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CUSTOMER SERVICE ..... Do you remember what it meant?  When it existed?  It's one thing to be unhappy about a specific service, but what about when you have been lied to or misled?

We as Americans don't seem to complain as often as we should. There are several reasons why we wouldn't complain, no matter how severe the issue.

  • We just want satisfaction now.... the me me me theory.
  • It takes time to complain and sometimes to complain correctly - we are a fast paced society and we just don't want to take the time.
  • We have pride and complaining can sometimes feel like you are the lesser person who is involved. It can be psychological at times. 

 

So how do you handle things when they don't go your way or as promised? Are you a pistol? Are you submissive? I want to make this post specifically to real estate and mortgages. What about if you have a botched settlement? Or if the loan officer changed your rate and or closing costs at the time of closing? Yes,  it happens, but how do you handle it?  We need to stand up and complain,  take the appropriate actions.

 

 

So, let's use an example for all intense of purposes. I am a loan officer that has promised a closing on the 12th of November with $2,000 out of pocket to the buyer. The 11th roles around and I tell you I need another week to close this loan, for what ever excuse was used. Now it's a week and I ask for one more extension. Bingo, we finally make it, two weeks later. But the day of closing, I tell you that you need another $1,500. You complain, rant, and rave. (possibly more than this, but we'll keep it "PG") But because you want the house so bad, you come up with the extra money. Okay, you aren't a happy camper, but you have the keys. You call up the loan officer, because they weren't even at the closing and say, "you won't be getting a referral from me."  The loan officer under his/her breathe, "oh well, I made my money."  Now, you both go your separate ways...... This shouldn't stop here and here is what can be done.  (ps)... I have heard some stories to where nobody can even get a hold of the loan officer at closing. What does this tell you?

 

 

solutions  I want to list some tips when it comes to complaining. I also want to give you a few places to complain to. We need to work together on this. You can't have the mentality and say, "just my complaint alone won't help". The more people that complain, the better chance of things changing.

 

 

  • First off, don't be angry. Don't blow your top, because nobody likes a hot tempered jerk. Even though we know that the customer is always right, don't act like this. Remember, you get a lot more flies with honey.
  • Work your way up. If you don't feel like you are getting anywhere with your point of contact, go to their supervisor. Work your way up if you don't get timely results.
  • Be persistent. It could be frustrating at first, but some of these good sales people will wait you out. Hoping that you fold or give up.
  • Document -  Make sure you have copies of anything previously that was changed to the most recent outcome. Keeping detailed notes makes it easier to go over the complaint and it doesn't look like you are making things up on the fly.
  • The sympathy trap --  This happens more when your point of contact has made promises and missed many of the deadlines. Sometimes the other person tries to control the conversation or the events that have taken place.
  • Complain in writing - Not only make a few phone calls, but make sure you send your complaints to the people that you spoke to, making copies. And send them certify mail. And always send a copy to the main office, the headquarters, or to corporate.
  • Spread the bad news --  Word of mouth is one of your best weapons.  People do talk....

 

 

Who else to report certain mortgage related instances to :

1.  Call the  BBB or go to their online complaint system (Better Business Bureau).

2.  Or go to Google and type in state license complaints for mortgages. With this search, you will pull up many different states. If your state isn't there, just type in your state name ____________ followed by mortgage complaints.

          3.  And or go to the NAMB site. (National Association of Mortgage Brokers

 

 

Keep this in mind.... Don't be a back seat driver.  Stand up for your rights. If enough of us complain, things can change for the better.

 


2 things to remember as a professional and as the consumer :

1.  As the consumer --  Don't just accept bad or poor service. Do something about it.


2.  As a professional -- Something that I learned a long time ago... keep your clients expectations to a certain level. Under promise and over deliver.

 

 

Disclosure: This does not happen to everyone. Nor is every loan officer a bad loan officer. But this is based on real life examples from the past, from speaking to other realtors and consumers. And it does happen!!!!

 

 

 

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52 Comments on Is complaining such a negative thing? -- What do you do about it?

OCT
20
2008
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Jeff, your story underscores why I preach so much about strong relationships within ones network. The better the realtionship, the better the communication, the less problems there are. This does not mean that problems don't happen. For goodness sake we are in the mortgage business and last time I checked, it was full of human beings! But mitigating problems is paramount to a strong network of professionals that understand how to do their job and communicate to all the players involved.

Bo

4:42pm • #1
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Depends on the type of complaining. Most as long as it's constructive is in place to help us improve our customer service which it seems like almost all companies have lost now a days. But I make sure to praise companies or others for good things done, which is just important for continued sucess of a company.

4:46pm • #2

If someone constructively complains, and has factual information to back it up, I am all ears, and do right by them, and learn from it. 

Professionally speaking, keep the lines of communication open, keep good records, and do your job as well or even better than you would expect someone to work for you.

Occasionally, you find that the emotional side of the real estate sales can cause common sense to dissolve. In my experience, I have seen from both sides "play the victim". 

---I rarely get "angry".  If anything I find it funny when someone else gets their panties in bunch, but nonetheless, I respectfully listen.

 

 

 

4:52pm • #3
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Very good advice and key points to remember. I always try to remind myself that there is usually someone, somewhere who has it worse than me! And there always is.

Leslie

5:00pm • #4
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Hi Jeff.  A guide to complaining.  How funny.

Thanks again for the information.

Ken

6:00pm • #5
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Hi Jeff - I always go right to the top if I don't get anywhere with the little guy. No point in arguing with someone that can't make the big decisions.

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I find a civilized phone call or letter is VERY effective, and I have been very satisfied with reponses to those complaint calls and letters... One time I complained to a restaurant, an expensive one, we were unhappy with the service, it was horrible.  We received $250 in gift certificates to make up for that...OK, now you are talking, for that I will try it again. It is like they say "you get more flies with honey".

6:24pm • #7

I seem to hear more complaints from rentals than from sales.  Complaints are fine.  Especially legitimate ones because those issues should be addressed.  I just wish people took your advice and tried the nice route first.  If you're angry and telling me you have an attorney the first time you mention the problem, it won't change what I'm going to do, I just won't be happy doing it.  If there's a problem, it needs to be dealt with.  Most problems I hear about are totally out of my control, but I will make calls and see if there is anything I can do to help find a solution.  But really, I would do the same for a person who is nice as I would for the angry complainer.  I'll probably get things done faster  for the nice one, only because you need a few moments or an hour or two to regain your composure after talking with the angry one, before you can start working on solving the problem. 

6:25pm • #8
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Good step by step formula Jeff. So often, the perceived problem can turn out not to be a problem if the loan officer is open and communicative all the way through the process. Keep up the teaching Jeff.

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BO...... . of course strong relationships within a network or a group or with a person is so key. But this was just in regards to genaric issues. Meaning.... you come across a loan officer or realtor that you got on your own. You only know that person, so you will complain to them first. In most cases, that person you are complaining about won't handle the complaint correctly. So you need to take steps/actions. At least this is my opinion/.02.    thanks

HEATHER....... . hey, I don't have a problem with constructive critism. ... nor those that complain. I have always learned to keep my clients expectations to a certain level. This motto has helped in most cases.  And I agree, I will give good feedback when needed also. I totally believe that we all need positive feedback also, it feels great.

123 Happy Street ....... .  I agree, keeping communication open, will usually not lead to complaints. But this post was about the need for people to complain. Part of the issues that got us into the mortgage mess that we are in is because people let loan officers walk away from these messes. We needed to complain in the masses.  thanks for your input.

ALLEN..... . yes, I am sure that there are some that have it worse out there. Thanks for the compliments.

KEN...... . I am glad that I could make you laugh on a Monday, the start of the week. But seriously, read my comment to Heather and then to 123 Happy Street. This has been a growing problem and a concern of mine since I got into this business. People need to write their complaints to the companies that can report these individuals.

BILL..... .  I don't go right to the top right away. I try and give the benefit of the doubt at first. But I won't hesitate to go to the top quickly... thanks

PAT...... . yes, being civilized is crucial. I will get someone that is emotionally upset from time to time. I think that is awesome in what that restaurant did. It shows me that your business is very important. Some companies will just say, "oh well...".... and not care. But they forget how powerful the "word of mouth" can be.

 

KIRSTIN..... . yes, I agree, the nice route. As I was mentioning to Pat, above you, I have received some emotional and harsh complaints before...  and yes, people can get frustrated and emotional. And you are correct, it might take me a tad longer to act on their complaint and such, because I am trying to gather my composure, because of how I was talked to. I agree, I would get things done quicker if they didn't yell.

On another note, I love the ones to where you say.... after listening to their complaint... and say, okay, I need to go, let me go so I can take care of this. But no, they don't shut up... then that's where it could get bad. Because how am I suppose to react quickly enough to help them, if they won't let me get off the phone.  Kind of like a catch 22, right?  Thanks for your input.

 

6:47pm • #10
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Sometimes I think people are so overwhelmed by bad service that it simply takes too much effort to complain.  By the time things really aren't working, those same people are so angry and wound up (the dam has filed to breaking point) that everything comes out in a rush.  Unfortunately, we live in a time when most service provider are also overwhelmed and they are simply numb to the pain of others.  I find that when I get a really good service representative, that person is able to project a caring attitude and things work out much better. ~ Evelyn 

7:03pm • #11
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Super post!  I think it's important to start off with the person who caused the problem, giving him or her a chance to fix it.  Then star working your way up the ladder. 

8:10pm • #12
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Excellent - an outline of the proper way to complain - speaking up and being specific - so many just accept bad service.  Thanks, Jeff

8:16pm • #13

Giving feedback with the attitude of helping the shared client and improving the process is definitely the way to go!!

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Jeff,

That is a great checklist !  I certainly have complained (and laid into) several mortgage professionals that have botched deals in the last couple of weeks - or overpromised and underdelivered.

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Just write a post of exactly what happened  and optimize it a bit for so it comes up on the first page of a Google search.  Then use it as a type of blackmail to demand what you want to make it right.  I did this with a car dealer.  My complaint was coming up #3 when you Googled their name.  They actually called me and asked me what I wanted in order to take down my story.  Just be careful and have your facts straight.

9:02pm • #16
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Interesting post.  Some LOs must have really gotten to you in the past.  You have written a few things about Bad LOs.  I like the list though.  Many consumers (as you know) do not know where to complain.  I had not realize how many LOs are not even registered with NAMB.  I would think this would be a big deal if you are serious about your 'career'.  When I send my intro letter to clients, I have always included our state website with my lic#.  This way they know up front that I have an expectation to meet their goals and they should hold me to those goals.  In no way am I perfect, but I do my best.  Communication is huge and I never surprise the customer.  Nothing rattles a cage more than being WAY off on an estimate.

9:29pm • #17
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Jeff, When I was younger stuff really got to me.  Now it gets to me and I deal with it.  Screaming doesn't fix it, but I do think that if someone says they will get something done by a certain day, it should be done.  With that said, it doesn't always happen.  I tell my clients it should be on the day, but things can happen and you have to be prepared to shift gears.  In my state loan officers have just had to start getting a license to work.  I could not understand why the most important person in the deal, the guy with the money, didn't have to have any training or special education to do the job?  To complain about a lender in my area was like screaming into a vacuum.  You just had to work and hope lenders on your listings were the ones that did their jobs and did it correctly.

9:30pm • #18
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Jeff: You are 100% correct here.. At times one should complain.. and when you do so in a cool calm collective way, they will be cought off guard in most cases. This can be the best way to get things corrected.

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FRED..... . I agree, just having open communication along the way should be very helpful in keeping the calm. Thanks for the compliment.

EVELYN...... . very good point and something that I tried to bring up in my post... which we need to reach back and grab that extra energy so we can make a formal complaint. I have talked to several loan officers in the past that would bait & switch. Some are still in business and don't have any marks against them because nobody took the time to properly complain.  thanks for your feedback..

PATRICIA...... .  I agree, giving that person the benefit of the doubt. But if it goes beyond 2 promises that end up broken and or delayed settlements, no matter the benefit of the doubt, you need to bring it to someone else's attention. Just my opinion... and thanks for the kind compliment.

VIRGINIA...... .  I agree, so many do accept bad service. I remember once, 3 of my friends and I ordered 4 beers. All 4 were luke warm. I said we should bring it to someone's attention... they all said no. I said, do you like your beer?  They said no... I spoke up and we got cold beers. We can't believe that we are telling on someone, but that we just want what we paid for.  thanks for the compliment.

WENDY...... . another good point and I agree....  if we don't help ourselves, it certainly might not help the other person. Sure, we can't change everyone, but by constructive complaints, it could help some.

CHRISTOPHER & STEPHANIE...... . and you should, depending on what took place. In all honesty, there isn't to much to screw up in regards to mortgages, if you scrfeen the client correctly. And yes, that is one of the biggest problems...  over promising and under delivering..  thanks for the polite comment.

TIM....... . good point.... using google to complain. But as you stated, you better have your facts straight, because it could come back to bite you in the arse. Thanks for bringing up that example.

 

9:38pm • #20
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I have seen many things on this before and it is so true that its scary. A single angry customer is more damaging than dozens of happy customers are good for you.

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Jeff - I will admit that I am often guilty about letting things go and not complaining when it is something that happens to me.  I am much better at sticking up for my clients and my family than I am for myself.

10:10pm • #22
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I think complaining is totally valid, if a person has a valid complaint. Lots of whiners do not.

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JOHN...... . it's not loan officers getting to me in the past, but those that were very sloppy at what they did, but baited and switched clients to get a deal that I should have gotten because I was upfront and ethical. There will always be loan officers out there that will lie and mislead. My point to this post was to have those consumers that were caught in the so-called web, to report these people. As mentioned, giving someone the benefit of the doubt is one thing, but read my example again. A person such as that, needs to be report and not just to their company. Yes, people make mistakes, but many others in this business do it on purpose, just to get a deal. thanks

 

AUDREY...... . well, I am the opposite... as I have gotten older and know more about how my industry and how most people should operate, it does get to me more. There is no excuse for how some people get treated. And because I hear it from so many past consumers that this has happened to. It's sad and pathetic and one way to deal with this and to report these people. Just maybe, it will affect some of them or put them out of business.

Yes, things can happen, that may be out of our control. But a loan officer knows damn well, 98% of the time if a loan is not going to close on time, and not the day before closing or the day of closing. And if they have a funny feeling that things might change, but realize this a week or two ahead of time, they are suppose to let everyone know at that moment, not last minute. That is my biggest gripe.

 

ROLAND...... . thanks, I do believe we should complain. I am not talking about being a complainer or a cry-baby... but professional from a point of view that if someone lied and or misled you, they shouldn't get the nice treatment, because they certainly didn't give it to you.  thanks

EAU..... . so very true... that one person could not only hurt you if not happy, but can spread the word. The only problem with some people that complain is that they think everyone is out to get them. I had a client once report me to the BBB and luckily I had my proof to dispute their complaint. This person made it more of a racial issue.... and just because the 4 previous loan officers lied and misled him, didn't mean that I was doing the same.

PAM...... . I truly try to stand up and complain, if it warrants itself. If people expect customer service from myself, why can't I expect the same from everyone else. But at the same time, I will complain as much as I believe in giving positive feedback to someone or to their supervisor, if they did a great job.   thanks for your honest feedback....

STEVEN...... . ditto, hence why I wrote this and wanted to make it clear that there is a time and place to complain.  But at the same time, not to nit pick either and be a whiner... thanks

 

10:42pm • #24
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There's a fine line between being assertive about what you need, want or feel entitled to and whining; personally, I think sometimes you need to complain to be heard, but a lot of people need to understand when and where its appropriate. Thanks for the excellent post Jeff:)

11:53pm • #25
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Don't get me wrong Jeff, I agree that people should file a complaint when it appears someone has misled them intentionally.  Let the state audit them and confirm if this really 'just happened' or was intentional.  After a few files, they will be able to determine if this is a trend.  I appreciate the google tip.  I'll have to check it out.

11:59pm • #26
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21
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When I first read your title, I thought your post would irritate me. But, instead, I totally agree with you. I actually don't see it as complaining, I see it as stopping others from taking advantage. Plus, if they are trying to take advantage of me, chances are that they are taking advantage of countless others - and need to be stopped. Great advice!

12:56am • #27
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Complaints handled properly - is a valuable feedback mechanism and can often change behavior on the other side... Key is handling it and handling it properly!  Thanks for your input...

5:39am • #28
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Jeff,

Even before I moved to FL ...I knew customer service sucked. They just can't seem to hire people who can grasp what the word really means...people would rather get a deal instead of trading it for better service...I've even seen this in your business....take the cheap teaser rate for a few months but get lousy service. I would rather pay a drop more for better service but it's a shame it has to be that way. It goes for most every industry here. If you call and say your cable service is down and can they tell you what the problem is...they say...it's down and the computer says that's it.

6:38am • #29
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There is an art to "complaining."  Do it the right way and things will usually work out.  I loathe ballistic complainers. 

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There is always a solution to the problem and being proactive will help solve.

The closing doesn't end with the check.  I was on the phone till 8 PM last night with a buyer and a different seller in regards to problems arising from their real estate transaction.

I think part of solving problems is knowledge.  It is the absolute KEY to opening the door and finding the solution.  If you don't know, ask.

There are many delicate parts and entities of the transaction and when you understand them thoroughly and educate your clients, it will help them (and you) see a problem before it is a problem and anticipate a solution.  Working <together> with responsive real estate professionals throughout the transaction helps also!!

7:46am • #31

I won't complain unless I feel it's out of control and the owners or uper management is unaware.  Then I'll let the higher ups know what's wrong.

Other situations I silently watch them go out of business.

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JB...you forget the most important "opposite."  If you've had stellar service, you need to talk, blab and tell the entire world.  The reason I say this is that some people are quick to complain.  But they, in truth, are just miserable people.  Huge difference b/t miserable people and miserable service.  I'd love to delete certain people.  On the other hand gracious people need to complain when the time presents itself.  But they also are the first to tell you how great you are.

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DJ..... . I totally agree.... nothing worse than a whiner. I have worked with a few in the past and they can really bring you down mentally. But yes, we need assertive people to actually make a complaint when it's needed.... especially within the mortgage industry.  Thanks for your feedback and for the polite compliment.

JOHN C. ...... .  from some of your blogs and e-mails, I know that people should file a complaint. And I was basically singling out loan officers, since that is what we do and it's what I am knowledgeable about. We need the average consumer in our industry to step up when there has been a major wrong and report it. As you said, if that same person gets more than a few and they start to audit this person, they could revoke their license. I know a handful of people personally that should have never been in this business and get away with this kind of crap.  thanks

BRANDON...... .  hhhhhmmmmm, well, I am glad that the title got you to read this. And I agree, great choice of words. Not complaining, but letting people taking advantage of you. I am not sure if I put those exact words in this post, so I am going to add that. Thanks for your input.

MARCIA...... . I totally agree... if we handle the complaints in a polite manner... and, even complain in a polite manner, instead of being hostile, both sides/ both parties should work with each other respectively.

NEAL...... . many people just view it as a job. I bet it would be a lot different if it was their own company. And I have heard you talk about this several times before. And yes, it's sad that you usually pay a little more for the service, but I would expect that is part of the game per se. I could not make a living if I had to be at the beckon call of every client, giving them all the best deals, which means I make nothing for being a nice guy. On the flip side, I won't take advantage of people either. What I tell them in rate and in fees will not change, unless an unforeseen thing takes place. But they will know when that happens. Example.. I had to extend a clients rate lock because the two lawyers were going back and forth and it was going to cost another 1/4 pt... but I told them this at the time, so they were prepared when they went to settlement.

DIANE.... . again, I agree...  and that needs to be mentioned several times, over and over. Some people just love to scream from the get go.

RENEE..... . in regards to your whole statement, I agree 110%. If you explain everything up front, educate the consumer on the whole process, and alert them to any problems during the course of the process, that alone will usually weed out any problems. Hence it will negate anyone wanting to complain. Communicating and if any problems pop up, yet you find a solution, you should have no problems. Thanks for your input.

RANDALL...... .  that's part of the issue.... define out of control. I think many consumers, even if it should be reported, don't, because they feel it wasn't THAT bad...  but how bad is bad?  Education is key and if someone changes your rate and or adds more fees at the end to your closing and you don't know until the day before or until you get to closing, they should be reported 110%.  thanks for your feedback

 

8:39am • #34
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Good advice, Jeff. Remain calm get it closed and then file a complaint.

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Jeff - My biggest complaint and this goes with anyone profession is someone who won't get back to you.  That's a cardinal sin and my book and I will constructively complain to the higher ups when that happens, especially on a chronic basis.  You've laid some of the proper ways to complain, if done right it keeps folks on their toes... rightfully so.

8:47am • #36

If you think we americans don't complain as often as we should: then you haven't been at my dinner table when we're having "chicken AGAIN."  Now, the kids have learned that I'm just a middleman so they complain directly to their mother.  This never goes over very well, everyone ends up upset and half the family goes to bed hungry.

Perhaps the kids will learn to be more effective in their complaints in the future.  I'm sure if they wrote a nice note about how they appreciate "chicken again," but list a few helpful suggestions for some other meals during the week, they will get a much better response.

Your post hits on a key problem with complaining: you have to know something about the other persons motivations and you need to know how to effectively present your complaint.  If that fails, then start screaming;-)

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LARRY..... . yes and no.  .... yes, we should let others know when they do a good job... but even though it's not mentioned to me often, I know when I did a good job or not.  I truly want people to stand up and make the complaints when neccessary. Think of all of those loan officers that baited and switched on their client, and not just a dollar here or a dollar there.  They should be reported not only to their company, but to the state and other agencies.

MISSY..... . thank you.... yes, get the job done and then complain. Complaining in the middle can and had made problems worse. And then both sides don't want to work with each other. Hey, we are human also..

JASON...... . that is a huge problem and an great point. It's not so much the loan officer that you call in the beginning that doesn't get back to you... but the one that calls you, the consumer, constantly to get your deal, and then stops returning calls once they have you. Extremely poor service and a great point.

MATT...... . awesome story and kind of funny... it brings back memories when I was growing up... I never really complained, but I would sulk... lol  Thanks for sharing that and for your input.

 

9:44am • #38
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Thanks, Jeff. I'm glad I read this all the way through! At first, I thought your blog was going to be about whether complaining about our lot in life actually does any good. I would have responded with a resounding no. That being said, I agree with what you're saying. We all have a right to speak up if we feel that our customer experience has been less than stellar. Thanks for the helpful tips. Make it a great day!

 

Paul

9:50am • #39

I never made a mortgage complain but have made number of complaints to BBB.  I get quick response for them, and through the BBB, I have received responses from the companies I have made my inquires to, and resolved the case pretty efficiently.

11:59am • #40
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This was a really good post. I often find that I don't complain when I probably should. Sometimes it's just too much bother and what do I have to gain? But I like how you laid this out. Also, I think the converse is even more important - when you have a great experience, that shouldn't be ignored either.

12:07pm • #41
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Hey that is a new business we can get into Professional Complainers Whinners. I agree to trying to resolve problems but let's face it people do things out of greed or self satisfaction and then when it isn't perfect or doen't turn out the way they want it to they want to complain how someone took advantage of hem. Look at the responses you are getting, one said they have complained many times could everyone this person dealt with all been wrong. One says make sure it closes first, who are they protecting. I tell anyone that I represent that the time to complain is before closing or signing away your life. Also if you don't agree as in your example why would you close or someon eadvise you to close. If that happened you're right they should file a complaint and the person should be reprimended.

12:59pm • #42

Having multiple mediums to express your disposition (like letters, phone calls, e-mails, face-to-face meetings ect...) is very good advice. Thank you.

2:44pm • #43
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Jeff,

As a mortgage pro, or a real estate agent, it'll make your life a lot easier if you openly explain to customers what can be done and what can't be done. This way they know what to expect and have a mindset for what the process is like, including potential glitches. 

4:52pm • #44

It happens all the time and if people want the house bad enought they will definetly come up with that extra money.

5:34pm • #45
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PAUL...... .  ditto.... if our experience was less than stellar, we do need to voice our complaint and concern. It happens more than ever before.  Because we aren't held accountable for our actions, people keep doing it and get away with it.

ELLE...... . if filing a mortgage complaint, it should be sent to the lender with the loan officers name on it, to the BBB, and to the mortgage brokers association... and to the banking division for the specific state.

ANDREW..... .  that's exactly why I wrote this... it's to much of a bother for so many off us. And not to pin this on you, because so many of us are at fault for this.... but if you have a loan officer that bait and switches 10 clients a year and gets away with it, that hurts us all down the road. And 8 out of those 10 complain, that loan officer is probably out of the business for good. and thanks for the compliment.

 

CHARLES.... . sure, it can go both ways, I agree. But does that mean you as a consumer shouldn't complain when someone actually lies to you and changes your rate and fees at the end? As I explained, if things change, you should be told when it happens, not at the closing. I have been doing this for 16 years. 99% of the time, you know way ahead of time if things are going to change. Many of this happens because the loan officer offered something that they shouldn't have... or, they weren't going to make much money and should have charged more. Most of these loan officers know what they are doing.

Sure, there will be some cronic complainers that complain when something doesn't go their way. And that has happened to me twice. But you know what, nothing is on my record, because I was able to prove in both cases that I did explain to them and did give them what I had promised. Even if they didn't understand, they had initialed and signed the appropriate documents.  Anyhoo.... I had my 't's crossed and 'i's dotted.

 

MIAMI A-list ...... . my pleasure and thanks for stopping by.

ESKO.... . yes, but that is the reason why so many loan officers bait and switch... lie and mislead... because they can't be upfront. ..  they don't want to lose the borrower to an ethical loan officer. Yes, it's part of sales, but again, it's not right.

ADRIAN..... . yes, but does that mean what you do to the client is right? That is part of the problem with this. The basic loan officer that does bait and switch knows that 85% of the borrowers will go through with the transaction. Yes, that borrower should not go through with it... but then again, the loan officer should still be reported no matter which way the consumer proceeds.  Wouldn't you agree?

 

7:29pm • #46
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Jeff, I do my very best to remain calm, then after closing, let 'er rip!  However, if I had a buyer show up at closing and the lender changed the rules at the closing table, that would be hard to swallow.  Especially if they had pushed closing back, time and time again.  If the lender asked for a 2nd extension, I would then move for a plan B.  I  truly remain calm under most instances, but trying to screw my client at the closing table is not one of them:(  I'd be on the phone with a higher up, if possible, before I advise my buyer to sign anything.  How's that Alabama license coming??? :) :)

9:10pm • #47
OCT
22
2008
255,969 Points 44 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Is complaining a bad thing?  NOT if it's done politely.  It can be cathartic and helpful. Awesome post Jeff.

6:06am • #48
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Jeff,

Maybe things will be different with all the changes and hopefully now people will understand that those teasers aren't always the best option...I'm surprised they even allowed them but now look at the results.

7:03am • #49
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ELIZABETH...... .  if a loan officer had 30 days to close a loan and had to push it back twice, that is not a good sign at all. If it wasn't title related for the most part or some kind of lien or judgment on the credit report, even after the first closing missed, I would have the buyers speak to another lender no matter what. But yes, they should not sign anything at closing if the rate and or fees were changed. In regards to the license thing, I will let you know soon. Thanks for asking...

KRIS...... . no, complaining should not be a bad thing, that's if you are't a cronic complainer. And sure, it could even be helpful for yourself... thanks for the polite compliment and for your feedback.

NEAL..... . I don't think some people will ever understand.  It's semi hard to describe those teaser rates. You had the Pay Option Arm loans that were teasers and some could argue that the 2/28's were teasers. I think the 2/28's had a specific purpose. It was more to help with getting credit established. But who knew that values would drop so much. Besides, many people would have had much higher payments from the get go with a 30 yr fixed rate subprime... and still would be stuck with them, because of values. So, can you really blame it on the 2/28?  It came down to the loan officer and how they sold it. And I still stand by this... that at least 30% of all subprime loans could have gone FHA...

 

7:51am • #50
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I know  ....I had this client years ago wanted to take ...I think it was like a 1.5% rate for the first year and then jumped like to 11% with a cap at 13%...I told them that just because it was a great opening rate that they might get burned later...their relative talked them into it and this was a relative they gave me as a client who after I drove them around for 2 weeks they ended up buying a FSBO...lucky them. I guess I'm just a stupid Realtor(R):))

10:17am • #51
OCT
24
2008
143,930 Points 7 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Jeff,

Thanks for the post. I take the position that I am providing constructive criticism. helping the business to improve upon their product or service. I am not complaining.

7:27am • #52

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