I saw many recent articles speculating about what Google was going to change and what really bothers me is that no one actually read what Google had to say about the subject. There were some major changes and I just posted an article about what specifically Google is changing, please read that article first so you can understand what SearchWiki actually is. 

But the Inman article is just wrong. 

 

Why?

 

Goodbye to Google ranking

 

Well for starters the title is entirely misleading. Nothing has been done to change PageRank. Will they change this? Of course. Everyone in the SEO business knows that Google is constantly tinkering and trying to improve results. But no one would go so far as to say that PageRank is a thing of the past. Well no one so far...

 

I am speculating and I admit this but I am almost positive that the original person in question confused the new SearchWiki with changes being made to Google's search engine. Why do I say this? Because it just makes more sense.

 

First lets go to the actual source instead of speculating on someone else's speculations. 

 

Behavior Based Search

He provided a specific example of a search for "java". Some are looking for programming, some are looking for the beverage, and some are looking for travel information. Theoretically, personal search will know that and provide results accordingly.”

 

This is exactly what the Searchwiki does. It lets you sort the results and save them so when you search later you don't get conflicting results. Would Google tailor the results on its own search engine? Possibly, but it wouldn't affect how your website is found. Instead it would only help you in ranking. Instead of competing with websites that aren't similar results would be returned that are more specific to what the user was searching for. In Real Estate terms this might mean taking out national sites and providing more local results, thus less competition for you and even better results for the end user.


Intent-based Search

Google has been looking up your IP and revising results based on IP. They know where you're located and can make assumptions about the intent of your search. As you get more into intent-based search, it's going to change the way pages rank”


Google has looked at your IP address and returned results accordingly for a long time. This is not news. I don't know why it is being presented this way. Of course intent is important. Thats what Google has been trying to go after from the start. What you are intending to search for should be the same as what your results return in the search you perform. Duh!


"Ranking is dead, says Bruce”


WRONG


I don't know where Bruce Clay got this information from but it certainly is not Google. I am pretty sure his intent was to say something radical, basically for his own self-serving purposes and it seemed to work. There is absolutely no way that Google is killing PageRank off anytime soon or if ever. Sure Google will reformulate how PR is determined but it cant possibly kill it off. If it did then whoever made a website previous to this would forever be in the top results and whoever makes a new website would forever not be found. This doesn't even sound right. Google has always rewarded websites with a longer history than newer websites. Why would this suddenly change now? Also backlinks are important, will they be forever? Probably. How else can you determine how important a site is if its not “rated” by other users by linking to it (SearchWiki if the data is ever incorporated will only ever have a slight weight). Will this change? Of course. Some people have noted that Google is discounting older links, such as older blog posts and only counting newer ones. What does this mean for you and your site? You have to constantly work on it! You cant be lazy. If you did SEO work in the past, don't quit now!

 

“"ranking is dead, and traffic is all that matters."

Wrong again. Google already has analytics data to know how much traffic your site is getting in comparison to other sites. If Google started ranking by solely weighing on traffic, the winner would be whoever has the most money to pay for traffic. This could easily be manipulated as well. You could hire out people to surf your site. Bots could be written to fake surf. In fact this is just not true. Again there is absolutely no evidence for this. Also note that this completely contradicts the Inman article. Bruce says traffic matters, the Inman article says conversion matters. Umm, Houston we have a problem. Both are wrong in that neither has much to do with how or if ever your site will be ranked.


Universal Search

If you don't have video and your competition does, Bruce thinks we're going to see a big shift in rankings. He thinks if the top ten sites don't have video, they may lose their ranking over night”


Wrong again. What Bruce is speculating is that your site would be ranked higher simply because it has video? Does that even make sense. So one night the results are turned upside down because of the lack of video then overnight everyone adds video to their sites and it goes back to normal. This doesn't sound well thought out and obviously is not true. Google has ranked sites that use video higher for a long time. You do get a slight bump. A slight bump in the rankings. Will this change? Probably not.


So what did change with video?


GAUDI: Google Audio Indexing

 

What is Google Audio Indexing?

 

Google Audio Indexing is a new technology from Google that allows users to better search and watch videos from various YouTube channels. It uses speech technology to find spoken words inside videos and lets the user jump to the right portion of the video where these words are spoken.


What GAUDI means is someone wrote a program to write speech to text and then let Google index the results. Will this affect search results? It might improve your ranking slightly by letting Google index the information more quickly and possibly act as a meta description of some sorts. Currently they know a video is there but have no idea what the content of the video is other than the title and any other tags you add. So yes this might improve the results and give a slight advantage to those who put video on their site but as I pointed out in my other article if Google were to attribute as much weight to this as Bruce Clay is suggesting “He thinks if the top ten sites don't have video, they may lose their ranking over night” then every site would just add video and we would be back to 0. This does not sound like Google one bit. It makes little or no sense. Again this sounds more like creating a scandal for your own purposes rather than legitimate news, especially when Google's own blog basically refutes this.


“There's no question that if everything Bruce talked about comes true, the SEO world will be turned on its ear.”


Well no doubt it would. But none of it is true. There is no evidence for anything that he is proposing. Instead it simply looks like he was describing the functions of some of these new tools that Google has unveiled.


As to the article on Inman.

 

The days of Googling your keywords to measure the effectiveness of your SEO strategy are coming to an end.”

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I don't see this anywhere in the original article. This seems to be further speculation at best and a misrepresentation of what the SearchWiki actually does. As I pointed out in my other article there is no proof that Google is changing their search engine at the moment to include individualized searching. There is no reason why key words wouldn't work. Of course you cant see what individual people are searching for and where they go. You cant now and you wont be able to probably ever. Even if a person changes their own searches that doesn't mean it will have any effect on how your website shows up in normal results.


Google will be tuning into the specific behaviors of individual users to serve up more customized results.”


Again this is just not true. The Ars article even saysWe're not sure whether Google plans to incorporate user feedback from SearchWiki into its normal search results, or whether the company simply planned to consider the extra data when determining the relevance of its own rankings.”

Stop misrepresenting what is actually going on. Even if Google does incorporate these and of course they will, that doesn't mean they will put more weight on this over anything else they currently do. Its more likely they will put some weight but probably not a lot. Why? Because it is too easily manipulated. Igoogle accounts could be created and then manipulate the results of a search and send this data in. I am sure there would be hundreds of other ways to do this as well. So as usual Google might change their algorithm but is that news? I don't think so. Especially since we are talking a slight change at best.


More individualized search results means higher conversion rates for companies that have a well built website.”


Umm? That doesn't even make sense. Of course well built sites will have higher conversion rates, or in theory they should, but thats not what SearchWiki does. Nothing has changed. If a person searches now and your site comes up and they go to it or they don't, that is no different than if they sorted out their own results and either moved yours up or down or removed it entirely from their results. How does that affect conversion? That means your site was either effective or not in attracting them but that changes absolutely nothing between then or now. I don't know if I explained that well enough but I think you catch my drift. If you don't turn up in search results you will never be found. Google is not changing that. If you do turn up and whether they go to your site or not changes nothing as well. Can Google even tell if you convert? NO. They have no way of knowing this. Can they tell if you got a phone call? No. This is just really bad speculation and completely ignores how this works and why it works the way it does.


It forces website owners and SEO professionals to take a closer look of what traffic is actually DOING when it gets to your website.”


No it does not. If someone rates your site poorly or removes it from their own results, well you lost a potential customer there. But you would have already lost them even before this new system! They just wouldn't go to your site! This happens all the time. If you search for something statistics show a huge percentage goes to the first result and a smaller portion to the second and thats about it. If you aren't in the top results you probably aren't getting much traffic to begin with. This new search method would do nothing to affect this.


I am very disappointed that so many people read these articles and came away with all the wrong conclusions. I hope you can see how Bruce was wrong to begin with and how through a series of unfortunate events somehow became true. It is clearly not. Do not stop doing what you are doing now. Good organic SEO will probably always work. By its very nature it works because you are not manipulating anything other than trying to work on the basic model itself: A person opens up Google and searches using key words and websites are returned as a result based on these key words” By working with Google to improve the results, thats what organic SEO is all about! Nothing is changing that way. Will it someday? Maybe, but why would Google ever walk away from this model?

I guess nothing has changed in the way of media. Good headlines make good traffic, regardless of whether the information is true or not. I just hope enough people read this compared to how many are probably calling their SEO person, scrambling to make changes for no reason.

 

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69 Comments on Google Changed But the Inman Article is Wrong—Must Read

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A very thoughtful post, and I really appreciate you taking the time to go through all of this.    I learned a lot.

1:26pm • #1
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No problem. I originally was going to write a few articles about the changes but then too many people jumped the gun and started speculating about what the changes might be without waiting a few hours for them to be announced. You can clearly see what the intention of these changes are and what effect they will have.

1:32pm • #2
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You obviously are very bright and up to speed on google and analysis. I thank you for some very good direction. This was one tough read but well worth it for me.

1:46pm • #3
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Sorry there werent any pretty pictures or anything fancy here. Just plain old information. I guess I am more into digging in and feeling full than a fluffy, pretty light dinner.

Thanks for the input and hope I didnt bore you too much!

1:50pm • #4
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Solid information that can help our bottom line is hardly ever boring. If one would consider that boring then I will kick their butt on goggle and thus, more business for me!!! Thanks.

FYI, I just checked "akron ohio homes" and "akron ohio homes for sale"and I had two spots on the first page. One was my home site, davidc.com, and the other was an AR post. I really do not know how I did it as I am not that bright, but I have worked a year on key search words and blogging on AR. That is why I found your article fascinating, I need the help. Thank you, David 

2:10pm • #5
197,943 Points Outside Blog

Hello Shane, nice post.  We're almost neighbors!  I worked at Harley Davidson in Milwaukee for a year so I'm very familar with Wisconsin.  Keep up the good work!

3:40pm • #6
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Greg thats cool. I am glad you liked the article. Its good to meet people on here.

4:16pm • #7

There is only ONE THING that is factual with Google - they don't tell ANYONE what they're doing and why they're doing it (with some exceptions).

NOBODY "knows" what Google is doing... is planning on doing... is thinking of doing.

You don't know.  Inman doesn't know.  Bruce Clay doesn't know.

So damn many people position themselves as 'experts' on Google, and simply... they are NOT.

You have have whatever theories or assumptions you want.  You can prove it with personal examples if you want. But the reality is, very few people really know what Google does.

Why?  Because if Google tells people their methods for ranking and their algorythms, it only opens things up for people to manipulate search results.  The only way to keep people from manipulating results is to NOT tell them how or why they do certain things.

I don't believe anyone who 'speculates' what Google may or may not be doing.  The fact is, YOU DO NO KNOW. 

 

 

Mark
10:23pm • #8
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Well normally Google announces things in their blogs. So they do tell you. I was trying to point out that they did announce this stuff it just went unreported.

10:42pm • #9
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22
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Thanks for giving folk a good analysis.  I read the Inman headline.  Then followed through and the more I read, the more I realized that nothing with Google had changed any more than it changes on an almost daily basis. 

I've respected Bruce Clay for some years, but this didn't reflect well on him, if I read everything correctly, which is never known when it comes to Google. 

My suspicion is that a few folks picked a few keywords that they knew would make headlines somewhere, "Google, ranking, search, etc." and put together an article that was not only not accurate but quite misleading.

Thanks for detailing the facts.  I'll read them later when I have more time because I can see how much time you invested in the article. 

4:38am • #10

Wow.  So much great info.  I wish I would understand more of it.  But I will bookmark this post and reread it to absorb more.  Thanks.

5:04am • #11
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And the winner of the AR Article of the year award goes to.... Shane O'Gorman. Lots of reading to do in the links you provided and elsewhere, i'll be back. Bookmarked for now. Great Article worthy of a feature. Keep up the good work.

5:18am • #12
270,424 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Greay news I think. Its a constant battle to place up in the rankings. Its seems to be getting more and more complicated. I need to go back to college.

6:15am • #13
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Thanks Shane - you're article is good food for thought. I'll have to come back to read some more to fully grasp the concepts. SEO is not my area of expertise. But Googles main purpose is to help people find information quickly. Bad on those who are trying to game the system.

6:18am • #14
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Even if Google comes out and says a few things about what might be a good thing to do, it doesn't guarantee that they are actually making that a big part of their algorithm. 

Some people follow the patents that Google gets and try to speculate how they might use that in the algorithm.  But it's all speculation. 

I don't know anything about Bruce Clay so I don't know if he is someone to listen to.  There are many "experts" who can tell a good story, but I would pay more attention to the ones who can show you actual results.  And then can reproduce those results for someone else.

In a way, I like how many people take such misinformation as gospel.  It makes them waste time and money chasing useless methods and eventually they get tired of it and give up on the web. 

6:35am • #15
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Yea.....I read that first blog post and had some doubts about it.  Then I consulted with someone who has given me good information on SEO and he felt the way you do.  In addition to that, someone else posted a response that was also similar to yours.  This post was helpful. Thanks.

6:42am • #16
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Just when I knew that I had no idea about google rankings something comes up and confirms it. I have to go back and read all of these again. Good thing a 4 day weekend is coming up.

6:46am • #17
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Thanks for sharing.  I did not realize that google was changing at all. 

6:51am • #18
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We tend to believe everything we read on the internet--not so fast, right?  Thanks for clarifying the issues.

6:55am • #19

Thank you for providing sound, accurate information.  This is a perfect example of leaving the technology to the experts.

Fred Doleac
7:03am • #20
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Hi Shane;

Very important post, great information, thank you for the post.

7:31am • #22
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Shane--Good information presented here. I had seen that headline a few days back and kind of chuckled as it was unbelievable as so many internet headlines are. Didn't have the time to really check into it. Glad you did. Congrats on the feature!

7:53am • #23
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Great post! Gee, just information, imagine that! We do very well with google and we always hesitate when folks tell us how they will change. Seems they make subtle not radical adjustments all the time, anyone who could predict these changes would be very wealthy indeed. Oh, and probably be visited by a hit man shortly....

8:04am • #24
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Wow, Shane - there is a lot for me to go through again.  From what I did absorb first time through let me say THANKS for clarifying!

8:18am • #25
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I read the earlier post and was glad to see this.  I guess the bottom line is "write good content" targeted to YOUR audience, and hopefully google will recognize it.

8:42am • #26
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I am glad that everyone enjoyed the information here. I didnt know that it would be featured so thank you. I guess I was hoping it would because I wanted to fight the misinformation before. I know the other featured article here was just presenting what someone else said. The article was right in that good content is important but you have to be careful when you say Google is changing something when they clearly arent. Its important to know how they are changing and what spefically.

What bothered me the most was that the GAUDI was released on 9-16-08 as far as I can tell so the information about it was out. Also SearchWiki was announced the day that article came out. They could have had this information available. It really seemed to me that they were guessing about how it would work and just got it wrong. I guess thats ok but when people assume its true because someone like that says its true it really spreads around a lot of misinformation. Take Duplicate Content for instance and I bet half of everyone in here has heard of that but I bet only a small percentage know its not true.

8:59am • #27
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Great job Shane. I have known the name Bruce Clay for a couple of years and I believe he is a brilliant man. Like so many brilliant men, and women, he probably expects everyone to understand and comprehend the fullness of his thoughts when he puts them into a few sentences. I seriously hope he did not mean what so many, especially in the real estate industry, have jumped to believe he meant. Like I said Ihave known his name for a couple of years but have been involved in search engine science for longer than there has been a Google. Or Yahoo. Or MSN. Doesn't mean I know everything but it certainly gives me the credibililty to say Shane is more right than most of the people who cut and pasted snippets from the Clay invterview.

9:07am • #28
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Shane,

Thanks for sticking to the facts.  I echo Margaret Woda's sentiments.  You should also be marketing your blog offline.  Search shouldn't be the only marketing tool you use, well, unless maybe your career is SEO:-)

9:07am • #29
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Ken-- Thanks. It just didnt seem right to me and it contradicted what I had read and what other people were saying. I was just trying to clear it up a bit. I am no expert but I appreciate experts commenting.

 

Rebecca-- Exactly. You probably will get more traffic marketing your sites in person and in your materials than you will by Search Engine traffic. That is until you get it up there in the ranks. But they support each other. Its like legs on a table.

9:12am • #30
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Informative post, Shane.  I saw a few posts here on AR yesterday that seemed to have it wrong also.  As far as I can tell these changes will only affect the end user and their input into search results is only seen by them.

9:18am • #31
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great job Shane, I can't keep 1 coherent going that long. I agree that Google wouldn't just scrap their entire system but I fully expect them to keep evolving as the technology becomes available. You don't stay on top of the heap by sitting still

9:37am • #32
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Thats the problem with most everything these days nothing is verified and you can pretty much say what you want to say. If it's printed it must be true right. That why political stuff is so radical no one cares if it's true or not just that it suits their purpose.

9:39am • #33
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Shane,

You obviously spent a lot of time on this post, and being new to most of this information I truly appreciate it.  I intend to bookmark it as I know I will refer back to it at least a few times.Thanks!

9:47am • #34
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I swear ... If I had a penny for every "OMG GOOGLE IS CHANGING EVERYTHING AND THE SKY IS FALLING" post that I read, the current economy would have no effect on me. I would be rich.

Like you said, most of what is happening has already been happening for sometime now ... and it is not THAT big of a deal.

My takeaway ... I have been wanting to do video anyway, maybe I will do more. Other than that ... I will just continue to keep doing the SEO stuff that I know how to do and do what I do BEST: Real Estate.

Thank you for the "reality" post.

10:04am • #35
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Great post and I agree Page Rank is not going anywhere.  It is fundamental in googles strategy.  Univeral Search, well, yeah that is coming.  Not too sure what I think yet on the subject.

10:29am • #36
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Great post Shane, I do wish google would put emphasis on how long users stay on a site, (conversions) clicking links, filling out forms, etc.

10:38am • #37
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Brad and Angela-- I think they want to but its so easily faked its pretty hard to put emphasis on that. Instead why worry about how that affects ranking? I guess to me ranking is about generating traffic its up to you whether people convert. Its also hard to rank conversion when its so subjective for instance if someone likes my site for the weather features and uses it daily but never buys a house is that a conversion?

10:44am • #38

When searching, I have noticed two (2) new icons to the right of each organic result: promote and remove, respectively. Google may be giving the searcher more input on what are deemed valuable results.

11:17am • #39
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I was really glad to read your post this morning.  I have to admit that I was a little concerned after reading the Inman post the other day.  I look forward to hearing more as it becomes available.

11:31am • #40
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I doubt page rank will ever completely go away but it won't surprise me if Google starts placing more importance on other "engagement" type factors that will improve the visitors experience. It would be easy enough for Google to crawl a web page and detect if images, video, flash, etc. exist and add points to the overall score for these things.

What I am most interested in seeing is how Google will rank two sites that are optimized for the exact same search term. Lets say both have lots of great, relevant content and about the same amount of backlinks but site A has video, Flash and other engagement type features. Will Google score site A higher? How about if site A has less backlinks then site B but site A has lots of visitor engagement features. Which will win? Site A with relevant content and user engagement or site B with relevant content, no user engagement and lots of backlinks?

We have already seen sites with user engagement features (ActiveRain, Trulia, etc.) do very will in the search engines.  Of course these types of sites have many other things in place too but no one really knows all the things Google uses to score a website.  I personally would love to see things go in the direction of quality, relevant content first and user engagement second.  It should be about the content and the user experience and not so much on backlinks and pagerank imo.

12:55pm • #41
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Shane - I read the Inman article yesterday, twice...  Thanks for sharing this information with everyone, you have earned a new subscriber!

1:44pm • #42

Thanks for setting the record straight on what is happening with Google.

1:56pm • #43
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I had read the Inman article and was frankly not ready to beieve it, but I also did not have time to do the research and find the correct answers you did. So Thanks for doing my homework and putting my mind at ease!

3:34pm • #45
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I read it on Inman and then here, went to the search last night and did a word doc on where I was placing for Nov 21st 2008, I will keep my eye on it. I know I need to do more videos but it is so time consuming, however, I also know my competitors and will keep an eye on what is happening.

Bottom line, Google is committed to the consumer, the searcher. Google wants to give the best results for whatever a consumer is looking for.

Thanks for a well thought out article.

6:17pm • #46
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I'm so glad you did such a thorough job of explaining this.  I too had read a few posts on the matter.  Glad to get it cleared up.  You really spent some time on your post.  I'm bookmarking so I can come back and finish reading!  Thanks!

7:07pm • #47
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Did not have time to read all that you wrote....but it does not take a rocket scientist to realize that I can get on a Google search multiple times in a top 10 search with ease.....without spending a dime.

7:49pm • #48
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Shane, each of us needs to read the story and see what it says. You are right on as I thought the same thing as you did. I do not have videos and not sure it would help buyers and sellers. I do have hundreds of photos that I am sure have helped me. Nice thoughful blog.

8:38pm • #49
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Thanks, Shane. I read a post about keywords going away and frankly I have been puzzling over it ever since. I'm thinking, "So what happens when someone types in a keyword on google?" They will still go to your website if you reference it, right? Of course there may be a million others vying for that spot but somehow it will still be assigning rank with keyword searches. I'm ging to have to come back and read this again. It's very detailed and informative.

10:37pm • #50
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Shane - I don't and doubt that I ever will understand all this stuff but really appreciate your explanation in refuting another opinion that could be confusing and misleading.

10:40pm • #51
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Wow !  This is a powerful blog post.  Thanks !  I am not an expert on the whole SEO "thing".  I did read the articles about the "changes" coming and was a little alarmed.  I told my wife Stephanie immeidately "we have to do video ! ".  What you say here makes a lot of sense... so thank you : )

8:00am • #52
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I am certainly glad I read your explanation prior to calling my website provider. You are right in the fact that we all live and die by our page rank, but we all know that it changes constantly. Let's just hope hard work and original content are king or our Activerain posts could fall real quick.

Todd Clark, Helping Families Home - www.IFoundYourNewHome.com

8:07am • #53
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All of this "stuff" is over my head, but I am glad there are people like you that can "splain" it!

Thanks! Now I can sleep at night knowing my google juice is safe!

Debbie

8:17am • #54
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Thank you for this post.  I have been concerned and confused about what it all means.

10:24am • #55
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Read the Matt Cutts interview from http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/11/18/what-googles-matt-cutts-sees-in-2009, which is very consistent with what Bruce Clay was saying.  Matt Cutts is the Google web guy so when he says things are going to change in 2009, then it's time to listen.

From the interview...

Cutts said, "I'm not sure I would say ranking is dead but it's not as important as it used to be. The fact is the smart SEOs are not just necessarily looking at the rankings. They are looking at conversion, they are looking at their server log. It's great if you're ranking for a phrase but unless that leads to sales that doesn't help you very much."

I think Missy has the right idea.  Keep a notes log and monitor how your placement changes over the next few months.  Then adapt and make changes where needed.

11:41am • #56
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Shane, I feel better. I had read someone's blog about the demise of rankings. So it just reminds me that I can't believe everything I read on the internet. How interesting!

12:09pm • #57

thanks for the clarification Shane. I will subscribe to your Blog!

1:09pm • #58
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Misty-- I think one thing that Google has and will always try to do is de-emphasize page rank in an effort to try to discourage black hat SEO and SEO work to begin with. They dont want people to artificially manipulate the search engines. If anything it should strictly be based on whomevers website provideds the best logical content and that website should rank first, with best to worse in a logical order for whatever subject the site pertains to in relation to what the person searched for. When we do SEO work we are trying to artificially manipulate this while Google is naturally trying to discourage this. You can tell because large national real estate sites, for instance, rank well locally because they have the resources to do this, but often times these sites are terrible in actually providing good content and being useful. Google doesnt want this and neither do we. I dont like competing with national sites. This is another reason why they want to discount links for instance because its so easy to manipulate this and its one of the primary reasons why national sites do so well. Basically whoever pays the most gets the most traffic and thus gets linked to the most, it basically creates a terrible trend.

I also think SEO companies are looking at the conversion because they probably have already done everything possible to try to increase traffic. Once you have done this theres nothing left to do other than create better content. But its cyclical in nature. You should have created good content first and then worry about traffic. Traffic naturally comes to those with good content. Word of mouth etc spreads and a site becomes viral in this sense. I am sure you have witnessed this when you hear of a new exciting site and how quickly it becomes popular. Its why I was thinking this week how I really need to go back to my site and fill in my pages and make it more robust. I dont want filler per-se but I do need more content and better content as well.

2:12pm • #59
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Shane:

Great post; Inman was probably just trying to get traffic with a "slighly misleading" title. Imagine that!

I'd add only one thought: Page traffic is MEANINGLESS. What matters is the PERCENTAGE of traffic that REALTORS turn into deals. So a page with 100 visitors who inquire and become 2 deals is WAY better than a site with 100,000 visitors, 20 inquiries and NON become deals.

SEO is really a silly issue - because everybody spends their money on the FRONT end and nobody focuses on turning the inquiries into deals. From our research - four years of leads management launches for more tha 1000 companies - we know that 88% of  web leads are abandoned by the agent within 30 days; and 92% within 3 days. Makes you wonder who cares if they really get hits; they don't treat them well enough to become deals.

Kepe up the good posts!

- Matthew

2:21pm • #60
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Hey Shane - well said in your recent comment

"If anything it should strictly be based on whomevers website provideds the best logical content and that website should rank first, with best to worse in a logical order for whatever subject the site pertains to in relation to what the person searched for." 

I agree with that statement 100%.  I would love to see quality, relevant content take a front seat to backlinks.

I also just read another article that claims bounce rates may have an overall affect on how a site ranks.  Not sure if this is true, but if so it will be more important for people to pay very close attention to their bounce rates.  If a website/page has relevant, quality content then the bounce rate should hopefully be low.

2:50pm • #61
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Wow Matthew I just read your comment.  "88% of  web leads are abandoned by the agent within 30 days; and 92% within 3 days"

That's crazy!

2:54pm • #62
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Why would agents not follow up? That seems pointless to have a site and not go after the leads.

 

I wonder about bounce rates though. Its so deceptive. You could have a high bounce rate or even ruin someone elses by just going there and backing out. You could also quite easily trick the Google bot if you wrote a basic script that just tricked it and showed a 0 bounce rate. I saw someone else make that statement in response to that notion and I have to agree that it would be easy to do.

One thing I was thinking about today after a completely or seemingly unrelated topic is the notion of static resources on our planet. If there are finite resources according to our rapid economic growth at some point it must be completely stopped. That is nations must adopt a 0 growth rate to stop the destruction of the earth. This puts an unfair advantage to the US of course since it is the farthest ahead and would make it unfair to those who are behind now because they could never and will never compete. The more we gobble up resources and continue rapid expansion the more this gap increases. Basically no matter what it wont stop and it wont help to stop either. Also to note capitalism cant incorporate this into its model.

Ok now how this relates to websites and real estate? LOL

Well, we obviously have a plethora (overabundance) of real estate agents, websites etc. All trying to compete for a finite resource (customers) Like the model above the websites who started first have the advantage of having taken a larger swath of the internet in a very abstract way, but if you think of all the pathways (key words) leading to a website, the largest and most expansive sites have the most pathways leading to it. Newer sites butt heads with older, more established sites trying to compete with these key words and phrases. It basically becomes an impossible battle in some areas. Even if they were to stop competing they have already consumed so much that there isnt much left. Even using long tail for instance to go after the least competitive words still only produces so much. These new sites are simply left on their own to die. The only chance to breathe life in them is to produce content which unlike the model above is possible. Our earth cant just create more oil for instance or at least not in thousands of years.

4:02pm • #63
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Okay Shane you lost me now :).  I have the same concerns as you with bounce rates being added to equation.  Its kind of scary.  If your interested, you can read the article I was talking about from http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/11/21/is-bounce-rate-a-google-ranking-factor

4:45pm • #64

Very informative article...I need to get better versed in SEO & this is a good start!

Best, Dan

5:00pm • #65
NOV
24

Great post Shane.

One thing that should be noted.  This wasn't really an "Inman Article". It was a contribution by an Inman community member (NOT an Inman writer/employee).

Someone commented along the lines of "Inman created a sensational title to drive traffic". As this wasn't an actual article by Inman, I don't think that's a fair statement.

If an ActiveRain member writes a post with a sensational title, is it fair to say "Active Rain did it for traffic"?

The "article" on Inman is one commuinty member's interpretation of something she read. Nothing more, nothing less.

Jay Thompson
1:48pm • #66
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That is true but featuring it means there is some support there. I agree that its not Inman's article and I guess I wasn't trying to imply that. I was hoping that they would try to clear this up. I have been reading even more about this and I just can't believe the SearchWiki is being overlooked and how badly its being misinterpreted.

1:53pm • #67
NOV
26
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Shane, Thanks for the thoughtful and thought provoking article! there's lots to think about and digest here. Sounds like having good, relevant content is still a very smart thing to do!

7:38am • #68
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16
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Very interesting article and your answers/comments certainly seem relevant and maybe even correct. However, I guess I remain skeptical about just who knows what about Google and what Google is REALLY doing. Whatever it is, I like it. ;-)

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