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After 500 BPO's - I'm Still Learning

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Services for Real Estate Pros with AZ Veteran Notary Services CA BRE 01444168

I first became involved in the Default Industry just after Thanksgiving 2006, in an effort to find a way to supplement my income from home, as I was becoming more homebound in caring for a sick wife suffering with cancer.

Much of what I learned was from Asset Managers who I think were learning about this industry right along with me.  Together we grew and adjusted to meet the needs of our common clients - whether they be Wall Street Investors looking to purchase a portfolio of loans or large loan servicers pricing REO listings for quick liquidation...and many other reasons in between.

The biggest challenge the Default Industry has with BPO's is there is a genuine lack of consistency in the market, as agents and brokers are all trained differently.  By becoming Five Star Certified, those providing their BPO reports can offer a much more consistent product and in return help stabilize the market and even our economy.

Today, I can document over 500 completed BPO's in my local area, which eventually led to me becoming a fairly successful REO Listing Agent - now having listed and sold close to 100 REO properties for a handful of Asset Managers.  I have also trained several agents who worked with me early on, who are now successfully listing and selling REO's on their own, in addition to my current team of Brokers that I have trained in the art of preparing good comprehensive BPO's.

In an effort to grow my business, I have enrolled in a series of classes provided by the Five Star Institute - undoubtedly one of the most prestigious organizations that service the Default Industry.  The last class they offered on line, "Providing Broker Price Opinions" was left to last for me; after all I have completed over 500 BPO's in the last 2 years.

I thought for sure I would breeze through the class.  I was hoping to pick up a pointer or two, but most important I wanted the credential to provide me the credibility that Certification brings to the table and allows me to market to the potential clients I hope to contact and privilege me with their REO listings.

Was I mistaken?

The course is very comprehensive and includes an enlightening foundation as to what BPO's are actually used for and who uses them.  There is some excellent material on the differences between price and the various types of value.

I found the worksheets they provided to be very useful.  In my own business, I have created several proprietary Excel Spreadsheets to help in analyzing the nuances between comps and the subject property.  What is shared is somewhat simpler than my creations; however had I had these in the beginning I would not have had to take the time to figure out what I did - I would have just done it.  These forms alone are worth the price of the course if it save the serious BPO provider hours of time and calculations.  After all, isn't time our most important commodity?

I am going to have to check with the Asset Managers that I work with - because there is a very good chance that I have been providing inaccurate information in every BPO I have ever done and this has to do with the ROOM COUNT.  Instinctually I have always added the number of bedrooms to the number of baths and added two for the kitchen and living room; so a typical 3+2 would automatically start out as 7 rooms when it should only be 5.  I would then search the available data on the comps for additional rooms such as a Family Room, Den, etc. and add those to the room count.  Well, Five Star tells me we don't include the bathroom count any more than we would include a laundry room (I never did that!).

There were numerous other in-depth discussions about every conceivable element of a BPO and showing the difference between a good one and a bad one.  Again, most of this I thought I already knew and took what I knew for granted.  However; I must share that I had at least on "Ah-Ha" moment when every single topic was discussed.

I know I now must verify my findings with those that I currently do work for so that I am consistent in my finished product - seeking their opinions n what they want from me and then I must go back and retrain those in my team to do it the Five Star Institute way - which should become an industry standard.

I strongly recommend that anyone who wants to get ahead in this niche take the time and spend the few dollars necessary to invest in their formal industry education.  Although I can't guarantee that you'll get more business as a result of taking the class and becoming certified, what I can guarantee is that you will have a much clearer view of the industry and your very significant role in it.

Happy Thanksgiving,

John Occhi, REO REALTOR®
Allison James Estates and Homes
(951) 927-9473

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DRE Lic No: 01444168


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Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

My asset managers do want baths included in the count.  It's on the form I use and they provided it.  I work for 3 different companies and used 2 different forms, but am very clear on what it is each manager is looking for when they order a BPO.  Have been doing them about 11 years now.

Nov 27, 2008 08:21 AM
Brian Lee Burke
Kenna Real Estate - Lone Tree, CO
Broker & Advising Expert-Kenna Luxury Real Estate

John - thanks for your very thorough post. We have done a few BPO's but there just aren't that many near us (without having to drive way too far). However this is very interesting info, as we also have always included bathrooms to the room count. Sounds like a really good course to take. Happy Thanksgiving. ~Rita

Nov 27, 2008 08:23 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Tammy,

This is interesting - I can't wait to hear what my people have to say on the topic.  The course did raise other questions for me as well.  Overall, I highly recommend this as a very worthwhile investment into ones career.

Now go enjoy that Turkey Leg,

John

 

 

Nov 27, 2008 08:28 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Kenna,

interesting that you don't thnk you have too many BPO's in Denver.  One of the largest Asset Manager firms in the country is right there in your back yard.

I'd dig a little deeper and you just might be surprised at what you find there.

Happy Thanksgiving,

 

John

 

Nov 27, 2008 08:30 AM
Mark Watterson
Salt Lake City, UT
Utah Real Estate

Thank you for the enlightenment on BPO's.  I need to do more in that market.

Nov 27, 2008 09:00 AM
Mick Michaud
Distinctly Texas Lifestyle Properties, LLC Office:682/498-3107 - Granbury, TX
Your Texas Lifestyle is Here!

I wrote the broker incentive program that Freddie-Mac adopted back in '99 for California.  They had a standard format that they wanted followed so that they got consistent property data.  The comps and market data were a bit subjective, based on how you selected your comps.  As a broker, you still can skew your numbers.

When I've done BPO's, I not only try to find best, worst and typical comps, I try to provide average market data with trending on the prices.

Then factor in property condition.

Not exact, but it gives them something to gauge my work by.

 

Nov 27, 2008 09:54 AM
Toula Rosebrock
Diane Turton, Realtors, Forked River, NJ - Lacey Township, NJ
Broker/Sales Associate, Realtor, Lacey Township,

Hi John:

Thanks for sharing that information.

Practically everyday is a learning experience in this business! 

I've done a handful of BPO's, all coming from a referral basis however.

I definitely need to tap into that market.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Nov 27, 2008 10:01 AM
Konnie Mac McCarthy
MacNificent Properties, LLC - Cobb Island, MD
Broker/Owner - VA & MD "Time To Get A Move On!"

John, I do bpos also, which have led to REO listings, but I know enough to know that I never stop learning. , I have heard of the five star....but not the class, I will check it out, thank you very much for the information...

Nov 27, 2008 11:27 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Mark,

As bittersweet as this market is, it is the future and yes if you want to survive in the real estate market than I believe you and every other surviror must take the steps to earn this business.

John

Nov 27, 2008 11:30 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Mike,

That's an impressive bit of resume material - working with Freddie Mac helping develop their policy.

Interesting that you would offer the worst, best and typical comps.  I have been trained to throw out the very worst and very best and focus on what is typical.  To include the extremes would 'typically' open up the numbers to a large differance in price and to therefore hone in on what is right for the subject might be more difficult.

Interesting approach,

John

Nov 27, 2008 11:34 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Toula,

First, if I may, I find your name very beautiful.  Using the Tulip as part of your signature is interesting, escpcially since your last name starts with Rose.  Very nice.

Sorry for the digression - may I suggest that you find yourself a list of BPO companies - probably for $50 or less and then fill out every application you can, and then before too long, you too shall be busy with BPO's and hopefully REO's.

Good Luck,

John

Nov 27, 2008 11:36 AM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

Konnie,

You are 100% right - we never stop growing and learning.  I hope I did not appear arrogant when I was discussing the Five Star Institute and my continuing education.  It's just some material we expect to master fairly easy, but consider it a necessary evil in order to pursue a particular certification or degree.  That was my attitude about this class - but I must reiterate that it was an extremely beneficial class for me to take and one that already has me changing my BPO research model.

John

Nov 27, 2008 11:40 AM
Mick Michaud
Distinctly Texas Lifestyle Properties, LLC Office:682/498-3107 - Granbury, TX
Your Texas Lifestyle is Here!

John,

Let me clarify.  I didn't write the policy, I wrote the program (computer code).  I worked closely with the loss mitigation department to implement their policies with automated computer programs. 

As far as the best/worst, I put that in for reference so they can get an idea of what is happening.  They get a more robust picture.  Otherwise, to go with the "typical" only, they have no way of properly placing the BPO against the rest of the market. If I adjust my BPO for outstanding condition, it goes towards the top of the range, if I ding it for problems it obviously goes to the bottom.  This lets them know how high/low I am to the whole market, not just the mythical median or average.

 

And to that point, a little humor on stats and averages: 

If you put one foot in a bucket of ice water and one in a bucket of scalding hot water, on average what are you? 

 

Wait for it  . . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

VERY uncomfortable.

 

Nov 27, 2008 11:42 AM
Lynda Eisenmann
Preferred Home Brokers - Brea, CA
Broker Associate ,CRS,GRI,SRES, Brea,CA, Orange Co

Hi John,

Well written, and I couldn't agree with you more on..."After all, isn't time our most important commodity?"

Nov 27, 2008 04:04 PM
Anonymous
Bill & Fran Jenkins

Hi John,

 

Thank you for sharing your story. We have started getting BPO assignments from iMortgage Services, Titanium, and Integrated Real Estate Processing  and both us have the NFSTI certification which has recently merged with Paradigm Default Services. We are very serious of delivering service at a high level so education is very important to us. The Five Star Institute looks very intriguing. What are your thoughts about the benefits of NABPOP membership? In the course of registering with hundreds of REO/BPO sites we have noticed some ask if we have the NABPOP designation. Thanks in advance and hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving.

 

Nov 28, 2008 02:51 PM
#15
Anonymous
Help in California

I need to start generating income right away.  I do not have any equity sellers right now, short sales are not working and I need some help. Can anyone please enlighten me on how to register to do BPO's?  I am in Sacramento, CA and our market is horrible right now. I have looked on line and see the ads for buying a list of companies to register with but I am afraid of just wasting money.  Has anybody out there done this?  Can you give me any in sight? I feel like I'm sinking and with two kids to feed I am really scared.  Thank you in advance for any help.  

Dec 06, 2008 11:05 AM
#16
Anonymous
Ladyshay10

Hi John,

Thanks for the insight.  I currently perform BPO's for 3 companies and used to do them for one who would give me a lot of orders but changed the way orders are delivered.  I started doing them last year since I was new to the real estate business to boast my career.  I was just about to give up but after reading your article I'm staying strong and hope for a REO listing.  I will invest in some classes because I would like to be a star in everything I do. 

Thank you so much.

Shay

Jan 13, 2009 03:14 PM
#17
Winston Westbrook
Westbrook National Real Estate Co - Victorville, CA

I am going to start doing BPO's and love the tips you have here. I am also going to look into getting certified. That's a great idea

Feb 15, 2009 10:54 AM
Rosemary Brooks
BMC Real Estate - 209-910-3706 - Stockton, CA
The Mother & Daughter Realty Team

Hi John - just checking in on you and hope you and especially your is OK.

I was going strong on BPOs, did get several listings and now am thinking I need to go back and register with more companies.  Things have changed so much and so many have either died out or merge or whatever.  Do you have an up to date list of BPO companies that you'd like to share.

I had considered taking the courses you mentioned and then put it on the back burner.  Maybe I need to move it up to the front.  You wrote this post a while back.  Do you still feel the same about the training?

 

Apr 11, 2009 12:25 PM