shopping

Me - "What kind of payment do you want and or feel comfortable with?" 

Consumer - "I want that rate of 5.5%."  

Me"Your payment is going to be $2,500 based on that $200,000 house ."

Consumer - "That's too much. Why is it so much?"

Me - "Sir, it would be better if I asked you a few questions first. Again, what payment would you feel comfortable with? 2nd, what are your goals? (I would go into more detail at this time)  These are 2 great questions that will allow me to get to know more about you, so I can tailor the best possible loan for you. Possibly giving you a few different options."

Consumer - "But I want that low rate that my neighbor got last month!" 

Me - "Sir, there are just too many variables in regards to your statement. Too many unknowns. First off, that was a month ago, rates can change daily. Second, how many points did he pay and how much did he put down?  How much did he come to the closing table with? What were his credit scores?"  

Consumer"I don't know. My credit is good because my credit score is a 600. And I don't want to put much down."

Me - "Sir, if you can just allow me to ask those questions again, I will be able to educate you on what I am trying to accomplish for you and be able to give you a detailed breakdown of how this works. And what you just supplied to me still doesn't help me. Can we start over? Do you trust me, that I want to help you? If you don't have trust and faith in me, then we won't be able to move forward."

Consumer - "Well, my best friend has used you several times and says he trusts you. And I trust him, so I guess so. Okay, what do you need again?"

 

rates

 

Many people in our industry have been told to sell payment, not rate. If you think about it, it makes sense. Too many people get hung up on trying to get the lower rate. Sometimes in your mind, a lower rate means that you can afford that payment. When in reality, you should start with what payment you can afford.

Another issue is that some consumers try to out do their neighbors and friends. It becomes bragging rights, in regards to who got the best deal. Unless you both pull out your credit reports, you HUD-1 settlement sheet (to see how much you paid), and bought the exact same house; this still won't tell you who got the best deal. 

Last, each consumer is different. There is not one person out there that will ever have the exact same scenario as the next. And 2 months down the road, who can say that the rates would be the same or that they are the same.

 

  

Trust the professional that you decide to go with. Always ask questions and if you don't understand something, don't hesitate to ask. "No question is a bad question." 

 

 

For some other things to keep in mind while comparing, please read :

Shoppers that shop themselves right out of the market…….

The Myths about ZERO point mortgages instead of paying points upfront……

First Time Homebuyers & what to look for in a Mortgage Lender before you apply or make application; may it be buying, or refinancing. (Also, info for people refinancing or that aren’t first time homebuyers.) 

 

What inspired me to write this post was a comment that David A. Podgursky made in another blog of mine, stating that so many people shop rate and not payment.  

 

23 Comments on Mortgage Shopping -- Rate vs Payment......

APR
18
2007
521,400 Points 102 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog
When I get a potential client and I refer them to a loan officer I tell them to make sure and tell the LO what they want to spend per month for their monthly payment.  I tell them that if they have super duper credit that anyone can qualify for that 500k home but do they want to pay that monthly payment?  I also let them know that after the LO pulls their credit and they talk about what kind of loan program best suits them the LO will let them know what the rate is.  Okay Jeff....did I do good?  If you can add anything to that let me know....
10:47pm • #1
So very true ---its really about the payment!
10:56pm • #2
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Sally.... basically everything that you should do. And basically giving them your input on what they should think about prior to speaking to a loan officer. This solidifies two different professionals both being on the same page. If you are a team player with a loan officer, and you both believe in each other, you can both give this impression to the consumer. If the client trusted you from the get go, just point this out to them, so they should trust your referral also. But that's if you totally believe in your referral. It also makes things easier for all parties involved. Yes, good job.

Shekeria.... yes it is. Thanks for stopping by.

11:19pm • #3
APR
19
2007
521,400 Points 102 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Wouldn't refer anyone i didn't trust or believe in..I usually give three at a time....that I have worked extensively with in the past....

I like your input and feedback...thanks.

12:07am • #4
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Jeff - Thanks for the clarification. I always refer my clients' rate, payment questions, etc. to my mortgage professional!
7:51am • #5

Nice Post. I really do try to sell payment over rate. Some people are just stuck in the past and only worry about the rate

Ben

8:25am • #6
167,178 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Jeff great post!! I tell my clients when was the last time you made a check payable in %.. They usually say never.  I tell theme exactly :-)  Not just the rate but what taxes, Insurance or HOA fee's?  All of this is your total payment.  Now lets get back to your payments and comfort zone.
9:14am • #7
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Jeff!  Darn you!  I was getting so frustrated reading that "dialogue" that you had in the beginning.  Ugh.  If anybody like that is reading this, please don't call me for your mortgage.  Sometimes rates even change twice daily-- how about that rate shoppers?
10:00am • #8
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Sally.... yes, I wouldn't either. But even from our side, you just never know sometimes. Just making a good judgment call is important and helping our clients understand. thanks for the follow up...

Chrissy..... that's about the best thing that you could do. Nothing against realtors, but I see some get too involved and sometimes can mess things up. Advice and opinion are good, but if you are just going off of what you have heard from others, this is not good. Thanks for your input.

Benjamin..... can you blame them though? If I was on the other side of the fence, I would be worried about the rate. But if you can explain it to them, they will understand that the payment is what they should be focused on, because there is so much that comes with rate. Credit scores, assets, their goals, income... etc etc...

Matthew.... that's a great point and comment. And if you read above what I wrote to Benjamin, that will tie in with what you mentioned. And thanks for that polite compliment.

Karen....   lol   what made you frustrated?  Haven't you ever had a conversation that started somewhat like that? I would be interested.

Now, are you serious about not calling you?  I would still want them to call me, at least giving me a chance to explain this to them. You just never had a rate shopper? It doesn't matter if it came from a referral source, the internet, or some type of advertising.

Thanks for your input and for stopping by. 

10:10am • #9
167,178 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Jeff very true.. and your very welcome :-)..
10:12am • #10
I just have to ditto everyone else. There is so much more involved than just the rate. Especially down here (MS Gulf Coast) potential/current homeowners have to think about insurance much more than they may have in the past -- it is so expensive now after the hurricane. I try to focus on the payments they will making not entirely on the rate. 
10:59am • #11
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Nicely done - I can not believe the number of people that forget about the payment and focus on the interest rate - it amazes me with first time home buyers - they hear so much about interest rates that that allow that to rule them - sometimes a little higher interest rate will actually be a lower payment do to "hidden" (not understood till closing) costs.
11:11am • #12
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Hi Jeff-- Yes, I've had lots of conversations like that.  And thanks for the offer, but I don't want to go into it.  I get so frustrated with people, but its probably because I am not lying or cheating or trying to screw them in some way.  I just wish people would take the time to listen.

And yes Jeff, in my other post, I meant to say "bottom of your profile."  I fixed it.  I haven't done anything yet, but notice that I am soon to be puting information about each state I am licensed in at the bottom of my profile:  http://activerain.com/azmortgagelady

11:35am • #13
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Matthew..... thanks ...

Tonisha.... that's not a problem and there is nothing wrong with ditto comments. And we do seem to agree that there is so much more in regards to rate. Part of the problem is that many loan officers just give rate and don't educate. Ask about their goals and explain the process.

In regards to payments being so much more expensive because of the insurance, I agree. And the consumer doesn't think about this because they are so focused on rate.  thanks for your input. 

Thesa..... As mentioned above with Tonisha, trust, I am amazed also. And I have been doing this for 14 1/2 years.  And you make some good points about rates and the costs.  thanks

Karen..... we don't have to get into it.  ;o)   I was just curious, because your previous comment sounded like you haven't experienced much of this. I was like, wow, I wish that happened to me. But then again, I have learned a lot more by consumers just focusing on rate.

In regards to people listening?  They do listen, to those that aren't being upfront with them, thinking that their promise and what is put on paper holds truth

And thanks about the profile issue. 

12:00pm • #14
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Hi Jeff,

I think we all face these types of objections and questions all the time.  People are competitive by nature and always want to feel like they got BEST deal.  The problem is that with mortgages many times the BEST deal isn't the BEST deal!

People should compare APR's but that almost never happens.  I try to educate my customers so they don't get swindled by some other dishonest lender.  Sometimes it works and sometimes they have their mind made up.

3:37pm • #15
APR
20
2007
443,487 Points 147 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Olan... it's good to see you around. Yes, people are conpetitive by nature and want the best deal. Just that so many don't get it even when promised it, because they are so focused on that rate. And the lender won't bother to ask the correct questions and ask what the consumer's goals are. Two big problems.

Thanks for your input and for stopping by. 

1:14am • #16
MAY
09
2007
that's a great way to put it to potential clients...and you're also getting them to agree with what your trying to accomplish. AWESOME!
8:57pm • #17
MAY
10
2007
2 Featured Posts
You always need to get to the true purpose of the loan.  Most people think the lowest rate gets the lowest payment.  How many people know the interest rate on their auto lease?  How many people know their payment?
6:48am • #18
MAY
16
2007
443,487 Points 147 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Jason....  thanks a lot for those enthusiastic comments...

Michael...  I agree.... what is it that you are looking for. Sure... everyone wants the lowest rate, but is your payment still going to be too high?  thanks for stopping by.

12:28pm • #19
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Jeff - the guy in your example called me today! I told him to call Jeff   lol   
10:03pm • #20
MAY
25
2007
443,487 Points 147 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Lewis...... funny......   have you come across many of these?  Again, it goes back to educating the consumer.

 As PROFESSIONALS, we need to RAISE the bar & educate consumers.........

1:24am • #21
AUG
17
2007

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10:00am • #22
DEC
15

Well said!

Danell Merren
9:29am • #23

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