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For the past several weeks there has been a lot of exposure about the "next wave" of foreclosures that will be a result of Alt-A and Option ARM loans resetting.  I was glad to see that 60 Minutes did a feature about this as the volume of loans that will reset and are at risk of foreclosure over the next four years will trump the sub prime tsunami that made land-fall in 2007 and 2008.  This is a problem that is not going to go away and as such, needs to be accounted for when debating how soon the real estate market and broader economy is going to hit a bottom.

But just recently I stumbled upon an even more alarming set of data; the data about the number of homes that have negative equity, in other words, the home is worth less than what is owed on it.  And while there is certainly some overlap between mortgages resetting as in the 60 Minutes piece, and those mortgages that are "under water", the aggregate of the two is alarming none the less, especially when you consider the direction and speed of the economy over the past quarter.  

Les Christie of CNNMoney.com, who I have been really impressed with, talks about this phenomenon in an article he wrote on October 31, of 2008.  His article details that approximately 7.5 million homeowners are underwater with another 2.1 million on the brink of being so. 

The usual victims of this phenomenon are CA, AZ, NV, FL, MI, and OH, no big surprises there.  What was surprising is that according to the data provided by First American Core Logic, 23.2% of homeowners in Georgia, 18.3% in Colorado, 17.2% in New Hampshire, and 16.5% in Texas were also considered to be underwater and have negative equity.  In other words, the places where a lot of people have moved to within the past two years.

The best quote from the article is when Mark Fleming, the chief economist for First American Corelogic said, "Being underwater doesn't necessarily mean that you can't pay your bills, but it's a necessary condition of default."  In other words, those homeowners who are underwater are "pre-disposed" to default because they are unable to refinance or sell their home should they need to without bringing outside capital to the table. 

Compounding this phenomenon is the fact that based on the current supply of housing which stands at a historic 11.2 month's supply in November (source: NAR), home value declines will continue well into 2009 and 2010.

 

 

 
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10 Comments on Are these negative equity numbers right?

DEC
27
2008
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Notwithstanding all that, NAR also reported a seasonally adjusted 4.9 million homes selling in 2008. That's not "being put up for sale," that's being sold, as in successfully closing escrow and title to the property changing hands.

If one can't get a piece of that market, then one doesn't understand marketing and customer service. I see a worsening economy -- quoting President-elect Obama: "It will get worse before it gets better." -- but that doesn't mean that there aren't buyers buying from sellers selling with banks financing.

Best wishes for health, happiness, peace, and prosperity in 2009.

6:16pm • #1
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Mark, the value of the home is in the lifestyle and stability. Although I am significantly underwater the house in Florida, I just purchased another in California. I don't want to pay my landlord's payments for him.

6:36pm • #2
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Mark, It is just the tip of the iceberg as many assett managers I talk to selling foreclosures tell me they are getting more files then they are closing. Some need a week to 10 days to respond to an initial offer and unless the offer is within the  1st margin then they simply send it back and wait as they go to the next file!

I tell my clients to write decent starting offers as the banks won't waste their time with "low ball" offers as they are concerned with recouping losses however one can always "roll the dice" when buying! Nice post.

6:57pm • #3
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If these people dont have to sell their homes in the near future, even if the house isnt worth what they owe on it, then why would it be an issue.  If there is growing unemployment then we will see which owners are the ones in real trouble

7:11pm • #4
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I just read a post that pretty much stated that if we believe the market and economy will be better in 2009, then it will be.  I needed to come here so I could shake off the ether and reconnect with reality.  Thanks, Mark!

Happy New Year! Make the very best of it.

7:38pm • #5
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Jim:  Thanks for your comment.  The new number as of November is actually 4.5 million.  I agree that the economy is going to get worse before it gets better and that despite this, there are still going to be home sales.  The bigger picture though is that there are millions of Americans that are in financial trouble as a result of this housing depression and as a result, the broader economy will contract.

Vickie:  Thanks for your comment, but I think Americans see their home for more than stability and lifestyle - nobody wants to buy ANYTHING today that is going to be worth less in the next 12-24 months.

Michael:  I agree this is the tip of the iceberg.  Foreclosures have a cascading effect on surrounding property values.  This is a deck of cards.

Morgan:  There are three issues with home being under water:

First, as you pointed out, unemployment is on the rise.  If somebody loses a job, they won't be able to sell their home even if they wanted/needed to.

Second, there is a "wealth affect" that impacts one's consumption if they owe more than their house is worth.  This negatively affects their financial and consumption psychology.

Third, depending on how far their home value declines, it is entirely possible they will simply walk away from the property.  People who bought a home in 2005 in California could have lost 50% of the value of their home.  This could take decades to recoup.  The perception is why would somebody pay on a 500K mortgage when the home is only worth 250K?  I'm not saying it's a good thing, I am saying that this is happening.

Amanda:  I don't want to be the one playing the piano as the titanic sinks. :)

Happy New Year to you too - I am looking forward to a great year for business in spite of the economy and housing market which will be dreadful.

 

9:37pm • #6
DEC
28
2008
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Mark, This is where discipline must take place. If you have a fixed mortgage, you have to stand pat and keep living in the home you chose. You might have to live in the same house for 7 years for the market to come back and to make your profit. You can't live in a house for 2 years and make big money as you could a couple of years ago...

1:43am • #7
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Paul:  I agree completely - you are preaching to the choir.  We bought a home to live in in 2006 in Phoenix - and are still paying on it. :)

But in reality, there are going to be people who are walking away from their homes because they are paying on a loan that is maybe 200-300K more than their home is worth.

As the article says, negative equity is a pre-condition for default.  Not everybody is going to walk away or have a foreclosure, but those that have negative equity are "at risk" - which is really the point that I wanted to make with this post.

7:53am • #8
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Mark, I've seen statistics that point to as many as 12 million homes underwater. Whatever the number, it's a problem; and unemployment will continue to climb for some months, making the foreclosure problem even worse.

 

1:56pm • #9
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Hi John,

It's good to hear from you again. :)

I agree that whatever the number is, it's too many, and unfortunately it is going to get worse before it gets better.

2:14pm • #10

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