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Can we blame The Tanking of the Stock Market on Obama?

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Charisma Media Group, LLC 50622

I would love to say yes. However, I can't wholeheartedly put all the blame on the election result. I do believe that smaller investors are throwing in the towel--just because of the fear that the market will go lower still. And, I do believe investors are also rethinking whether or not they want to be in the stock market at all, because of the OBAMA's confiscatory tax scheme.

But what were the market forces which moved this market down in the past couple of sessions?

(1) BAD NEWS and (2) poor sales and or earnings projections

On November 5th Cisco Systems projected sales and earnings are "gloomy." Cisco expects sales for its current quarter to drop 5 to 10 percent from the $9.8 billion reported in the same period last year.

John Chambers, Cisco's CEO said: "The environment has changed dramatically in the last two months," words like these move markets...

The second reason the market tanked was due to depressing retail sales results: "According to the ICSC-Goldman Sachs index, retailers had their weakest October performance since the index's inception in 1969. Sales fell 1.0% compared with a 1.0% gain in September. Of the 16 retailers reporting results on Thursday, Thomson Reuters said 60.0% missed expectations and only 33.0% beat." (From FORBES)

With the promise of higher taxes from Obama, it will not be good for the economy. Higher taxes have never stimulated economic growth.

Do I think an Obama administration is going to be good for investors or consumers? No.

  • For consumers, increased taxes on Corporations will be passed on to them. It is ludicrous to believe that Corporations pay taxes, they don't. 
  • Second, investors can look forward to higher Capital gains taxes, which means less money to reinvest and or spend.

January 20th will be here before we know it, we'll see if Obama can walk on water.

 

 

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John March

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Comments(25)

John March
Charisma Media Group, LLC - Bluffton, SC
"Engage, connect, prosper" (Matt 6:33)

Titanium, Ok, good points indeed.

See you tomorrow. Lord Willing.

Nov 06, 2008 02:50 PM
Jay Allen
MovieVoice Production Co. - Paducah, KY
MovieVoice

John, if you believe we should blame a future president for a present condition, then you must believe that the '91 recession was Clinton's fault, the '73 oil crisis was Carter's fault, the '53 & '57 recessions were Kennedy's fault, and the Great Depression was Truman's fault.  Do you believe that the DJIA rose 248 points today because Obama spoke - or would that be too much of a coincidence?

Nov 07, 2008 08:56 AM
John March
Charisma Media Group, LLC - Bluffton, SC
"Engage, connect, prosper" (Matt 6:33)

Jay, If we are to blame anyone for the current market situation, it is not the  current President of the United States--it would lay squarely with OBAMA and the Democrats who have been in charge for sometime and who could have given us a tax cut to stimulatw the economy.

Please Read what I wrote. I said, I didn't place all the blame on Obama... but his tax scheme wouldn't sit well with any investor.

And, Obama is not going to be good for our economy, count on it--it is "deja vus all over again"

Democratic presidential candidates as well as some conservative intellectuals, are suggesting that Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal is a good model for government policy today.

Mounting evidence, however, makes clear that poor people were principal victims of the New Deal. The evidence has been developed by dozens of economists -- including two Nobel Prize winners -- at Brown, Columbia, Princeton, Johns Hopkins, the University of California (Berkeley) and University of Chicago, among other universities.

New Deal programs were financed by tripling federal taxes from $1.6 billion in 1933 to $5.3 billion in 1940. Excise taxes, personal income taxes, inheritance taxes, corporate income taxes, holding company taxes and so-called "excess profits" taxes all went up.

Does any of this SOUND FAMILIAR?

SOURCE:

Jim Powell, senior fellow at the Cato Institute, is author of FDR's Folly, How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression (Crown Forum, 2003).

 

Nov 07, 2008 09:43 AM
Broker Nick
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Coconut Creek, FL
Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service

You think investors would love to cut their losses before the capital gains hike from Obama and the anti- Capitalists now in power and in the future?

Yes, indeed. Not even a liberal can deny that.

Nov 07, 2008 11:46 AM
Hugh Krone
Weichert Referral Associates - Hamburg, NJ
Realtor, Sussex County NJ

John, for the last couple of years I've been listening to people blame President Bush for everything that has went wrong since Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, so yes I can balme the market on Obama

Nov 07, 2008 12:38 PM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL

Jay - The DJIA did not rise today, that's all smoke and mirrors.  Obama's media forged the numbers, it really dropped 248 points today because Obama's such a bad person.  It will hit zero before he gets inaugurated. 

Nov 07, 2008 12:52 PM
Tim and Pam Cash
Crye-Leike (Sango) - Clarksville, TN
Real Estate Professionals - Clarksville TN

Too many years of corruption in my opinion.  I can't blame a single person for the woes we are seeing right now.  I believe that the market and big industry has went unchecked for many moons and it is all coming to a head.

Only yesterday the 3 big automakers were up at the hill for yet another loan (handout really) which they will most likely get. 

Alot of promises made even with full knowledge of this mess.  We will see if there are tax cuts - I find it nearly impossible for any of us, especially after giving away near a TRILLION dollars.

Nov 07, 2008 01:00 PM
Jay Allen
MovieVoice Production Co. - Paducah, KY
MovieVoice

Tchaka, it's going to be interesting and unfortunate to see what else is blamed on Obama before he is President.  Let's see, between now and his inauguration, if there's an:

Earthquake - blame Obama
Tsunami - blame Obama
Avalanche - blame Obama
Flu - blame Obama
Rain - blame Obama
Your favorite sports team loses - blame Obama
Bad service at a restaurant - blame Obama
Traffic - blame Obama
and of course... the tanking stock market - blame Obama

Nov 07, 2008 02:24 PM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL

Jay - My favorite team did lose (MNF)!!  But that's ok because their loss guaranteed an Obama victory, so that's one of the times I'm ok with the blame.  I can tell you right now that if I oversleep and am late for an appointment, you know who's going to get the blame!  It sure won't be me.

Nov 07, 2008 02:59 PM
Jay Allen
MovieVoice Production Co. - Paducah, KY
MovieVoice

Tchaka, even school children have a new excuse... no more of "the dog ate my homework" instead "Obama took my homework and redistributed it"!

Nov 07, 2008 03:04 PM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

Nov 07, 2008 03:14 PM
Anonymous
Jeff

Jay- Your homework excuse was close, but it's actually, "I don't need to do my homework anymore teacher - now that Obama is president, you're supposed to take away GPA points from the achievers, and re-distribute them to us slackers"

 John - The market's answer to your question is a resounding YES!  Investors and businesses are extremely worried about the Socialistic plans that Obama, Pelosi and Reid have in mind.  This bunch is going to make 'The Carter Years' look prosperous, before they're done dismantling our Capitalistic system.  The info below is from Reuters, here - http://uk.reuters.com/article/usMktRpt/idUKN0748885920081107

NEW YORK, Nov 7 (Reuters) - U.S. stocks broke out of their
post-election funk on Friday, but on balance, the market hardly
delivered a ringing endorsement of Barack Obama's defeat of John
McCain
to be elected 44th president of the United States.

 Whatever the reason, since Election Day, major U.S. indexes are
down more than 7 percent.For the Dow Jones industrial average .DJI and Standard & Poor's 500 .SPX, that represents the worst ever
conclusion to the week of a presidential election.
The following table shows the percentage rise or decline in the
Dow Jones industrial average, Standard & Poor's 500 index and Nasdaq
composite index in the last three days of the week of a U.S
presidential election, as well as who won the Election Day vote.
Year   Dow    S&P    Nasdaq  President elect
2008  -7.08  -7.43   -7.46   Barack Obama
2004  +3.51  +3.15   +2.73   George W. Bush
2000  -3.19  -4.60  -11.32   No decision: G.W. Bush v Al Gore*
1996  +2.28  +2.34   +2.31   William Clinton
1992  -0.38  -0.56   +2.02   William Clinton
1988  -2.84  -2.63   -1.34   George H. W. Bush
1984  -2.02  -1.65   -0.42   Ronald Reagan
1980  -0.51  +0.11   +0.19   Ronald Reagan
1976  -2.38  -2.21   -1.02   James Carter
1972  +1.06  -0.22   -0.34   Richard Nixon
1968  +1.35  +0.82    ---    Richard Nixon
1964  +0.16  +0.06    ---    Lyndon Johnson
1960  +1.84  +1.38    ---    John Kennedy
1956  -2.02  -2.65    ---    Dwight Eisenhower
1952  +1.20  +0.73    ---    Dwight Eisenhower
1948  -6.00  -7.16    ---    Harry Truman
1944  +0.11  +0.31    ---    Franklin Roosevelt
1940  +1.06  +0.81    ---    Franklin Roosevelt
1936  +2.79  +1.40    ---    Franklin Roosevelt
1932  +5.34  +8.02    ---    Franklin Roosevelt
1928  +2.13  +1.99    ---    Herbert Hoover
1924  +0.93   ---     ---    Calvin Coolidge
1920  -2.34   ---     ---    Warren Harding
1916  +0.41   ---     ---    Woodrow Wilson
1912  +1.13   ---     ---    Woodrow Wilson
1908  +5.28   ---     ---    William Taft
1904  +2.75   ---     ---    Theodore Roosevelt
1900  +7.03   ---     ---    William McKinley
1896  +5.86   ---     ---    William McKinley
STOCKS IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WEEK

 

Nov 07, 2008 07:52 PM
#17
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

Well, investors don't seam to be real impressed with him so far!

Nov 07, 2008 08:27 PM
Broker Nick
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Coconut Creek, FL
Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service

Wow, thats the worst since William McKinley. And Jay says facts don't matter?

Nov 07, 2008 11:43 PM
John March
Charisma Media Group, LLC - Bluffton, SC
"Engage, connect, prosper" (Matt 6:33)

The Stock Market's tanking has everything to do with the credit crisis--the credit crisis, foreclosures, a poor housing market, fewer construction jobs, fewer sales from manufacturers--are you getting the idea...

If there is any one to BLAME it's  dDemocrats--and BARRY is a Democrat. These people wanted to facilitate home ownership for those who were, at best, risky borrowers. they encouraged and perpetuated the house of cards based on derivatives (mortgage-backed securities which ultimately collapsed-- So all of you proud barry obama fans, the markets rise--yesterday-- had zip to do with him--the market will digest the idiotic choice for president and move on. All barry will do is make it more difficult for economic growth.

Secondly, you barry obama fans have been bashing George Bush for 8 years. You have blamed him for every one of the things I see mentioned in posts above--if you happen to get a case of the runs, you'd blame him for that too. 

I think you can expect barry to get the same amount of respect that Geoge bush got but hopefully that will only be for FOUR years.

Nov 08, 2008 12:36 AM
Tchaka Owen
Galleria International Realty - Hollywood, FL

Barry?  C'mon, you can do better than that.

Nov 08, 2008 12:47 AM
Jay Allen
MovieVoice Production Co. - Paducah, KY
MovieVoice

Jeff, great job on picking needles out of a hay stack.  What will our economy look like in 4 years?  That will be a good indicator of Obama's effectiveness, not looking at stock market performance the week of each election.  If you believe, as most do, that the economy is in the worst shape since the Great Depression - then your stats are meaningless.

Why not blame the tanking of the stock market on John McCain for not suspending his campaign long enough?

Nov 08, 2008 03:38 AM
Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL

Eight years of failed economics, only 18 months of which had Democrats in control of congress, is the reason for the stock market tanking.  Worldwide all indices are down, is Obama and the Democratic congress responsible for those as well?  You guys are sure gonna have a great four years, blaming everything from the economy to hurricanes on Obama.  While you're having fun, the rest of us will be working to do whatever we can to heal this country.

Nov 08, 2008 03:49 AM
Scott Smith
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Gloucester, MA
Gloucester & Rockport, Massachusetts

John: Barack isn't PRESIDENT yet. Your buddy Bush is STILL pResident. He is fully responsible for the financial mess. Not Congress, but Bush. The republicans controlled congress for 12 years and have had the White House for the past 8 (controlling everything for the past 6). Responsibilkity falls to your man.

Nov 08, 2008 06:52 AM
John March
Charisma Media Group, LLC - Bluffton, SC
"Engage, connect, prosper" (Matt 6:33)

Scott, you can try, but that won't work. Here are the three reasons for the collapse: 1)Barney Frank, 2) Chris dodd, 3) Democrat controlled Fannie Mae

They pushed for and increasingly 'flexible' loan terms and standards as a positive step for low-income and minority families. They ignored all the warnings given by President bush and John McCain

Nov 08, 2008 07:16 AM