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This is part five of this subject (read previous parts here) and is closely connected to my ongoing series on cracks on our properties and in our homes (click here to read them).

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I promised I would talk about four common trees that are sold commercially but should not be planted on a residential property unless you can plant them well away from your home or any other structure, including driveways, walkways, pools and spas, overhead utility lines (electric, telephone, cable), and buried utility lines (sewer and water supply).

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"Sitting in the Palm Tree," ABBA, 1974

All of these trees have lateral or flat root systems, which means that the roots are very close to the surface, many times on the surface and visible. Our #4 culprit tree is the

Palm

I have to qualify this, though. There are many palms which are small, beautiful, and not problematic. The palms we're going to discuss are the Washingtonia and Phoenix species.

  1. Washingtonia species -- these are most of the commonly available palms that have fronds that look like fans



    Personally, I think (prepare for an opinion) the Washingtonia palm is ugly, ugly, ugly, especially when it gets older because it is nothing but a telephone pole with some green stuff waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up there at the top. For example, those palm trees in the picture above? Here's what they look like at the front door of the condos:



    What a wonderful view to look out of one's living room window to see a telephone pole. I'm continually amazed at the people who complain to the utility companies about telephone poles ruining the views from their properties, and when I drive by I see a trillion palm trees. In fact, I can't find the telephone pole for the palm trees. Maybe they're mistaking the palm trees for telephone poles? LOL
  2. Phoenix species -- the date palms -- these are not where you get a date for Friday Night at the Movies, but rather the date that YOU eat. I emphasize YOU because I think (prepare for another opinion) the date is nasty, absolutely nasty. Give me some jalapeno nachos and a good margarita instead.

To give you an idea of the excellent root system that these two species have, think back to the tornadoes and hurricanes that ravage the Gulf Coast. Very often you'll see the tops of the palm trees ripped off but the tree still stuck in the ground. Part of that is related to the skinniness of the palm tree, and part is related to the root system.

All palms love water, but Washingtonia and Phoenix species have root systems that are very good at finding it. If I didn't know better, I think they have been taught what a sewer pipe looks like and that there are plenty of wonderful nutrients inside of it. They also seem to know exactly what a swimming pool is made of and that it is nothing but a big bowl of palm tree water.

When I was building and renovating properties in Texas and Southern California, I regularly found sewer pipes that literally had been crushed by palm roots yet the plumbing system showed no signs of stoppage inside the house because these trees are so adept at soaking up water and nutrients.

Unfortunately, I lost my palm tree/swimming pool collection of photos in the Great Computer Hard Drive Crash of August 2005 (aka GCHDC805), but I can tell you from my experience in building and renovating swimming pools that you don't want Washingtonia and Phoenix palm species anywhere near a swimming pool. It's not a question of if they will break through your pool, it's a question of when.

Most of the other palms are okay, but as with all trees, keep them as far away as possible from sewer systems, pools, foundations, roofs, driveways, and walkways.

Especially for Jane Grant, I approve of your queen palms and your pygmy date palms.

Here's a list of the most commonly available palm species:

  1. Areca -- commonly grown as a house plant
  2. Bactris
  3. Bismarckia
  4. Borassus
  5. Calamus
  6. Cocos -- the coconut palm
  7. Copernica -- where carnauba wax comes from for all you auto enthusiasts
  8. Corypha
  9. Elaeis -- the oil palms
  10. Euterpe -- cabbage heart palms
  11. Hyphaene
  12. Jubaea
  13. Latania
  14. Maurita
  15. Metroxylon -- sago palms
  16. Phoenix -- date palms
  17. Raphia
  18. Roystonea -- the royal palms common in Texas and Florida
  19. Sabal -- the palmetto palms
  20. Salacca
  21. Syagrus -- queen palm
  22. Trachycarpus
  23. Washingtonia -- fan palms

I'll be back soon with a wrap-up on trees.


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18 Comments on Which trees cause the most damage to our properties (part five)

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19
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How about those ficus trees? Very intrusive root. Very damaging.

1:06pm • #1
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YOU ROCK!  Was gonna plant a date palm three feet from my pool.  If they can find a sewer system they surely can find the pool!

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22
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O.K. I don't know how I missed my own name in your blog.   I have been distracted.  Glad the queens and pygmy's are O.K.  On our 5 acre ranch we have about 10 queens scattered around, that are huge.  We have pepper trees along the fence line and approx. 200 pine trees that we planted on the slopes because someone gave them to us.   We also have crepe mertle, Oak, and mesquite sprinkeled in.  Nothing really near the house though.  I'll post some pictures some day.

9:29am • #4
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I just wish our climate in Northern Illinois was palm tree friendly but it was -23 this morning here in Cary, IL!

12:08pm • #5
JAN
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Hi Russel, This is an interesting list, because I live in the northern climes!

12:00am • #6
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This is a bit off topic, but has anyone ever witnessed bark stripping on a tree?  Happened in my wooded areas behind my home this past Fall.  I did some research - all of the bark had been stripped off the tree from the ground to midway up - and on a very large tree.  I thought a bear had done it.  What I found out is that it probably was done by the squirrels.  We have had a very low nut production this year, I think from gypsy moth spraying over our area.  The squirrels get distressed and go after the bark.  The tree will not survive and will eventually die and fall.

7:57pm • #7
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Hey, Renée.

There are many animals that will strip bark from a tree. Deer, elk, and moose scrape their antlers on trees when they are growing. I've watched javelina in South Texas strip the bark off a tree with their large fangs. Squirrels, raccoons, and opossums also have been known to strip bark. Basically any creature with claws, large teeth, or antlers might do it under the right circumstances.

The bark protects the phloem layer, which is an layer of soft wood just underneath the bark. It is the phloem layer that provides the means of transport for water and nutrients from the roots to the tree, and when that layer is exposed to the sun or otherwise damaged, the tree will die, as you noted.

12:23pm • #8
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Thanks Russel.  I had never seen this before when it was newly done.  It is quite startling.  I don't want the nature of my hardwood population in my wooded areas to change, and I researched a bit about how to control the situation.  It appears that I would have to eliminate the animal which is doing it.  So, is it the animal or the tree I should be concerned about?  Or just leave it alone and let Mother Nature work in its own way?  The squirrels around my yard have become a source of entertainment and amusement.  We fondly refer to them as "tree rats."  And I enjoy my trees also.

6:53pm • #9
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Hi Russel, You are way too smart!

7:59pm • #10
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Russel, you are very smart!  I just noticed how you accented the second "e" in my name, which is the correct way to do it !!  Most people don't, including me, because I don't know how to do it within these blog boxes, unless I copy and paste.  I'm very interesting too, aren't I?  It's late, I'm getting groggy, and I need to make my AR points.  You are more than welcome to blog on my blog - "How to Measure your worth in today's tekno arena - where are the Activerain points?"

9:16pm • #11
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Hey, Renée.

Accenting your e is very easy on both Windows and Mac. I'll presume you have Windows. Simply hold the Alternate key down, and, on the number pad at the right side of the keyboard -- it's important that you don't use the row of numbers at the top of the keyboard -- type 130. If that doesn't work, type 0130. 130 probably works in about 90% of Windows programs.

9:46pm • #12
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Hey, Renée.

As far as the trees are concerned, survival of the fittest comes into play here. Most animals debark the weakest trees, so those trees probably were not going to make it too much longer anyway. Let Mother and Father Nature take their course on this one.

Now if you find 25 trees per acre, and all 25 are debarked, then there is something else going on. But an individual tree or two is probably okay.

10:18pm • #13
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Hey, Marian.

Do you mean "for my own good"? LOL

2:52am • #14
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Dear Russel, thanks for the accent on the "e" tip and for making my day about the tree.  It amazes me how much animals know - example, the woodpeckers pecking holes in trees that are already dead; or the big bear that was in my back one day, with my garbage pail between his legs as he pulled down the handles that locked its top in place.

Renée  :) :)  It worked!

4:21pm • #15
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Hey, Renée.

Mother and Father Nature pretty much know what they are doing. It's when people get in the way that cause problems. LOL

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O.k. to answer the inquiring minds....I think that I told myself that Palms have a shallow root system. Two reasons:

1.  I have planted many in pots and have had them live for years in those pots...Pygmy dates and Queen palms are the varieties.

2.  I used to live in Hemet California and I had a pool home that had huge disiduous trees very near the pool.   My boys and I would spend hours after school every week raking the leaves out of the pool, when we forgot to put the cover on....it was hell actually.

So that is why I love Palm trees so much....no leaves, no roots as far a I know....at least compared to maple and other types of deciduous trees....   :)

So now I want to know....do pygmy dates and queen palms have shallow root systems.

No Phoenix caranesis for me, too expensive!

10:31pm • #17
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Hey, Jane.

You can get any tree to live in a pot. Think "bonsai."

Pygmy dates and queen palms have shoow root system relative to the bigger palms. The general rule of thumb, which holds quite well for palm trees, is that the root system goes down as deep as the tree is tall.

Another general rule of thumb: Don't plant deciduous trees near swimming pools. It can be "hell actually" to keep the pool clean -- LOL.

10:53pm • #18

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