A Democracy or a Republic?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Missy Caulk TEAM
We are not a democracy Our constitution      
Our country was not formed a democracy.

We  were founded as a Republican form of government and herein lies the problem. 

There in NO where in our Constitution of Bill of Rights that uses the word Democracy. Oh you learned it in your text books, we all did. We all hear it today, yet the Founding Fathers detested it. Thomas Paine, considered it one of the vilest forms of government. 

However, as I got older and cared about our history and the founding of America, I discovered that truth. Now in the midst of bailouts and more and more banks, businesses and governments holding their hands out it would do a well to remember this.

It would be interesting to ask our current legislatures and those just elected to explain the difference between a Democracy and a Republican form of government.

The following quote attributed to Professor Alexander Fraser Tyler who was writing back when America was still a colony:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with a result that a democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship.  

Article 4 Section 4 of our Constitution guarantees to every state in the Union a Republican form of government.

Thirty eight years after the Declaration of Independence was written, John Adams warned “A democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy that didn’t commit suicide.”

The Declaration of Independence contains the principals of a Republican form of government. All men are created equal with certain unalienable rights that governments are formed by men to secure these rights and that governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. The essence a Republic is the rule of law.  This law is common law and scientific law. It does not change.

Thomas Jefferson said, as he admonished Supreme Court Justice William Johnson:

"On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." Thomas Jefferson, Memoir, Correspondence, and Miscellanies, From the papers of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, editor (Boston: Gray and Bowen, 1830), Vol IV, p. 373, to Judge William Johnson on June 12 1823.

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Kat DeLong
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Missy: an amazing post!  This part "Thirty eight years after the Declaration of Independence was written, John Adams warned "A democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy that didn't commit suicide."  I did NOT know this!    What do you think John Adams and ALL our Founding Fathers would THINK today if they were here?

 I THINK they're all rolling over in their graves!

Nov 15, 2008 01:46 PM #8
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Donna Harris
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Great post.  I thought my husband was saying some very smart things a couple of weeks ago about this same stuff, only to see most of it quoted above.  He's not as smart as I thought he was!!  I don't see much changing in 4 years if we don't get "serious" candidates next time.

Nov 15, 2008 01:53 PM #9
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Missy.... I agree with Marchel, to think how a great empire fell.  It was called greed. In regards to your post, you make some excellent points. And it does come down to what they teach our children. We need to revist history...especially our politicians.

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Nov 15, 2008 01:58 PM #10
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Elaine Reese, REALTOR® in central Ohio
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As you know, I fully support what you're saying. Your post is excellent!

There is one thing that continues to bother me. There was so much discussion about the lobbyists and their money tilting the candidates. As Realtors, how do we explain NAR's lobbying efforts? How is our organization different from all the other lobbyists? Aren't they pushing for the DPA programs, which are "handouts" from the seller? We just received yet another email from the NAR wanting us to spam the politicians to switch their views to benefit housing sales.

Is our organization really any different from the oil lobbyists, the union lobbyists, the banking lobbyists, etc. asking for handouts that will ultimately benefit our income?

We need to return to life where people took responsibility for their own actions and stopped looking for gov't to bail them out. We'll know we're there when ladders no longer carry a bunch of stickers advising the user that they might fall. ;-)

Nov 15, 2008 01:59 PM #11
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Terry & Bonnie Westbrook
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I do believe the newly elected government will be better than the current out of touch group of elite self centered group we have in power. I am hopeful they can get us back on track.

Nov 15, 2008 02:30 PM #12
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Elaine, a lobbyist is a lobbyist. I don't know if we are paying bribing them but I hope not.

Jeff, most of the history books are not revisionist history not our true heritage and unfortunately that is what our kids and nieces are learning.

Donna, time will tell, but I think we will.

Kat, I have asked myself so many times that same question. One of the Fathers said, and I can't remember who but, "here's your republic, good luck keeping it?' Ouch.

Jim, I bet most of them just don't know the difference in the two.

Richard, we have been doing this for years, I think with Woodrow Wilson it started, and that is going downhill fast.

Sharon, the courts are being abused too, more so on the district and circuit level but it is not good. All the cases waiting to get up the Supreme Ct are not good if passed or overturned.

Katerina, you know how I feel about the Unions, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. My husband has to belong to the teachers one. Can you imagine if Obama allows them to not vote privately. Yikes, it is alread intimidating enough if teachers don't agree.

Marchel, that my friend is what is happening, it is not without. We are frogs in a pot of boiling water.

Nov 15, 2008 02:54 PM #13
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William Johnson
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Hi , I became concerned here for a minute, then i realized our family lineage was not from here back then. Thank God for small favors.

Listen, Missy, this Post is so wonderful and clear and I recall most of this from my history but it is sure is nice to provide this as a fresher for those that don't know it that well.

We are at a crossroads and surely hope we as a nation and a concept for freedom get through this and that life can return to some normalcy.

Nov 15, 2008 02:56 PM #14
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Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing and Online Advertising Consultant
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Missy,

I agree with you in so many ways.  I also agree with Katerina.  I was just speaking to my children a couple of weeks ago, independently and collectively, that it is okay to question the information you are receiving.  If it doesnt' seem right to you, or it seems there has to be more, research it, or ask me for help. 

I don't want my children to be mindless as I don't live that way.

There is much to learn about what has gone on and it would behoove people to read and learn.  If we think it started with this election, well, our "freedoms" were being taken away long before than, our voice was given to lobbyists and elite way before than.

 

Nov 15, 2008 05:29 PM #15
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Excellent post and points, and I remain convinced that the brains of most of our leaders and politicians are sodden with viagra, therefore tainted, and just not 'up' for the jobs they have secured.

 

Nov 15, 2008 06:54 PM #16
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Heather the Realtor Orlando, Lake Mary
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Most people should be Republican based on what the party originally stood for but the problem our Republican party of today is a far cry from what it should be.

Nov 16, 2008 02:04 AM #17
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Fran Gaspari
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Missy,

I wonder if they even teach CIVICS anymore...!!! Thanks,   Fran

Nov 16, 2008 04:31 AM #18
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Patricia Kennedy
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Missy, now this is a civics lesson I never got in school!  With everything going on today, it would not take much to push ourselves over the edge.  This is the scariest time I've ever lived through.

Nov 16, 2008 04:54 AM #19
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Missy Caulk
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Fran, they do, my husband teaches history, geography, and civics. In his district it is together. But, some districts are us it is required. It is just what are they teaching/

Pat, ditto

Orlando, this is not about the Republican of Democrat parties, it is about how we were founded, and BOTH parties are at fault on forgetting it. It is about all the people wanting a hand out. 

Susie, LOL wouldn't surprise me at all.

Rebecca, yes it started LONG ago and not just with this election. It is a basic misunderstanding of how we were formed and the documents that should govern us.

William, we are on a slippery slop and it will take a Great Awakening to restore us to our heritage and preserve the true nature of this Republic.

Nov 16, 2008 05:24 AM #20
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Sharon Alters
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Another thought to ponder:

'A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take away everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

Nov 16, 2008 08:08 AM #21
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Donna Bigda
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Missy - Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they could see the current state of our Republic.  It so disappoints me that our children are not being taught the importance of the Declaration of Indepence and The Constitution in our schools today.  They have no clue as to the real purpose of these documents or the true history of this nation.

Nov 16, 2008 08:47 AM #22
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Terry- I certainly hope and pray you are right. The first signs of the new leadership is not that convincing of new hope and change. The same ol', same ol' are the ones being hired for positions, I would think for change you need new people not cronies that have been in power for years and years in the senate, etc. I also have been the recipient and many of my friends of violent threats and their violent protests are denying us the right to worship. I am hoping this is not a sign of things to come. Katerina

Nov 16, 2008 12:25 PM #23
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What a fantastic post Missy.  If one were to look at the parallels between the Roman Empire and America, there would be a lot of wide, shocked eyes.  We can not continue down this path of unchecked, unbridled government subsidies.  This is not the nation the Founding Fathers envisioned, toiled and sacrificed for.  Our nation would be all but unrecognizable to them today. 

Nov 17, 2008 06:32 PM #24
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Very interesting  post. Thanks for the post.

Nov 17, 2008 11:06 PM #25
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Missy, this of course agrees with what I sent you and your blog expands on it.  It is scary to see where we are going facilitated by our elected "representatives"?  Note on lobbyist:  if government was not trying to regulate every aspect of the business world  there would be no need for lobbyist.

Nov 20, 2008 05:19 AM #26
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Missy Caulk
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Hi Uncle Fred, glad you came over here and read this. I got a call today too, on my posting of this, all good. Good point on the need for lobbyist.

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