CRAZY BORROWERS!

Have you ever encountered a borrower who thinks they know more than you? They will call a mortgage consultant to help them with financing and they have the audacity to listen to someone who is not mortgage consultant and dictate what you need to do and what you are supposed to give them. Let me tell you my experience: 

I have a client named Juanita (not her real name!). Who refinanced 2 years ago (when rates are at an all time low). Thier current rate is 5.55%, interest only 2 year ARM that is about to expire the following month. Thier ARM is about to go up to 8.55%. Thier new monthly payment will be $650 more. I got them a very good rate of 5.75% at par, but will still increase thier monthly payment since they have an interest only (no principal was paid for 2 years) plus adding the closing cost and cash out of $20,000. The rate went up as well. I charged her only a point. I told her an increase of $250 is better than $650. And now it is a 30 Year fixed not an adjustable. By the way she told me that she is no longer planning on refinancing in the future and she lived at her home for 21 years now. So a 30 year fixed is just what she needs.

She turned down the deal because her neighbor told her that she should get a lower monthly payment because todays rates are good (I wonder where he got that information) and that is what they got (the neighbor) when they refinanced 2 years ago. Are you kidding me? That was 2 years ago. They used to have a rate of 9.2% and got a new rate of 5.75% (her neighbor coming from a rate of 9.2% not 5.55%).It is almost impossible to even match her 5.5% without a loan discount (buy-down), and she does not have enough equity to pay down points. The LTV will change and the pricing will change drastically if I buy down the rate. I explained to her that there is no way of lowering her payment. I explained that her loan amount is bigger and the rate is higher. She did not listen to the math.

She rather listen to her neightbor (who works as a cafeteria lady), than a mortgage professional. I have closed thousands of mortgages in my career, how many closings did her neighbor have?

Anyway she decided to shop around and the next mortgage professional she dealt with aren't honest with her in the first place and promised her the moon. She spent money on appraisal and they come up with a rate and new payment worse than my offer. THe new mortgage guy also charged her more points. She walked out of the deal as soon the the new mortgage guy received a clear to close.

She called me a few mnoths later and told me that she want to use me again, After 4 months of waiting and shopping around she now have a 1 x 60 mortgage rate and her scores went down drastically. Now I could not even give her my original offer.

I tried to be honest and upfront the first time around, it just baffles me that inspite of the honesty society has been subjected to an environment of suspicions and mistrust. No matter how hard you try to protect your clients if they do not listen there is little you can do. 

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75 Comments on CRAZY BORROWERS!

I understand! For some reason some people think that we just need our handstamped at the door in order to work in the field!

04/22/2007 08:59 PM by Stacie Leiphart (Century 21 Call First)


Most people hear what they want to hear, say what they want to say, and do what they want to do. They are either listeners and learners or they are not going to follow your advice.

04/22/2007 09:05 PM by Judi Barrett (Integrity Real Estate Services)


The internet has a lot of buyer thinking that they know more than the professionals.....

04/22/2007 09:17 PM by Michelle Way ABR GRI WCR (Pro Realty)


I love when I get that phone call of someone telling me about mortgage programs.  People never surprise me where they get their mortgage advice from. 

04/22/2007 09:23 PM by Open Home Mortgage - Georgia's FHA Loan Expert (Open Home Mortgage - Georgia FHA Loan # 1 Lender)


Sometimes as a realtor I feel like people still don't think we know what we are talking about.  I want what is best for them, else I would be out of business.

04/22/2007 09:47 PM by Real Estate in Grand Rapids Ethan Dozeman (Platinum Realty Group)


sad.  I think we all run into crazy borrowers.  We all get some people that think they know more than all of us.  They think that they know rates way before they even talk to us.

04/22/2007 09:52 PM by Dave Cheatham (Indigo)


You should read my 2 posts on Blind Trust vs Unreasonable Skepticism.  I tackled a lot of what you are talking about here.  We all face this and when you think about it, it makes sense.

- Auto Mechanics lie

- Lawyers lie

- Car Salesman lie

Hence... mortgages guys lie too, RIGHT?  Well, hopefully you and I don't lie, but how do we convince the client.  The best method I have found is through developing "High Trust" relationships with the clients.  They have to trust you more than they trust that neighbor.  Your expertise doesn't really matter if there is not a personal connection.

A great book to read on the subject is Todd Duncan's High Trust Sales.

04/22/2007 10:10 PM by Olan Carder (Myers Park Mortgage)


Thanks for the advice and recommendation. I will order the book today. LOL!

04/22/2007 10:14 PM by JEROME GENTOLIA (UNIVESAL HOLDING LTD- UNILION GROUP)


What a story.  Now she is stuck!  What ashame.

04/22/2007 10:20 PM by Randal Keberlein (Weichert Realtors Unum Properties)


Jerome,

Can you blame people?  There are plenty of crooks in the mortgage business, as you well know.  I guess the key, as one of your previous commenters indicated, is trying to establish a relationship of trust with your customers. 

04/22/2007 10:45 PM by Buyer's Broker of Northern Michigan, LLC


Yeah, I agree! A lot of mortgage professionals are giving the industry a bad name. WE are now compared to car salesmen.!

04/22/2007 10:48 PM by JEROME GENTOLIA (UNIVESAL HOLDING LTD- UNILION GROUP)


I LOVE those people. They make my day go by better!

Ben

04/22/2007 10:48 PM by Q Q (Q)


You can't change your clients mindset, but you can inform them and quiz them.  

If a client wants to believe that they know more than me, well then I guess that's their perogative, but It begs the question, why did they talk to me in the first place. 

The easiest way to handle these types is to answer their questions honestly and then ask them questions about things they probably haven't considered.   Once they realize their are areas of mortgage planning they don't understand, they'll realize who the real professional is.  

And if they want to be stubborn.. well there's a saying for that too...

MR

04/23/2007 12:38 AM by Martin Rodriguez (SCV Loan Solutions)


well let me tell you being a new loan officer  Ive already dealt with a few clients that thought just because they called az lender down the street and they offered 6.5  that  that is the rate they can get no matter what  .  No credit check nothing of the sort.  which is totally untrue   I love the ones who have all there fees figured out and thisss is how much everything should cost!!!

04/23/2007 11:52 AM by Theresa Halderson Mortgage Consultant (ASAP mortgage)


This happens pretty often but the comment made about creating a "high trust" relationship was spot on. Develope the rust before you ever get to this point and the pain is minimized significantly. But if it comes down to it, play hardball.   I recently was in a tog-o-war with homeloancenter.com (a subsidiary of lendingtree) and after a week of back and forth I told the borrower "what they're offering you is a great deal, if it's legit. But based upon my research it really sounds too good to be true. Before you make your final decision, just do me one favor, run the following googles. run a google on "bait and switch lendingtree.com" , "bait and switch homelaonscenter.com" and a google on "bait and switch Peoples Mortgage Corporation", and see what comes up. I'd hate for you to get to closing and have the numbers and program be different from what you think it's going to be". We got the deal.

04/23/2007 12:45 PM by Joel Aigner (Peoples Mortgage)


This happens pretty often but the comment made about creating a "high trust" relationship was spot on. Develope the rust before you ever get to this point and the pain is minimized significantly. But if it comes down to it, play hardball.   I recently was in a tog-o-war with homeloancenter.com (a subsidiary of lendingtree) and after a week of back and forth I told the borrower "what they're offering you is a great deal, if it's legit. But based upon my research it really sounds too good to be true. Before you make your final decision, just do me one favor, run the following googles. run a google on "bait and switch lendingtree.com" , "bait and switch homelaonscenter.com" and a google on "bait and switch Peoples Mortgage Corporation", and see what comes up. I'd hate for you to get to closing and have the numbers and program be different from what you think it's going to be". We got the deal.

04/23/2007 12:45 PM by Joel Aigner (Peoples Mortgage)


Wow...trust verses unbelief......

I can't say a thing on this...

I am stunned!!

04/23/2007 02:06 PM by Central Florida real estate - Alexander Harb PSEM®, E-Agent® (Beach and Luxury Realty Inc.)


Jerome you did your job as a responsible lender and educated the borrower and they know that. Kudos to you..........

Eddy

04/23/2007 02:09 PM by Eddy Martinez (Nationwide Funding Group)


All you can do is be honest and upfront with each and every person.  If they think they know more than you do, it's best to move on tho the next client.  It is pretty funny that after she turned you down, she came back a few months later and wanted the same deal. 

04/23/2007 02:44 PM by Jim & Maria Hart ~ Charleston, SC Real Estate (Agent Owned Realty)


I had a single gal once who quit her job at Burger King as the Assistant Manager in the middle of a home purchase because she got into an argument with the Manager.  The Realtor and I sat her down, made her get her job back and close.  It was over something silly that she quit her job.

04/23/2007 02:53 PM by Michael Byrne (Gateway Funding Diversified Mortgage Services)


NOw that is a story worht telling!...LOL!

04/23/2007 08:13 PM by JEROME GENTOLIA (UNIVESAL HOLDING LTD- UNILION GROUP)


Yes, it is very disheartening when you know you have done the very best you can do for your client and some "know-it-all" tells them something different or they end up shopping you with a crooked broker who will tell them anything to get them in the door!

But really you did all you could and in the end she realized it ..... even if it was a little late for her to get the same deal.  What should stick in her mind is how you were there for her and upfront on everything.... this will hopefully lead to referrals from her for you.  Good Job!

04/23/2007 08:53 PM by Assurity Financial Services


Borrowers, CPAs, Attorneys...

crazy is a good word for them

I have one blaming ME for the price on an appraisal

I have one dictating my use of SBA loans rather than conventional commercial finance

I have a borrower telling me to get her a 2nd home loan on an investment property with a bad credit score and can't use her husband's income to buoy her mediocre one that is already stretched to the max...oh! and 6% no points!

 

04/24/2007 10:41 AM by Boca Raton Florida & Boynton Beach Florida Mortgage Loans


As Real Estate financing professionals our job is to curb clients behavior. Once they see the numbers it should click but if it doesnt keep explaning it until they finally get it.

Eddy

04/24/2007 02:46 PM by Eddy Martinez (Nationwide Funding Group)


As an attorney with many lender and broker clients, we hear stories like this often.  Of course, we experience it ourselves when we give legal advice and our client chooses to listen to anecdotal advice from "friend" or relative.  Unfortunately, when borrowers are unwilling to lock down on a reasonable rate but are lured to other seemingly "lower" rates, they are at risk for mortgage fraud.  Sadly, it is usually the "friend" or neighbor who is making money off the borrower selling them into an exploding ARM or other undesirable product.

04/24/2007 02:56 PM by Julia Wei (Law Offices of Peter N. Brewer)


My favorite line in comment industry came from a realtor once.....

"My lender can beat that deal!!!" (said to one of MY CLIENTS behind my back)

My response? "Oh, really? How do you know? Do you have a full 1003 & credit? Does your lender?"

End result? The client left me then came back when the preferred lender couodnt even get an approval. LOL

There are lots of well meaning people out there giving bad info.....

 

04/25/2007 12:30 PM by Tom Burris | Texas Home Loan Expert (DallasLoanGuy.com)


I am new Mortgage Broker and new to here also.  I have closed on one deal and it started with me being perfectly honest and realistic, not about the rate, but about the amount of time it would take to close.  They wanted it to close in like a week.  I told them that I couldn't make that happen, but would be able to push it thru in 2 weeks.  They ended up going with another mortgage broker that promised they would be able to get it done in the allotted time.  Well, to make a long story short, after this other broker kept asking for more money and more time, they came back to me and we closed the deal.

04/25/2007 01:59 PM by Cheryl Lindley (Mortgage Xperts, LLC)


It always funny in the middle of the process when a client has the mystery loan officer/lender who is offering them a unrealistic rate/loan program. I always ask them to get a GFE or to put that proposal in writing and they are never able to to.

Eddy

04/25/2007 04:53 PM by Eddy Martinez (Nationwide Funding Group)


Haha!  I have one of those RIGHT NOW!  I knew that I wasn't the only one that had a "high maintenance" client but I'm glad that we finally have a place to vent collectively. 

 

Chris 

04/25/2007 10:49 PM by Chris Molina, Realtor®, Elk Grove CA (Cooper & Associates Real Estate)


I had one client once ask me if we could buy down her interest rate for free since she had such a high FICO score. After a few minutes of explaning how the buydown actually works the client was happy.

Eddy

04/26/2007 02:51 PM by Eddy Martinez (Nationwide Funding Group)


That is funny. I feel your pain. I feel that pain alot.     lol

07/25/2007 08:57 PM by James Hoben (Rockland Trust Mortgage)


Jerome,

You just can't win sometimes. No matter what you do. Some borrowers are looking for the ultimate loan that isn't there. They keep bouncing from one lender to the next in search for a fraction of a break. And at the end they realize that all this time and effort was really wasted because either the very first or the second lender offered a good program.

07/25/2007 09:37 PM by Esko Kiuru - Las Vegas NV Mortgage Consultant (Sinifox Financial)


Thank you very much for sharing, everyone must have a story like that...my old manager always used to say, "That's why you get paid the big bucks!"

07/26/2007 08:36 PM by Shane Sarae, Senior Mortgage Planner (Loan Network LLC)


To many people subscibe to "the grass is always greener theory" too few subscribe to the Biblical theory of contentment  with what the Lord has provided

07/31/2007 09:54 AM by Hugh Krone Sussex County NJ Century 21 Realtor (Century21BillSemmens)


Jerome, the lunch lady strikes again!!  I was sitting with a residential borrower to refi to a 7/1 ARM from an Option ARM he did not like.  When my borrowers ask how long till we close? I try to be realistic and tell them 3-5 weeks depending on how soon you provide documentation etc..  He seemed OK with that, while we were on the lanai on a Wednesday discussing loan details, he received a phone call from a telephone  loan originator.  When my borrower said he was discussing a deal with me and that he was going to use me, the phone officer said he could close the deal THAT Friday!  An appraisal, title, underwriting and all the rest in 48 hours!  My borrower said that was impossible and said good bye.  We did the deal in a reasonable time and he got a fair deal.  How many naive borrowers would believe the voice on the phone?  Once they began the process you know the deal would take weeks, and would the borrower get what they were promised?  Not likely.

 

 

08/13/2007 11:34 AM by Stephen C. Olczak (Trust USA Mortgage Corp)


Remember, the buyer is always correct. Even if you beat them over the head with the facts, they sometimes will not listen. It is jus the way it is.

08/13/2007 12:08 PM by Karl Schott (Aviara )


Jerome~   I think you'll find this both humorous and sadening.... I had a client contact me this past February in a foreclosure situationi saying he could not be helped.  We will call him "Mark".  Well, Mark then spilled his heart and life story all over me in that 45 minute phone call.  It turned out his house was worth 480k and he owed about 300 on it.  Not so bad at all I thought at first.  I asked him all of the appropriate procedural questions for the Dec page and he was allegedly clean and clear.  I was rather excited at what had appeared as an "easy"  FC bail-out.  To my shagrin, title came back 3 days later and low-and-behold a Federal Income Tax Lien of 39k shows up.  Not to worried though suprised I re-evaluted and structured the loan. We were still in the green.  Now, we all now just how much of a peach the IRS is to work with....   Having stated that, the next three weeks were rather intense on just this borrower!  Not including my initial pipeline and my prospecting duties!  In short, the payoff came back 11k higher than expected.  Ouch.  Then our mortgage payoff came in 16k higher than previously projected.  Bank (A-H)  for those with imagination....aren't exactly the people you want your loan sold too....  To make a long story short, this guy had money in the bank.  Why he didn't pay his mortgage was answered simply with "I had other things more important to buy".   Beyond me, that one!!!  Anyway, before my rant gets too long..  I had struck a deal with the IRS!!!!!  Yes indeed I did!!!!   I also got an exception from the lender (because they SLASHED our appraised value.....)  and the only thing "Mark" had to do was fork over 2k at most to the IRS to RESUBORDINATE!!!  Holy Cow!!  RESUBORDINATE!!!  "Mark" has not comprehended what I had accomplished for him....  and believe this or not... told me he was going to get an extension on his auction (somehow he knew someone capable of that....)  and sell his house for full asking price. 

For the first time in my career I happily typed up a denial letter and I even spent the extra buck to have it overnighted to his doorstep....partially because I wanted to ensure it was still his doorstep when it arrived.....

"And that's all I have to say about that"

08/21/2007 09:00 AM by Derek Bridger (Mortgage)


Why wouldn't they listen to the cafateria worker, he had better news than the expert.  People here what they want to hear. 

Its the same in Real Estate as well.  Why listen to the professional, when their sisters friends, cousins neighbor who lives in an apartment has better advise on selling a home. 

I subscribed, looking forward to future crazy stories. 

08/21/2007 09:13 AM by Chad Baird (Re/Max Spirit)


Did you communicate with her during the 4 month lull? Clients like these may need a bit of wooing. This could have potentially been used as an opportunity to educate her on current rates and possible payments and would have come out looking like a hero! Sorry it didn't work out with her.

08/22/2007 09:10 PM by Vanessa Plante-McDonald, MBA, REALTOR® - Cash Rebate to ALL My Buyers! (Bethel Equities, LLC)


You can't help people that won't help themselves.  This individual wanted to just rate shop you and cut closing costs as much as possible.

You did the right thing by getting her the best program available at the beginning and only charging her a point.  Perhaps the only thing that you didn't do effectively is close her.  You gave her a great program but she still didn't want it.

Everybody thinks they know more than the mortgage broker who does it for a living.  And although you could have stayed in touch with her for 4 months. Why would you?  Your efforts were better suited to seeking out new customers that you could actually help and that wanted your advice.

Now she was 1 x 60 at the time of the post.  Halfway to foreclosure because she new better.  You did all you could.  Don't even give it a second thought.  She was destined to do this, due to her knowing more than you.

08/24/2007 01:41 PM by Paul Cicchini (SmartRate Mortgage)


I actually love borrowers like the one's you described.  I just give them what they want and move on...usually not what's best for them.

08/24/2007 02:29 PM by US Mortgage Corporation


Would a doctor, an architect or a honest financial advisor would give people what they want even knowing that will hurt them without making sure they understand the consequences? And even if they say they understand, would you go ahead and cut out a leg or put a swimming pool on the roof of an old house, or allow a pre-retiree to invest all her savings in high risk stocks?

08/24/2007 10:37 PM by Residential Real Estate in Norwalk >> Nestor N. Romero, REALTOR®. (Buyer's Capital Real Estate)


I had this talk about the mortgage issues and people facing such issues with some friends today. While I believe that many folks have been taken advantage of by predatory lenders and over eager Real Estate agents - I also think many people simply won't listen.

I had a similar case last year when my regular loan officer and I talked my buyers out of an interst-only loan; because they were really stretching themselves.  They didn't listen to us and used another lender.  I told several times they should buy a cheaper home; but nope.

They bought an expensive home and are now house poor.  Well at least they have 2 more years until their ARM increases.

It is frustrating to be hired by people and they won't listen.  I wonder how many Dr opinions they get when they get the flu?

08/24/2007 11:55 PM by James Downing - REALTOR® - Washington DC Real Estate (Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage)


James,;......Yes I agree..I think the reason why many borrowers get victimized is becasue they fail to listen to good advice. Somehow like a "moth to a fire", they could not resist the too good to be true advice. Thanks for stopping by.

08/25/2007 11:35 AM by JEROME GENTOLIA (UNIVESAL HOLDING LTD- UNILION GROUP)


Nestor...good analogy...... made me laugh out loud...well said..thanks for stopping by.

08/25/2007 12:47 PM by JEROME GENTOLIA (UNIVESAL HOLDING LTD- UNILION GROUP)


Jerome,

 Thanks for the story.  I would have to say that the best thing about our profession is not only do our clients pick us, but we have the ability to pick or decline prospects.  Sometimes peace of mind is more important than the commission.  If a client knows way more than you do then maybe that wasn't the client for you.

08/25/2007 12:51 PM by Corina McGraw~ Encinitas~ and North County San Diego (CELLing Realty)


Jerome...

Do not even start this!  :=0  Just kidding!  I cannot ever fathom why people do that.  It only turns their situation worse.  I will do a loan for someone if it is what they want.  I always try to caution them and give my expert advice.  Ultimately, though, it is up to the borrower...stupid, crazy, arrogant, prideful, or whatever the case may be.  Anyway, I could not agree more with your analysis!  Let's go fix the crazies!!

08/25/2007 01:07 PM by Sarah Eubanks ~ Preferred Oregon Loan Consultant & Notary Public (Hill Valley Financial Services)


Hey, it happens and it will happen again.   I think I've had that same customer a couple of times..

08/25/2007 01:35 PM by SETH CALLEN (OKLAHOMA INSURANCE SOLUTIONS)


Seth...yes we are all part of the club Seth. LOL! Thanks for visiting!

08/25/2007 04:52 PM by JEROME GENTOLIA (UNIVESAL HOLDING LTD- UNILION GROUP)


Sarah...thanks for stopping by! Good luck on fixing the crazies! LOL!

08/25/2007 04:53 PM by JEROME GENTOLIA (UNIVESAL HOLDING LTD- UNILION GROUP)


Sorry it did not work out. I am even sorrier that the climate lenders have created has more people seeking the advice of cafeteria workers. I can understand why. You see the cafeteria worker has also been stuck with a ARM that is now re-setting and regardless of the 5.5% that seemed so sweet (on the advice of their lender) the reset will kill them. Wonder why 2 years ago, their lender did not point out the advantages of taking a 5.75% fixed rate?

Everybody wanted a piece of the pie. Everybody tried to cut the biggest slice for themselves.

People don't trust lenders because it was a lender that convinced them that they could afford the loan. It was a lender that pointed out rising home values and "don't worry, we can refinance before the rate goes up". The lender overlooked mentioning that the refinance rate would possibly be a couple points higher and the cost to refinance would be borne by the borrower.

Consumer confidence regarding mortgage brokers is a bit low and that is only the mortgage brokers fault.

jmac

08/26/2007 12:14 AM by John MacArthur The MacArthur Group (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.)


I FEEL YOUR PAIN!  We have a couple of clients like that.  In fact last week we had one who refused to sign loan docs because she did not want to pay $2,000 for points - even if all the fees were included in the loan!  Instead she decides she'll shops around.  She probably expects me to keep her lock indefinitely.  Some foolish loan agent assures her she can get 6% fixed with 0 points.  I let it go.  When she comes back for her refi, her rate of 6.375% will be nonexistent.  Her loss not mine.  We just wasted too much time and resources and that really makes me !!***%??!!!.  There I said it.

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02/25/2008 10:45 AM by robert


The world is made up of o many different people. The realistic ones hopefully come around but as you said before they lose the rate and want to blame someone else for their mistakes.

02/25/2008 12:46 PM by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Flexit Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com)


Some of this comes about due to consumers wanting to get the absolute most that they can for the least amount of money.  Greed was probably a big factor in the borrower here deciding to try another company (and another, and another).  No one ever told her that her credit score would keep dropping each time someone pulled her credit report.  So she thought she could just shop around. Which did her so much more harm than good.  I feel sorry for her situation but it was avoidable.

~Renae

02/25/2008 01:01 PM by Renae Bolton ~ Marketing 4 Realtors (Marketing 4 Realtors, LLP)


Although I can't help but say ouch to John's comment, there is too much truth in it.  I won't classify all the loan officers in that boat but...too many are/were...it is going to take some time and coddling to get consumer confidence back...

02/25/2008 03:02 PM by PATRICE BRICE (PB APPRAISALS)


"Have you ever encountered a borrower who thinks they know more than you?"

I understand and agree with most of your article, however what about Long Realty Company and their partnering company Pinnacle Mortgage/First Magnus and their affiliate company Title Security Agency of Arizona who falsified my father's information so they could qualify him for a loan he could not afford, and after the loan was funded, they sold the loan to a secondary market.

My fathers house is being auctioned in two days because he trusted these companies. I think it would be foolish to believe this whole mortgage crises is strictly do to crazy borrower's, and nothing to do with greedy real estate professionals.

For more information please google... Beware of Long Realty/Sly as a Fox

 

02/25/2008 03:41 PM by


I love these stories... they make our job interesting

02/26/2008 06:08 AM by Rick Kellow


People just don't want to listen to the people who know what they are doing.  Sometimes it is a shame.  I had a similar case.  I had the loan ready to go and another lender offered a higher ltv then cut the appraisal so it wouldn't even work.  When he came back to me the rate was .875 higher than before.  Some just won't listen.

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02/26/2008 06:13 PM by Hanh Brown (Investors Lounge Online)


I always tell my buyers to listen to their mortgage guy or girl and not to listen to someone that doesn't have a clue.

02/26/2008 09:11 PM by Vicki Bishop GRI - Alabama Real Estate (Coldwell Banker United Realtors®)


With all due respect to the good eggs...many of whom I do a lot of work with...it is really hard to weed through some of the information and there are so many promises from lenders looking to steal the deal that I think it is hard for borrowers.  Too many empty promises, I'm afraid.  If only you good guys could wear a sign!!

02/27/2008 07:50 AM by PATRICE BRICE (PB APPRAISALS)


Jerome - There's not a lot you can do except keep the lines of communication open (by adding her to your email newsletter, perhaps). They eventually come back. One of my clients does this very successfully, and what they find is that once the borrower comes back, (1) wild horses won't drag them away, and (2) they become the best sources for referral business. Sometimes you can't convince people, they have to convince themselves.

03/01/2008 08:51 AM by Jackie - Mortgage Virtual Assistant (Close-More-Loans.com)


I've been running into these situations more and more frequently lately, and I always present myself with honesty and respect, yet our customers today always want to shop...they shop around and are promised the world, but many times can't deliver. The customer gets drawn in too far to feel that they can get out, and once the deal is closed, come back and say, "I wish I'd have listened to you".

03/01/2008 11:11 AM by Bo Hunt, metro-Atlanta Mortgage Professional (First Choice Mortgage Group)


Been there meet her sister.. at least they went to different schools together..  so she did not get that a big part of the $250 additional is for the cash out and the closing costs. 

03/01/2008 11:43 AM by NetOriginator.com / RadarCommercial.com


I know exactly what you are talking about.  I have a borrower who wanted to do a 15 year home equity loan 48% ltv.  He wanted me to contact him when the rates fell below 5%.  I contacted him to let him know I could get him the deal we discussed and now he wants to wait until rates drop below 4.5%.  He told me that the fed is about to cut rates again and he would like to wait.  I tried to explain to him that when the fed cuts the rate it does not always affect conventional mortgages.  Thanks for the topic.

 

03/01/2008 06:36 PM by ProLending Mortgage


We all have these crazy stories. People who listen to friends and neighbors and not the professionals are doomed to waste money.

03/01/2008 11:52 PM by Portland Oregon Real Estate >> Wayne B. Pruner, GRI (Oregon First)


 

Arizona Daily Star March 2, 2008 front page of the Business section there is an article about my father's tragedy and what Long Realty company Designated Broker Jerome King, Long agent Pam Treece and Long agent Susie DeConcini had to say.

 

03/02/2008 10:40 AM by


I know so many people like that.  If I can refinance for another year or two I will be ok.  I say Good Luck.

03/03/2008 11:58 AM by Tricia Fowler (Fowler Realty)


We can swap:  I have a million crazy Seller stories.  Just this week alone we have 6 hours, spread over three 2-hour appointments with a woman who on the third appointment finally breaks down and tells us she just doesn't know whether she really wants to sell or stay.  Unfortunately, there are enough crazies out there to go around - enough to drive us ALL crazy - IF we let them...

 

03/03/2008 07:23 PM by Jacki & Jerry Shafer, The Shafer Real Estate Team (The Shafer Real Estate Team, Keller Williams Louisville East)


I love the graphic at the end. It totally represents that feeling of pulling your clients to the closing gate! This is not uncommon in my area where the average house sells for $1.5million. They are all smart, savy and think they are smarter than me. There is a huge number of engineers around here also, they tend to think they know more than everyone! I "fire" a lot of potentials when it just looks like it's going to be a huge headache.

03/03/2008 08:53 PM by Brinette Holdren - Residential Real Estate (South Bay Brokers, Inc.)


Very interesting. People are just trying to live on borrowed time.

03/03/2008 10:28 PM by Menomonee Falls Real Estate - Matt Yogerst (RE/MAX Realty 100)


Everyone thinks that they know more than the professional.  Thanks to CNBC and other great sources they know it all

03/04/2008 11:15 PM by Joe Davis (Keller Williams Commercial Group)


Excellent post.  The most rediculous one that I had was a lady who was doing a purchase in TX was talking to her son who lives in TN who also had done all of his research on the internet BTW and was now a mortgage "expert" and knew that there must be something unethical about a broker.  Sheesh!

07/01/2008 11:00 PM by Equity Mortgage, LLC


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