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This article has content intended to be of interest to the professional home inspector, who uses a sophisticated carbon monoxide (CO) detection meter, and also the consumer. I learned of this means of testing my CO meter from technicians at the factory. I thought that other inspection professionals, who might not be aware of this simple test, would find the information useful. And, of course, regarding other portions of the article, it is important to make consumers aware of the dangers of CO.

Carbon monoxide poisoning is a danger that we read about but not something any of us expect to experience first hand. Traffic accidents are like that too. We do not expect to be involved, but, at some point or another, such an accident might impact our lives or our families. I previously wrote a detailed article, for consumers, on CO. It contains valuable information and you can read it here

CO poisoning can occur when it is least expected. A few months back, my wife's sister, who works at a bakery in Alaska, was overcome by carbon monoxide while working in a defective gas-powered freezer. She survived, having been found down on the floor and just in time, but she went to the hospital for a few days. I had another friend who had a simple consumer CO detector alert or go off. She thought it was a false alarm but took precautions anyway. Surprise, the gas range was putting off seriously high levels of CO. You know it is seriously high levels when the simple consumer CO alarms go off.

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While the standard consumer quality CO detector (above) is invaluable, and a must, in any home with gas appliances or a wood burning device, these units do not alarm unless substantial levels of CO are present.  Unlike a typical smoke alarm, that goes off when smoke is detected, these devices also compare the time-elapsed against the level of CO in the air. The danger presented by CO is impacted by the length of exposure, so the units try to calculate that to some degree. These wall units are like dummy lights in a car: If it goes off, you got a problem unless the device has gone haywire. To test consumer models, use the built-in test button. This should be done regularly, as specified by the instructions that come with your detector.

Take a look at the chart below, to see standard guidelines for CO exposure.

9ppm..... maximum allowable concentration for short term exposure in a living area

35ppm....maximum allowable concentration for continuous exposure, over 8 hours of time, in industry

200ppm... maximum concentration allowable in a 15 minute period. Likely to cause headaches, nausea after a couple hours. (You really do not want this to get over 150 ppm.)

400ppm....headaches in a couple hours, life threatening after 3 hours. This is the maximum allowable CO in flue gas, so you can see why you do not want a leaky flue at the furnace or water heater.

12,800ppm... death in 1 to 3 minutes.

Now, I wish to explain a procedure that is of interest to home inspectors but not really applicable to most consumers. Many of us, in the inspection business,  have expensive carbon monoxide detecting meters. These devices, unlike the simple consumer alarms, are very sensitive to CO levels. The problem is, being instruments, an inspector really needs to know if the device is operating or not. A meter that fails to detect, giving false readings, is worse than having no meter at all! I found, a few years ago, that a professional instrument I was using was not reading CO levels accurately. The sensors are prone to wearing out or being damaged by cold.

Many manufacturers suggest that the units be sent in to the factory annually to be checked and/or calibrated. In light of the problem I had, the factory told me how to make sure, on a regular basis, that the unit is sensing CO. Other inspectors might be interested in this simple test. It, at the least, gives you an idea if the meter is working and sensing CO. This method came from technicians at UEI, one of the leading manufacturers.

Inspectors: Take a piece of stationary, such as the paper you use at the computer. Roll it up like a rope. Light the end on fire, then blow it out. Put that smoking, smoldering paper under the sensor on the meter.

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If the meter does not alarm, then you need to send it in to the shop. It should be seeing CO at dangerous levels. This is a ballpark figure, but typically it gives a reading of about 300ppm to 400ppm from that smoking paper. In the past, UEI used to suggest that the same test be done with wooden matches but, apparently, some brands of matches do not give off significant CO levels.

So what happens when a professional CO detection meter sees CO?  Meters vary but, with mine, it gives a loud audible alarm and a red light flashes.

 carbon monoxide meter goes off

While it is beyond the standards of a home inspection to perform CO testing, some inspectors have such instruments and use them at their discretion. If you are an inspector, and have such an instrument, this is a quick test to find out if your meter is working or if it needs to go into the shop. You do not want to risk having a CO test meter that cannot detect CO when dangerous levels are present on-site.

 Steven L. Smith

 Bellingham WA Home Inspections

  

        

        

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54 Comments on A Tip for Professionals -- Testing the Carbon Monoxide Detecting Meter

NOV
29
2008

Steven - Very good post on the education of carbon monoxide.  I am strong believer in all life safety devices in a residence including heat sensors, smoke sensors, and carbon monoxide sensor.  All the best to you and your business.

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Thanks Kenneth. Glad to be of help here in the rain.

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Sounds like very helpful info for inspectors.  One inspector bragged to me a few years back that he was one of the very few inspectors who had this carbon monoxide machine.  I'll bet you all have them now....or should have.

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Barbara,

Why don't you go out and buy one and see how this works. As a favor to me. Actually, there are still a number of inspectors who do not have these. There are reasons for that, some that make sense, but I have my own reasons for having one that I will not go into in detail here.

10:17am • #4
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How much do they cost?  He said they were expensive!  Too expensive for the average home inspector, he said.

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Barbara,

I was kidding. Unless you want the squirrel blasting hubby to get one for you for Christmas. It will put him out probably $300.00 or more. You might want to just borrow the one Nutsy uses.

10:48am • #6
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Well, that's too expensive for me or the squirrel hunter.  He'd refuse to read the instructions and we'd have one more useless tool lying around.  The funniest thing was when VCR's were new and I bought him one.  It stayed on his TV for years and he absolutely refused to read how to use it.  I finally broke down and figured it out for myself to use.  Then he'd come in begging me to tape some golf match! 

11:42am • #7
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Steven- Thanks for posting- this is useful information for home inspectors. People shouldn't overlook the importance of carbon monoxide detection.

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Steven, thank you for writing about such an important topic.  A few years ago, the heat exchanger cracked in the furnace.  I was home sick so I did not set the alarm clock.  If the phone did not ring that morning, I don't think I would be here right now.  I could barely answer the phone that was on the nightstand next to the bed.  911 came and put me on oxygen and I had extreme, extreme vertigo and could barely stand up for days.  It was such a scare.  Now I am so neurotic about it, I travel with my own co2 detector when I stay at hotels, bed and breakfasts, friends houses, etc. because you never know how good someone else is keeping up their equipment!

1:39pm • #9
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Wow Lisa,

You are a good case in point about this serious issue. You were lucky. Sorry that happened to you.

2:27pm • #10
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Steven,

Thanks this is definitely some good info.  I recently had a run in with my smoke detector and called the company.  Those folks at the customer service desk have a lot of helpful ideas don't they.

3:55pm • #11
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30
2008
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I am pleased that you found this interesting.

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Steven, Good post! Not too many people out there are aware of the dangers of CO. It is not a bad idea for people to have their personal alarms checked periodically too...

~~ Michael

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  Some of the points you raise are going to find their way into our December newsletter to our sphere...Wisconsin winters lend themselves to faulty furnaces....every best holiday wish !

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Very informative post !  On the news last night a Philadelphia resident died in his house due to carbon monoxide posioning - is just awful as it could have been avoided.

7:49am • #17
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Gosh, I heard the same thing on TV in Phila. so this was very timely.

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Sally and David,

I am glad that you found the info useful.

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Christopeher and Stephanie,

I did not know about that tragedy when I wrote this. Just a coincidence.

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Great informative post.  Everyone should bookmark this for future reference.

11:37am • #24

I agree with Rebecca, this is very informative and made me think about CO.  I feel pretty safe at my house as the HVAC guy was here not long ago and he actually had a CO tester and I was good.  I think someone was telling me that you can get a house tester for around $50 or less. 

11:48am • #25
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Steven- what an excellent, timely post. Just this morning, I read about a darling family from Denver that died at a cabin in Aspen, from CO poisoning:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459187,00.html

After reading your post and the article above, I'll be buying a CO detector today!

1:10pm • #26
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I am sad to hear about those who died from CO.

Jason, you can get a combo CO and smoke detector for around 30 bucks.

Leslie, thanks.

7:59pm • #27
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I don't think we have that problem here in Florida but I am going to check tomorrow and see. Thanks for the post.

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Charles,

This is not like radon. You have the potential for it everywhere, FL too, where wood or coal is burned or gas appliances, including propane. That includes the dryer. Only ones who do not need a CO alarm would be a person with 100 percent electric.

8:37pm • #29
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Steven -- GREAT info!  I'm going to share this with all of my clients, friends and family... thank you!

9:29pm • #30
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01
2008
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Steven, Good information. I do not use a CO detector for my home inspections. I like you have my reasons. I would be interested to hear why you do you use one.

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James, thought I would chime in here as I sometimes use one as well.  For me the furnace inspection is really so rudimentary that anything we can do to provide additional info is good in my opinion.  That said even technicians can have a difficult time finding carbon monoxide because so many factors can affect whether it shows up.  When I find "blatant" indications to suspect that their might be carbon monoxide, I break it out.  If I start to feel nauseous or head achy, I break it out.  It is just more good information as far as I am concerned.  I also make sure that everyone is aware of the limitations.  Just because I don't find it today is no guarantee that the furnace operating during an atmospheric inversion might test differently.  Everything we test for----is for that point in time.  If someone dies because we don't test or do test----it is still the same result that the person dies----anything I can do to minimize that is all good in my book.

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James,

Ditto to Charlie. Sometimes I see old lousy units, and people living in the house. I, of course, refer to HVAC pro but I just want to do what I can to make sure nobody gets sick or dies in the meantime. And, if I found a CO problem, I would tell the seller ASAP. Many of these rattle traps do not have even a basic CO detector on the wall. I, again, also make no big deal of it typically. People may not even know I used it. Peace of mind.

7:23pm • #33
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02
2008
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So you two use them, but only when you suspect a serious problem.

The last time I had a situation where I suspected, no I knew there was a problem, the tech called me me because he couldn't "see what I was talking about".  This is the top of the water heater. Looks veeeery suspicious.

The water heater flue was attcahed to the furnace flue and then to the chimney. The furnace was power vented. I think you can figure out the rest.

Very surprisingly and fortunately no one died in this house.

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I would amend that, my procedure, to say that I only use the meter when I am concerned that there might be, specifically, a CO problem. I have used it around water heater and boiler draft hoods too when things were rough looking. Generally, as instructed by an HVAC pro, I put it on the supply register closest to the furnace in the house to get levels where people are most exposed. So far, I have yet to have a house that triggered the meter. Most ratty furnaces do not. I know Charlie had at least one  where CO levels were wildly high. He can tell you about that one. I also have a gas sniffer. I have that, in part, for my own protection after one house I was in. Again, not something I flaunt to clients but a hip-pocket tool. The life I save might be my own or my clients or the owner.

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I have and use very few meters. A gas sniffer would be something I would not want to have. I think if you can smell it, then it's a hazard and you should get out. After all an odor is put into the gas for that reason. I have had a few occasions where there was an odor of gas in the house. The inspection was stopped and the gas company called.

I can tell you and Charlie are certainly aware of the arguments against using these meters by your responses. Using them sparingly and without fanfare certainly is the most prudent approach.

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James,

Best use I have had for the gas sniffer is a friend with a boat borrowed it and found where his leak was. He kept losing fuel. Pinpointed the leak. I know the arguments. I understand some of the logic. I have also discussed it all with my business lawyer, a best friend, and he does not buy some of those arguments. He says most people get in trouble, in court, when they perform under the given or prevailing industry standards, not working above them. But we work with caution, as stated. Much of it gets into the "language" and I work hard at that.

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Steven, Anyone working below the standards deserves to be in court.

At least you got some good use out of your gas sniffer. You must be the guy all your friends call when they have a problem. Inspector gadget to the rescue.

10:20am • #38
DEC
03
2008

Hi steven, great post a lot of good info for everyone thank you.

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Frank,

I am pleased that is was useful to you.

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Charlie,

"I like my squirrel pickled and tenderized. Keep up the good work Nutsy. That new grill should be in any day."

That is a quote from your friend James. And you are telling me that you do not torment Nutsy.

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Mr James,

I pickled up this quote from one of your comments elsewhere. Where I no longer remembers.

I like my squirrel pickled and tenderized. Keep up the good work Nutsy. That new grill should be in any day.

Sort of sounds like inspector Gadget to me.

Your pickeled frend Nutzy

 

11:19pm • #42

This was an excellent post and I will definitely be more informative to my clients.

Do you normally recommend a CO detector to them if they don't have one?

About 9 posts up from mine, James Q said that the power vented furnace and the hot water heater flues were connected to the chimney. I don't know if I have seen that exact scenario, so could you explain the problem for me? Thanks

11:44pm • #43
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04
2008
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Robert, Here is a picture of where the two pipes connect to each other and then into the chimney. The larger pipe is obviously the furnace flue which as I said was power vented. When the furnace was run the gases were being pushed out the top of the water heater.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Robert,,

James took care of that. Basically, when two units, like a water heater and a furnace or even a boiler share the same vent, you want the one that has the weakest flow in front of the more powerful one in the B-vent. That way, the more powerful one will not, in essence, cut off flow from the other -- might just pushit along. What James described is a very bad situation, the one is destined to mess up the whole system and lead to the exhaust running out the open top, under draft hood, of the water heater.

As for CO detectors in general. They are essential in a home with gas or propane appliances including furnace, water heater, dryer or wood burning devices -- wood stove, fireplace, pellet stove or even coal burning. If a home is one hundred percent electric, including the dryer, then it would not be so critical. On the other hand, a combo of the two units, smoke and CO, is cheap and it would not be a bad idea to have a dual unit, just in case an appliance is changed out. I have seen people change something from electric to gas, then have no clue they needed to add a CO detector. I also, once, had a guy call worried to death because he had a CO detector and it went off. Ends up, he had zero appliances that would put out CO. He just had a detector go bonkers and require replacement.

By the way, this James guy may be a great inspector but he is also a squirrel-eater, so careful of him. Need I say more?

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Most of the time they will install a "Y" instead of a "T" at the connection in James's picture.

9:12am • #46

Thank You Gentleman (James, Steven and Charles), I am a better home inspector today than yesterday!

9:18am • #48
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Robert, As are we, except for that stewed squirrel Nutsy, he's on a downward spiral.  Heeeey...stewed squirrel. Where's my recipe book.

12:21pm • #49
DEC
05
2008

James Q, what does a power vented flue look like? Is there a special motor on the exterior of the unit? 

7:18am • #50
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Robert, The motor is behind the inspection cover inside the furnace. Water heaters can be power vented also.
9:11am • #51

Good picture of the flue problem James.

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Thanks for filling in guys. I have been out of the office all day.

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