Sometimes in the real estate business, you don't work for money. Sometimes you know there is no  justification to keep going with a client. And for reasons that no one understands but you, you decide to help the one that appears to be hopeless.

You think that maybe this is the way a doctor must feel when he tries to save the life of the guy who has no health insurance. 

You do it because it is what you do.

THE WORST CLIENT

Last spring Deborah the Realtor sent me her "worst" potential buyer for a pre-approval.

"Worst" as defined by this: credit score barely above 500, single mom, bankruptcy, divorce, no assets and hopelessly "needy" (relentless calls, visits and e-mails).

Realtors must believe this works as some sort of test for a mortgage professionalAs in, " You want some business from me? HA! See if you can get THIS ONE done.  "

This is not a complaint. Just a reality from my perspective. I welcome ALL opportunities to strut my stuff and bond with a potential referral partner. So it came to pass that I welcomed Deborah's client "Alana" (not her real name) with open arms, but a closed mind.

ADVICE? RUN AWAY FROM THIS ONE AS FAST AS YOU CAN

I asked the powers in my office what they thought about Alana's file.

Their advice? RUN, Janet, RUN. In the other direction. Forget the Realtor. She knows this is a "CRAP FILE".

Did I forget to mention she was already working with another mortgage broker who was "IGNORING" her? (I wonder why)....

I was able to use this as my excuse to tell Alana and Deborah I could not work on her file because she was already involved with another lender. Secretly pleased, I moved Alana's file into the "DEAD FILE" drawer. I told Deborah I could not help Alana.

Within only a few weeks, Alana came home to roost. She had fired her old mortgage broker so I could work on her file.

Swell. Her relentless calls rained down until I pulled the file out of the dead drawer to look it over.

A STRATEGY (MAYBE) AND AN ANGRY REALTOR (FOR CERTAIN)

Without subprime, my only hope would be to bring her credit score up to the 580 required by my FHA lenders. And so as the summer began, I spent hours analyzing how to repair her credit. I gave her an assignment to pay down, and pay off some messy old debts. I figured she would never be able to come up with the money.

I placed the file in my "INACTIVE" drawer, assuming I would never hear from Alana again.

To my surprise, she scrimped. She saved. She wiped out the debts. Within a month, she was back with all of the accounts brought current or paid off, her assignment completed.  Her credit scores cleared the magic 580, and we submitted the file to the bank.

I already knew I would never be able to justify the many hours spent on Alana's file by the money I would make (IF the file every closed!). But then Alana managed to destroy the one justification I had for working with her: to show Deborah that I could close an impossible file and get future business from her office.

Alana insisted I call "her Realtor" to tell her the good news about the score improvement. She had not mentioned Deborah in 3 months. Deborah had not called me in 3 months, thinking the file was dead. Alana had interacted with many other Realtors while shopping for a house during those months.

My unfortunate response was, "You mean Deborah, right?"  This was my clumsy attempt to make sure Deborah was the ONLY Realtor Alana would be using. But it could have been worded so much better.

With a great amount of scorn and indignation she replied "Why would you EVER EVEN suggest I use another Realtor? You know I am loyal to the people who help me!!!!!"

Uh-oh. Then and there I knew I had said the wrong thing. Deborah's broker was on the phone to me later that day with a very stern lecture about allowing the client to think she could "switch Realtors". All I could do was apologize.

AT THE ABSOLUTE LOW POINT: WHAT REASON IS THERE TO KEEP GOING?

I was forced to re-evaluate my involvement with Alana. I had $300 of my own money invested in repairing her credit. I had hours and hours of time invested. My owner was mad at me for even working on the file when he had told me to run. Deborah's owner was mad at me for allowing Alana to think she could use a different company.

One other tiny little problem? Lenders who once had said they would take a 580 score were now saying they wanted a 600 score. Two lenders had already turned her down.

I was at a low point. I desperately wanted to cut the cord to let Alana find a different mortgage broker. If ever there was a time to fold your cards, this was it.

There was just one problem. Well, maybe two problems.

  1. Alana believed in me.
  2. Somewhere, way in the back of my mind, I was starting to like Alana. Her persistence. Her loyalty. Her determination.

It was a miserable, hot August day, and my frustration couldn't have been higher, nor my confidence lower. She must have sensed I was nearly defeated when she said this:  "You know, you and I are going to be together this December, gazing at my Christmas tree, sipping champagne, and making a toast to the first house I ever own."

And just like that, I was in.

Justification not required.

 

 

Part 2, click here: The champagne ending. How Alana got her house against all the odds.

 

Written by Janet Guilbault, Mortgage Lending Specialist Based Out of the San Francisco Bay Area

 

 
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49 Comments on Never Say Never: How One Hopelessly Unqualified Buyer Won Me Over, And Got Her House

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Janet, sometimes the tough files are the most rewarding. They tend to be "loyal" and bring you repeat business. I presume from this that the next installment will have photos of you sharing champagne at one of her holiday parties.

2:31pm • #1
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I'm glad that you were able to help "Alana", but you also have to look at the loyalty that she has shown you.  Will she be hurt if she refers someone to you that you also cannot/should not help?  What will you do then?

2:37pm • #2

It is interesting how usually you 'know when to say no and run' but sometimes even though you know it's one of those situations, you just can't say no.  And you don't run.  It may or may not end up being worth it in the end but it sounds like this time it was.

2:41pm • #3

Janet,

Wow!!! I am so impressed...you mirrored MY OWN experience with a very wonderful client...simply mirrrored my experience! And a while back HE too said to me, "just think about this, this time next year we'll be laughing in my back yard...you, me, your husband and kids and my wife and kids...at a cookout w/ losts of really good food and drink...thinking of all the struggles that it took to get me into this house" and already the referrals have been coming in from this wonderful client.

Can't wait to hear about your "Champagne Ending"!

2:51pm • #4
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Two morals in this story.

"Never give up".

and

"Ya dance with the guy that brung ya".

 

2:51pm • #5
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I have worked with people like this as well. I am sure you felt great when it was all over not because it was a pain in the neck but because you had accomplished something great and helped someone who needed it in the process.

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Eric: Alana has already referred me her own mother. What a high compliment. But nothing is a bigger compliment than just knowing someone believes you can do it, and completely trusts that you can.

There is nothing that gives you a greater motivation to succeed.

Belief like that can move mountains. Seriously.

3:22pm • #7
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Weichert: That is one very good reason that you edit out clients like this. So that does not happen. But Alana was not a flake that associated with other flakes. She was someone very deserving who had a string of bad luck.

And as to what I would do if this happens to me again? One of my goals is to be a much more ruthless editor of deals that are not money makers. In this case, I really was (at first) only moving forward to bond with the real estate company.

When that blew up in my face, I had to soul search why I couldn't just walk away.

That is when I realized how much I admired Alana.

3:26pm • #8
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Jenn: Worth it in the financial sense? No. Worth it because you made someone's life so much better because of sticking it out and helping them?

Priceless.

3:28pm • #9
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Rebecca: Yeah, call me a sucker. I completely fell for her vision of Christmas in her very own house because I had figured out how to make it happen. I still can't believe I bit on that bait without even thinking.

Having that kind of heart does not mean you are the best business person, I know.

I am glad you had a happy ending!

3:30pm • #10
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Lenn: LOL

There are lots of morals to this never ending story. Seriously, I could write at least 10 posts about "My year with Alana".

But there is a bigger moral that is very applicable to the times we live in. It is: You can do the thing that is best for you (financial justification) or you can do the thing that is best for the client (moral justification).

When you make decisions based on what is best for the client, the financial rewards will come.

3:35pm • #11
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Bill: You always forget the labor pains when you hold the baby.

In my book, this was my most fulfilling transaction of the year. And the one I made the least money on.

3:37pm • #12
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To me the fact that she scrimped and saved and did what she needed to do says something about her character that is worth sticking around for. Bad things happen to everyone.  Whether or not your climb out of that hole and get back on track says something about your personal character. 

So maybe, just maybe..someone out there in the internet world will read this post and realize what a gem you are, give you a call, and purchase 15 properties with you as the broker.  Something good will come out of this experience.  It may take a while, but it all works out in the end.

3:40pm • #13
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Hi Janet...This story simply exemplifies why you are in the mortgage business and why others of us are REALTORS.  Our ultimate goal is to make a difference.  Sometimes it really happens.

Kudos.

Now for Chapter Two.

Kate

P.S.  I wish this was featured.

7:19pm • #14
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Janet - congratulations on your persistance! It would have been SO easy to give up on this gal. I'd say you have a Client For Life.

8:19pm • #15
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Good for you and Alana. So many times the Alans don't listen. It proves you know what your are doing. Hopefully the next Alana will listen too. Kudos.

10:32am • #16

Great story!  You went above and beyond the call of duty for this client!  A great example of how tenacity and perseverance pays off for both you and your client!  I look forward to your follow-up blog!

10:33am • #17
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Janet,

Congratulations on helping your client achieve this.

I will never bet against a person who has this: "Her persistence. Her loyalty. Her determination."

10:35am • #18
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Great post. I enjoyed reading all of your post, and looking forward to reading part 2.  Hurry!

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I love this, Janet!  A few years ago I referred a buyer (with similar characteristics) to a loan officer and she worked so incredibly hard that I am forever loyal to her -- I don't recommend ANYONE ELSE.  Like you, she enjoyed helping buyers who were truly motivated.  Even though it doesn't pay the mortgage, it is a great feeling knowing that you were able to help someone make their dreams a reality!

10:49am • #20
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Congratulations, that is a wonderful story. I have had a couple of clients that took a very long time to buy and for very little pay. But, I get pictures of their grandkids and they tell their friends that I am the only Realtor they should even consider calling!

11:05am • #21

WOW!! I am impressed!! I am always for the underdog the reason being sometimes their appreciation of home ownership is very rewarding. Please never give up on any client you never know about why they got in the situation and until you walk in their shoes always believe!!

               Tinker

11:12am • #22
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Never quit.  The minute you quit is the minute you fail.

11:22am • #23

Janet,

  I will try to make this short, but I doubt it. When I was 18, I pursued a career as a mechanic. Now I did not want to be a grease monkey, so I went to college for automotive tech. I worked for a guy who was a real mechanic. Most mechanics would just replace parts, or if it was a serious problem with the car they would turn down the repair job. The man I worked for would have us rebuild everything, nothing got sent to other shops, like transmissions etc. He did not do this to make more money, he did this because he knew he could do it just as well or better. Anyway, he would tell us " You want to be a mechanic, then you will fix a car from bumper to bumper, and do it right."

We would fix problems on cars that the dealer had turned away. We even took apart the little switches for the power windows and fix them for $5.00 instead of having the client buy a new one for $40.00, this was in the early 80"s when switches where metal.

Now most people will say, just turn it down and do the easy ones, and that was true in the car business, also. But you know what, we had more business in that little shop then we could handle. We had more letters posted on the wall, then you could imagine. All out of referrals and reputation.

Anyway, that little saying has worked for me in my life. I even use it on my wife who is a teacher. I tell her you want to be a real teacher, then bumper to bumper, not just the smart ones.  The smart ones are the easy ones to teach. Take the kid who is slow or has a behavior problem and teach them, and she does.

Every school year she has a line of parents who want their kid in her class.The only draw back is many of the other teachers dislike her, because they had the student and could not do a thing with that student. Kind of like the car dealer who could not fix the problem car, right?   Or the mortgage lender who could not get someone a loan. 

It looks like to me you are a real mortgage lender. Happy New Year and a great 2009.

JohnP

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Wow what a great story and happy New Year to you and Deborah. Gosh that was quite a story and the other post was too.

When someone is that determined to get their credit cleared up it shows they are motivated. Hopefully it will bring lots of referrals to you from Deborah for her friends and family.

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What a great part 1 of the story.  And you tell it so well :)  Alana was very fortunate to have gotten in touch with you, because if she had not, she'd probably still have a credit score around 500.

11:53am • #26

Wonderful stry Janet, great job!

Have a fantastic New Year!

12:07pm • #27
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These clients make the BEST referral sources.

I have had people in the pipeline for a year

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John P: I almost cried when I read your bumper to bumper comment. I really encourage you to copy that comment and make it into a post. It is so very inspiring to know what shaped someone's beliefs, and your story is very special. Coming from the car business, your analogy hit home.

I guess bumper to bumper coverage is a good thing, and something we should all look for when we hire a professional.

What a wonderful teacher your wife must be!

 

2:16pm • #29
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Melina: Your optimism and compliments always mean so much to me. Thank you for being a loyal reader and a supporter of most everything my crazy mind spews out. I wrote this post much more for all of the other professionals in the business who might need to remember WHY we we do what we do.

And because there is alot to be learned from someone like an Alana who believes so strongly, that she actually made it happen. Who would have thought?

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Kate: Wish granted. Someone featured this one. Thank you!

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Meyer: One problem is that I am new to working with clients like this. Even during the subprime boom I had no subprime clients. My clients came from the auto leasing business where I worked for 20 years. People who lease cars are not the Alanas of the world.

Of course people leasing cars are not OUT of the market to do anything with real estate. No jumbo money, no stated income loans.

I worked with more first time buyers last year than ever before. But it was a learning process. And most with the credit situation of Alana would not even dare to dream they could qualify.

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Sharon: Alana literally would not let me give up on her. She is the one who should be rewarded for persistance. I was just the sucker who wanted the champagne and the Christmas tree on a day when you could fry an egg on the sidewalk.

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Missy: Most people like Alana are not that determined. But she had some hardships that showed me she was not a flake, just someone who had some rough breaks. She was deserving, but deserving does not win an approval.

It just means someone like me is willing to keep plugging away with the belief that it will happen.

Alana had a wonderful attitude from day one. I came to enjoy her calls, and she became less needy as her confidence in me grew. I never expected to bond with her.

It was a really amazing closing and right at Christmas, just as she had envisioned. There is definately something to think about in this post, huh? Something about holding on tight to your dream.

2:48pm • #34
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Kerry: I am hoping that closing this loan will result in doing more transactions with Deborah and her office. I am never certain the Realtor in the transaction knows what goes into a loan like this.

It was one of the reasons I wrote it.

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Mark: Yes, those 3 traits were what finally made me realize something: If she could hang in there, then so could I. Customers like this make the struggle worthwhile.

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Mike B:Have a good year! Glad you liked this story.

Tom: Better a full pipeline that one that is leaking because it is broken.

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I wonder how Alana would feel at being referred to as "hopelessly needy."  The whole tone of your feeling about her seems to be of her as a "bad mistake you made" even though you (grudgingly?) come to admire her. 

Did you say that to her face "Alana, you are hopelessly needy?"  Would you say it to her face?

Oh well, congratulations on getting the job done. 

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Karen: Actually Alana herself used to make fun of the fact she needed to call me about 5 times a day, asking the same questions again and again. At first I found this terribly annoying but by the end I loved hearing her voice and talking to her. Eventually she came to trust that I would be calling her, at least once a day to update her, even if there was no news to report. So her neediness slacked off, and we developed a great working relationship.

 I would never ever call any person a bad mistake. Ever. But I will admit this: without her "neediness" (or persistance) I would have never kept going. Thank God she was needy enough to keep the faith, and keep me going!

This post is not about judging people who have "bad" credit, although this is what you insinuate. I was reluctant to work with her because of the time investment required for a loan that (on the surface) had almost no chance of ever closing.

 

 

 

7:22pm • #39

I love this story!  Thanks for sharing.

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I think part of the problem that our economy is in is because we have put people inot home that simply shouldn't be in homes. I hope that you have not done this with Alana. Let's face it if people don't pay their bills (hence the low credit scores) and we put them in a home then we wonder why a year (or less later) why they are being foreclosed on. Just a thought.

8:18pm • #41

This is a great story, especially at this time of year. Kudos to you...and the buyer!

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I love this story!  People like this make our business worth doing, even when we don't make a lot of money.  Good job, Janet!

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Janet, I never insinuate.  I found it offensive that you called her needy because she needed to call you multiple times - you said "helplessly needy." 

I made no comment at all about her credit - my comment was strictly based on the tone of your post - which started out saying how terrible this client was....the "worst client."

I was looking at your blog from a the perspective of a potential customer.

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Karen: Not helplessly needy. Hopelessly needy. Subtle difference, but just the same, there is a difference.

I am sorry you find this offensive. I never used the word terrible either. In fact, the only reason I used the word "worst" is to illustrate how Realtors "test" mortgage brokers by sending a challenging client, not the easy client with a 750 score that ANY mortgage broker could easily approve.

"Tone", as you have used it to describe this post, is your interpretation of what has been written by me.

I doubt that any client with a 512 credit score would be offended by this post. Do you think somehow a person in this credit situation has the false impression they are easy to qualify? That they are prime candidates for a mortgage?

In my career I have often found credit challenged applicants to be needy. Needy is not a bad word. Someone critically ill is more needy than someone who is healthy. So what?

 

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Hi Janet,  This is so cool.  As I read I was rooting for both of you to win!  Off to read part two...

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Charles: And that is a good thought and a good comment. FHA loans are not subprime loans as our very own FHA expert, Jeff Belonger would tell you.

If I really felt Alana was someone who would be a foreclosure statistic, I would not have forged forward.

Lender guidelines are so tight at this moment, that it is hard to imagine anyone becoming qualified that would default.

Alana had a poor score because of circumstances I would not feel comfortable revealing in this post. However, those circumstances and her struggles had nothing to do with her being a flake...someone who spends money recklessly and does not pay bills.

Having said this, she still needed to fall within very strict guidelines for income, debt, and credit score.

 

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I understand.  Sometimes, you just need to do the right thing for somebody against all odds.

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Christine: And sometimes you don't exactly make the decision. It just sort of develops and one day you realize you can't turn back.

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