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YOUR Online Presence & The Aftermath

If there is one thing that I truly believe causes conflict with friendship and professional relationships is the behavior that comes with discussing and ranting about religious and political views. Okay, it's more than that. It's the trying to incite an online 'riot' of sorts.

Yup, we all have our opinions and when it starts getting mean, nasty and downright negative it's disrespectful to this platform as well as the intent of this network. A REAL Estate Network. Then to top it all off with the ulterior motive of trying to force ones opinion down another persons throat it is then that it becomes unprofessional and downright judgmental and prejudiced.

And that's just MY opinion.

I CHOOSE to detach from unhealthy (bashing and such) discussions on these particular subjects. We ALL have different opinions and transparency in my blog does NOT mean that I need to divulge my personal preferences for you...let alone even my close friends face to face.

It does NOT mean I let anyone run all over me either.

I will tell you all this. I have my own beliefs and my own views and I will not push them on you and I expect the same from you. Please DO NOT write in my comment section with your religious or politic views when it has nothing to do with what I'm writing about.

That IS just plain rude.

It is with a heavy heart of reading all the ranting, bashing, unprofesional and negative behavior that I write this:

Try and be mindful and respectful of the next person's opinion. If they don't believe in the same religious faith, your favorite color, why you believe your ideas are better than others or even your choice for president, mayor or whomever it does NOT give you the right to disrespect them. If you choose to believe in all the junk that you get in your emails or online about any subject that coincides with the Star Magazine or Enquirer (lol) then by all means...that's your choice.

It's not mine.

Remember, in two days there will be a winner and in life there will always be someone who doesn't agree with you about something....... but ActiveRain and all its members will still be here and the legacy you have left behind will still be here as well.

We ALL will remember.

They ALL will remember.

Posted by Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman HAWAII Relocations & Real Estate on 11/03/2008 03:07 AM

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136 Comments on YOUR Online Presence & The Aftermath

NOV

2008

Nicely put and well said.

I honestly believe people should not shove their personal views down other people throat. I respect others until they decide they have more importance then me, then I loose respect for them.

AMen, Sally. I rarely get into political and/or religious discussions. It is not productive to my primary task at hand: building my business and networking with other agents.

Timothy: Throughout all the time I have been on ActiveRain I have found out who I would NOT do business with. It is in the best interests of my clients to not refer to anyone who is so close minded as this. Thanks for coming by Tim...it's a respect thing.

Celeste,

Thanks for the post. I am all about keeping politics and religion out of business, PERIOD! I am trying to grow my business, not alienate people.

Karen: Those are supposed to be our main concerns here along with educating the public on our industry and the connection we make with each other to become seemingly friends along the way. This nonsense is just that. The..."I wanna be heard" thing. Wonder if they listen to their clients? What if they have different views....geez.

William: Well, that's what a lot of 'them' have done. They have alienated and also left a sour taste in ours...as well as the consumers mouth. All for the sake of "Look at me and what I'm saying". Let me bash, cut down and thrash another human being.... What is the purpose?

Sally- We are all entitled to our opinions and therefore what gives one person the right to express theirs and at the same time deny another theirs? That is really what is going on when someone attacks another for their beliefs, religious and political.

I am very passionate about issues that are near and dear to me and I think that it is healthy to share and discuss them because it is only through that conversation that real change takes place. If we all shut up about about our religion or our political views there would be no debate and thus no thought towards action to facilitate change.

But it becomes useless when people get nasty, defensive and abusive. You can not Force someone to agree with you. The only thing it does is make the one who is nasty and abusive- look like they are irrational and lose respect. The person who responds in calmness and strength of conviction without losing their temper and stoop so low as to be hurtful will be the one that is respected.

Katerina: One thing to share and discuss....it's the bashing and all the smut flying around that really leaves a bad taste. Go ahead and air your beliefs if you like. I am NOT saying that here. I am talking about shoving beliefs and cutting down others who don't SHARE the same thoughts, opinions or perceptions.

It DOES become useless and unnecessary and it is downright rude to do so with the intent of filth in words to think they can persuade others to think like them.

Sally,

While you probably know that I write some political blogs on here...they are for information...and they are member's only and they are for conversation. I am in no way prejudice. Whoever wins, wins. However, the healthy conversation that ensues through other peoples opinions via AR is what I am personally looking for. It's about being able to converse with peer's on AR. I do not post political blogs out to John Q Public, however, I have met many people here of whom I respect their insights and their opinions, even if they have a different point of view. Often times, one does not know what other's feel and why they may interpret a thought in a different perspective.

I don't care who my customer's vote for, that is their perogative and their choice. I do not discuss religion or politics while I'm working. It certainly seems to me that a member's only blog to have a healthy discussion about the most important choices that are soon upon us shouldn't be of concern.

After all, if you don't want to talk religion or politics, there certainly are other blogs to read.

Many of us are concerned about who will make the right/best/astute decisions which in turn will help the real estate market become important. Many of us feel comforted by similar feelings. A few of us weather'd (older) readers here on AR, have been through recessions and understand the ramifications of another.

Those of us who write about politics and the current situation do so because we have developed friendships here and respect our friends opinions. Not to alienate anyone. Live through one recession...then tell me what you think.

Will all due respect.

Karen M.

I agree with you completely. I learned my lessons when my wife and I owned and ran a B&B on Cape Cod (sold real estate as well). But there are certain topics you don't discuss, religion and politics or anything that would cause a problem. Healty debate is good, but some people don't understand the difference between healthy, and down right go for the jugular!

I for one am sick to death of all the political posts and drama here and the religous as well. Maybe I believe in flying pink elephants, but, unless there are a multitude of others that do too, making a simple statement to that effect will suffice. I happen to straddle variety of positions in the political arena and I feel like neither defending nor explaining why!

Sally- Thank you for this Post. There are parts of Active Rain that have gotten so bad that you can feel the venom dripping off the comment sections.

I disagree with Katerina- I am helping people with their Real Estate Needs, not tryijng to change their mentality about religious, political, or social issues. The only mentality I work on with my clients or customers is the mentality of saving, borrowing, and spending as it relates to their Real Estate Needs. Period !

Anyway, the last part of your Post says it all.....do the people that have made sure we knew where they stood really believe that we will recommend people to them in the future? Do they think that we will even continue to read them? The election will indeed put an end to some things, but our memories don't end in 2 days. And I know that I don't like this type of stuff.

I'm with you Sally....it's one thing to discuss issues; it's another to be forceful and rude with opinions. We'll let the candidates fight and throw mud while we sell some homes.

Sally, I have seen some people express strong opinions--which is their right. I don't understand the bashing I have seen, either. If they're not in agreement or just want to stay out of it, it's so easy to move on. It's not as if we have a lack of other posts to read. You're absolutely right in my opinion, I would not respond (as a potential client) if I saw some of the horribly abrasive comments.

Woo Hoo, Another well said post. People ( at least everyone) will never agree but you are right, if one can't respect other opinions in life, then why should one expect their own to be respected.

Well said!

Karen:

For one...I am 51 years old and have lived through other recessions. Okay, not the Great depression and if I had I certainly would have been retired already.

Facts are one thing...giving out bad info is another. If you think Members Only means your posts are hidden from the consumer...you're wrong. You are sooo mistaken. My clients signed up here so they could read many others. Tell me....just how healthy do you think bashing and ranting posts are?

I blog on here to connect with my peers ... THIS IS WORK. And your 'customers' may just be members here too so don't tell me that they are not able to see.

These are my opinions and you surely have yours.

P.S. And yesterday I looked through yours and you DID NOT have a couple of them marked members only anyway. Your bad.

Aloha Sally,

Once again, I'm really glad I'm out of the loop on this one too. Haven't spent too much time here lately, too many others things to keep up with. Personally, I see no reason for anyone to be disrespectful on any subject.

Robert: Exactly! Alienating peers is not good for business and some just don't get it. ANYONE CAN SIGN UP AND JOIN. Online is forever. Members Only and people think they're protected to say whatever they want.

Karen- I don't know how you can say that...I have read many Posts, and if your friends comfort each other , well they certainly alienated others. You talk about them being Members Only Posts, but we too buy Real Estate, and recommend others/refer others.

There are a few Groups here that do not take lightly to disagreement of their views and the responses they give have made people unsubscribe or stop reading. Some of the narrow minded, or "Passionate" Posts are the type of stuff that many of us want to end.

Best Spot: Hey, I believe in fairies so let's make a group of that one with pink flying elephants LOL! I'm with you...I have my own and it's MINE>>>>>>ALL MINE>>>>

Sally- Stinks....is that from the venom or the Pink Elephant Stuff LOL :) Seriously......I'll join a Group of Fairies and Pink Elephants....wonder what my clients will think of me then :) But I think they'd respect me more than if I ranted about Politics :)

Kathy; No kidding....and it stinks too. The venom and spit I mean. Literally stink. I remember...I will remember. One thing to remember ones opinions...another to remember the venom.

Kaleb: I'm with you!!! I'm selling real estate....and it's not for giving out words with a dirty mouth.

Carole: No kidding...it's downright rude...especially when they comment on my post about politics when it has nothing to do with politics!

William: It's called ....just be mindful and respectful and when giving an opinon ...allow for others to speak as well. Makes me think that those very people don't let their clients talk at all :)

Lynda: Me too....even with my belief in fairies and now flying pink elephants too.

Sally well said. We all choose the theme of our blogs and like you I choose to avoid any political or relligious topics or comments. However sometimes I found it appropriate in some of my response comments to other members facing difficult times.

Every situation is different, and I agree with you on this. I try to write a professional blog focused on real estate and my market, that is why people subscribe and talk to me when they encounter me in public. So that works for me and many others, Im sure the other topics work for other agents as well.

Kathy: Do it! Do it!

Mike: Me too...and if I were to act like that ...then I wouldn't have received the clients I have received and made the friends I have made.

Celeste, I happened on a few political posts & comments tonight that made my stomach turn. Not because the authors took a different point of view than I do, but because of the vitriol that was spewed out on those who dont agree wth them. I admire bloggers like Katerina who are informed and present vetted factual information & respond respectfully to opposing views. Others have been are totally disrespectul to the candidates and to fellow AR members. Portraying an accomplished wotking woman and mother of five as a witch on a broom, I mean how immature & childish & meanspirited. Disagree with policy till the cows come home, but stop the mudslinging and the demeaning attempts at humor. I read a post by a very angry blogger that suggests those who judge & oppose views such as theirs will be judged harsly by GOD. The irony is that this blogger is doing just what they curse thier opposition for doing.

I have always thought if you won't stand for something you can fall for anything, but in my view, this forum does not lend itself to abrasive poitical discussion. Shades of West Side Story here, and nobody comes out a winner because there is just too much anger, bitterness and self righteousness on both sides of the AR aisle. Can't wait till it's over.

Ginger

Ginger: All I can say is wooooohoooooo! You are right on the money.

Sally-Ya know sometimes we just have to stand up and say enough is enough......so for all of us that have had enough....here is a brand new Group....made just for this Post, and it's message LOL :) Click on the link and join our new fun Group :)

A Featured Spot for whoever Posts First ....LOL :)

Fairies and Pink Elephants

NOV

2008

Oh my Sally...you've said so eloquently what I have thought and tried to say many times. A month or so ago I posted about manners and not having those ranting posts go to Localism. (Several states had the main page being filled with nothing but political rants. Absolutely disgusting.)

Most that commented agreed with me, but a couple people actually tried to spew their hate filled garbage by emailing me their own agenda and views. They quickly met my delete key.

I for one will remember all of those who have not had decent discussions and haven't treated each other with respect. Sadly there are several members here who I would never refer business to because of the hate filled way that they treated others with dissenting opinions. Responding rudely to one of your own posts? Another proverbial "crossed the line" action.

I have been telling people for quite a while now that members only doesn't mean the public can't see it. Heck, by the time most people went back through their posts and marked them members only (yes, most started out as a free for all for non-members to see) it is far too late. Google saw and saved the posts (and the comments). I've had 2 consumers tell me that they logged on to AR to read what goes on behind the scenes. Consumers are curious. People are curious. They read, they remember, and they draw conclusions.

One thing I'm curious to see: Many authors have spent the last 3-6 months posting almost non stop about politics. What are they going to talk about after the election?????

How many subscribers have they lost? How much of a referral base have they lost? How many buyers and sellers have they turned off????

Sally, it will all be over with soon. Hopefully the hate and viciousness will stop, but I have a feeling they'll just move on to different targets. Hard to change ones personality...

Part II: I was going to flag this for a feature and realized you already achieved the pretty gold star. Sally, I have to tell you, I don't want this to roll off the screen quickly. It's too darned important.

Sally,

The political contest that sits before us will be over within a few days but i fear the storm of blame will come soon thereafter as most on this network fall in a certain voting block.

Suggestion to AR,

On forums (phpbb, vbulletin), topics are sequestered in their own categories where readers know the risks of entering. Perhaps AR should divide some sections of AR up specifically for those who like to talk about off-topic material all day. Much like in World of Warcraft, when you enter upon a different server you meet different accounts. This therefore would be the case when one enters the political arena here on AR; a completely different array of members. Then there would no longer be an excuse if one enters that different world as they would do so at their own risk knowing full well that politics or religion rule the landscape. Just a thought but one that i know would work.

Nicely stated. I agree as well. I must be missing something because I never see these posts that are venom and nasty I guess I don't read enough of the posts on here.

Sally: I think a major part of the problem is that some people take what are their own "beliefs"... but are not satisfied in having them be simply "beliefs." They then brand their own beliefs as "eternal truths"... and want to require that those eternal truths are then enforced... on everyone.

The word "belief" means what it says. It is a choice that one makes to adhere or to make as one's own... a certain idea. It is only when that next fatal step is taken... when one takes their belief and brands it as truth, and then demands that all others fall in line with it... that the venom appears. Then, of course, you get "hell" if you don't agree. Oh, how fun. Thanks for sharing... take care... :)

Morning Sally,

Very well stated! I for one will not go there. When I see these types of post I just pass on by. I don't discuss religion or politics because they inevitable cause conflict and I don't want that element to be part of my life nod do I want to inflict it upon others.

I completely agree with you Sally. I prefer to keep my political views to myself in this forum. I wish more would do so. I find offensive posts to be very unprofessional.

Sally,
Can you hear me applauding? I give you a standing ovation!

I have refrained from writing any posts on my political or religious views. I dont write about opinions. I may be dull because of that but I keep my views to myself. Well said!

Good Post

Keep Religion and Politics out of business.

Rich

Charlotte NC

Good reminder Sally. Also, depending on what's written, the writer will offend about 50% of the population.

Not worth it.

Sally I am so glad you wrote this. I have seen some shocking stuff, yes it is a sure fire way to kill your business.

WooHoo, For me AR is a real estate site. That's what I write about.

I too have seen some of the political and religious "discussions" that take place on here and in some cases they are waaaaaay over the line. I have NO problem with heated debates but I have major problems with name calling. BUT in a community this size you will always have folks that act less than respectful. Fortunately it is a very small minority. And mostly it's just the same people going back and forth with each other.

Just click on by.

Celeste,

I surely do agree with your post. I've said in the past that I really do not enjoy seeing the word "rant" in posts. Just seems unprofessional and perhaps childish to me.

Sally very well put..and I have to agree and really I want to take November 5th off kick my feet up with a bowl of popcorn..because I really believe...it will be quite entertaining...sometimes...less is more and when it comes to politics and religion...I tend to agree!

Sally Jo, I've missed the vitriol (darn).

People buying and selling houses don't care about our views; if they DO care, there's a 50% chance that the view presented w/regard to politics or religion will oppose their own. Why gamble with bad odds? Better to focus on tangibles that are appropriate to real estate.

I, for one, find the Enquirer (in matters of investigations into politicians and murderers) to be quite ahead of the pack, but I wouldn't quote them- why would I want others to know that I read that particular magazine when I can? Oooops. Just did.

I totally agree with you. I stay away from politics and religion with my clients and everyone here on AR. It's just none of thier business how I think. I'm not into trying to convert anyone either. Who has time for all of that?

I totally agree with you ( of course who wouldn't agree with a goddess). I say hear hear to Katrina and Nestor ( you know their pretty smart). But all that aside. While I am very opinionated I try to not get into my opinions here. But I do like to read evryone's view to see how someone else views a different point or person. I have learned quite a bit. You know if you don't stand for something then you'll fall for anything, that should be in a speech or something. Like anything else in life you can agree to disagree. I really hate to see the Rain Wednesday, it will probably be nasty either way. I think I might go back in the barn that day. Oh by the way Sally thanks for this blog and all your impu tI really like reading your stuff.

Way too much drama...I learned that for me it's better just to stay away from anything that has to do with religion...people take it just too seriously and it's not worth writing about my views because someone will probably get pissed off...I'd rather not get into it...not my bag...same goes for my views on politics...rather just stay away from it....when I started to write on AR I did rant a bit on certain subjects that I feel strongly about and all it did was get rude remarks...The main thing is I've never mentioned anyone or company by name and even then I've been lambasted just because of my opinions....it isn't worth it as long as there are people that will debate it the wrong way. And you know what I'm talking about since you read my blogs... you've probably were on the sidelines in some of them.

Sally Real Estate and politics do not mix well at all. I just can't understand how people can blog about it. All it does is potentially cut your throat with about half of your potential clientele. Throwing around your comments on anothers blog that is not on topic is just as bad.

Sally, this a very timely post. I applaud you for writing it. Yes there are so many posts that are very opinionated with vulgar comments - it is blatantly upsetting. I once commented on a post to say the exact thing I just said in the last few sentences I wrote and it got a response comment that tried to pull me in to the negativity and vulgar. I wasn't going to join. I didn't join. I won't be part of it - even though I too have an opinion.

Kudos Sally!

Sally, I've unsubscribed to some people over the last couple of weeks, and I was shocked to 'see' what they thought of MY OPINION; and how they treated me because of it.
Furthermore, I am Canadian and supposedly should have no opinion on American politics (and our healthcare system sucks, as if that had anything to do with my post; and we live in igloos too, what do we know?).

I am all for healthy discussions. I like a good CONVERSATION... but when you get bashed in the comments section; or even by email, so no one else can see who is doing the bashing, it is no longer a conversation and it is no longer an opinion. I have to tell you, I was and am shocked at the way I was treated, and at the treatment of others, who are getting the same kind of responses I got. It's unbelievable. It's shocking, and it should not be allowed on this network.

And as far as Members only posts, well, I can tell you that I receive emails all the time, from people who are reading membes only posts, and they are consumers. We have to remember that members also copy and paste certain things and email them out to their buddies, who in turn forward them. Before you know it, your Members Only post is all over the internet.

Sally--I totally agree...There are always two sides to an issue and in a forum like this "agree to disagree" should be a mantra. I have actually unsubscribed from a few of my favorite bloggers in the past few weeks because the posts were so negative. We will all have to go on from here and sell real estate...so some issues are best avoided in this forum.

Never sold a house because of my religion or politics...guess it has no place here either!

"I CHOOSE to detach from unhealthy (bashing and such) discussions on these particular subjects." Sally, I could not have said it any better. Great post and thanks for urging people to use a little common sense!

Woo-Hoo: This is a "right on the money" post and a well deserved feature. We ALL have opinions, of course, and it has always been a fact that religious and political views can cause the nastiest of arguments (wars). We ALL need to be mindful that we're ALL different and think differently and thank goodness for that.

My entire family and I are on opposite sides when it comes to politics, but I respect their views, as I respect others. CAN we have passionate discussions? Of course. But we MUST keep it "healthy."

Remember Aretha Franklin's song, R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

P.S. I, for one, will be glad when Wed. morning comes and I don't have to hear anymore political commercials. WOO-HOO!!

Religious and political beliefs should not be brought into business....its not going to win clients or influence people.

Sally - I think you already know how I feel about this, based on the post of mine that you commented on from a couple of days ago. I am also tired of the negative, aggressive stuff that I have seen.

Interesting post. Irecently put in a post that basically said that we should not talk politics, but if you want to know where the candidates stand on the issues of Real Estate and Mortgage, here are thelinks. I thought that would neutral and acceptable. I thought it may even be helpful for someone trying to find information. While most people were appreciative, there were quite a few that thought the mere mention of the word politics was off limits. Pressing agendas, harassing comments, negativity, false statements, belittling comments - none of these have a place on ActiveRain.

Political and religious discourse should not be espoused in the business arena. I dare say that your views most likley won't agree with the views of others (such as customers), and it could cost you business. All you have to do is look at Hugo Chavez and Citgo to get a sense of how people (potential and existing customers) react. It's safer to discuss the weather.

Hi Sally, I am glad you posted this. I have been reading some pretty heated blogs and some urging others to voice their opinion. I for one hate conflict and do whatever I can to avoid it. I also would hate to lose clients over a difference of opinion as well.

On a side note, I am so happy to see so many people "into it" this year. This is certainly an election year like no other. I wrote more of a patriotic than a political blog because I was feeling so happy to live in a country that gives us the Freedom of Speech!

Others can rant and sway and post their veiws. I may or may not read but it is nice that we can choose.

Steve - it sounds to me like the post you mentioned would be appropriate on a real estate site such as this.

I consider myself conservative with a liberal bent, lol. It pains me to see how nasty some people on either side of the issue can be - and as some have said, it is good in that we can see people's true colors.

I know there are many "conservative" people who would NEVER get a referral from me - how do I know how they would treat my customers? Meanwhile, there is a fellow I chat with from Ohio who is about as different from me politically as oreo cookies are different from rye bread - yet I would refer my customers to him in a heartbeat, because he is ALWAYS respectful when discussing political stuff (from what I have seen anyway.)

Sis - I don't know, some of those posts go quite well with popcorn;)

I've been known to participate time and again but try to make sure it is civil and not to go overboard. There's a lot of passion (not all positive) sweeping through this forum in regards to the election. I wrote a post that had nothing to do with Politics or Religion and everything to do with Mortgages and still someone came in and threw around their ideological weight. I politely nipped it in the bud. There is a time and a place for such things...

Sally - I could not agree with you more ! What is weird is that I have not seen any of these rants and so forth on AR. I just do not pay attention to it or "subscribe" to it. If I did see it, I would just pass. This forum is definitely not the place for those opinions - there are PLENTY of other websites and the like where one can get more involved in politics and their beliefs and so forth.

Congrats on the feature - is well deserved : ) Also, just subscribed to your blog as well ! Hope you have a great week !!! ~ Chris and Stephanie

Sally,

I agree with you--wholeheartedly! I have three things we never discuss with clients, or anyone for that matter 1. Politics 2. Religion 3. Sex/marriage (anything done behind CLOSED DOORS should stay that way). Doesn't matter to me what my clients do, what they believe or how they vote...however I have been "included" in gratitude prayer circle (it was an impromptu gathering after the inspection at my buyers new house) my buyers were NOT the same faith as my faith, but I did NOT protest, I wanted to remain "open minded" and simply considered it an honor that these buyers were grateful for ME and wanted to thank me publicly in their prayer circle. Important distinction, they were NOT recruiting me or forcing it down my throat, like many others have tried to do; they were simply thanking me in the way they thank those that they are truly grateful for.

It would be AMAZING if more people would remember that some things SHOULD be kept private...when in doubt, don't talk about it! Remember every time you mention YOUR religion, political affiliation or something sexist or about sex...you may have offended someone or given another person a reason to NOT do business with you.

Enjoy your week! Make it a great one! --Kathryn

Sally - Way to go on this post. I sincerely agree with you as this is not the place for said confrontational post that have appeared especially lately with this election. It's amazing that people that are in business would be so bold to post these questionable "rants" for a better word. We have a few around us that I find very disrespectful to everybody yet they continue with their tirades on their own beliefs and religious convictions. Don't get me wrong, I believe in free speach and all that goes with it but abusiveness is never right. Thanks for bring this to light. Bob H.

Well said Sally. Election or not, I try really hard not to get into politics or religion on ActiveRain, or at the office.

Celeste,

So well put.

This morning I read a blog that had NOTHING to do with real estate. At all.

I don't believe ActiveRain is the place to make a political or religious statement, and all such posts out to be deleted by the powers that be.

Judy

This is an excellent post Sally. I also enjoyed reading your comments. This blogging is a great place to show our personalities, our real estate opinions, our successes and opportunities in real estate, and some personal things as well. But I also prefer to not talk about religion and politics. Good policy

Thanks

Don

You spelled it out quite well. I think that many of us have felt this way and just haven't been able to put it to words without stirring up more trouble. I agree that politics and religious statements have no place on a post that was not about either subject. Keep it business and keep it to the original point of reference..

Sally,

Thanks for the post. AR is a great resource, but the tough thing about any blog or message board is that it makes it easy to seem one dimensional, and to demonize those that don't agree with you - it's a lot harder to call people names to their faces:).

It's also easy to make assumptions - an earlier response to your post seemed to make an ASSUMPTION about how many economic downturns you had lived through, and to ASSUME that Members-Only posts would never be seen by the general public. Your response was great, by the way, putting the facts out there in a respectful manner. And I won't even go into that old saying about ASSUMPTIONS:)

I have to admit, I've been disheartened by some of the comments left by so-called experienced and professional agents on AR. I'm a relative "newbie" - early 30's, less than 10 years in the business. I have friends that fall all across the religious and political spectrum. I still love them, and even when we disagree, we would NEVER talk to each other the way some people talk to each other on AR. Destroying someone to make a short term point is no way to foster the cooperation needed for long term gain. So THANK YOU, THANK YOU again for your post and for bringing out all these great comments.

Tamara

Sally - A very well written post. Thank you. I don't mind people sharing their opinions but when the attacks start that is a different story. I am still blown away by a comment on another post that SHOULD HAVE insulted 80% (or more) of Active Rainers with children. I am like you, I don't push my beliefs on to others and I expect the same respect in return. Share with me if you like, but don't cross the line. Again, thanks for a great and timely post.

Hi Sally, I couldn't agree more. I blogged about this in a members only post in September. I have strong political opinions, but you won't find any evidence of them on my blog or in my comments. This is a professional blogsite for those interested in improving their real estated-related businesses and making friends. Neither seems to be enhanced by alienating large portions of the world.

I have no interest in censoring anyone, but many of the rants (usually against someone or an issue rather than just promoting their position) are not marked members only, and some are so ugly that they can't possibly win anyone over, and can only alienate potential clients. Seems counterproductive to the reason we blog. But that's just my opinion.

Thank goodness it is almost over for a few years!

Sally - I exercise self-control and simply click on by. Oh, and if I'm a subscriber I click delete, and I imagine I'm not alone in that remedy.

Wow! I love the responses! There have been so many posts (and many of you may miss them if you don't read a lot or watch the dashboard for new posts) that do NOT do justice for our forum and it is up to us to keep it in order. You would think with professionals on board here that they would behave accordingly. Healthy discussion is one thing.....bashing and calling names and literally taking what they 'see' in their emails and online are wayyyyy two different things.

It's a Monday and I'll try and get back to all of you throughout the day....thanks so much for helping to make this community a greater place by having a professional and humane attitude.

Sally- Wow since last night you have a Gold Star, and many wise comments on here...I do think that Jason and his Popcorn could have been entertaining for a milosecond on some of those Posts...but after that I'd be afraid I'd choke on my Popcorn as a Ripleys Believe it or Not "Did they REALLY say that?" moment over came me :)

I think I will stand with Cynthia and give you a standing Ovation for saying so well what so many of us think....:) Thanks....oh, and I think we need to watch our opinion bashing on Wednesday as well. I hope that we do not have a bunch of whining that now the Country is...........from anyone. Whoever wins is our President and we need to give him a chance.

Hi Sally ... I separate the person and their real estate knowledge from their political/religious beliefs, even when they write hostile posts. If I do comment, I try to offer something constructive in a non-threatening manner. I guess what amazes me the most is that a good number of these angry posts are "public" posts. Be careful how you respond ... it's public! Good post!

WELL SAID! I have some pretty strong polital views, but I would never use my blog or website to promote my opinions. Honestly, I find it so unprofessional when other real estate professionals do this -- there are PLENTY of political and religious blogs and websites where they can chat or blog their hearts out!

You're right no one will ever agree and it brings out the ugly. BTW, who are you voting for??? :) Just kidding, please don't send that scary tornado after me!!!!!!

Sally there can be civil discussions about religion and politics, but unfortunately civil discussion is not the norm. People should be able to share their views with one another and discuss them intelligently, but for what ever reason most of the time when it comes to religion and politics are discussed emotions start to run high and words end up being said that create division among people that otherwise would be friends.

Hi Sally - Thanks for writing this. I try always to disagree with respect. Some things I cannot let go when I come across them. Discrimination in any form is a problem for me. I am amazed at the name calling and abuse that occurs during some of these discussions. It certainly does show people for what they are... the nuts look like nuts, the articulate look articulate.

hopefully after tomorrow we can worry a little less about politics and more about selling real estate.

Sally - it's almost over but once it's out there, it is out there, which is a shame, over time some of the wounds that were not to deep will heal but I suspect some will have very lasting effects.

I sure will be glad for the election to be over. I am tired that everywhere you turn, your being bombarded with opinions and predictions and fighting and on and on. I don't care to discuss my political views with others. I keep them private or at least within my own family. I feel like a lot of things are in a standstill with the election, I say, let's get moving forward, the sooner the better.

Aloha Sally— Whoa, I don't know what specifically triggered this entry, but I do agree with you that certain subject matter isn't appropriate on Activerain or other forums. Any negative, trash speak isn't appropriate any where (unless it's the privacy of your own home and even there negative stuff is harmful to family, friends, etc.). I am still amazed that some folks remain clueless concerning their unprofessional behavior.

Personally, I have adopted a "Do No Harm" policy. That doesn't mean I don't mess-up from time to time, but when I do I do my best to make it right and accept responsibility for my word and actions. I learned another lesson just a few days ago that sent me reeling! Fortunately it was a private matter and handled privately... duh, a novel concept!?!

I understand that some on AR want to discuss political issues that directly impact the mortgage and real estate business, but even then it should be an informative discussion which should be handled responsibly and respectully. There's enough mud-slinging around and i don't appreciate it being piled up where it doesn't belong.

I was reading through a few blogs the other day and was disgusted with the level of raving and ranting. I didn't comment because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire or be associated with unsavory folks.

I am not against freedom of expression (it's a great thing and worth protecting), but I do believe there are appropriate and inappropriate places to express and demonstrate this freedom. Thanks for an important reminder.. hopefully some of the clueless will get the message!

Sally- In recent weeks I have fallen prey to the Political blogs, and have written a few myself and commented on many. However, I have to say I've made friends with those I share vast differing views from and love to continue to the conversations in some ways to learn.

BUT that being said, I'm like Chris and do not like discrimination on a personal level, or the name calling and have tried to nip in the bud as well. Much of it goes wayyyy overboard. With respect on both sides of political and relgious views its just best to remain open and respectful. Many don't see it that way. (I can't wait until this all over..)

Sally, I completely agree with you. I never talk politics or religon with my clients, advertise my beliefs (bumper stickers,etc) or post a blog that could potentially allienate even one client. I personally can't afford to loose ANY clients because of a blog, even if it's meant to be funny or done in jest.

CAN'T Wait until Tuesday is over with!

I CHOOSE to detach from unhealthy (bashing and such) discussions on these particular subjects.

Hi Sally,

That's a wise decision. The way I see it, ActiveRain is for real estate. There are plenty of other places where politics can be discussed.

Respectfully,

Bruce

Sally - All I can say to you is amen sister. People feel that they have the right to force thier opinion on you. What good does that do anyway? I you don't like what I like, no matter how many times I tell you, you probably will not change your mind. I believe you said what you had to say in a very respectful way. However, I also got the underlying message. Good for you!

Have a great day
Leander

Nice piece, Sally. I agree with you 100%. But my views and resulting discussions, I have found, should not only be absent from Active Rain and such forums, I've found it better not even to discuss them with certain members of my immediate family! Reckon I'll just continue to THINK about things.

Well said, Sally. Thanks for taking on this subject and articulating it so well.

I agree. Nothing anyone says is going to make me change my views so why waste your time and energy? Some people love conflict.

Hi Sally, I spent some time on a few of the political sites but found them so divisive and bitter that I soon left !

Hi Sally, I'm with you on this one. I can't stand the negative energy in these types of posts. I do enjoy reading views other than my own, there may be points I hadn't considered or were unaware of, but if it gets ugly, I'm outta there!

Exactly the reason why i respect you. You said it very well with words. This is an area of business and no politics are needed here we already have to be blasted with it every day until 2morrow that is, just as many respected people here I also cant wait until Tuesday is over. But, yes as a client I read your blog and you know what??..... I read others blogs as well. I've learned that in this lifetime there's a saying "there are many ways to skin a cat" (not literally) but my way is not always the better way Ive learned to be open to opinions and in giving mine not to "push" them on anyone. That is down right rude and NO ONE respects that. Very well said Sally and keep it up Im reading all blogs :-> KB

HI SALLY!

I've got strong opinions which is why I don't discuss politics or religious beliefs. I feel like you're certain to offend someone and that's not what I'm here for. So, I refrain. I've unsubscribed to a few bloggers because of their opinions (that I totally didn't agree with). So, if I've unsubscribed, how many consumers have? Thanks & I love this post!

Yvette: You're so right...we are here for our main purpose of networking and connecting with our real estate industry peers, educate ourselves, have some fun and of course blog for business.

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KB: You see? Some people just don't get it.....so everyone...if you don't remember my post with a video testimonial....KB is MY Client. So keep on thinking that your clients, consumers, peers etc. love your ranting and raving keep on living in fantasy world.

"K" you are one in a million and you just keep on reading the 'good posts' and ignore the ones that have nothing to do with your agenda. Hmmmm...I think that's packing and getting your behind in that new house you just bought! LOL! In any case...these are the reasons that good Realtors® and awesome clients connect :) Thanks.

Bill: Good for you...no sense letting the neggies jump all over you :) Did you join the new fairy and elephant group? LOL!

Steven: Exactly....can't MAKE me think any differently ....and the negative stuff surely turned MANY away.

Margaret: I try. Just think....one more day and I get to vote....and very few know who I'm voting for and they don't even bother discussing with me anyway. :)

Good for you Bill...it's with that 'thinking before reacting' that will surely be the reason you sleep well at night :)

Leander: What can I say? I am my own person and no matter what....I will not be intimidated...nor coerced to change my mind. I am capable of making decisions based on what I know...not what others are screaming at me. :)

Bruce: Yup....like in their private emails that fly all over the place. My license means a lot to me. I hope when you get yours that you take heed to just move away from all the negative folk. There are more positive here than anything so just gear yourself to hang with the fairies (or whatever you choose to believe in that's positive for you :)

Ann: Good for you. It's one thing to have a great discussion but all those that claim they're having healthy discussions....well, their posts tell the story.

Linda: You're on target and know what is in the best intersts of you, your business, your clients and this industry...and it's people like you that we need more of!

Laura: You do what you have to do...for me it'll just be the same thing....asking that we all find it in ourselves to just be respectful of others. There is no need for calling out or anything else when it comes to opinons.

Hi Sally. How right you are. I have learned my lesson after being called names. There are just some blogs I will now steer clear of because I don't want to put my foot in my mouth. :) Thanks for reminding everyone that even though we can disagree we still need to play nice. :)

Hi Sally,

I'm glad to see this post. Actually, there are many other sites that are even WORSE! I start reading the blogs and posts and RUN! We are suppose to be building a community. How can you have a community if other alienate along the way???

Kudos to you, my friend!

Linda B: You have my very sentiments at heart. It's just the whole media crap and then we come online here and have to see it to. I do just move on but the whole bunch of negative junk just really doesn't do our industry justice.... This platform was not meant to be a negative sided conversation for sure. Thanks for your input....from a grand lady who taught me....the art of acceptance :)

Kim: I can imagine the discussions around children and grandchildren from the negative standpoint we've seen. What a way to teach and instill morals and values huh? I choose....to have my opinion...and regardless ..... what the topic is....there is no need for disrespect.

Kathy; Those that made their own bed have to lie in it. I just really do not respect those that brought the nonsense to this forum.

thank you. I don't have a problem when people wish to post their views in a respectful manner on their own blog (especially if it affects real estate), but being disrespectful in your comments on other people's blogs is unacceptable. Thank you for your post.

Michael: And so the commitment to KEEPING our network a wonderful community. These malcontents can go to those other forums and hash it out....and waste energy.

Chris: So true. They are oblivious to how they are presenting themselves. That's okay...they'll soon be out of business and gone from this forum anyway. They should put that much energy into their business and family life.

Brandon: All the posts are not what I'm talking about...there are plenty of great ones (even though I don't comment) that keep the bashing and mud slinging out of the post. Otherwise, there was no need to write. What we all are talking about here is respect and being the professionals we are supposed to be.

George: And that's what it's all about...the emotions running wild. I'm so glad you love me even though I believe in fairies :)

Pam: I'm voting for kung fu panda and my choice of religion (spiritual stuff) is the good fairies...like tinkerbell :)

Kerry: Yup....we all have our views....go clog up their own blog or website (like you said) with bantering and blatantly one sided opinionated posts.

Marie: I look at it this way.... will the public separate the person underneath the views from real estate? I take pride that the person I am is what the client is seeing no matter on or off line.

Kathy: So true....and to think what they're all teaching their kids. Whoever wins...is our president. And that's that.

Norma: You are definitely not alone in that remedy!

Susan: And the aftermath of all the diseased posts and comments that are left behind. Yuk.

Brande: Missed that one...I think...in any case...I did comment on one and decided to delete it...not worth my energy. Sorry that you had to read that one....not good...nope not good.

Tamara: You said it all right in your comment and the most important.....Destroying someone to make a short term point is no way to foster the cooperation needed for long term gain.

Beautiful!

Benita: Believe me...it took a little editing :)

Sally, your words are honest, straight forward and so true. I completely agree with you on every word. I have been the victim of such behavior, sarcastic comments on top of it because I do not listen and it does get tiresome. Sometimes I feel like saying, okay I know how you feel or what you believe but drop it already. Not everyone is the same, that is what makes us who we are. We are here to network with our peers, build our businesses and build friendships, not criticize others for who they are, what they believe, or because they dont agree with you. I applaud you for yet another wonderful post. :)

Donald: Plenty to talk about here...family, pets, fun stuff, real estate, mortgages, home staging, home inspections, title companies, and so on and so forth.

Judy: They need their own private group without any of us in it :)

Hey Ryan! Bout time you came back around..yup..we do what we do without all the banter. Hmm...success at its finest...with respect, honor and integrity. Sounds good to me :)

Bob: Yeah....and so the continuous story of the neggies on AR. Lately it's been downright ridiculous. One thing to give an opinion and have a discussion about a topic...another to continuously rant about the emails and smut they see online and hear from their buddies....so ewwwww.

Exactly! There is so much we can talk and discuss without starting a fight or bashing someone for using her brain and thinking in a different way than everyone else. I'm not sure what it is about the internet but some people feel they can just yell and scream and act in a rude way which would not fly in a real social situation.

Kathy: Already joined :)

Kris: A long time coming don't ya think. It's not just the politics either...it's always an ongoing problem with the shoving views down our online throats :) That's okay though...with posts as mine...we bring out the good of ActiveRain...and that's a fact!

Castle: But you see...there are already such groups...that are private...and only those members talk amongst themselves. So you see what I mean? Shoving views comes out into our forum...for what reason? They can conglomerate in their own private groups...Members only is not private....ANYONE CAN JOIN....what part of that do people not understand? It's not private...it's public as soon as someone signs up....geez.

Sally- I was totally agreeing with you:) You can read my comment again if you would like. I was saying that it is so rude to bash another person's beliefs. If one person is entitled to theirs, so it anothers. I hope I did not mess up the tone of my comment:) I was trying to say that people are entitled and should share their passionate beliefs but do it with grace and politeness.

This post would have been right on time about two months ago, also. I have been shocked by the level of fighting and bashing that has gone on over the past months. I'm not one to shy from the tough issues, but I don't believe in forcing my opinion on anyone. I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me...regardless of how much I think I am right.

I've come across posts recently that made my stomach hurt. There was so much mud being slung around that I got dirty just from passing through. I don't comment on those types of posts. What would be the point? The people involved are not interested in discussing anything...only attacking and judging. (That goes for people on both sides!) Nothing good can ever come from that.

Like you said...when this election is over...what will they blog about then? What will be the fallout of what they have done? GBU, Sally!!

Hmmm Now that wasn't my post that provided you with the idea for this post was it Sally? :-) The irony here......is that there are people who commented in your post here that do just that.......and yet pretend that they don't...hmmm whats that about? :-) Well it was a good lesson - some have to learn the lesson the hard way....then there are those like you Sally and Jason......who are smart enough that they don't need to learn the lesson..:-)

I can't believe people do some of those things. Like one commenter said you do remember who you don't want to do business with.

Bravo, Bravo, Sally, So well said! :)

Hi Sally...Congratulations on the feature. Your post is timely and thought provoking.

As an avid political junkie I prefer to put my energies where they will do the most good. I read a great deal, watch the news (various channels), and volunteer for candidates and causes I believe in. Sitting around writing posts that slam others because they do not "think" exactly like me goes against the grain.

Out of one side of our mouths we say people are entitled to their own opinions and that we believe in freedom of speech. However, some apparently believe that they are the only ones actually entitled.

It is sad to see how some people treat others here on the Rain. A little respect goes a long way.

Thank you.

Kate

Celeste- I am right there with you girl-- I just posted about this very thing. Not really the nasty, mean side of it, but I have seen that on here too. For the most part everyone has an opinion and it's a pretty strong one- so when someone disagrees- the daggers start flying. It's definately best to keep a lot of that out of the business aspect. Check out my post: Are you cutting off prospective clients or referrals?

Miriam: You must not be on here too much? I just click on blogs and they pop up on the dashboard.

Karen: Forever the wise one :) Your part..... and then demands that all others fall in line with it... that the venom appears. is what signifies the closed minded person who believes they are the only one in the world that is right. Their word is gospel or whatever you want to call it. All I know Karen is that the venom that reeked throughout some posts and through bloggers fingertips hitting that keyboard are ones I CHOOSE not to read...to move on....to disregard ....and to definitely stay away from as far as networking with and referring to. Nope...not my idea of a great person or business acquaintance either.

Hal: And I would expect no less from you....and so the reason i love your comments and your blog.

Margaret: And you can just hold that thought :)

Cynthia: And I give you all a commendation for standing with me on this topic. I'm not saying we're all right....I'm just saying that we choose to hold a higher standard to being positive human beings and professionals on a REAL Estate Network.

Laura: I'm certainly not dull....some may get the wrong impression that positive means we don't have a mouth. I really doubt they understand. Positive means I don't let anyone run all over me and I definitely have healthy boundaries....which excludes unapproachable people.

Rich: Okay....I will. :)

Lenn: Thanks Lenn....I bet I offended the offenders with this one as well :) :)

Jennifer: Yes indeed. But hey...they believe that their word is more important...that they need to be heard and who cares if they are affecting anyone....well, you see where i went with this....they can go for it....more healthy client relationships for the rest of us :)

BB: Well, we write on a couple of other topics too...but hey...it's all in good fun. This mean junk is not for me....well, you know me already. Healthy debates are one thing...heated just isn't woohoo and name calling is just absurd. Yes, the community is large...and there will be all kinds...but I continue on my quest to stay light on things...and be fair and respectful to others...no matter if here on a professional site....or face to face...or on the phone. I gotta email TLW...so busy lately.

Diane: Me either....and no matter what .... I'm mellow in my older years. Some others are just miserable I suppose.

Midori: Oh...I love the less is more thing....It is isn't it?

Laurie: No kidding...you just don't browse around as often as you used to :) No kidding. It is bad odds to try and intimidate me to think their way...nope...don't work. I like those tangibles :) Got business going on :) You're funny. I used to read those too...the 70 year old woman who gave birth and stuff...though it may have been true I found it kind of off the wall to put in a paper.

Lizette: It is NONE of anyones business about my personal preferences. I tell what I want to tell. The mean stuff is just out the window. Can't wait for tomorrow...get my part over and done with and sit back.

Charles: You are silly....I definitely am not a goddess :0 Everyone has a view...and I love to step in others shoes......unless it's negative. Nope...won't even begin to step in vulgar, closed minded opinions. With those there is no room for any discussion.

Neal: Drama and trauma. You know me...I'm forever trying to bring things forefront to make one at least think about how they're presenting themselves online. All I can do is give some info....it's up to anyone to at least try a different approach so they aren't making this place a forum for people who really ought to be on an anger management site.

Bill: No they don't. Then again...let em.. they are only cutting their own throats. For ones who are oblivious to the damage they're causing to their business, the friendships formed that now are lost, the readership lost and how they presented themselves to the whole world they will end up being the losers.

Marlene: I think i've been writing for months about guidelines and such....I finally had to go a little deeper.

Sylvie: I've done the same. I don't want to be associated with many of those that showed their true colors right here. That's when I just leave a light comment and retreat. There is no reason whatsoever for me to give them power by even leaving a response. Detach and let it die out. Hmm...I think someone told me that before... :)

Just so you all know.....my client is "KB" toward the bottom of this conversation. She reads my blog OFTEN...like every day or every other day. So all of you who think members only is just that....well, remember the posts you commented on that weren't members only as well.

I love my clients :)

Teri: agree to disagree doesn't seem to fit well with many. We know what it means....and we have had our share in the past huh Teri? I'm with you on the unsubscribing....MANY of us have done the same. Funny how some are blind to this stuff huh?

Gary: I've been selling for sure! I think it's because of the fairy belief lol!

Russell: You're welcome...chime in anytime :)

Kat: You're such a Kat. :) I love healthy anything :)

Sonja: I agree

Jason: Thanks so much for coming by. Yup....my views mirror yours....I just choose to bring up the behaviors and attitudes ONLINE. I love this place...know what I mean? Of course you do. :)

Steve: They can find links all over the internet. Oh...and in emails too. I've gotten the same emails as the posts written here. And no...none of the belittling comments belong here....AT ALL.

Lewis: Speaking of weather...beautiful sunny day with blue skies and a bit of some tropical winds.

Cristal: We all have a choice. I choose to not associate with unhealthy bantering. I choose to be respectful towards others...I choose to respect this network. :)

Karen: You said, It pains me to see how nasty some people on either side of the issue can be - and as some have said, it is good in that we can see people's true colors. Oh yeah...isn't it wonderful to finally see their true colors so we stop wondering if they're real LOL.

Lil Bro: Exactly! Then again...you're my lil bro...wouldn't expect anything less but straighforward honest opinion...without the mean stuff. :) Oh...that's cuz you love your sis :)

Chris/STephanie: Just keep doing what you're doing...staying away....negativity breeds MORE...and more...and it soon becomes an oozing puss all over the network. Okay, that sounded gross ...but then again...isn't all the junk floating around? :)

Kathryn: Looks like you needed to express yourself as well...you go! Yup....there is a time and a place.

Jenn: I just know none of these people would say any of this to my face. They'd be staring at the back of my head LOL

NOV

2008

Thank you Sally. It is so important to respect other's opinions. I have been asked so many times who I am voting for and why this past week I can't tell you. To my close friends who respect me I will discuss my choices and reasons for them and they will respect my choices even if they don't agree. I will not try to push my decisions on them. When someone starts to inject their personal biases into your blog you need to hit that delete button fast. If they want to rant and rave about the subject let them do it on their own space so people who love to read you don't have to be exposed to it and you don't need to be hurt by it.

Just remember to say "I have a delete button and I'm not afraid to use it" If we all did that these annoying people would go find somewhere else to "play" Have a great day Sally

I know people can blog about anything they want here but it is important to remember that this is a real estate network and staying professional is important when networking with one another.

Katerina: I think I was still hyped after writing lol! Thanks for coming back to clarify :)

Elizabeth: You said.... There was so much mud being slung around that I got dirty just from passing through. And so the reason for writing...I made a comment and then thought better of it and deleted it. I got a smudge for just that moment. :)

Sally, that was very well said and I can tell it came from the heart. I wish I could have written that piece because it sums up exactly what I've been feeling, especially lately. When I show property I make sure I don't have anything political or controversial in my car and never bring up the subject of politics or religion unless the client brings it up first. Thanks!

Liz: Actually, it was from all the bantering over the last year and a half...yours took the cake. I've been stressing the importance of our legacy we leave behind ONLINE for almost two years here....this is an ongoing thing with a different twist :) And those people just are blind to this ...BECAUSE...they only see it THEIR way. :)

Russ: Words may be forgiven...but NOT forgotten. :)

Ricki: Bravo!

Kathleen: Now that is the perfect scenario..... you said, Out of one side of our mouths we say people are entitled to their own opinions and that we believe in freedom of speech. However, some apparently believe that they are the only ones actually entitled. That's the whole thing...the ME syndrome thing going on there. ....and of course...entitlement issues. :)

Sally - This is a wonderfully written post. So true and it really hit a heart string with me this week. As more and more we see the little "rude" acts it has become habit to some people it seems and as hard as I try to stay positive I too sometimes lash back which does not make any situation better. I enjoy reading your blogs and thank your for reminding me of this:

in life there will always be someone who doesn't agree with you about something....... but ActiveRain and all its members will still be here and the legacy you have left behind will still be here as well.

That was beautifully said. Great job and the best of luck in all you do!

Tina: Thanks...read your post too...very insightful :)

Paddy: Believe me...I do :) If it's not too bad then I reply with "what does this have to do with my post?" LOL. oNe thing is for certain...I voted this am and I am .....RELIEVED. NOT one darn person can tell me why I need to vote for any of them!

Colo Realty: I totally agree....respectful and friendly. :)

Brian: It's really disheartening. We have MANY members here and the older ones really should know better than to start name calling and bashing. Not good...no mattere what the topic is. :)

Dione: I'm sure they realize that their few followers don't make up for the readership they lost, for the clientele they lost and for the other members who lost respect for them. On the other hand ...they may be just oblivious and count those few followers as good enough for them. Who knows...all I know is that newer members can follow good example.....Just read the GUIDELINES of ActiveRain and they'll be okay.

Sally-Well- now that the election is over...and the results announced let's pray the "aftermath" is not the same as what has been going on for the past year. We can only hope that our members here will be graceful losers.

Change is here, and we can be part of the solution or part of the problem...it's up to us.

DEC

Sally, I just came upon your blog and have to say I could not agree with you more on this one. It brought to mind some very derogatory names an agent in our office was called by another fellow agent shortly before the election because of his political views. Your message here is one of the best I've read in a while. Thanks for sharing.

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