people saw coming and I mentioned was one of the reasons I was so adamant the bailout had to be stopped.  The bailout means the US Treasury has to issue significantly more long term US Treasuries to fund it, while at the same time the demand for them is staying essentially flat or possibly even decreasing.  Increased supply with flat demand means prices of long term treasuries are going way down and yields (interest rates) are going way up.  It's not rocket science. Even though the treasuries have yet to issued the bond market is beginning the process of pricing it in.

The more we try to bail things out the higher we will force long term interest rates, ultimately extending and deepening the real economic pain.  If the stock market had not crashed at the same time forcing money into bonds to hide, we would have seen an absolute explosion in long term rates this week.

What does it mean?

As a real estate agent or loan officer the implications will probably scare the you know what out of you.  Rates are almost certainly going much higher over the next few months, and I think there is a possibility of a 1930's style bond market collapse being triggered.  If this type of bond market collapse does occur, we're not talking a 1 or 2% increase in rates, we're talking at minimum double where they are now and in the space of a year.  Yes, I know it that seems improbable, but it's happened before under similar circumstances.

Below is a chart of the 1930's bond market collapse, and we are almost matching the event chain perfectly (we're finishing the flight to quality stage).  While i hope history does not repeat, our policy makers seem dead set on following the exact same ill fated path and the bailout may have pushed us across the event horizon.

 

* Lower bond prices mean higher yield/interest rates.

Credit market indicators

I mentioned above many indicators of stress in the credit markets went through unbelievable deterioration on a daily basis during the week.  One of the main ones I watch is the TED spread which is the spread between 3 month treasury yields and 3 month LIBOR rates.  The higher it goes the more stress. This is because short term treasury yields drop in times of fear because they are considered the safest place to stash money while LIBOR will increase as banks become more fearful of lending.

The long term average spread is about 30 basis points and anything over 200 basis points is crisis mode.  We started the week at 382 basis points and continuously ramped to finish at 464 basis points.

As indicated by TED spread LIBOR rates continued to explode during the week.  Overnight LIBOR rates ramped to well over 4% as banks became fearful of lending to each other, until collapsing on Friday due to coordinated central bank action.  But 3 month LIBOR continued on it's ramp and is now close to double what is was just two months ago. LIBOR rates are extremely important because there is over $300T in worldwide debt that is in someway tied to these rates.  So they go up, borrowing costs for banks and businesses go way up, and almost every business is reliant on credit to some degree.

From a banking perspective banks often borrow at LIBOR and lend at a rate tied to the the FED's target rate.  So the increasing spreads and other effects on the yield curve are absolutely destroying the ability of the banks and other financial institutions ability to make money.

Other significant events

* Iceland's banking and financial system collapses during the week forcing them into official bankruptcy on Friday

* Hungary's bond market collapses

* Japan's main banks began firewalling themselves off from other world banks and refusing to lend

* World equity markets plunged, in most cases worse than US's, with trading suspended indefinitely by several of them including Russia

* G7 meetings going on this weekend and everybody is scrambling for a solution

Stock market stuff

Even though I'm a very active trader myself I generally avoid talking about stock markets on my blog here at ActiveRain.  I try to keep it to credit markets that have a direct impact on rates and loan availability and thus the real estate industry.  The stock plunge we've seen in the last couple weeks has certainly been pretty devastating, for comparison here's the 2000 dot com crash on a monthly chart vs. our current one.

For many reasons both technical and fundamental I think we are very overdue to a violent snap back rally in this bear market, probably starting this week, but we also have a long ways to go still before we put in an ultimate bottom in the bear market.  So be safe...

 

29 Comments on Credit Market Update For The Week - Bond Market Dislocates

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11
2008
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Whew, I'm glad our financial advisors see a little more "hope" for the future.  I'm depressed enough with his analysis and forecast.

3:41pm • #1
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What scares, me is while my timing has often been early, my forecasts have been spot on for the last year and a half.  I don't want this one to come true...

4:15pm • #2
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Right on the money Matt.  Don't forget the massive unemployment in the tech industry following that crash. 

While those employees weren't in commission based sales as are real estate agents and loan officers, the severe lack of transactions alone should significantly reduce our ranke. 

Many of the tech employees had a lot of money tied up in stock options and many were never able to sell their stock when it was marketable for anything. 

While our jobs are different, the retraction in the industry will have the same result.  Folks looking for jobs.  I dare say that the average tech employee had more marketable skills than the average real estate agent. 

 

5:19pm • #3
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Matt,  How are you positioning yourself to take advantage of your predictions?

Do you believe we are headed for hyperinflation?  I've begun getting into silver, both physical and paper because I just can't understand how all of this money that has been created can not end up causing a huge inflation problem.

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Matt, sounds to me like the worst place your money could be is in Financial Institutions and anywhere in the Stockmarket. Best place to put your money is in Real Estate, the Value of homes will not evaporate. People have to live somewhere and while they are riding out all this turbulance it does not matter if the home values drop 20% there is still a Structure and Land that will come back in Value over time. Can't say the same for Companies and their stocks. For example CBS might dissappear and life will go on.

5:51pm • #5
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Lenn, all those tech/telecom/daytrader people became RE and Mortgage pros.

6:08pm • #6
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Matt...

Oh My. You're gonna make me think aren't ya? :)

TLW...ROAR!

 

 

6:27pm • #7
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This really is a tough situation and when one side is sat on another pops up. It is like trying to put tooth paste back in the tube

6:32pm • #8
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I totally agree. 2002 was worse. The media won't tell you that ofcourse. This is after all the worst market ever in their eyes. Stay positive people, and be prepared for the bulls as they come roaring back. Now's a good time to start looking ahead.

7:24pm • #9
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Matt,

What's going on is rather scary. The financial markets today are so complicated that it seems even the best brains in Washington really don't understand it all. Therefore, how can they solve the problems except by going through trial and error stuff. As regulators, if you don't understand it, then don't approve it to be regulated. Much of it is too late now.

7:57pm • #10
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Wow, I'm kinda shocked this post got featured on ActiveRain, it's got some downright scary implications.

Tim: I've had believed for some time we were headed for severe deflation, not hyperinflation.  Simply put the deflationary pressures of the credit collapse has been far larger than the amount of credit the FED has pumped in so far. From the recent policy actions it appears the policy makers are hell bent on trying to inflate us out of this.  I think the policy makers believe they can strike that perfect line and inflate just enough to balance out the deflationary effects, but that is almost destined to fail.  Hyperinflation if it comes to pass will be MUCH worse than deflation would have been.  I'm just not quite sold on which one it is yet.

For all intents and purposes I'm sitting in cash right now and waiting to see what happens.  I actively trade some of the short term trends in stocks, bonds and commodities but that is insanely difficult in these types of volatile markets.  There's a saying that in times like these, return of capital is more important than return on capital.

8:10pm • #11
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Thank you Matt for putting your analysis out there for everyone.  Trying to sort it out myself has been impossible (exhausting?).  We are just going to have to ride it out the best we can.   We were selling houses when interest rates were 17% or more.  The strong will survive and prosper when it turns around.   Can't say I'm in a jolly mood though, after reading your post!

8:25pm • #12
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We can survive the interest rate doubling, as we did in the 80s, and I think the worst crisis is the fear of what's going to happen next. The government never should have done the first bailout. It would have been a big fall, but then it would have been over and we could recover.

9:21pm • #13
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Cash is king and we all need to be aware of the financial markets but I am afraid of it now and I don't think I'm alone on this.

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Matt - You are amongst the few who understand the nature of the beast.  With LIBOR rates as they are, when the adjustables come due, we will see another wave of foreclosures. Sort of like a neverending story. I am not sure how we can fight our way out of this debacle unless our government figures out how to recapitalize America. Any ideas??? Eliminating the capital gains tax, the tax on interest income (what little there is left) and the IRS in favor of a flat tax, may help stimulate things.  Maybe people would look to buy homes/condos as investment vehicles again!

10:10pm • #15
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I guess the game needs to be played to see how it is going to come out. 

I think a start would be to get rid of corporate income taxes.

11:37pm • #16
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Matt,

Thank you for the update on this mess.  I enjoy your take on what's going on and look forward to every post. 

12:29am • #17
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Great analysis Matt. I am restructuring my business to be much more aggressive in REOs and short sales. REOs because there are going to be a ton of poroperties that will need to be unloaded and short sales because the banks would much rather that happen and thye will be getting better systems in place to deal with us.

Scary times we are in.

 

 

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It's rare that I read EVERY word of comments and Blog - But I was rivited to my seat -  I appreciate your somewhat understandable assessment - (But I did have to mute the TV and I found myself reading aloud to make sure I didn't miss the meaning of a particular section).   I find it interesting that you've decided to hold everything in cash at this point - If everyone takes that approach, what will be the effect on the market?  

8:25am • #20
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Just what we need---higher interest rates.  Youo did a great job with this post--very informative.

8:26am • #21
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You shouldn't be surprised that this got featured!  All seems pretty accurate to me.  My poor husband still has nightmares from the three words you mentioned in Vegas while drinking the fishbowl 'o' margarita.

Anyways, I have been sitting tight and waiting for the double digit interest rates.  The bailout did nothing to help us there or the value of our dollar.  Keep the updates coming :)

9:48am • #22
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Renee: Believe it or not the dollar has actually been skyrocketting the last couple weeks.  Why?  The world has finally woken up to the fact that while the US is pretty screwed, Europes banking system is in even worse shape.

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Matt, top notch analysis.  I have been trying to figure out how we haven't had a more striking inflationary reports up to this point.  Thanks for pointing out how this credit crisis is affecting world markets. AJ 

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Matt, thanks for the insightful and informative analysis. It has been giving me a headache trying to figure this all out, when I think I have, things already changed about 4 times by that short time. ~Rita

10:59pm • #25
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13
2008
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Matt,

One of the problems we are facing is the government's attempts to "fix" the problem.  One way, or the other (Hyper-Inflation, or grand scale Deflation) we are going to pay the price for all the leveraged gains in a very similar way to the Dot Com crash.  The difference is that this crash is more widespread due to the foundation ties to real estate,  and the CDS, CDO market.  I pray that I'm wrong in a lot of my personal predictions (not what I post in my Market Update), but I believe we are entering a much more prolonged Bear Market than most are prepared for.  I'm afraid we're only in the beginning stages of government "throwing money at the problem."  I have done likewise as you in pulling most of my investments, and although the "loss is realized" by those actions I feel there is still more room to fall.  While we are mirroring the graphs from the Great Depression, I keep hearing that Bernanke is the one to guide us out due to his concentration of study in that era.  However, I do not believe the "lessons" he learned from that study directly correlate given the Hyper-speed at which information travels today versus 75 years ago (among other things).

Hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

Ron

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The one thing that I have learned over the years is that it is impossible to predict a market as there is no means of predicting human behavior.  I have seen time after time where people have all the data to proove a prediction, yet the market goes in another direction.  Why?  Because the human behavior factor is not put in the calculation. Why?  Because you can not quantify it.  Markets are all based on perception of the future....perception on what one thinks will occur...not reality.  Let's check back in six months and see what reality ended up being........

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