If you are feeling a little shameful about how you spent your money in the past, you are not alone. Welcome to the new era of "Luxury Shame".

Bye-bye, bling-bling.

Each year at this time I am reminded of the following sales pitch I used as the former owner of an auto leasing company: "Gee, don't you want to drive up to Christmas dinner in your brand new shiny Mercedes?"

This line was used by me in an effort to avoid the old "I'll just wait until after the first of the year." And it worked well.

Then.

At the end of every year, people who have a successful year often "reward" themselves with a new car. A trophy car, if you will, to let the rest of the world know, too. Justified often by: "I need this for my business image".

During those boom years, luxury quest was out in full force during the holidays. Fueled by credit cards and lines of home equity, some economists referred to this as an era of the "competitive consumer". The average Joe didn't resent the upper class as much as he aspired to BE the upper class.

When a twenty something kid buys a $500 purse instead of paying her rent, you know the train is off the track. You just weren't thinking it would be a train wreck of this magnitude.

I am reminded of other times in my life that this same anti-luxury sentiment settled right into our normally upwardly mobile mind-set.

True story: During my first years in real estate (in the 70's) it was so IN STYLE to be poor that I sewed patches on my jeans even though there were no holes in the jeans (sheesh, we were "hippies" then...).

I made a lot of money my first few years in real estate, being way too stupid and way to young to even know we were in a "downturn". I carefully hid this fact from my friends. You know, my friends who morphed into BMW driving work-a-holics with an insatiable appetite for California real estate only a decade later.

Next came the early 90's when, as the owner of the leasing company, I watched people completely lose their appetite for luxury cars. I ended up driving a succession of 3 Jaguars because NO ONE would be caught dead in a Jaguar. The value of everything luxury simply tanked, and we could not sell those cars to ANYONE.

(Recession or no, I loved those Jaguars...especally the dark charcoal one with the red leather interior. But I digress).

Although separated by a couple of decades, real estate was at a virtual stand still during both of these times when all things luxury were shunned.  Not the free fall we have seen in this market, but it is predictable that when people are suffering, when people lose jobs, lose houses, lose retirement savings?

Luxury seems pretty darn stupid. 

Do you see now why I was able to predict the auto bailout long before it was front page news? 

My question is this: Is the party over? Will we join our depression era parents who never trusted the economy again? Will we forever be waiting for the next big depression that is just around the corner?

Will we ever want to drive a Mercedes again? Live in a McMansion? Go shopping for sport and carry a $500 purse?

And what is to become of our children who spent the first 2 decades of their lives being showered with all the excesses by their baby boomer parents? Parents who also felt guilty because Mommy went to work (when our own Mommies stayed home and cooked)?

Somewhere, deep in our collective sub-consciousness we must know this: There is an opportunity here to re-think what really matters. To bring forth an economic attitude adjustment that will set the tone for the next generation.

To understand what really matters.

Maybe we have maxed out more than just our credit cards. Maybe it will be different this time.

Let's hope so.


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44 Comments on Bye Bye Bling Bling: How Luxury Became a Dirty Word

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It is time to rethink what erally matters.  I'm glad I didn't get caught up in the need bigger and better to impress thing, many did....  Simply things are my biggerst pleasure.  thanks for sharing you did a nicwe job on this post. 

11:13am • #1
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People get too wrapped up in material things.  Charging more than you can pay is ridiculous!  A $1500.00 Prada purse when you can't pay the rent would be totally stupid.  We need to rethink our spending habits. 

11:24am • #2
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Caron: I believe people will have a permanent change of attitude about "things". I think we will look back on those years and ask ourselves..."what were we thinking, anyway?"

I agree with you. There are too many things in this world. Go to any garage sale and you will see what I mean.

And thank you. I am glad you enjoyed this post.

11:29am • #3

We hope it will be different, but I doubt it. We seem to have short-term memory when it comes to our insatiable appetites.

11:31am • #4
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Mary: Although I will not reveal who...the example above about the girl buying the purse who couldn't pay her rent? That really happened.

I had to ask my daughters why carrying a designer purse could be so important! Personally, I don't get it.

However I did notice that when I went out to dinner with my sister one night, people kept stopping her to compliment her on her purse. Her purse!!!!?

Turns out her (then) boyfriend had bought her a designer purse. See how stupid I am? I didn't even know it was a "designer" purse. But everyone under the age of 30 was impressed. LOL

11:32am • #5
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Kevin: I agree we have gone right back to our old spending habits as soon as we get past the crisis. But this one runs so much deeper. It makes me wonder.

I do know one thing for sure: we are not giving up our big cars and trucks because Americans really don't want little bitty cars.

Maybe we will never think of real estate again as something that will appreciate, and something we use for a bank? Only something to live in.

11:36am • #6

Janet - Case in point -- gas prices dropped back down to $1.50 per gallon. How many people are rethinking -- already -- maybe I can keep my big truck just to drive to the office? The seductive nature of our society makes it very easy for us to be manipulated. Who is stearing this ship anyway?

11:44am • #7
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I think many buyers already think of a house as something to live in.  I have some current buyers that would potentially be relocating in a couple of years.  Strongly suggested that they rent.  "We hate renting and we want to buy a house."  We value our own personal space and I think that overrides the market for some people.

I'd like to think that people will get their heads screwed on straight.  I think some people will and some people won't.  The bailouts aren't going to help people learn to take responsibility for their mistakes.  Really that is the bottom line...are you responsible for your own choices...We are making it is too easy to walk away and the consequences aren't particularly severe.  You rent for 4 years and then you are back in the game...

Luxury is only a dirty word when people's suffering is spread across the newspapers on a daily basis.  When that stops, luxury will no longer be a stigma. It would be nice if we could teach our children balance.

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Melina: Very thoughtful comment, and very insightful. Thank you. You are right that the bailouts are teaching a lesson that will not cause anyone to change very much. That "oh well, it isn't my fault and the gov't will bail us all out".

They say there are only 2 things that motivate: pain and pleasure. If our past excesses weren't all that painful, will we change?

I do not think luxury is a dirty word. Everyone should be able to establish their own prioriites. If I choose to work twice as hard, and twice as smart that you....don't be mad at me if I would rather buy a Mercedes than drive a Chevrolet (assuming they have not gone out of business)

I am completely surprised at my own children...of the 3 only one of them lives large...and she can certainly afford it. There is something so grounded about their generation. I always wonder how that happened.

12:12pm • #9
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Kevin: My husband (who runs our leasing company and is a seasoned auto professional) claims people only buy little cars to make a statement about themselves, not because they really want to drive them.

It is a resverse snobbery, but a kind of snobbery just the same. "Look at me I must be rich I drive a Mercedes" is not that far from "Look at me, I drive a Prius, I must be enviromentally correct and very "green"

Just to think people need to "defend" their decision to have a truck!!!!!

12:17pm • #10
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Hi Janet! My answers are this :

Is the party over? Nah, just suspended. 

Will we join our depression era parents who never trusted the economy again? Nope. We have longer lives and shorter memories.

Will we forever be waiting for the next big depression that is just around the corner? Ich's ney! A depression, that's just not possible....is it?

Will we ever want to drive a Mercedes again? Absolutely! There are those of us who live for that! Kinda like our pappy's and Cadillac's!

Live in a McMansion? Sure, why not? There's enough of them out there for sale!

Go shopping for sport and carry a $500 purse? Shopping is a sport isn't it? My mom continues to play! As for the purse - some will!

Sure there are those of us who will learn from this. Some lessons are harder for some of us to learn. We are a nation of excess. Some will say, why stop now......

I too loved those Jags! Lost one in my 1st divorce and vowed never again to get another. But, that car was like a 3rd child to me! The ultimate slap in the face was when the 'evil one' traded it in on a....VOYAGER (and cash) @$@#@%$@&$......Glad to see you!

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Oh Scott, you always write a better comment than the blog itself! What will I ever do with you.

I just loved these answers because they are so true. You just can't teach an old dog new tricks, can you? LOL

Trading in a Jag for a voyager reminds me of one of my lease clients who was getting a divorce. His wife had financed his business truck in her name only (he had bad credit and needed the truck for his trail riding business) She was so evil she was delighting in the fact she could take the truck away from him, sell it, and he would be left truckless and luckless.

 I laughed when he came to see me. Truck was $15,000 upside down! I said go park the truck in her driveway, and I will pick you up in your new truck (I knew I could finance him). He did that. About 2 weeks later the wife came in screaming at me. She finally got the fact that he had just dumped a $15,000 debt on her and considered me at fault! She even dumped a bunch of wedding presents on my desk and told me to shove them up the ....of her X.

See what fun we have in this business??????

2:28pm • #12
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I suppose it takes a recession for folks to begin to save money.  I can't say that I really see anyone saving any money.  Folks who traveled are traveling.  Folks who spend are spending.  I don't know that the recession has changed anything in my sphere. 

I just plunked a bundle down on a new 4Runner.  I could think of 10 ways to justify that purchase.  Fact is, I just don't want to keep vehicles very long these days. 

Not only that, I don't believe that the government should send $15Billion to the Detroit auto manufacturing, I think that they should send $115Billion. 

Fact is, those of us who have savings will probably not change much if anything.  Those with no savings are going to have to work a bit harder. 

We're not buying jewelry or other luxury items but then we never did.  WAIT, that doesn't include Gucci bags. 

Little has changed around here.

2:38pm • #13
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Hi Janet - What gets me is so many of the people who gambled on this latest real estate cycle and lost made those decisions with their eyes wide open, flowing with the "herd mentality" that everything would be okay since everyone else is doing it. It wasn't okay, and now we all pay the price.

This Prius driver, who purchased this vehicle because she's frugal (much better than "cheap", don't you think?) - and so she could go "na na na na NA na" every time she could fill up the car for under $50 when gas prices were over $4 per gallon, then drive it for 10-14 days before filling up again - has always been one who didn't get the luxury mentality. Do we spend? Absolutely! But, always with an eye on the bottom line. We've leased our cars, done a fair amount of traveling, enjoyed some mighty fine dining/wine, but I can't say I'd be able to tell the difference between a designer handbag and the back pack I'm usually carrying around...the backpack I got at the leather store where every item is $20.

Like you, I hope that we all learn from this experience, and try to make things better for the generations that follow us.

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Janet, This has been a humbling for everyone. The upside is folks are finally learning to keep things in perspective. In my opinion, this is a well needed cleansing!

11:46pm • #15
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Excellent post! I have worked in the upper end market here in Austin Texas for many years and though many of my clients are more responsible than those depicted in your post but over the years I have run into a number of people who always seem to spend beyond their means and frankly are completely unrealistic when it comes to finances. I thought this was a well written and compelling post and thanks for being so blunt!

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Janet: Thank you. I think it's important for a person to remember their roots. Where I grew up, there was no bling-bling. For all practical purposes, there still isn't. It's our values that save the day. Most of the bling-bling people that used to be in the real estate business are gone and I never really associated with them anyway. We've always gotten by, never made a ton of money and focused on the important things. I have always found outward displays of wealth to be shallow. It seems to me alot of people cover up for their empty or shallow lives. I realize these are strong opinions and I do believe people should occasionally reward themselves. But it's relationships and who we are that really matters. Thanks for the thought provoking post!

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Lenn, how I have missed your wit. I always need to read your comments twice, and I mean that as a compliment.

You bought a 4Runner and won't keep it that long. Thank you for doing your part for the auto industry! I used to have people struggle with themselves to "justify" a new car when the old one was fine. My answer was always this "Who keeps a car till the wheels fall off? Its ok to change cars because you want to. Personally, I can't stand the same bedspread for more than a year. So what?" That always got a laugh.

So throw out the 10 reasons and enjoy the heck out of your new Toyota. Great choice.

PS I found a designer briefcase at a garage sale. Naturally I assumed it to be a fake, but it turned out to be real. Everytime I carried that thing into a loan signing, everyone made such a fuss. It was embarassing and it wasn't me. When daughter #2 found it in my closet, you'd think she discovered a gold mine in our back yard. She confiscated the briefcase immediately after breathlessly asking why and how I came to own such a priceless treasure. I let her have it because she seemed to appreciate it so much more than I ever would.

When daughter #1 saw that briefcase being carried by daughter #2, she was mad at me for weeks.

9:41am • #18
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Hi Karen: You are as down to earth as I had expected. I think luxury items are like cosmetic surgery. You do it for yourself, not to impress other people. If it makes you feel like a million bucks to drive a brand new Mercedes, go for it. If you are doing it to get noticed, or to impress others, then that is pretty hollow and shallow. If you really can't afford it, then that is a super sign of insecurity, in my opinion.

While I don't "get" the designer purse thing, I enjoy luxury too. I just have different priorities. I also think as you get older, you are less and less attracted to "THINGS", more attracted to comfort, adventure, friends, etc.....and understand that quality trumps designer.

9:52am • #19
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Colleen: I think you are right about this being a period of cleansing. But our entire economy seems to be built on everyone spending, buying, consuming. If we go away from this, lots of pain will occur.

I have been surprised this holiday season by the relief that many people feel because the whole commercial aspect of Christmas has been so toned down. Last night my son said he was "stoked" that he didn't need to buy anyone presents this year, because everyone he knew was not buying anything!

9:55am • #20
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Russell, I am always pretty blunt with my observations. I work in one of the highest income per family towns in all of the US...Alamo. My database is filled with my auto leasing clients (turned mortgage clients) and auto leasing is something done mainly by fairly well off business owners. This has played hell with my business this year because these people can't get loans without stated income and with jumbo money being gone with the wind.

Most of these people are more like the millionaire next door. You would never know how much they are worth because they are quite discreet. They may drink cheap wine. They may buy clothes at the thrift store. But they usually have nice houses and nice cars. But they are far from showy with their wealth.

It is refreshing to me to see that show off mentality be pretty much dead at this point.

10:02am • #21
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Paul: Thank you for a thoughtful comment! I agree with everything you have said. It is difficult to remain grounded and true to your roots when the frenzy is out in full force. When that equityline money was freely flowing, the main topic of conversation (at least where I live) was HOW everybody was spending that money. Remodels, second homes, vacations, motorhomes, boats, etc.

GEE, what fun we are having spending all that money.

If you weren't spending, your weren't "IN". Gosh, now that guy who just remained quiet during those conversations seems pretty brilliant, huh?

It is extememly rare for me to do a refinance where there is NO equityline. In fact one of the main reasons the economy has stalled has to do with dried up equitylines, and the inability to tap your equity...assuming you have equity...which most people DO NOT at this point.

 

 

 

 

10:08am • #22

Fun, and so true, post Janet.  I think we are going to see more "sensible values" as we emerge from this cycle.  Boomers who lost $$ are going to be scaling down, way down, as they plan their retirement. 

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It's a mixed bag out there--some people are cutting back, others are trading up.  It will be interesting to see what another twelve months of this economy delivers. 

 I lunched with a client yesterday and he took a call from a Mercedes salesperson regarding delivery of his new car.  I stopped by another client's house to pick up a toy she was donating. She said not only was their Christmas tree sparse and smaller so was the stash of gifts beneath it.

10:38am • #24
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Norma: I agree that this will be an interesting year. Most of my friends have totally stopped spending and have vastly scaled back Christmas. They are freaked out (can you blame them?) by how far their houses and retirement accounts have sunk.

If they same "devaluation" happens next year, then we are all in trouble. I think that is why everyone snapped their wallet shut. I feel sorry for all of those retail businesses that rely on Christmas to survive.

I just felt "in the mood" for a smaller tree this year, so mine is smaller. There will be less gifts as well, but I am hoping to replace the missing gifts with something that means more.

10:58am • #25
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Marjorie: I think alot of Boomers will now be interested in Reverse Mortgages. Their retirement strategy has gone to hell...stock market, and if that fails, real estate equity.

Poof!

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I think luxury can be done with balance.  Hybrid cars, green home amenities in the million dollar home.  People will feel better if they give and get at the same time.

11:40am • #27
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Terrific read and very good points.

1:27pm • #28

Funny, I was just thinking about "bling" this morning.  My stepgranddaughter is dying to have one of those horrible cowgirl bling belts.  I thought "honey that's over and you don't know it". I remember too in the late 70's when luxury was unfashionable but then it changed to "the material girl" thing in the 80's and the party was on again.  Same thing will happen again for better or worse.   

Kathy Judy
2:21pm • #29

Janet truly insightful as we tend to be short lived with "how things are". Time will tell how much in excess our society will allow itself to become again.

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Let me say bluntly that I really enjoyed this post. The free spending through leveraging could not go on forever. There is absolutely nothing wrong with spending money when it is done so in a responsible manner. Spending $1.20 for every dollar you make is only sustainable if you are a criminal. I am sad that these lesson are affecting so many people, so deeply. I am sure that many of those in dire circumstance now look back at the past couple of years and can point out instances of their own excess. It is important that those who do occasionally look back make sure it is only in the briefest of glances so as not to get caught in the trap of hindsight.

9:34pm • #31

What one person will call luxury is pretty common for others.I see luxury as items that are not worth the money you spent on it, and a poor investment.

I don't see a Mercedes S class as luxury ,but as a wise investment. It last a lot longer than most cars .It is a save big car ,worth every penny incase you have an accident.Also every time you get in one it gives you pleasure.

.A Prius car can  be a luxury car . For some one who does not drive much,  with $ 1,60 gas prices and the extreme sticker price for one of the ugliest cars on the road ,the actual per mile price might be higher than a Mercedes.The Prius becomes now a luxury. People pay too much to get a "image" symbol.That is what I call luxury. I have never driven a Prius and probably never will, but I can't imagine to have fun driving it. 

There will always be enough people that are willing to spend their money on good ,comfortable products ,that might be cars , big houses ,boats and airplanes.For many of these buyers this is not a luxury ,just a part of their life style.

The big change,at least for a few years ,will be that people now realize that they need real money and a reliable income source  to afford these items . Debt is bad!

 

 

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Conspicuous consumption.  I never bought into it and was somewhat amused by folks that did.  My worth comes from who I am and what contributions I can make to someone else's life, be it business, personal or spiritual.

Bling is a waste of money, IMHO. 

 

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Mike: As one of the other comments mentioned above: bling is in the eye of the beholder. If you buy something to be conspicuous (look at me, I can afford this) then that's pretty blingy.

If you buy something because you want it for yourself, it feels good to you and it does not matter what others think...that takes the conspicuous out of it in my opinion.

The more secure you are with your personal worth, the less conspicuous you need to be.

It is why you never judge by appearances.

I am reminded of certain areas where ramshackle inexpensive houses have $70,000 Range Rovers in the driveway.

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E. K.: I agree with your points. Like you, I prefer European cars. They feel solid and safe to me. I understand how to operate and maintain these cars (Japanese cars are so gadget-y). I like the smoothness of the ride.

Now because I must drive to take a loan application, I confess I also like the image and would just feel very uncomfortable showing up in a Corolla or a Civic.

You can call this "image". But to me it is no different from wearing clothes that are appropriate for the occasion and having a style of my own.

I used to tell my clients at the leasing company this "The most expensive decision you can make is to buy the wrong car. You will be back to me within months begging to trade it in...and taking a big loss"

This advice was often given to people who "thought/hoped" a Toyota was the same thing as a Lexus or a Volkswagen was the same thing as a BMW. They are not.

 

 

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Rich: I am glad you enjoyed this post. I enjoyed your thoughtful comment. There will be many "reformed overspenders" that come out of these times in my opinion. I can honestly say I feel very liberated this year because I am buying way less for Christmas. I suspect many people, like me, have decided to make this a permanant holiday tradition...what came before (in hindsight) was just over the top and not even fun. The hang over of having to pay for it was even less fun.

To spend more time with friends, in reflection, gazing at the Christmas tree, being with family? So much more fun than walking around trying to think of presents for people who really need nothing.

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Eric: Time will tell, but I expect the scars from this recession will change us forever..at least here in California. We trusted our real estate equity completely. We never will again.

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Janet,

We're pretty much on the same page.  I took the definition of "Bling" for what you said "Look at me".

Dressing for image/success in business is essential, and the line between the two is hard to find at times.  If I'm selling in high $ areas, I need to look the part.  That's not conspicuous, that's smart.

You also wrote "We trusted our real estate equity completely.  We never will again."

Do you really think that will be the case?   Look at how many exagerated market swings California has had since the 70's.  Way more extreme than the rest of the county.  And everyone seems to go along for the ride each time.

Maybe some will learn. 

 

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Your post is so true, right now bling is on the way out for city people. IMO the new bling will be organic, all things green, earth friendly and also expensive but in a quiet way.... Here in farm country we have a saying, If you have one, keep the Mercedes at your lake house....

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Hi Janet...My daughter graduated from The Athenian School in Danville so I have an idea of what your "neighborhood" is like.  Pretty nice.

Bling has never been my thing.

I have no problem with what people buy, it is when they spend money for expensive items and then cry poor.

I drive a Prius which I purchased in 2006 following a trip to Antarctica.  I purchased it for several reasons among them it made ecological sense, Toyota produces quality vehicles, we have a mini-van, and when out by myself I do not need a large car for comfort or status. I find it is still quite comfortable when showing property to two or three people.

What you own does not necessarily tell me who you really are and that is who I want to get to know.

Kate

4:13pm • #40

What a fantastic article at the perfect time of year.  Although I've never gotten caught up in all the glam and am perfectly happy to just be able shop at Wally World, I definately feel our spending habits have gone out of control.  In an era when we are still trying to give our children more than we got (even though we didn't have all that bad) it all seems so excessive. 

At a time when it is no fun to by your children christmas presents because they have everything we should all remember what is truely important in life.  In my opinion that has nothing to do with what you drive or what you hang around your arm.

I know I am counting my blessings this year for everything I have.

 

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I think part of the problem comes from quality (or lack thereof) and perception. Here in Atlanta, I see it quite often that people (meaning other agents) look at my Hyundai Sonata and say "That's what you drive?" Hmmmm...now that closings are a bit farther apart, that payment looks pretty sweet compared to say an E-Class?

American auto quality all went to the big SUV's. That's what people wanted, that's where the company was making its money, and as a result, If you say you drive a Chevy or a Ford, it darn well better be a Surburban or a F150. If Chevy, Chrysler or Ford REALLY produced a car on the level of a Mercedes, BMW or a Lexus, you don't think we would buy it? I sure as heck would.

My lease will be up in July, and I still will be having a "reality check" when I decide what my next car is. Sure, I'd LOVE an E-Class.....will I get one. Most likely not this round!

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MARIE: Wait. There is really a Wally World? I thought that was just something I saw in a movie.

T & R: You are right. The American companies did focus ( and did excel ) at producing SUV's. No one in California was ever interested in Japanese SUV's or American cars.

Janet's advice: your comment says loud and clear that you want an E-class Mercedes. What is wrong with giving in and getting what you really want? You are way too focused on what others think when what you think is the most important thing to consider.

It is more expensive to compromise on the car you want than to give in and get what you want. If you buy a purple shirt and hate it, you can hang it in the back of the closet and forget it. You cannot do that with your car.

You want the Mercedes. Life is short. Your car impacts you so much in so many ways. If purple isn't your color, you will never have a good day when you wear that shirt.

Get the Mercedes. Get the Mercedes. You want it. Get it.

8:41pm • #43
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Janet,

I also find it refreshing that Luxury is going out of style!

Lately, it has seemed that almost anyone with a decent job & a good credit line could purchase the Luxury items previously only attainable by the elite (Mc Mansions, luxury cars, designer shoes, purses...). Not that I don't want people to have them, but some things in life should be reserved to the people who can truly afford them or they loose their luster. The danger with seeking those blings is that people get into a competitive mode where they feel they need to have more & more expensive possessions to feel happy!

I hope that this downturn in the economy brings a dose of reality for some people out there and that they stop valueing material possessions so much. There should more to someone than the Bling Bling they surround themselves with! Thanks for your words of wisdom...

Monique

  

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Janet Guilbault California Mortgage Banker/Broker

Walnut Creek, CA

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Address: 3201 Danville Blvd, Suite 195, Alamo, CA, 94507

Office Phone: (925) 552-3867

Cell Phone: (925) 212-6347

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