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landlords and property managersI see rentals advertised all over town.  Move in with first, last, and security deposit.  Hmmm.  That's a lot of money.  How many people can afford to do this?  But, does the landlord understand what they're really asking for? Not always.

As a landlord for nearly 13 years I have always required first month's rent and a security deposit from tenant's moving in.  The security deposit is typically about $150 to $200 more than the rent amount. So, for $800 rent, the deposit is usually $1000.

Many landlords require first month's rent, last month's rent and a security deposit for move in. Let's think about this for a minute.  On an $800 rental, that's $800 first, $800 last and $1000 security. If they have a pet that can be another $200 nonrefundable FEE. So, a perspective tenant could be looking at $2800.00 to move in.  And, that's alot of money that many people just don't have!

I find additional problems with doing this:

As a landlord you may be potentially ruling out over 3/4 of tenants in the market. 

As a landlord you are responsible for keeping track of the last month's rent. Often times we hear of landlords spending the last month's rent, and it's gone by the end of the lease term.

If the tenant remains in the home for multiple years, and the rent continues to be raised over multiple years, the last month's rent will no longer be enough to cover that rent.

As simple as this sounds, the last month's rent is to be used for the last month of the lease term only and NOTHING else.

Now look at this... this has not happened to me personally, but in the past, I have seen and heard of it happening to other landlords. 

     A tenant doesn't pay their rent, The landlord evicts for non payment of rent.  There is also some damage to the rental unit.  The lease usually provides the landlord with the right to retain the tenant's security deposit to cover the lost rent and/or damages (with proper notification to the tenant).  But, maybe there is not enough money to cover the unpaid rent and/or damages.  So, the landlord assumes that he has a right to the tenant's last month's rent.  Makes sense, right?  Well maybe NOT!

BE VERY CAREFUL!

This may not be the case at all. In the past, in 2 instances, I have seen landlords in a court of law, fighting for the tenant's last month's rent. EVEN THOUGH THE TENANT OWED THE LANDLORD MONEY FOR UNPAID RENT AND/OR DAMAGES I HAVE SEEN JUDGES AWARD THE LAST MONTH RENT BACK TO THE TENANT! (WHAT???) I have heard them say the money is to be used for the last month of the lease term, ONLY. If the tenant is not staying the last month (but being evicted), I have seen it go back to the tenant (with money still owed to the landlord!) *see note below -and check the current laws in your area. I am certain that a judge must review every aspect of each case to make a final determination.

UNBELIEVABLE, RIGHT?

So as a landlord, you may consider collecting first, last and security from a tenant moving in, collect first and security.  If you are feeling a bit uncomfortable, then increase the security deposit.  Be careful if you decide to collect last month's rent (and read my note below*- be sure to check with a real estate attorney in your area and follow their recommended guidelines).

 

*NOTE: I am not an attorney and I do not profess to practice law. I do not know the laws in your state nor do I profess to preach the law here in Florida. So please check with a real estate attorney. Find out what they advise in your area. Be sure the you know and understand the laws here in Florida, as well as in your state.

 

 

 

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25 Comments on Landlords and Property Managers - Do You Collect Last Month's Rent Upfront? Be Careful if You Do!

NOV
06
2008
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Hi Sandy. That IS unbelievable! As a landlord myself, I find that tenants, if they know they are moving, try to avoid paying the "last month's rent" and assume that the SECURITY DEPOSIT will cover their last monthly payment. Is there a group for landlords in AR? If so, I'd like to join. ~Pat

9:50am • #1
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Hi Pat, I have been a landlord for almost 13 years now and I think I've probably placed over 125 tenants in that time. I've only had ONE tenant in all those years that used their security as their last month rent. She knew I was going to keep her deposit. But they were with me for over 8 years and paid me over $78000 in rent.  So being cut short the security was no big deal. I don't know if there is a group here on AR named landlords. If you start one, let me know. I'm there!

9:57am • #2
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Sandy, This is good sound advise and, as a one time property manager, I have had small claims court experience. I found that the judges 3/4 of the time would rule for the poor tenant if they simply showed up to court...

10:07am • #3
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Thanks for the information.  I don't have rentals but I do have investors that I deal with..  I'll be sure to pass this along.

10:13am • #4
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Paul, How are you today?  Thanks for the information. I think the judges look at situations on a case by case basis.  I have seen some rule for the tenant and others rule for the tenant.  Hard to tell what is going to happen.  I suppose they must look at all aspects of the case.

10:25am • #5
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Hi Allen, Make sure you check the laws where you are, so they know exactly what to anticipate.  Good luck with your investors.  Great time for them to buy right now!

10:27am • #6

This is great info! Thanks for sharing, I do have a client right now who wants exactly that, and I will talk to them about this.

10:54am • #7
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Hi Katrina, Just be sure to check the laws in your area to see what they allow or check with a good real estate attorney.  Best wishes!

11:12am • #8

Sandy,

   I made that point, in an abbreviated fashion, in a previous post.  I've seen it happen many times, where the landlord collected first and last month's rent, where the tennants just don't pay the last month's rent because they figure the landlord already has collected it.  This leaves the owner with no deposit.

11:14am • #9
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Hi Jerry, I don't really care for collecting last months rent - I think that there are just too many snags that a landlord can get into with it.  I prefer to just increase the security deposit, if need be.  I've been very fortunate and really have had no problems with collecting the last months rent at the end of the lease term (knock on wood).

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In Arizona, you can only collect up to 1 1/2 times the rent in deposts. We collect rent and a deposit that is between the rent amount and the 1 1/2 times which is allowed. It is all refundable (I don't believe in non-refundable deposits. We both TELL the tenants, and it is hard-written in our lease, that the deposit is NOT a last month's rent. This is still a large amount, and it DOES weed out some tenants. But we've found by experience that, if they can't put it up they will probably have trouble payong rent down the road.

1:02pm • #11
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Hi Leslie, There is definitely a differentiation between last month rent and a security deposit on our lease. I think that it is good that it is spelled out in the lease that it is in fact a deposit and not last month's rent.  We charge a pet FEE, it is not a deposit because it is not refundable. I would say that nearly 70% of landlords do not allow pets at all.  I agree that a larger deposit will weed out many tenants.  I suppose it depends on what price range your rental is in as to how much you choose to charge for a deposit. And, I think it also depends on each person as an individual, as to their paying habits. For me, here, in the $800 rental range, I have found it is unrealistic to expect an exoribant deposit amount.  Thanks for the feedback and best wishes to you!

1:31pm • #12
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We do a new lease for the next year and if they have paid on time we drop the last month requirement.

5:58pm • #13
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That's all good to know, Sandy.  I do not have rental property, but it's good info to have for landlords.  And remind them to check state laws! 

Potential renters are always stunned by the amount (usually first, last and agency fee) they have to pay.  It usually sends them running to the classifieds where they can at least save on the agency fee.  Thanks for the explanation.  And tomorrow is Friday :)

 

6:58pm • #14
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I've never collected last months rent in addition to the security deposit and first months rent.   Most of the time that is more money than people have.

9:58pm • #15
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Sandy,

Even though you are not an attorney, the advise here is priceless.  One never knows how the courts will rule...

Ann

10:42pm • #16
NOV
07
2008

Sandy - great point - I don't believe that you need to collect all that money!  A deposit and the first month's rent is reasonable and in many cases, quite a bit of money anyway!  I have not sued for the last months rent like that - but if you want to file a judgement in WI, I do not believe you can sue for months of rent in the future.  You can only sue for months of rent that you lost.  For ex. if you evict someone and fill the unit the very next month, you would only be able to sue for the lost rent up to that month along with re-rental costs.

6:50am • #17
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Hi Joyce, I always make sure to do a new lease each year also.  Dropping the last month rent at that time (if you've collected it) makes sense and seems fair.  Thanks for your feedback!

8:41am • #18
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Hi Marie, I think that potential renters are stunned by the amount of the move in money and so many just don't have it.  So why ask for it?  Many people just are not in a position to have that kind of money saved up.

9:01am • #19
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Hi Justin, I'm with you.  Times are tough...hard to get that much money upfront from people.  Thanks for stopping by as you always do and have a super weekend!

9:02am • #20
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Hi Ann, i think we must be very careful as landlords (and tenants) and we must know and understand the law in our area.  So very important, because so many don't know it. Have a wonderful weekend!

9:07am • #21
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Hi David , The laws vary in each state and landlords must be cautious and understand their rights, as I think that tenants must understand theirs also.  Thanks for the feedback.

9:10am • #22
NOV
08
2008
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Sandy,

Yes, I have noticed comments and posts about things that would never fly in Missouri.

Information is KING!

Ann

5:34pm • #23
NOV
09
2008

Sandy,

As many instances that I have heard or seen first hand, i never ceases to amaze me as to how much power is given to tenants.

Landlords have so many potential pitfalls... its a little scary!

Sean

8:26pm • #24
NOV
10
2008
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Hi Sean, Here in Florida things have changed a bit and landlords are beginning to be treaty pretty well by Florida law.  In watching the dynamics of the landlord/tenant relationships, I often find that landlords get hit hard because they didn't do their homework first.  There are so many things to be careful of, and it is up to the landlord to know the laws in his/her area and to understand them.  Otherwise, they get stuck.  I think that this is more than half the problem - many landlords are just not informed!

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