When it comes to fireplaces in San Diego, there seem to be two kinds of home buyers:

  1. those who are buying a home with a fireplace, and
  2. those who are buying a home without a fireplace but "we can put a fireplace right there."

Fireplace technology has advanced tremendously since the ages when we would build this huge brick fireplace and chimney. Today we can buy free-standing fireplaces, also known as Franklin Stoves (named after Benjamin Franklin), and direct-vent fireplaces. Most direct-vent fireplaces here run on gas and have a solid glass window that cannot be opened since exhaust gases are vented directly to the exterior. They look like the following; notice that there are no glass doors to open.


Direct-vent fireplace



When this type of fireplace is first started, because the glass window is solid and cannot be opened, one will often see the glass get fogged, like that shown in the following two pictures.


Fogged glass on a direct-vent fireplace          Fogged glass on a direct-vent fireplace


According to Mr. Dale Feb, Executive Director of the Fireplace Investigation, Research, and Education Service of Moorpark, California, the white film includes sulfuric acid. All fossil fuels produce sulfur during the combustion process, and when the sulfur mixes with moisture from humidity in the air, sulfuric acid is produced. Consequently, the white film (acid) can permanently etch the glass, resulting in permanently fogged glass; thus, the glass should be removed and cleaned on a regular basis if it fogs regularly. The amount of fogging and sulfuric acid produced will depend on the quality of the gas that your local utility produces.


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8 Comments on Fogged glass on direct-vent fireplaces

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Very interesting fact about the glass being permanently fogged.  I did not know about that.  The quality of the gas, thats very interesting.  So the better quality the gas the longer it takes for the glass to be permanently stained??

9:35pm • #1
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Russel, I have seen this in some homes I have shown, but I had never known what the cause of it was.

9:40pm • #2

Informative blog RR, didn't put the acid produced and the fogging of the glass together.  Thanks.

11:48pm • #3
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Hey, Morgan.

What I understand is that some gas companies "scrub" their gas to remove impurities and add different amounts of other impurities so that you can smell the gas better when it leaks. It's the type of amount of those impurities that can affect the amount of sulfuric acid that is produced.

3:46am • #4
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Hmm Ok. Now I know. Thanks Russel - I always wondered why it would fog. Ours doesn't do it often but I have noticed homes that I have been sometimes do. And I have had buyers ask why does it do that only to tell them that I do not know the answer to that. Thanks for posting the answer!

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Hey, Valerie.

Glad I could help.

Readers should know that I am available 24/7 to answer questions about any real estate topic, either by phone or email.

5:41pm • #6
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Russel, Could I be mistaken, but isn't glass impervious to acid. I believe they store acid in glass bottles.

9:48am • #7
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Hey, James.

Yes. And no. You're not the first one to ask that question.

When it comes to glass, glass is not glass is not glass.

Glass comes in many varieties, as I'm sure you know just from the fact that you're a home inspector and probably note when tempered or safety glass is not present in those floor-to-ceiling windows and sliding glass doors.

The best way to ship acid would be in a diamond container, but that, of course, is not feasible. Glass is mass produced, cheap, and relatively stable in the short term, so that is the best shipping method.

As a home inspector, ever see an old window in a building about 100 years old? If you have, you know that glass, while considered a solid, flows like a liquid, albeit very slowly. One of the reasons it does that is because glass is a product, not an element.

Depending on the type of glass and its uses, glass can include varying amounts of silica (the main ingredient), aluminum oxide, antimony oxide, barium, boron, calcium oxide, cerium oxide, iron, lanthanum oxide, lead, magnesium oxide, sodium carbonate, sodium chloride, sodium sulfate, thorium oxide, and others.

So the glass in my glasses will be different from the glass I drink out of, the glass on my sliding glass door, the glass in my car windshield, and the glass on the direct-vent fireplace.

The glass that acid is typically shipped in, and stored in laboratories, is Pyrex, a special type of glass produced by Corning Laboratories way back in the early 1900s I believe it was.

Pyrex was made from borosilicates which gave it a higher degree of shock resistance so that the bottles of acid would not break under normal shipping conditions in those horse and buggies or Model T's with no suspension systems, no independent axles, and no nicely paved highways.

Pyrex is still used in laboratories throughout the world and as with tempered glass have a tempered seal on it, Pyrex will have the Pyrex seal on it.

If you've ever seen a jar of acid that has been sitting for three or four decades in a glass container, you'll notice that the glass below the liquid line is foggy, and the glass above the liquid line is clear.

So while I hope the glass front of a direct-vent fireplace is tempered glass, I'm 99.9% sure that it won't be Pyrex.

By the way, tempered glass usually is created by a thermal process, not a chemical process. There is one chemical processm, though, that replaces the sodium ions in the glass with larger potassium ions, causing the glass to compress and become stronger.

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