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BRYANT TUTAS ASKED:

  • 'Lenn, I wonder how much it would cost to write down all mortgages to market value? And it would have to be all whether they are delinquemn or not or it wouldn't work. Let's say a max of 95% of true value. Any idea?"

GOOD QUESTION BROKER BRYANT AND ONE I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT A LOT.

How much it will cost depends on how it would be done.  Selective write-downs at the hands of the mortgage companies is hardly fair.  Actually, I'm not sure the amount is as important as the formula for a government guarantee of payback by the mortgagor to the mortgagee.  A government backed mortgage insurance plan similar to the FHA loans or guarantee would be one idea.  Not something designed by the fools in Congress or HUD or Fannie Mae or Treasury.  

NO WINNERS OR LOSERS.  I'm thinking of a plan designed to insure the banks from loses from ALL defaulting insured loans and not picking and choosing the winners and losers.  To work, the plan would ahve to be universal and comprehensive.  However, what it would do is put all American home owners on an even scale and bring back the real estate industry, meaning purchase and sale of real estate, essential to the financial health of the US economy.   

By wiping out the artificial appreciations (2004-2005) that are now financed and defaulting left and right, folks who need to sell would be able to sell and folks who wanted to buy would be able to buy at affordable prices for home owner listings and not just foreclosures and short sales.  We could end the short sale and foreclosure boom and replace it with new real estate market driven activity.

NOT ALL HOME OWNERS DEFAULT.  MOST MAKE THEIR PAYMENTS.  However, the payments are causing the financial bankruptcy of a huge percentage of American families.  Once the mortgages were written down to an amount or percentage based on assessed value, or market value, the government would only have to insure the home owners that defaulted.  Surely not all home owners would default.  In fact, only about 10% would default based on defaults in the past for unemployment, etc. 

I'm not sure what the average write-down would cost, but I would estimate about $150,000 averaging loss of market value across the country.  Based on reported reduction of median home values it could be significantly less.  However, If 10,000,000 home owners defaulted, that would cost the treasury ONLY about $1,500,000,000,000.  $1.5Trillion.  It is surely a better formula for recovery than selective bank write-downs by foreclosure and short sales.  The government would have to insure the bank write-downs of only the defaults, which are going to happen anyway. 

CONGRESS HAD A WAY OUT AND REJECTED IT.  Don't forget.  The market value of the homes has already been written down, by the market.  It is the mortgages that are still out of line with the market value.  When a home owner owes $50,000 or $150,000 or $250,000 MORE than market value, that home owner is held hostage to the house and the mortgage company.  They can't sell.  They can only default and face short sale or foreclosure.  There was a proposal in Congress that bankruptcy judges be given the authority to write down mortgage balances to market value.  Congress didn't pass that one.  No wonder.  Congress considers anything other than a small hand-out to the American tax payer a bad idea.  So, the home owner is limited to loss of everything with no way out of a home that they clearly cannot continue to sacrifice their financial life to support. 

I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.  What they're doing now is going to cost that much and more.  Yet, the American home owner is not benefiting ONE SINGLE DOLLARby bailing out Wall Street.  I can hear a cacophony of outcries from folks who don't believe that anyone should be rewarded for speculation.  Of course they shouldn't.  However, not all home purchases by the American home buyer in the years 2004-2005 were speculation.  On the other hand, ALL SHAREHOLDERS AND CORPORATE EXECURIVES ON WALL STREET that managed the sale of securities for Mortgage Backed Securities were knowingly and deliberately speculating.  Yet, it is the Wall Street investors that are being bailed out and not the American home owner. 

The catastrophe ahead of us is inevitable.  The question is, whom do we protect, the Wall Street crowd that orchestrated this melt-down or the American home owner? 

Don't ignore the needs of the folks below.

Family

 

 
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25 Comments on BROKER BRYANT: YOU ASKED HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST FOR A MASSIVE MORTGAGE WRITE DOWN? LENN IS RAMBLING AGAIN.

NOV
25
2008
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Lenn,

I don't see one specific formula on this...seems like all the banks are different and there isn't any set figures....plus they seem to change daily.

6:21am • #1
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Neal.  I'm looking at the published median house value.  The reductions in median value is a starting point to compute how much it would take. 

6:25am • #2
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All we have is a big mess that runs in a circle. Right about the time you think you've figured out a way to fix, or at least lead us in the direction of fixing things, we realize we've overlooked something, and we're back to square one. Just a big circle that goes round and round.

6:28am • #3
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Lisa.  I'm not sure.  One thing we know for sure is that what the government has done to date, pump Billions into the financial institutions that profitted from the mess is not fair to the American home owner.  I want some help for the tax payer, not the profiteers.

6:31am • #4
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Lenn,

I agree...give some money to the HO and not the big execs and auto industry. They claim to be starving yet I see them flying their jets to eat caviar.

6:34am • #5
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Neal.  The corporate culture has to be cracked wide open.  Once they took public money, they lose all credibility when they continue their profligate spending habits.  They are no longer spending investors' money.  They are spending tax payer's money. 

Since they have clearly demonstrated that they intend to do NOTHING to cure the mortgage mess, the government/meaning the Treasury and the Hill MUST force them to have a modicum of common sense and thrift when spending the tax payer's money. 

I frankly don't believe that they can do it.  The government has sat by silent while executive after executive has profited from their perfidy, they know that they'll get by with most of their spending.

 

6:42am • #6
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Lenn - I agree, the system developed in either the HFH (only 111 aplicants in the first 6 weeks) or TARP does not really benefit the homeowner. I believe that your suggestion is perhaps a starting point that could be brought to the table. But a write down of your proposal would not put all American home owners on an even scale, only those with mortgages and only those with mortgages in potential default. It would help some and hurt others.

However, that being said, at least you are putting some intelligent  thought into the process, unlike those that are effectively trying to put out the fire with gasoline.

6:53am • #7
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Lenn- I agree that we have to get the market back on an even keel and a bailout for some who may not have "qualified' for a loan in the first place leaves those that did holding the bag.  When the market starts it's upswing the buyers who are picking up properties for 150K less than their neighbor move into the black and their neighbor is still in the red.  Does that make any sense?  Five years from now the original owner wants to sell and we have another wave of short sales of foreclosures to deal with as prices will not rise enough to cover that $150K shortfall on their mortgage in that time period. 

7:20am • #8
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Leen, from your lips and fingers to the ears and eyes that really need to see this - OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.  Good grief, how on earth can they not see that throwing good money after bad at the instituitions that profitted and helped create this mess is NOT the way to go??  Does everyone who makes their way to DC lose all smarts and sense of responsibility when they get there?  Where are the moral compasses in all this???

I hope our leaders on THE HILL somehow manage to read your post......  one can only hope.

Ann

7:23am • #9
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Cindy.  You wrote:  150K less than their neighbor move into the black and their neighbor is still in the red. 

The neighbor's property mortgage would have been written down.

I just cannot see how causing a melt down of the financial markets, real estate industry, et al. makes any sense just to make sure that one home owner doesn't benefit over another.  Playing tit of tat isn't working.  Sticking to our phylosophy of not helping folks "who should have known better" isn't working.  Nothing is working. 

I say, write them ALL DOWN and insure the mortgage banks against default which would be a small percentage of all home owners. 

Or, we can just sit by and watch the American home owner go down the drain.

7:25am • #10
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Mike.  If we try to make all home owners equal, nothing is going to work.  I say make the real estate industry viable and the market will take care of the rest.  Stop the foreclosures and short sales and insure the banks against defaults, write down all of the mortgages and let the home owners and buyers and sellers start from a point where the market isn't so out of wack with continued loses in market value but mortgages remain higher than market.

We've got to get mortgages in line with market values.

Of course there will be winners and losers.  Does that mean we do nothing and let the chips fall where they may letting Wall Street bleed us dry?

7:29am • #11
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Ann.  Thanks.  All I can say is "FAT CHANCE".  Folks on the hill only listed to those who can put green stuff in their reelection accounts. 

There is no one, no one speaking for the American home owner who is watching their home value going down and their mortgages rise in the percentage of value. 

7:31am • #12
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The libertarian in me screams no way but you voiced this so logically that I am subscribing to this!  My thoughts are that non owner occupieds and cash outs should NOT benefit from this but then I can see where it won't work if it isn't done across the board!

Another excellent post Lenn, thanks!

7:39am • #13
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Lenn,

Problem is you and Bryant are thinking too logically...Congress won't approve any plan that does not include the funds being filtered through their (Congress) hands!!! Going directly to benefit the consumer...no way! Thanks,   Fran

8:06am • #14
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HI Lenn, great words of wisdom, I like your HardCore Real Estate Talk... perhaps we should make this a petition and email it to ALL of our database and then forward to Congress?  Just my feeble thoughts, I can see it working where as another Bailout for Citibank, or GM or Wall Street will not make the economy recover any faster than a maple drip in January. THE PEOPLE of the USA need to speak as loudly about this as they did about CHANGE with the just past election.

8:31am • #15
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Renee.  The libertarian in me resisted the logic in this for months.  However, as more and more Billions are handed out to the Wall Street gangs, we now know that it's being done to help the investors and there is NOTHING in any of this for home owners. 

The home owners in America as suffering.  Nothing, nothing is being done to help.

Of course, it's probably too late.  All the money is gone.  Another $600,000,000,000 gone to investors this morning.  That one was a real shocker.  I'm not easily shocked. 

8:33am • #16
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Lenn - Banks have gone bankrupt before with out any government intervention. Why bail them out now? It is so ludicrous to bail out Wall Street. Your plan makes really sense, even to the average Joe. Unfortunately, the folks who voted for bail outs in Washington have no common sense. The sad thing is that there is no end in sight and this mess will linger for years to come.

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Petra.  Of course.  To date, from what I heard today, the public has about 4.2 Trillion Dollars into this mess. 

We could have bought out all the upside down mortgages for that.

We've been had. 

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Petra.  Of course.  To date, from what I heard today, the public has about 4.2 Trillion Dollars into this mess. 

We could have bought out all the upside down mortgages for that.

We've been had. 

2:01pm • #19
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Lenn, Short of writing down ALL mortgages everything else will be a short term "fix". The reality is folks are way upside down. I think the recent stat was about 40% of homeowners owe more than their house is worth. This figure of course will continue to rise. At some point 5-7 years these folks WILL have to sell. Job relocation, illness, downsizing or whatever will occur. When this NEED arises they will still be upside down. 

The other solution is to do absolutely nothing. Let the markets play out. It will be brutal and we will slip further into a recession or even a depression BUT we will pull out and we'll be stronger for it. What has to stop is the wasting of all of the tax payers money putting a band aide on a gashing wound. It won't work.  The institutions getting bailed out are still going to fail. It's just a matter of when.

5:11pm • #20
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Bryant. Of course it could work itself out over the years.  But, if anyone thinks that, without more flexible and numerous loan modifications, the short sales and foreclosures will just continue to rise. 

The problem is, even though the government isn't using our money to write down mortgages balances, which I believe would help the home owner, they are still spending the money and it's not going to anything that will solve the problem, the moribound real estate market because of the upside down home owners. 

The bill for this massive bail-out will have to drive our taxes up, cause inflation and other things that are not going to make the recovery any better.

 

5:16pm • #21
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Another great post Lenn - and even though it's not about mortgage fraud, it's about a fraud being perpetrated on the American people so I'm featuring it on the group. I'm still of the mind that almost any kind of mortgage write-down or relief will take way too long, will not go the the right people, and that many of those people (more than 10%) will ultimately default anyway. (Jim Crawford did a great study on that a few days back). I'm still in favor of a stimulus to the 'buy-side' ala NAR. Make that $7,500 credit apply to all and not be paid back and get that interest rate down to 2.9% for a year and 3.9% for another year. IF the banks can be persuaded to lend, the inventory would be absorbed during that time and, while it will not have much impact on reducing foreclosures, maybe banks would see that they're taking a bigger bath by not working with people that by trying to accomodate where possible.

7:28pm • #22
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+ another $200B for consumer debt.  How fun it must be to play with other people's <borrowed> money.

Another thing I have been screaming for is to start handing out deficiency judgments and look into notes for mortgage fraud.  The NOO "investors" would have stopped playing this game LONGGGG ago!

Instead we will bear a huge price tag for the failure and more regulation (that will never be enforced!)

7:54pm • #23
NOV
26
2008
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Last night as I was watching the news (shame on me, I know better) the image of the family in our graphic popped into my head.

I turned off the news and said a silent prayer to families everywhere that are struggling.

5:23am • #24
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Kris.  From your lips to . . . . . .

Renee.  When I think of the Billions, now Trillions given to investment banks, Fannie, Freddie, commercial banks, the very entities that invented the vehicles that defaulted and caused the mortgage mess, sometimes I think I must be dreaming.  It is truly, stranger than fiction.

Gene.  Thanks.  I'll take a feature when and where I can get them. 

The reason I'm advocating massive write-downs of ALL mortgages is because, following my ACTUAL EXPERIENCE showing homes to some buyers for the past month, I came to an awareness that too many home owners are a hostage to their home mortgages BECAUSE the property is mortgaged for about 20% more than the market value.

There is no way of these home owners having any relief for 5-8 years at a normal rate of appreciation. 

  • Lower interest rates don't help if the home will not appraise, so the house will not sell.
  • Lower interest rates don't help if the home cannot be refinance because it will not appraise.

We have about 75Million families trapped in a home on which they owe more than market value.

 

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