I know the rule many people use is that is you can lower your rate by a half a percent or a quarter of a percent you should refinance.  THEY ARE WRONG THERE ARE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

If you have been in a mortgage for over 3 and a half years it probably is not wise to refinance.  Here is an example why you should not refinance.

Let's say you got a mortgage for $200,000 at 6.125% back in Nov 2004.  ( Your first payment was in November).  So going off an amortization schedule your current balance this month would be $189,209.15.  You would have paid down the mortgage by $10,790.85 in the last 4 years.

But you would have paid $49,,470.44 in interest in the last 4 years.   So your mortgage loan officer is calling you.  They are telling you that they can save you money.  They can get you a no cost loan at 5.625%.  Your new payment on a $189,000 mortgage would be $1087.99  A SAVINGS OF $127.23 A MONTH!   A NO BRAINER RIGHT......  WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.......

Now you have a new thirty year mortgage instead of 26 years left.  So now you have 4 additional years of interest.  If you run a amortization schedule on the $189,000 mortgage starting in January at 5.625% you will find you will have to pay $41,375.63 of interest on those four years.

So divide that $127.23 into that $41,375 of interest on those four years.  It will take 27.1 years to break even and you added 4 years to your mortgage.  NOT THE SMARTEST FINANCIAL MOVE!

Let's look at this a different way.  On your first mortgage of $200,000 you would have paid $237,479.59 in interest over the 30 years.  But wait you already paid $49,470.44 in interest.  So that means you only have $188,009.15 in interest left to pay.  But that nice loan officer wants you to get that new loan.  That new loan will have $202,676.62 in interest to pay. 

So does it make sense to get into a loan that will add four years to the loan and have an additional $14,667.47 in interest to pay.  202,676.62 - 188,009.15 = $14,667.47 in additional interest.  And take 27.1 years to break even when you could be finished with your current loan in 26 years.  NOT THE SMARTEST FINANCIAL MOVE.

The only reason you would want to do this loan in this circumstance is that you need better cash flow.  If you are in financial problems.   If you want to go over your circumstances and your loan scenario on a Michigan home loan feel free to call me or email me.  cell 313-310-9855 or info@russRavary.com

I have a bet with another loan officer telling him that he was screwing his clients by doing a refinance under those circumstances.  All I know is that I am going to be eating and drinking good next week on him. 

Gotta go, I have to call my fellow loan officer and see if we can go to a nice restaurant. 

 
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6 Comments on Why refinancing may not be a good idea. ( I have a bet on this)

DEC
03
173,079 Points 1 Featured Post

One could go the other way and trade the old mortgage for one with a term of 15 years or perhaps 20.  That's if one's goal is to get it paid off rather than accumulating funds for another purchase which might be a good thing in today's market where buyers rule.

9:22pm • #1
DEC
04
438,172 Points 10 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I think I lost...... because it all depends on what the customer pays as a payment.  If the client only pays the new lower payment I am right and you don't want to refinance.   BUT If you would pay the old payment on the new loan you could actually shave off three years off the loan.  You could have the loan paid off in 23 years!!!  So if you can afford the old payment and continue to make the new payment you would save 3 years and $26,757.15 in interest.  I guess I might be buying lunch.  I wonder if he likes Mickey D's  

11:37am • #2

"I guess I MIGHT be buying lunch"

"Gotta go, I have to call my fellow loan officer and see if we can go to a nice restaurant"

"I wonder if he likes Mickey D's?"

I think you should be buying this much wiser LO lunch for the rest of your career just for the new wealth of knowledge he has bestowed upon you!!!

1:10pm • #3

Still a great point! Most LO's don't have the knowledge of this brilliant mind that you will be buying lunch. Most would sell the "Great low rate" and yet they will keep you in this low rate for the rest of your life. Sad thing is that most people bite on this pitch because of lack of financial education that you both seem to provide. Good post and follow up! Sorry you have to buy lunch.

1:48pm • #4
DEC
05
123,332 Points

Thanks, Russ. Generally, a person needs to get a rate of at least 1% better to justify the costs involved. I spend a lot of time talking people out of refinancing if I don't see at least a $150 savings/month on the payment. I may be walking away from business but believe the loan officer who refi's. someone to save 1/2% is doing a disservice to the customer. Our job is so much more than being a great salesperson. It's about service and doing so in the customer's best interests. Obviously, if someone has an ARM or wants to take cash out, that may be a legitimate reason to refinance. You watch. There have been a ton of mortgage applications this week. There were also a ton in January of this year. I'll bet alot of these loans won't close. One thing that hasn't changed is underwriting and it is very strict right now.

4:25pm • #5
DEC
07
5 Featured Posts

Great stuff!  Thanks, G

1:46pm • #6

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