Wow What is going on in this world of ours ?

I agree people need to stand up and say enough!  The majority of the population seems to be afraid to speak because they may offend some sensitive slug. I have no problem with people coming into this country and improving their lives.  I just don't feel any obligation to be the provider for the world. Do not expect my hard earned tax dollars to pay for unemployment, medical benefits & education for illegals. 

Same goes for long term incarceration of career criminals. If the sentence is termination so be it.  Why waste hundreds of thousands of dollars over a few decades with endless appeals.  Get the job done!

Hope that is not to intense for you.. I'm working on the warm fuzzy turn the other cheek attitude...

Doug

Well....you and I have had this conversation before.  I have a hard time with the people that don't know our language....for example....Illegal alien.  Doesn't any one recognize when they are in this category they have already broken the law?  The word illegal should send a clue.  For those that want to come to this country legaly to better themselves and our land I welcome them with open arms.  Just please learn the language of the country...English, and be able to take care of yourself. 

I agree that we should not have to supports the world.  We are for the most part struggling to keep our heads above the water line as it is.  Yes, this is still the richest country in the world but the middle class is rapidly disappearing just like it has in third world countries.  If we don't speak up about the negative things that are happening in our own country and then fix them, then we have no right to talk about what is happening in other countries.  I say we must tend our own garden first.  Thanks for the thought provoking post.

I am not so concerned with whether someone can speak the language or not. I think a healthy attempt would certainly help. Also, I am not sure that its the illegal aliens that are causing alot of criminal acts. We have tons of criminals from within our own born and bred citizens.

Now, on the other hand, I am NOT paying 33% tax bracket for someone who is not even contributing any taxes to get free' everything because we want to be the world's welfare system. I believe that there are two sides to this issue and we should address both.

Right now, alot of illegal aliens will come and do jobs that alot of us aren't willing to do. Alot of legal aliens will come and do jobs most of us "proud" Americans won't do.

Hell, I have seen non-citizens join the military and fight for a country that has not yet even recognized them as one of its own. So, who is the bigger patriot?

I have fought, and bled for this country. There is alot I believe in here. But, we are too busy being focused on one aspect, or the sexy, hot topic of the moment. We have lost sight of what this country was meant to be. Very few of us are Native Americans, but, yet we want even the legal aliens to all learn English. should we all go back and speak Cherokee? Black Feet? or any other Native American language?

We are the same people who will go to visit another country and yell, "What's wrong with you? Can't you speak English?" Where is the desirable melting pot we were meant to be?

Border control is a real issue. It is. But, what about people control? What about ethical control? What about parental control? What about governmental restraint?

We have so many internal problems that we can't  even focus correctly on the issues we know we need to fix. How about we fix the issue of the elected officials who are supposed to represent our desires and wants?

What is more important? Stopping an illegal who is looking for a better chance? Or holding our elected officials responsible for actually doing something CLOSE to what they promised on election day to actually secure our borders?

I do get slightly aggrevated when we decide to attribute our problems on all these peripheral issues. The bulk of our problems are internal.

Johnnie

OK let's talk straight and not with emotion.  First of all when I said "English" I was speaking of the one word "illegal."

I have lived out of this country for 10 years.  I know what it is like on the other side of the boarder.  I have had to make my way in a country that wasn't of my birth and not of my language.  I had to raise my son and work a business.  I had legalities to take care of.  Let me assure you that they did not change the laws for me.  They didn't have the documents that I had to fill out and sign translated into English.  The driver's license I had to get (and take a test for) wasn't translated into English for me.  All of the legal forms I had to have to run a business were not in English and they didn't make any exceptions for me or the other 100,000 Americans that are living in the country.  We either learned the language or paid the price.

Yes, I know that we stole this country from the American Indian.  That is a shame all of us bare.  And if we hadn't and we had tried to live in harmony, then we would at the very least be speaking a combination of English and any of the American Indian languages.  However that is the past and what has been done can not be undone.

It is not a question whether or not Americans want to do certain jobs, it is not the question of can the immigrant speak English, although it is the national language of the United States.  It is not even a question of should we let the illegal's just walk in and use all of the services that tax payers work hard to pay taxes for, and yes most of the illegal's are honest hard working people, and some of them have served in our military with distinction.

It is also true that when we started this country we needed immigrants.  Now in today's world it is a different scenario all together.  We grant quotas to every country on the list of countries allowed to have immigrants come to this country.  We have certain types of visas. They are; tourist, student, 3 month stay, business and several others. There are legal ways to enter this country.

However, for those that are illegally here, they are costing you and me more than the taxes we pay for them to be here.  One of the largest exports from this country is the US dollar.   Most, 76% is money that is made by illegal's and sent back to their country of origin. So what you say, well the hard cold truth is that we, the United States have to buy back that money, and at an inflated price.  That is money that is taken out of your pocket.  The services that they use because they have no medical insurance comes out of your pocket. The food stamps that they take comes out of your pocket.  The cost of the prisons that house the ones that are criminals comes out of your pocket.  The schools that teach the illegals children comes out of your pocket.  This is only the tip of the financial iceberg.

Then they have the unequaled guts to demonstrate demanding their rights.  What they don't understand and evidently most citizens of this country don't understand either is that they don't have any rights by virtue of the way they entered this country.

The only right they have is to go back to their home land and get a legal visa to enter this country.  If they are in fear of their life then they can ask at any of our Embassies for refuge. However, if they are from across the Southern part of our boarders that is not the case.

There is never a justification for doing illegally what can and should be done legally.

As for the individuals that visit other countries and tell the native to speak English, well what can I say?  There are uncatholic , uneducated individuals in every country.

This is not about the sexy, hot topic of the hour.  This is a real problem and if we don't fix it soon we will all pay the price.  If we don't keep our laws sovereign, if we don't obey the laws we have put in place, then we have already lost.  You say that you don't want to discuss the hot topic, and yet you talk about what was done 200 years ago.  You say;

"We have so many internal problems that we can't  even focus correctly on the issues we know we need to fix. How about we fix the issue of the elected officials who are supposed to represent our desires and wants?

What is more important? Stopping an illegal who is looking for a better chance? Or holding our elected officials responsible for actually doing something CLOSE to what they promised on election day to actually secure our borders?"

Did you know that one of the biggest gangs, one of the most deadly gangs that think nothing of killing just for the sake of killing is a gang that is made up mostly of illegal's?  To me that isn't making a better life for anyone.  Are you suggesting that we hold our elected officials to task for just what you want them to do?  Or do you want them to do all of what they promised to do?  I opt for the later.  In this country we have free elections, and if we don't like what a duly elected official is doing then we can do something about it, but most of us are just to busy with our lives to bother.

What I said stands.  It is much more than just a few individuals that want a better life.  How can you have a better life that is founded on a lie and braking the law?

Roberta,

Perfect response. I will confess to enciting a riot. My point was to get you to clarify your position And you did so eloquently. What you have presented here is a very educated and thorough explanation.

Unfortunately, most who get on the topic of illegals, do so from an emotional and very limited view.

As far as politicians are concerned, I am not sure what the answer is. Yes, we have the ability to vote them in and vote out, but, in between what is accomplished?

How do we get them to focus on this exodus of the dollar?

Johnnie,

Thank you for such nice comments.  The only way I can see to curb the flow of currency out of this country is to limit the illegal's.  We will never be able to stopthe flow completely but it would go a long way.  I speak Spanish and have had long talks with those that come to this country from our Southern boarders.  They work here send money home and buy their houses there.  The money they earn does not go back into this country to help make it stronger.  Tell your elected officials that you want this stopped. Use your power.  Most of us don't know how much power we have with our elected officials.  We think it stops at the voting box and that's not true.  This kind of thinking is making us victims and that is not the American way. We are stronger in number so when it comes to this topic it is better to be informed and not use the "this is my country so leave" rhetoric.  There is a real concern and it is our children and their children that will pay the price for our complacency.

I hopw you havea a great day.:)

Don't get me wrong here, but I do feel sorry for the illegal immigrants that enter our country, however I don't feel sorry enough  that I think they should be allowed to stay.

As far as the massacre that took place in Virginia, right now I'm fit to be tied. I just found out that a certain religious fanatical group will be attending these kids funerals and protesting. There is something very sick about that. I've been to funerals where these people have been there protesting.  The signs they hold up that are shown on the news are the mild ones, the signs that not even the media will show would blow your mind.  Now these families of these kids will have this to deal with along with the grief of losing thier loved one.  As you said, what's happening here?  I hate to see what my own children and grandchildren will someday have to deal with!

Doug,

That's it in a nutshell!  I like your political thinking there...if only we could depend on them to do what they say they will do! I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting! LOL!  We are not counting on any money from Social Security for our retirement and have been socking away every penny we can in our IRA, especially now that they want to allow illegals to draw social security.  If that's not one of the most lame brained things i've ever heard of! They did not pay into SS so why should they be allowed to draw it?