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Thieves Breaking Into Houses Through Combo Lockboxes

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Jonathan and Associates, Inc

lockboxesThis morning, I received an email with a story from Detroit where thieves have taken to breaking into homes listed for sale via the combo lockboxes.  I would say that while it may be on the minds of some, I am surprised that safety isn't more of a concern when I'm listing a house.  I suppose that buyers - now turned sellers - are conditioned that their material possessions will be safe during the listing period.  However, that's not the case if the listing agent utilizes combo lockboxes, to which anyone can get the code. 

One of the criminals from Detroit worked for a central call center and had access to thousands of lockbox codes.  However, a criminal doesn't need to work at a clearing house to gain access to such information.  Often times, I have shown a house on combo to find the latch holding the keys was open or the combo was left on the face.  Buyers with dubious intentions could also look through an agent's notes for the combo code or check the lockbox face while the agent is opening the door.  At one home, I found an agent's handout on the kitchen island with the lockbox code written on it. 

Some agent's prefer the combination lockboxes because of the inexpense.  One of the Supra electronic lockboxes from the board of REALTORS costs around $100 while a combo box is no more than $20 from the hardware store.  The security factor with the electonic lockboxes is that the listing agent can run a query to see the last person to access the box.  Should an agent leave a door unlocked, set off the alarm, etc, we know and can take appropriate action. 

lockboxSellers should demand that their agent's not put their safety or their possessions at risk to save a few measly bucks.  After all, when you signed up to sell your house, you didn't sign up to get robbed as well.  Unfortunately, tough times bring out the worst in people and now, more than ever, safety should be among our chief concerns. 


We have committed to our sellers to using the more expensive, but safer lockboxes.  As we near closer to the holidays, I hope that our fellow Charlotte area brokers will commit to doing the same. 

Jonathan Osman

Charlotte NC Homes

Gene Mock
Associate Broker ~ Premier Team, KW Realty - Leesburg, VA
GRI, CRB, CRS, ABR, CIPS, TRC, SFR, SRES

I use the supra lockboxes for all of my listings --- but I know other agents that use the 'combo lockboxes' .

Nov 26, 2008 02:55 AM
Bill Dunn
Elite Realty Group - Paducah, KY

My local board forwarded me an email from Supra that had that same info in it. I hadn't seen this video though.

Nov 26, 2008 02:56 AM
Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

I received an e-mail directly from Supra today. Personally, I think the focus is all wrong.  Sellers should not allow agents to put a home on lock box.  Period.  Even with the best technology, agents with a Suprakey can enter a home unannounced.  When a home is vacant or is staged, and the agent doesn't actually visit the property regularly -then it is hard to determine who let who in and did damage to the house - even if you have a "record" of all electronic entries.

There may be a legitimate reason for putting a home on lock box.  I haven't found too many, however.  I tell my agents that part of their professional fee (i.e. commission) is to be present at any showing.  Not only do they represent the seller, but they are also safeguarding the seller's home.  I have seen (innocent) "mistakes" made by buyer's agents who turn off the oil emergency shut off valve on a home, or flush a toilet when the home has been "winterized".  I've also seen buyer's slip on an icy sidewalk because no one (including the listing agent) took care to ensure that the property was in show condition.

I've also seen instances where an unannounced agent decides to pop in and show the house to their buyers at the same time that I have scheduld a lockbox showing.  Is this fair to my buyers? 

So, I'm afraid I don't feel your pain when I read stories like this, because we accompany all of our showings.  We believe that that is the right thing to do in our marketplace.

Nov 26, 2008 03:17 AM
Jonathan Osman
Jonathan and Associates, Inc - Charlotte, NC
Charlotte House Hunter Group

I know of small market boards where the agent is required to attend and its a pain in the ass.  With the advent of coop's, the mls, and buyer agency; lockboxes have enabled more agents to sell more real estate than without. 

Maybe in a small market you can get away without having a box but not here.  If a criminal wants to get in, they'll get in.  After all, glass is easy to break and doors can be kicked in. However, the point of supra and my blog is that we shouldn't make it any easier for the criminals.

 

Nov 26, 2008 03:22 AM
Wayne Warshawsky
RE/MAX Four Corners - McKinney, TX
Realtor, ABR,IRES,CDPE,SFR Your Texas

Wow being present at all showing would add another 5 hrs to my day.  I have seen it done on million dollar listings in our area but as someone who carries 10-15 listings at all time that is just not realistic.  Independent Brokers who cant afford CSS to get their listings scheduled bug me enough right now. 

In my opinion a home has to be fully vacant in order for me to put a lockbox on it.  If it is staged or has anything of value (or if it is above a certin price point) than it gets a supra.  The Texas Real Estate Comission had a form someone has to sign in order to have a combo lock box on a occupied home.  I have never used it but I have seen agents who take the risk (and probably never use the form)

 

Nov 26, 2008 03:38 AM
Tony and Libby Kelly
Keller Williams Realty Portland Premiere - Lake Oswego, OR
CRS, ABR, ePro, SRES, CLHMS, CDPE

I did not know that about combo boxes!  I use Supra and now I'm extra glad about it. 

Although it would be ideal to show up for every showing, there is just no way.

Nov 26, 2008 04:16 AM
Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

Wow, I never knew that Boston was a small market!!!  I also didn't realize that my company with over 550 offices nationwide is considered to be an independent.  hmm, guess I should have thought about those things before becoming a broker/owner....

Question:  how can you justify your commission to the seller if you are not present at each showing (or have someone from your office who knows the property) and actively pitching the sale?  Do you expect the buyer's agent to be doing that? 

Look at it another way, you probably pay a lot for advertising (if you advertise in the newspaper, then don't even read the rest of this, because you are not going to be in business much longer).  Your advertising "drives" customers to the house - whether through pictures on the MLS or by sending out "just listed cards" or showing your listings on your facebook account.  But you can't "capture" the consumer if you are not there!!!  It's like buying a $150 Kobe beef steak and only eating the fries.  You've got to enjoy the whole experience and maximize the opportunities that your advertising dollar affords you.

Don't tell me it's industry norm.  Be different!!!  Insist upon it, whenever possible.  Then you don't need to do listings for below what you think you are worth.  It's great that you have 10 or 15 listings.  But if you can't work them, you shouldn't have them (this is a broker/owner speaking). Share the wealth with other agents in your office.  pay them to work your listings and attend your showings and open houses. 

What?  You don't do open houses?  Shame on you. Twice.

So now that you've demonstrated to me what you actually do when you get my listing, I'm going to go with Weichert who will commit to do what's right for me - the client, the seller, whomever.  They don't care about getting both sides of the deal - they care about selling the home in the most efficient manner and do what I am paying them to do - "sell" my home.

 

 

Nov 26, 2008 06:25 AM
Jonathan Osman
Jonathan and Associates, Inc - Charlotte, NC
Charlotte House Hunter Group

Thanks for the Wichert commercial Martin.  Please remit $2,000 to my address in my profile for the free ad. 

I agree that its a great way to stand out to the crowd but being present at every showing is a double edged sword.  No buyer wants some agent with commission breath breathing all over them while their looking at a house.  While no one may know more than I about that property, the buyer's agent is whom they've trusted to assist them in their transaction.  While some couldn't sell their way out of a wet paper bag, it is my job to give them enough information to convey to the buyer to make a great decision.  That what has to be done with you have more than a handful of listings. 

...and only 550 offices is small time.

But try to focus on the topic of the blog...which I'm questioning whether or not you even read.  These people didn't break in because of their REALTOR.  They used inside information to access unsafe lockboxes in order to rob listed homes.  I can't figure out why they even needed to do that when my size 12 wides would have done the trick just fine.

Nov 26, 2008 07:12 AM
Brian Griffis
Realty Choice - Springfield, MO

I can see it both ways. I see why lockboxes are nice because they allow access at any time.  On the other hand, I can certainly see why ANYTIME could become a problem.  I was at a board meeting the other day and the group was asked if anyone walked into a house when someone was in bed, taking a shower, naked, etc. Everyone held up their hands. One of the strangest was an agent that was on an office tour with 30 other agents that walked into a house where the woman was taking a shower!  As you mentioned, in this time, security is more important than ever. I would be worried more about personal safety for the homeowner/agent than just simply the material objects inside. For vacant houses, lockboxes I think are great. But, for houses with pricey objects, children, or single women, I definitely see where being there for every showing could be an advantage.

Nov 26, 2008 08:31 AM