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luxury ocean front verandaI'm going to step on some toes with this one, but when I read a recent bit of advice by Jeffrey Gitomer, I was in such complete agreement, I knew I had to blog it! If you're not familiar with Jeffrey Gitomer and you're in any type of sales, you need to get familiar with Mr. Gitomer. His no-nonsense approach to sales training and advice is always on target. But sometimes when the arrow hits that target, it can make you want to strangle him, while at other times, it can make you want to grab the nearest phone so you can call him and say "thank you, thank you, thank you"!

Here in Port Orange (and the entire Daytona Beach area, all the way to Flagler), we get a small periodical that is amazingly chock-full of useful information. It's called the Volusia/Flagler Business Report. And the one thing I always look for ASAP, is the half-page article by Jeffrey Gitomer. And that's what brings me to this post.

I frequently get requests from other agents, for me to please update my personal information for their records. These requests are always via e-mail, and are usually wanting me to fill out some type of online form for what I assume is the individual's personal, online database. Now I want to make this crystal clear, to anyone who has ever sent, or plans to send me one of these requests. I will never fill out the form!

If you need to know why I will never fill out these requests for my personal information, it's because I don't trust an online database. You may think it's only for you, and that nobody else has access to this information; and you may be correct. But I'm not convinced. And I do not want anyone else to have my e-mail address.

(Warning - Mini Rant coming!) I despise spam! And since I'm already stepping on toes, I may as well drive it sun roomhome. My definition of spam is ANY e-mail which I did not specifically request, coming from someone who is trying to obtain business from me. Is that clear enough? Because I've certainly received plenty of these types of e-mail from other Rainers with whom I am NOT familiar! And yes, it ticks me off. And so I can make this crystal clear, I automatically send all spam (by my description) to my Outlook Junk Mail Folder. I don't even look at it, no matter what it is. (*Adding this line after some of your comments: I do look in the folder just to make sure it's not holding anything that is not actually spam.) And if it goes from one spam message, to repeated abuse, I reveal the headers and send it to the Federal Trade Commission. I know I'll never be able to stop all the spam, but I get a little bit of pleasure out of knowing that due to the Can the Spam Act, the law is on my side, and has the ability to charge a fine to the spammers. But I digress. Obviously, I feel very strongly about spam!

But back to the subject at hand... The e-mail requests for me to "update my information" via online databases. In Jeffrey Gitomer's latest column in the Volusia/Flagler Business Report, Jeffry titled his article "Don't ask customers to do your work - do it yourself!" In this article, Jeffrey addressed these e-mail requests for information updates. As I read it, I wanted to jump up and down and yell "YES!" over and over again.

Here are a few quotes from Jeffrey, regarding the requesting of information via e-mail...

  • "Stop the stupidity, stop the rudeness, stop the laziness. Update your own records."
  • "How do you think your customers perceive you as a sales professional when you do this?"
  • "Where's the value? Where's the professionalism?"
  • "What kind of an image of yourself and your work ethic are you sending to your customers and prospects?"
  • "Every action you take as a salesperson exposes you and how you conduct yourself as a sales professional."

In the remainder of Mr. Gitomer's article, he suggested that anyone in sales should come up with some ideas that would leave positive impressions on their customers, rather than "pathetic" ones. He also suggested that luxury housewe pick up the phone and make personal contact with our clients, customers, friends and family. After all, updating our databases is a valid and a really good opportunity to reconnect with many people that we need to talk to, if for no other reason than to let them know that we're still in the real estate business. Let's face it. In the last couple of years, many agents have been forced to find other jobs. The fact that we're still selling real estate deserves accolades... from those who are in our Contact Managers! So why not call and give them the opportunity to pat us on the back ;) We should call them just to chat for a while, and make sure they know we're still available for any of their real estate needs.

Jeffrey is right. Asking our clients to do a job that we should do is like announcing that we're lazy. So to finalize this post, I'll just use a couple more words from Jeffrey Gitomer. This is not a direct quote, but I did like his wrap-up. As we go into the new year, why don't we update our Contact Managers by making personal contact with everyone we know. This way, instead of a "delete", we just might leave them with a feeling of "delight".

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57 Comments on Do Your Own Work... And Reap the Rewards!

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Good morning Lisa,

Just wanted to take the time to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas.

6:49am • #1
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Great advice...I can really understand the point and it's a wonderful reminder---especially at this busy time of year when it's easy to slip!

6:49am • #2
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Hi Lisa-I read that as well and there is some awesome business advice throughout that publication!  I do sign up for too many things...and get spammed to death but I have to look through all my spam...often times..contact from Activerain goes straight to spam...why I don't know but it does!

6:49am • #3

I agree, pick up the phone and call your contact.  Have a conversation you just might get information that will lead to more business as well as updating your data base.  This is a relationship business, now more than ever.  Merry Christmas to you!

7:01am • #4
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You and I have something in common. It almost never fails that I start out on a subject , veer off a bit in the middle but always get back on message by the end. I am with you completely on this, my spam filter blocks over a 100 a day and my assistant has to (much more quickly than me) browse through and delete 98% because sometime things I need get caught.! It's the weak link in the information age and I grudgingly deal with it! *WHEW*

7:05am • #5

Gitomer is awesome!!!  Not sure I agree with your idea of spam but to each his/her own.   Great pics btw...

7:16am • #6
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I understand your concerns with the online database.

7:32am • #8
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Lisa, anything by Jeffrey Gitomer totally rocks!  I met him in person in D.C. quite a few years ago and religiously read his newsletter and have read all his books.

7:44am • #9
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Lisa, Imagine how much business a person could generate by calling everyone in their data base to update their records and say hello? I guess choosing to be efficient instead of smart can end up costing far more than it saves.  

7:59am • #10

Actually I don't mind these types of messages.  They just show how many ineffective agents there are.

Clearly the best source of business is making prospecting calls (that is actually talking to a person) to your sphere of influence, followed up by a handwritten note.

Don't worry about other agents wasting their time;  that makes them easier to beat.

10:34am • #11
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Lisa - even though I am a Real Estate Virtual Assistant and like to see things as automated as possible, I definitely agree with you that by sending out those Plaxo update notices and other systems, that agents miss out on a valuable "touch" opportunity with their clients.  Besides, while you're looking at that contact form, it prompts you to ask about "Little Mikey" and is he still playing soccer?  And how is his team doing this year anyway?  Definitely a time to get personal with your database and reinforce your relationships with them!

10:42am • #12
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I sure can't stand the calls and emails ...even from fellow agents who are sending me flyers for their current listings. I can find all that out IF my buyer is looking in their neighborhood..from our mls. It's irritating.

10:46am • #13
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Right on...I just delete them myself.

10:56am • #14
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Lisa, Thank you for your blog. It was very informative and had a lot of useful information. Thank you for sharing that with all of us. I hope you have a great day and Happy Holidays!

11:02am • #15

Lisa,

I think we have become so accustomed to the e-world that we automatically want to simplify whatever tasks we can.

I just replaced my cell phone and some of the numbers were not saved to my SIM card. So I sent out an email to my contacts asking them to please email me their phone numbers.  About 90% of them instantly replied back with the requested information.

Sometimes people -on both ends- are pressed for time and a little e-task is usually the quickest and most efficient way to get things done.  IMHO.

 

11:29am • #16
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As agents become more successful they tend to forget that this is a relationship business and later wonder why they are not getting referrals from their sphere.  Delegation is great for most items save contacting your sphere. 

It would be like hosting a cocktail party and having your assistant attend in your absence.  Think about that one for a bit....

11:32am • #17
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Hi Lisa,

This is a really interesting post.

I do see where you are coming from.

I also see that if you have a database of hundreds or thousands of people you can't possibly call every one.

I so agree that a personal contact goes a long way.

11:59am • #18
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Well I think the general point is well taken.  I, however, have never used online forms.  s for spam I don't see the big deal unless it is truly offensive i.e. Enlarge your penis in 10 days! etc.  Those make me mad.  I just delete what I don't want to read.  I will remember never to send you an email requesting referral networking.  I don't want to get fined.

12:14pm • #19
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Anyone who wants my e-mail address for just about anything is going to hit a brick wall.

 

12:23pm • #20
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Ending the reign of lazy agents is going to take FOREVER...they will always be out there..... that is why it is SO important to INTERVIEW agents BEFORE signing on the dotted line.....

Nice post, sis!!

 

1:07pm • #21
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Yes it is amazing how prolific spam has become, hard to believe people expect clients to update their data for them

1:43pm • #22
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Sally- I totally agree with you. I actually had that in the post too, but I deleted it lest I start a war. ;)

Bryant- Bingo! I think the vast majority of bloggers here, are all for technology. But there are some things that should maintain the personal touch.

MeLisa- I don't dispute these messages are quick and efficient. The issue was the loss of business by those who do not respond, or who do respond, but don't use you for future business. The personal conversation is what jogs their memory.

Everyone else. Thanks for the comments. It looks like the majority of us are all in agreement. We're proving we can be giant geeks, but still know when to use the personal touch =)

 

1:43pm • #23
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Yes, ma'am...you nailed it. Oh, by the way, I am going to email you a form...just kidding....Have a great holiday!

1:57pm • #24
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Hi Lisa~ I can see your point about the spam being aggravating.  Although, I do not mind email from activerainers at all.  Sometimes emails from people in the rain know exactly who you are because they have been reading your posts, even though you may not know them yet, especially if they are new to activerain.   Don't you think that some worthwhile relationships can begin by a simple email? 

2:07pm • #25
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I just have one quick question for you about your post.  Would you mind telling us how you REALLY feel about spam?  Just kidding!  I thought this was very well-done.

Kathy

2:32pm • #26

I know I'd rather get a phone call than an email any day. And since most of you are real estate agents, this would also be an excellent time to follow-up. See if they having any plans of moving, do you enjoy the area they live in, do you know anyone who may be thinking of moving type of conversation. Or better yet, you can use thst phone call as a thinking of you call. I'm sure they will appreciate that. I know I would.

2:44pm • #27
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Thanks for getting me thinking about this topic.  I guess if one had a data base of thousands they could hire a virtual assistant to make the calls. 

2:49pm • #28

That's so very true Christine. I just took on a client and all I do is follow-up with her past contacts and lead generation.

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very nice post and to the point. I am with you on the spam front . And updating your own records gives you a chance to actually think about things.

3:43pm • #30

Lisa,

Did you hear the thunder?  That's the sound of thousands of Active Rain agents applauding you!  Well said!

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6:20pm • #31

I'm glad to find other Jeffrey Gitomer fans.  I'm quite delighted that he's finally having a seminar near my home and I'm looking forward to seeing him. His philosophy is so sound, and so compatible with our company's business philosophy.

As for the person touch, Kathryn Alexander had a great post, "My 7 Secrets for Referrals", and what I learned is that she not only sends handwritten notes, she makes the cards herself.

So, between the two of you, I'm inspired to make the calls and send SASE with homemade cards to collect that missing information!

 

 

6:55pm • #32
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great post! i love gitomer's sales bible. I know this day and age the technology is requiring us to "input" more and more so that we can carry our information in the palm of our hands. Just wondering, Would you ignore the request of a client that sent you the same form???

7:21pm • #33
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I have no problem with the various technology since much of it makes my life much easier. For example, I'm using voice recognition software to over 100 comments today; I'm up to 128 and in your blog. Since I use technology to make my life easier, I don't mind if other people do, too.

I guess it just depends on your perspective, perhaps even what area of the country you live in. If I called someone and asked them to give me their current information over the phone, they'd probably hang up on me. Technology allows people to work at their own speed. I would not want anyone calling me to update personal information while I'm out at an inspection, and I can only do inspections in daylight, which is when most people work. So by having them send me a little email, I can provide them with my updated information at my leisure, which probably is going to be later that night or in the wee hours of the morning.

Best wishes for health, happiness, peace, and prosperity in 2009.

7:24pm • #34
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I'm with you a call to connect with your old customer is worth gold

7:39pm • #35
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Even as an agent we all hate getting spammed.  Asking for information is always a hard thing to do from people you don't know yet.  I think calling people is the best way to go.

8:24pm • #36
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Hi Lisa...Thank you for the suggestion.  It makes sense and certainly much more personalthan simply a form request for contact information.

Kate

8:51pm • #37
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We are with you -- in not filling out on line forms. Happy holidays. All the best.

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I agree, I hate spam and it is so time consuming to clean it out of your email.  Thanks for the Ling to JG I will check him out again, haven't looked at his stuff lately.

Merry Christmas

Debbie

10:37pm • #39
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Spam is evil!  I also consider emailed Christmas cards as spam.  Kind of a slap in the face, actually.

10:47pm • #40
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Lisa.... he makes some good points. This is my own personal opinion though... if I have done a mortgage for someone previously, I don't see the harm in sending an e-mail asking to update their info. But maybe I am just different. I do understand your rant about those that just spam through AR, asking you to joing groups and or update info...  in any case, Happy Holidays.

jeff belonger

12:36am • #41
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I use email every chance I get (not to spam).  You do make good point about the file updates.  Personal contact is still appreciated by those who value our services.  Happy Holidays

7:09am • #42
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I don't consider email spam unless it's unsolicited. I do send group emails to other agents IN OUR AREA who might be interested in a property.

7:19am • #43
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Hi Midori! I hate getting unwarranted emails too. I REAL sales person waill call me first (As I would them) and ask if it is ok to send me information periodically).  This is actually conjuring up thoughts of a blog I was going to write about connecting - then closing.  Anyway, I even emailed one guy and said, "do I know you?" and finally asked him to take me off his list. 

I always say to "engage" people, not "throw stuff" at them.

Merry Christmas!

10:50am • #44

Midodi -- I agree with you and the Plaxo update request -- I just delete them -- But I do take issue with your definition of spam -- Realtors are in the information business -- Are you saying that if you get a new listing flyer an agent put together and emailed to you with out asking you would be delete it?  This behavior has always puzzled me -- This agent has helped you do your job they have summed up there listing, give you the address, highlights of the property etc...  FREE information -  Effortless information -- Just my 2cents -- Best of luck in the new year -- JE

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Lisa,

I disagree with Jason. If an agent sends me an flyer with the property, it is not that he/she did a job for me, it is spam, because I was not expecting the agent to be sending me this information. I am in Daytona Beach, and I am getting such flyers from Orlando, Tampa, and even Key West.

So, how can they help me? And I donot need anyone to do the job for me in my area, as we have MLS for that person.

And the last. I was surprised to read that "Realtors are in the information business". Until now I thought that real estate is a business hepling buyers and seller in transacting real estate.

Any business uses infomation, but this does not make it "Information business". By that logic we wuld have to declare surgeons to be in cutlery business.

1:36pm • #46

I have all my mail sent through a gmail account.  I get 300 spam message a day (at least). I don't see more than 3 or 4 in my inbox and I never directly delete them.  If I get spam (and my definition is exactly like yours) I click gmails spam button. It only takes once or twice and it automatically goes into spam.  I think gmail uses this to determine what to automatically mark as spam.  My email address has been all over the internet since 1997 and I gave up a long time ago trying to defeat spam.  Gmail has saved me.

On the issue of reconnecting with past clients:  If it has been more than 18 months since your last transaction and they are on a do not call list you are on thin ice and subject to being fined.

 

8:07pm • #47
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I have certain email addresses that I use for "sign up" opportunities.  But, I do find I get a ton of spam through AR which I find disppointing.  It's so hard to stop.

8:31pm • #48
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I didn't read past your rant, sorry but if I was a customer and read this post I think I would find another agent. We're in the business of asking "may I help you" whether via e-mail, phone or in person. I don't spam either but what an opinion you have. Hope I don't step on your toes.

8:44pm • #49

Through Active Rain I get fake leads that are just solicitations for referrals.  I ALWAYS report them.  Usually I tell them I reported them. 

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Wow. So many comments and opinions. Yet, it still seems that about 85% of us are in agreement. I can't remember who wrote which comment (and it's now Christmas Eve), but I wanted to mention one thing. Those of you who said you couldn't call all the people in your contact manager because there are so many... Jeffrey Gitomer has a book that addresses that as well. If we have more than about 200 people in our contact managers (all of them obviously don't need a phone call right now), then we have too many people there. We're obviously not going to get business from 1,000 contacts! They need to be cleaned out if you haven't heard from them, or spoken to them in over a year.

I did recently sell a house to a woman who took 3 years before she bought. BUT, we maintained contact during that time. But if I hadn't heard from her in 3 years, she shouldn't be in my contact manager.

This leads me to the comments about the Do No Call list. We're risking a fine if we call someone to ask for business, if we have not maintained contact with them. But first of all, we shouldn't have gone that long without making contact, and second of all, I didn't say to call them and ask for business. I'm talking about just calling to say hello and maybe mention that you're still selling real estate. A good segeu might be to ask them what they're doing. I know what line of business my contacts are in, because I keep detailed notes in Outlook. So I could easily ask them if they're still working for "ABC Company", etc.

And to the person who said they'd be sure not to e-mail me for referrals. give me a break. "Nuff said.

Last but not least, by stating that I've been spammed by people here on AR, I meant that I had been spammed! Hands down, no question about it, it was spam. That's a far cry from e-mailing me for help, or referrals.

9:02pm • #51

 

You may want to look at this: https://www.donotcall.gov/faq/faqbusiness.aspx#who

A selection is below.

"What about an established business relationship?

A telemarketer or seller may call a consumer with whom it has an established business relationship for up to 18 months after the consumer's last purchase, delivery, or payment - even if the consumer's number is on the National Do Not Call Registry. In addition, a company may call a consumer for up to three months after the consumer makes an inquiry or submits an application to the company. And if a consumer has given a company written permission, the company may call even if the consumer's number is on the National Do Not Call Registry." (emphasis mine)

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It does not matter if you have maintained contact with them. It is NOT 18 months from last contact.  If they are in your contact manager for the purpose of possibly getting future business and you don't have a relationship with them aside from that you are out of luck. You can't find a safe haven by cliaming you are calling about something unrelated to business.  If you want an 'out' use a legal one.   See the sentence underlined above.  When your transaction is over and they are really appreciating you ask for written permission to call in the future.

Note that is 'transaction'.  If it was an inquiry that didn't result in a transaction - you have 3 months.

I don't like spam but I can deal with it.  I can be downright nasty when I get a call of any kind soliciting business and I can see right through the ones that act buddy buddy like I should know them.  Send me a letter.   On the other hand - don't send me a fax.  That will tick me off even more than a phone call...but at least there (if you can find them) you can make their life hell with the laws that are in place.  

 

 

 

 

 

9:35pm • #52
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Paul- Many of us make friends out of our clients. For friendship, we can feel free to call. It's not fake. It's genuine. I've met enough people around here to know that many agents become friends with their clients.

1:11am • #53

Lisa,

That is true, we do.  Unless we are making contacts with people that consider US friends it is a business call.  I never said any of them were 'fake'.  But,  I don't need a contact manager to remember to call my frends. Besides, if they are my friends, sometimes they call me.

 

 Just remember that many people feel about business phone calls the way we do (I do) about spam. 

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Many Happy Holidays to you...

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Lisa - it may be a bit off topic, but it reminds me of agents who try to get me to do their work all along the transaction - ' you make the changes to the contract' but it was their contract to begin with and they want me to rewrite it?? You know the type. They're the ones who send emails like that :) You won't get one of those from me.

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I think you have an interesting perspective. On the one hand people want all the benefits of new technology but they don't want the problems as defined by themselves that also come with that new technology. One person's trash is another person's treasure.

I like when someone sends me an Internet request to update my information. When they quit doing that, I'll know that my services aren't required anymore. I'm kind of like Kevin Bacon in "Will & Grace" (loosely quoted): "When people quit stalking me, I'll know I'm old news."

The most priceless time of the day for me as a home inspector are the daylight hours since I generally cannot do home inspections in the darkness. I would hate for 5,000 Realtors to call me during any one month to get updated information -- I wouldn't have time to do home inspections, and then they wouldn't be calling me anymore. By them sending me an email request, I can meet that request on my own schedule, which usually is during hours of darkness.

I summarily delete most of my spam (viagra, Canadian medicines, online sex and gambling, etc.), but since my other business is a Marketing & Business Consulting company, I do sometimes skim through to see what kind of new "marketing" techniques are creeping up on the Internet.

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