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I'm annoyed today.  I received two conflicting pieces of information on what has been going on with the HVCC.  The first came from an appraiser friend in Maryland, who received an email from their state board representative who was at a national meeting of the appraisal foundation.  That email said:

"I know you are all concerned about the HVCC that resulted from the FannieMae/FreddieMac agreement with the State of New York.

From what I could learn at The Appraisal Foundation's Board of Trustees meeting, it is highly unlikely that the HVCC will go into effect on January 1 of next year. We know that Fannie and Freddie have a new Federal oversight manager, which will certainly want to review all their policies and procedures and is unlikely to simply tell them to keep doing everything they have been doing - especially since the head of one of the Federal Financial Regulatory Agencies, the Comptroller of the Currency, sent a comment letter saying the agreement exceeded their authority because it allowed one state to set policy for banks throughout the country. Furthermore, mortgage legislation passed in the house that affected appraisals had not yet gotten through the Senate when the current financial crisis hit big time and pushed everything else onto the back burner. It is not likely to be taken up until Congress resumes after the holidays. When it is revisited, it is highly likely that the HVCC will turn out to be much different than originally drafted, if it survives at all.
As of a few days ago, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were still waiting to hear from the Federal Housing Finance Agency if there will be a revised Home Valuation Code of Conduct released and if so, what the time for implementation will be. The last public comment made by FHFA Director James Lockhart - that indicated FHFA was planning to release a revised HVCC sometime in October - is the last thing the GSEs have heard, according to agency representatives."

So, good news for us all, right?  But later that day I got an email from a loan officer that sent me a message she got from Wells Fargo, essentially stating that if she wanted to send loans to Wells Fargo, she had to use an AMC.

"As our industry evolves and new requirements unfold, Wells Fargo Wholesale Lending is committed to working with our clients to institute necessary changes that will restore confidence, maintain integrity, ensure fair and responsible lending and help sustain the mortgage lending business long term.
As we look ahead, one such potential change stems from the Home Value Protection Code, regarding procurement of appraisals. There is uncertainty around timing and the ultimate requirements that may result from the code, and we are diligently working to clarify those issues. Preparing now will help ensure a smooth transition for all of us later.
In anticipation of these changes, the preferred process we are establishing allows you to request appraisals through RESdirectSM who will order appraisals from one of four approved Appraisal Management Companies (AMC) that you select: Rels Valuation, LSI®, MDA Lending SolutionsSM or Fiserv®. To use this process, you must have an account with RESdirect and your selected AMC(s)."

It also goes on to say that you can use your own appraiser, BUT:

"On and after Jan. 5, 2009, if you register a conventional conforming or non-conforming loan but do not obtain an appraisal through RESdirect using an approved AMC, we will accept the appraisal outside of this preferred process, however, we will require an additional review at your cost to verify the adequacy of the collateral value. The cost of the additional review will range from $265.00 to $315.00. The additional collateral review will be ordered through our current established process."


So feel free to use your own appraiser, but be prepared to explain to your borrower why they are paying an extra $300 to have someone review that appraisal.  The great part, of course is the review appraiser will get paid, what, maybe $120 for the review?  So the AMC makes $150 - $180. 

So the AMC's are making a big push to use fear and uncertainty to get this done regardless of whether it will actually happen, and whether or not it is even legal.  I think it is important to let all of your customers know that this is NOT a done deal by any stretch, and that they should not make any plans at this point to set up an account with an AMC.  We desperately need to PUSH BACK!!!!  Let your clients know that until the new administration is in place and FHFA has had time to review the HVCC and determine if it is enforceable, they should be "business as normal", and relying on you as opposed to some appraiser they don't know who is willing to do work for half price (with less quality) and push values for the AMC so as not to get kicked off of their list. 

I've been staying in touch with all of my clients on this issue, and have not lost one yet.  And I have no intention of doing so.  If the HVCC goes through, I may go down in flames but not without a fight.  Maybe some appraisers are willing to do 5-10 hours worth of work for 1/2 price so that someone who does 15 minutes worth of work can make the other half, but that is not me.  We need to continue to fight this!

 
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19 Comments on Update on the HVCC and the AMC's push for business

NOV
21
2008

I agree - the news out there is so conflicting.  None of the lenders that I deal with seem to be taking this seriously, and it seems rightly so!  There was a big shake up about this past April-ish when it was implemented - and it basically has fallen to the back burner.  And it seems that you cannot get any straight answers! 

Alhtough - I do feel that larger banks are leaning toward AMCs now, regardless if this is past or not - it eases their burden and since the cost is the same to them, why not!  They dont have deal with QA issues, appraisers, or the extra staff to handle it all. 

11:40am • #1
NOV
22
2008

Wells Fargo Wholesale is on the verge of going under.........

aint gonna matter.

dont let these institutions push you around.

diversify.

all you need is "x" appraisal orders a week.

Dont sell out to the AMCs........you know and i know they are gonna fail miserably.

APPRAISERS HAVE TO UNITE!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

WFB Wholesale is History
2:36pm • #2
DEC
01
2008

I got the same notice from my clients.  I have been telling my clients that using Mercury from Alamode will let them continue using me and staying complaint with HVCC. Turns out it wont now I really look bad. Nobody at Alamode will respond to the Wells Fargo notice. It is not just Wells Fargo, all are doing this. We can "unite" "hold our ground" but no matter what, in 2009 we will have to work with an AMC or go out of business. Problem working for an AMC may result in me going out of business. There will be no way to get work without and AMC this coming year.

Mercury will not, as promised, let me keep my clients.  

Good reason to worry
9:18pm • #3

I never got the impression that Mercury was going to let you keep your clients - it was really just an AMC that we were familiar with, since we use their software.  So the fees would be low, kind of like Appraisal Port.  The problem I had with AlaMode's push to get you to get your clients to use them was the same as AppPort, or any other - I essentially lose all my clients, as the orders that normally come to me now get spread around to other Mercury members in my area.  And that just doesn't work for me. 

I've launched an all-out campaign with my clients and any potential new business that I'm developing to make sure that they are aware that they are NOT required to do anything at this point. 
And I have let them know that IF that time comes:
   (a) I have already researched all of the options and will be happy to go over what they should do,
   (b) that a changeover, if and when it is required, can be done in a very short period of time     (including signing up and training the staff), and that I can assist with that process, and
   (c) that I will be a continuing resource to them as they migrate to an AMC model, as well as any other services I can provide for them or their clients. 

There isn't much I can do when Wells Fargo says that anyone that wants to send a loan through them has to use an AMC. But what I can do is let my LO's know that I am doing a lot of work for lender "x" that does not require them to use an AMC.  I've got good enough relationships with my LO's that I'm confident that a few will switch to different lenders instead of Wells Fargo (or at least send a few loans both ways), and others will at least protest that requirement with Wells Fargo. 
But I will keep looking for clients that use other companies that do not require an AMC, and continue to educate the LO's in my area.

Mike Lay
9:38pm • #4
DEC
05
2008

Mike, thank you for keeping us updated. In my world atleast AMC's, which are springing up fast, are still out there marketing to lenders with the HVCC as their main arsenal. Heck even ala mode, our supplier is doing it, while trying to scare the pants off us to buy more of their product. It is important for us, the Independent Appraisers to inform our clients about where the HVCC issue now stands. Most lenders understand that quality will be sacrificed if they switch over to an AMC. Yet the AMC's have been marketing fiercely with the its inevitable approach and you might as well switch to us already. I've had several lenders ask me to sign up with AMC's.  The biggest reason I went out on my own was quality issues. Appraisal is an important funtion in the lending process requiring diligence. Under the time and cost restraints of an AMC I do NOT believe I can produce the same quality of work and have the same quality of life ( I do have a life besides appraisal) with my family.

So I guess we wait till October to find out if there will be a revised HVCC. Hopefully by then all these AMC's that came out of nowhere will return home. I too will continue to seek out clients th do not require an AMC and educate LO's in my area.

9:24am • #5
DEC
08
2008

Mike, I have many of the same concerns as you.  Wells Fargo has decided to go ahead with the AMC "thing" ahead of any deadlines.  Why not? RELS Valuation (one of the four selected AMC's) is owned by them.  They are going to get their slice of the appraisal pie, and they could care less about the consumer or the appraiser.  The AMC's are going to take about 40% of the fee, and who will be taking the responsibility for the appraisal report? The appraiser will!  This is madness!  Experience means nothing!  Does the consumer have any idea that the biggest purchase in their life will be based on who will do the appraisal for the cheapest fee?  That's what they are going to get.  Unless we appraisers get it together, and I mean ALL of us, and put an end to this we will be circling the drain within a year.

Steve (36 Years In Appraising)
6:40pm • #6
DEC
16
2008

In reading the Code of Conduct I noticed wording that exempted "government-insured" loans. This of course means VA and FHA. VA assigns the appraisers themselves so they are not affected. But what about FHA loans? Lenders order those directly. Does anyone know how the Code will affect FHA appraisals?

Harry Davis
2:39pm • #7

Harry, it is my understanding that FHA appraisals will not be affected directly by the HVCC.  FHA loans are all I get from BofA, specifically because I had a good loan officer that went to work over there and that was all he could still send me.  Still, I think that a good AMC salesperson would be making the case to prospects that they should order all of their appraisals through them, including FHA, so I think there is always reason for concern.  As Andy Grove of Intel famously said, "only the paranoid survive..."

Mike Lay
2:49pm • #8

Thanks Mike.

I think I will encourage my clients not to use an AMC for their FHA requests, since the Code exempts those. Looking over the Wells Fargo info sheet to mortgage brokers about AMCs (which I came across in an Ann O'Rourke email) we can all make a good case for that because we can meet or beat their fees. We should remind clients also that, in most cases, they are not REQUIRED

I for one refuse to do an FHA (or anything else) for half price or less.

Harry Davis
6:18pm • #9

Thanks Mike.

I think I will encourage my clients not to use an AMC for their FHA requests, since the Code exempts those. Looking over the Wells Fargo info sheet to mortgage brokers about AMCs (which I came across in an Ann O'Rourke email) we can all make a good case for that because we can meet or beat their fees. We should remind clients also that, in most cases, they are not REQUIRED to use

I for one refuse to do an FHA (or anything else) for half price or less.

Harry Davis
6:18pm • #10

Thanks Mike.

I think I will encourage my clients not to use an AMC for their FHA requests, since the Code exempts those. Looking over the Wells Fargo info sheet to mortgage brokers about AMCs (which I came across in an Ann O'Rourke email) we can all make a good case for that because we can meet or beat their fees. We should remind clients also that, in most cases, they are not REQUIRED to

I for one refuse to do an FHA (or anything else) for half price or less.

Harry Davis
6:18pm • #11

Thanks Mike.

I think I will encourage my clients not to use an AMC for their FHA requests, since the Code exempts those. Looking over the Wells Fargo info sheet to mortgage brokers about AMCs (which I came across in an Ann O'Rourke email) we can all make a good case for that because we can meet or beat their fees. We should remind clients also that, in most cases, they are not REQUIRED to use any particular

I for one refuse to do an FHA (or anything else) for half price or less.

Harry Davis
6:18pm • #12

Thanks Mike.

I think I will encourage my clients not to use an AMC for their FHA requests, since the Code exempts those. Looking over the Wells Fargo info sheet to mortgage brokers about AMCs (which I came across in an Ann O'Rourke email) we can all make a good case for that because we can meet or beat their fees. We should remind clients also that, in most cases, they are not REQUIRED to use any

I for one refuse to do an FHA (or anything else) for half price or less.

Harry Davis
6:18pm • #13

 

(got timed out, so pls. excuse the repeat)

Thanks Mike.

I think I will encourage my clients not to use an AMC for their FHA requests, since the Code exempts those. Looking over the Wells Fargo info sheet to mortgage brokers about AMCs (which I came across in an Ann O'Rourke email) we can all make a good case for that because we can meet or beat their fees.

We should remind clients also that, in most cases, unless specifically contracted to do so (which is rare) they are not REQUIRED to use any particular AMC or REQUIRED to order an FHA through one.

I for one refuse to do an FHA (or anything else) for half price or less.

Harry Davis
6:23pm • #14
APR
27
2009

would it surprise anyone that mr. Cuomo was on the board of an amc called "amco" which was purchased by valuation services llc just 6 months prior to the introduction of the HVCC.

mister d
1:36am • #15
APR
29
2009

In the 34 years I have been doing this business, I have never seen such a cluster of circumstances that absolutely nobody seemed to understand or be able to get a defined answer as to how this is going to work.  The only common answer that everyone seems to be in agreement on is that  FHA/VA insured loans are not required to use an AMC to order their appraisals.  Even today which is 04/29/09, there is a never ending amount of confusion as to whether these new regulations are even going into effect for another year...

The AMC's which are springing up faster that dandelions on a springtime lawn are hammering us with fear tactics to get us to sign up with their organizations.  I get 2 or 3 solisitation emails a day to get onboard with different groups and they all want $200 to $300 to get on their list promising loads of work for full fees.  I am not ususally a skeptic but I am not feeling to great about this whole mess.

Very concerned in Colorado.  Bottom line is this is going to be very bad for the consumer.  They think the real estate industry is bad now, give the HVCC time to work and it will really go all the way down the crapper.

Mike Bilbo
6:31pm • #16
MAY
05
2009

Well, it went into affect.  I am hearing that lenders doing FHA loans are going to start asking for them to be ordered through the AMC's as well.  I am hearing reports of lenders losing orders, and very poor communication from lenders to appraisers....what a mess!  I do not give it more than 6 months though.

6:42pm • #17
NOV
09
2009

Appraisers are holding on by a thread, waiting for the Senate to dissolve HVCC.  If it doesn't, many of them will be leaving the industry.  Aside from the greed factor, there's no way for an appraiser to remain independent with the AMC's breathing down our throats.

4:18pm • #18
NOV
15
2009

Hi Mike, I'd like to remind you to contact your Senators, and advise them how negative HVCC has been on your business.  The Consumer Finance Act of 2009 is being discuss in the Senate, and it contains an amendment that would eliminate HVCC.  This may be the last chance to reverse it.  Thanks for your support!

8:59pm • #19

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