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R. A. I. N. Radio - Copyright Laws and You

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radio Did you listen?  RAIN Talk Radio Copyright 

Were you in the chat room?

What did you get out of it?

Did it scare you? 

I listened a couple of hours after it was  recorded. I read Copyright Laws and You - Here's All You'll EVER Need To Know  and meant to listen to the R.A.I.N. radio show live but forgot about it.  Should have put it on my calendar! I don't really have the patience to listen to something like that, but I listened to it.... while I did other things on the computer.

At the bottom of Brad's post there is a list of things covered in the 1.5 hours, jokes, recipes, images, snippets, fair use, Youtube, screenshots, maps (don't steal Lenn's maps!) and more.... Practical info about practically everything we puzzle over here?

The radio show has made me puzzle a bit over reblogging.  This post is not rebloggable.  I have to give reblogging some more thought.

I have known Lenn for years and have learned a lot about copyright from "listening" to her first on RealTalk (or was it Real Talk? it's been so long)  and then on ActiveRain about copyright.  The copyright conversations on RealTalk were really pretty boring to me back then.  They did not apply to me then.  Or did they?  I never thought I would use the info much. Mostly what I got out of the conversations on RealTalk were, "don't steal Lenn's maps."

What I got out of listening to R. A. I. N.  Radio about copyright:

  1. My blogs are commercial.  Really?  Really.
  2. Copyright - eCo online sytem
  3. Fair Use   Not new to me but something I have to read and reread to understand.
  4. Be afraid... be very afraid, or read the Terms of Use.... duhScreen Capture of Flickr screen about the photo I am using
  5. Hire an attorney.

All you ever need to know, huh?

I doubt the hard core "copy and pasters", or plagiarists  took the 1.5 hours to listen to the radio show.  I think it had valuable info for people who are new to blogging.  And some of us that are older bloggers.  In blog years of course.

 

Photo credit : Yeah I could have grabbed a camera and taken my own picture of my own radio.... but I don't want to. You may want to.  The photo above is Old Dusty Radio by Mark Sebastion, posted to Flikr.  mark sebastian's photostream  How did I know I could use it?   Creative Commons License  and not just a Creative Commons License but licensed for commercial use.  This is commercial, see #1 above.

Jeff Turner and other ActiveRain members have done some great tutorials about using Flickr to share, use search to find info about Flickr on ActiveRain, not all pictures on Flickr can be shared.  Kathy McGraw has a new group for sharing photos on ActiveRain.  Blog Photos: How to use images from the Internet and not get sued  hmmmm.

Gee is my screen capture violating Flickr's copyright?

 

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Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton
Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC - Hilton Head Island, SC

Have to say that it's a whole lot easier to blog without using photos.....I sure hope I'm doing this right but it seems to be getting more complex.

Nov 16, 2008 11:10 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Again thanks all.

John I don't know if anyone is practicing copyright law on ActiveRain...  Everyone needs to understand it for themselves.   We get so excited when some new thing is introduced and then when you read the terms and conditions ....  it's NOT for commercial use.  Not just on AR.  I have seen the biggies in the RE blogosphere recommend stuff and then when everyone has jumped on the band wagon. "ooops"

Marilyn    Was Bob there?  I thought I remembered a story about Rich having to pay for a mistake. 

Diane I am amazed how long I blogged before I really started using photos and became image addicted.

Nov 16, 2008 11:21 AM
real estate real estate
Providence, RI

I wonder where to download the clip. I would like to listen to it.

Nov 16, 2008 11:41 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

It is well worth spending a few dollars if you don't have time to take your own photos - or use the creative commons as explained here.   It is good have have a lot of reminders -- we don't want our Rainers to get into trouble.

Nov 16, 2008 01:32 PM
Marilyn Katz
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - Westport, CT
ABR, e-PRO - WestportCTProperties.com

Maureen- You're right.  It was Rich, who called in and talked about photographers posting thousands of pics, waiting for the copyright to be violated.

Sorry guys - sometimes  I just think of you as different versions of the same guy ;-)

Nov 16, 2008 01:39 PM
Brad Andersohn
Retired Executive Director of Education at eXp - Boulder Creek, CA
ActiveBrad - 707.646.1876

Marilyn - LOL~ :-)

Both Rich and Lenn have told me aboiut these folks that plant photos and graphics then go after the "right click syndrome" culprits.

@Huiting - Maureen put a link to the recorded broadcast in her post above:
Copyright Laws and You - Here's All You'll EVER Need To Know

Nov 16, 2008 03:00 PM
Terri Visser
Desert Sky Real Estate, LLC - Redmond, OR
CRS - 12 Years Selling Central Oregon Real Estate

Guess I better find my way to the broadcast and have a listen.  Don't want to find myseslf in copyright jail!

Nov 16, 2008 03:12 PM
Paul Francis
Francis Group Real Estate - Las Vegas, NV
Las Vegas Real Estate Agent - Summerlin Homes

Great summary. Do you know what the damages are of what it could cost?

Nov 16, 2008 03:15 PM
Marcia Kramarz
Re/Max Executive Realty - Medway, MA
CDPE,LMC,CBR

This always scares me - I wonder about the creative pics I see on AR ... I assume people are taking the pics themselves... Do appreciate the link to the shared blogger site - Will check it out...

Nov 16, 2008 08:18 PM
Kris Wales
Keller Williams Realty - Lakeside Market Center - Macomb, MI
Real Estate Blog & Homes for Sale search site, Macomb County MI

Maureen, I had a chance to listen to most of the radio show and was highly impressed.  (Thank you again Lenn for taking the time to do this)

My blogs may be boring - not all fancy schmancy with videos and lots of photos, but guess what?  They're all mine.  I don't have to worry about anyone ever coming to me demanding $$ for something I borrowed stole.

Nov 16, 2008 09:06 PM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Thanks all for the comments. 

I think it is a shame that some of it is not black and white with "hands off" stamped on it because it keeps people from innovating and collaborating. It does not keep the people like those who are being kicked off ActiveRain from borrowing images and content.

The one time I saw a title rep using one of Lenn's maps on AR though, the copyright was visilble in the photo.  I thought maybe Lenn has given him permission to use that map.  "Copyright Lenn Harley"  should  be "black and white" enough.

Paul Francis wrote "Do you know what the damages are of what it could cost?" listen to the show.  Lenn talks about what she usually gets.  Highest $41,000? .... I think. 

Nov 16, 2008 10:03 PM
Rich Ferretti
Rich Ferretti Real Estate - Charlotte, NC
ABR QSC Realtor/Broker, Charlotte NC Real Estate a

WOW, just when you think you get, you don't. Rich Charlotte NC

Nov 16, 2008 10:06 PM
Ed Vogt
Midwest Properties of Michigan - Grandville, MI
Grandville, MI Midwest Properties

I'll definitely have to take the time to listen to this.  We're always learning so much here on AR - but it's all for the good of the community.

Nov 16, 2008 11:42 PM
Teri Eckholm
Boardman Realty - White Bear Lake, MN
REALTOR Serving Mpls/St Paul North & East Metro

Maureen--I listened after the fact as you did. At first it was just so I could hear Lenn's voice and put it to all that great writing I have read over the past couple of years but I ended up listening to the whole thing. I never repost others information or photos. I ask for permission from any and everyone or use my own. Funny thing is the times that I took the extra time to ask for permission to use a photo, the answer was alway yes...with a back link and the approval came in minutes. It doesn't take long to ask permission. I don't have the money to take a chance on being sued. ;)

Nov 17, 2008 12:22 AM
Jason Ellis
Coastal REO Solutions - Myrtle Beach Short Sales & REO's - Myrtle Beach, SC

thanks for the info -- it will keep me out of hot water -- JE

Nov 17, 2008 12:42 AM
Debbie Summers
Charles Rutenberg Realty - New Smyrna Beach, FL

Maureen - I can't imagine how anyone can think that using copy & paste is ok...  If it isn't yours keep your hands off of it. 

Nov 17, 2008 05:04 AM
Jamie Dumaine-Russell
RE/MAX Alliance - Branford, CT

Maureen - I was on that call and learned so much after listening in to Lenn, her attorney and from the many great questions that were asked during the course of the show.  There are definitely some gray areas when it comes to these issues and best to err on the side of caution whenever you're in doubt. 

Nov 17, 2008 07:19 AM
Gregory Lohr
West Columbia, SC

I listened to the radio broadcast, and kept hearing about people in the chat room, but didn't figure out how to get to it.  I wished they would have provided that info.  Copyright is black and white, except for that grey area...."fair use."  Some of what I thought was "fair use," may not be after all. 

Nov 17, 2008 11:43 AM
Lola Audu
Lola Audu~Audu Real Estate~Grand Rapids, MI Real Estate - Grand Rapids, MI
Audu Real Estate~Grand Rapids, MI ~Welcome Home!

I listened to the radio broadcast and it is well worth the time.  We're so lucky to have access to so much valuable information through the Active Rain network.

Nov 17, 2008 02:09 PM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Gregory wrote "I listened to the radio broadcast, and kept hearing about people in the chat room, but didn't figure out how to get to it.  I wished they would have provided that info. "

Live? hmmm. I assumed that would have been in Brad's Copyright Laws and You - Here's All You'll EVER Need To Know.  there had to be directions somewhere. Lots of people got in.  I was disappointed that people did not say WHO they were, mostly they just said they did not raise their hand to ask a question and said something like "great radio show, thanks for sharing" IMHO.    I was disappointed in that part of the conversation. With one chattter I assumed when Brad said something about Hawaii it was Sally or Randy.  There are other AR members in HI? Who'd have known... I would have liked the people to ID themselves but I guess if I was put on the spot and did not have a question I would not necessarily want to be ID'd.

Thanks all for the comments.

 

Nov 17, 2008 10:22 PM
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