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I've run across so many so-called SEO companies here in Myrtle Beach that it actually makes me ashamed to be in the business sometimes.  I've seen some people on Active Rain that are attempting to pass themselves off as SEO experts and they are far from it.  We've got an SEO/web design company here that is actually using their regular web customers to rank their SEO customers with hidden links!  It seems to get worse everywhere, every day and harder for you to know how to choose a legitimate real estate website SEO company.

I've probably given out more free advice in the 5 years that I've been in this business than all the work I've been paid to do.  I think Diann Tonnesen, who has the number one Las Vegas real estate website, and Annette Smith who ranks for all her Sarasota, Siesta Key and Longboat Key search terms will confirm this fact.  They have never been my clients.  But they're long time friends and "group consultants" that have given me ideas as well as had me for answers to their questions the whole time we've known each other.  There are other agents all over the place that I've coached and spent time on the phone with because I like to be helpful and friendship benefits us all in the long run.

I've gotten more than a handful of Myrtle Beach real estate sites to the top of Google for the main key phrases.  I've had clients in other states and even in other professions such as photography. I try to train my clients how to do the things necessary to stay there because they can't afford to pay the prices I have to charge indefinitely.  Some do what is needed and some don't.  Most of the sites stay on the first page, but without a blog that is kept current, they won't stay on the top.  I've only worked for a few people here on the beach, but  I don't think there is a Realtor in this town that hasn't heard of me or the companies I've worked with.  The search engines have been my all consuming interest since about 2002-2003.  It's all I do.  It's all I think about.  I'm not a realtor, have no family here, don't do IDX work...I just create websites or SEO certain ones that are built correctly. I produce results and LEADS.  I'm a robot! :-)

But I can't work for 5 or 10 Realtors in the same town at the same time.  It's unethical and probably impossible.  Any SEO company that tries to do this is NOT an ethical SEO company.  If you contact the SEO person who actively works for your competitor and he happily agrees to work for you too, you need to run - not walk - in the opposite direction.

Here is my best advice for choosing an SEO company to give your hard-earned money to.  My first piece of advice is to go with one of the high profile companies like Bruce Clay Inc or even Real Estate Webmasters. They are going to cost a lot of money.  But if your area is competitive in real estate, you will have to pay a good bit anyway...and it will take a good bit of time for a brand new website.  Six months to a year right now seems to be the average time it takes to rank in the top 5 for "your city real estate".  If you've had your site for a year or so and are just now wanting to rank it, chances are it will be quicker and easier.

If you can't pay those prices and want to find someone local, then this is what I recommend that you do:

1.  Search Google for your city and real estate SEO.  See if there are any sites that rank at the top for that, and read what their website has to say.  Do they talk about "submitting your site to the search engines monthly? Do they brag about having a "link service"?  If so, go to the next one.  Do they offer tips and information on the website that convince you they know what they're doing?  Do they readily admit that it takes 6 months or more to rank a new site? Do they offer blog training?  Mention the social sites as a method of building links?  If so, you may have a legitimate SEO expert.  Look at their portfolio and make sure they have some prior customers that rank highly.  Don't take their word for it.  Go to the site, look at the title, use some common sense about what YOU would type into Google if you were looking for that product.  If a website for Palm Beach Florida Real Estate is nowhere to be found for that term, but ranks well for "luxury homes for sale in Palm Beach", that's not good enough!  Anyone can take a specific 5 word phrase and rank for it with a few links.  That is one of the oldest and nastiest tricks these fly-by-night SEO companies use.  Go to Wordtracker's Keyword Tool and look up the city.  That will tell you what the most competitive keywords are.  Be sure their customers rank for the right ones.

2.  When you've done the research, contact the company/person on the phone.  If they are in India or overseas, you'll find that out fast.  Walk away.  I'm sure there are some legitimate SEO companies overseas.  But you have no way to investigate them, and no recourse if they take your money and run. Yes, they are cheap.  Would you cash a check for someone you've never met that lives in Nairobi?  No? Then don't put your most precious business asset in the hands of someone like that either.  Make sure they are in the US.  Check the Better Business Bureau in their city.  Google the name of the company and find out if there are any complaints about them.  These ripoff companies are usually all over the internet with complaints and accusations.

Link Directories Are Not Cool

Reciprocal Link Directories are a thing of the past and can actually hurt your rankings now...especially in Yahoo.

3.  Ask them to explain to you in a very basic way what they do to rank a site.  If they say they start with on-page optimization, create a blog, bring your site links from articles and social sites, submit to a few of the legitimate directorys such as Yahoo and DMOZ, and have some partner sites that you can network with, then they are probably on the up-and-up. Again, refer to number 1 above.  If they talk about building a reciprocal link directory on your site and charging you by the month to obtain link trades...again, walk away and try another one.  They should not say that they build pages on their sites or even yours that redirect to your site.  No hidden text or funny cloaking tricks.  Try to find out as much as you can, and ask other Realtors what they think.

4.  ASK FOR REFERENCES AND CHECK THEM.  Call as many as you can and ask for specific websites to double check and see if they rank well and have some pagerank on Google's toolbar. (You DO have a Google Toolbar installed, right?  If not, shame on you!) I have updated this article to elaborate on this. Any reputable SEO company will have references and will be GLAD to have you call them or email them.  If they don't, then there is something wrong.  ASK FOR REFERENCES AND CHECK THEM.

If you've done all this PI work and everything looks good, then get an iron-clad contract with the people and give it a shot.  Do NOT pay them the entire amount up front.  Try to negotiate to pay monthly and even to have a trial period if they will.  Many won't.  But the usual way of doing things is to pay part up front, and the balance when the site is ranking well...or whatever you agree on.  Many will only promise the first page, and that is acceptable.  If they promise you you'll be number one, then something is wrong.

Be sure this agreement is NOT for pay per click ads or some special downloaded toolbar gimmick.  That is not to say that it might not be worth your while to run a well-controlled Google Adwords campaign during those 6 months if you can afford it.  But paying them for organic SEO should have nothing to do with any kind of advertising.

BE SURE THEY ARE AGREEING TO RANK YOU FOR A REAL KEYPHRASE.   it's a good idea to start with some of the easier ones and work up, but don't let them sell you on ranking for the name of your website, your broker, or even something like "home for sale in Atlanta with a cement driveway".  They should not get paid in full until your site ranks for something productive.

Most of all, go by your gut feeling and do your due-diligence.  There are so many bad ones out there.  You may be talking about an expenditure of up to $10,000 before it's all said and done.  Invest wisely and it's worth every penny.  Invest without checking on the company and you can lose a lot of money.  And don't assume that everyone advertising SEO on Active Rain knows what they are doing, either.  I've seen about as many bad ones here as anywhere else.

If you have other questions or want to ask about a certain company, contact me.  If I can't help you we can check out the other ones to be sure they can do the job.

 
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24 Comments on How to Choose a Real Estate SEO Consultant

JAN
12
2009
227,064 Points 25 Featured Posts

Good advice - there are charlatans out there who charge for tips that can actually hurt your rank.

10:42pm • #1
149,153 Points 1 Featured Post

GReat advice...there are some dark sided companies in every field...good to see someone pointing out the good ones from the bad based on what they tell you etc.

Just like every realtor is an expert in everything (not) not every SEO company can "Take you to the top in  a week"....take your money I have found yes....get to me #1 as promised....not for a long time...

 

Rick

10:47pm • #2
JAN
13
2009
142,311 Points

Thanks Ryan and Rick.  It embarrasses me more all the time.  I sometimes feel like a Cadillac dealer in a garden of used car lots...:-)

12:33am • #3
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As usual, Jan, you are totally right! You will get a kick out of this:

Today I got a call from a woman who said that she worked for a prominent search engine optimization company and that her research assistants were concerned because they could not find me on the first page of Google anywhere. I told her that I was concerned that her research assistants might be going blind and had they eaten any arsenic lately?

Long pause from the other end of the line.... "Why would you say that?" she asked.

I told her to go check Google for the term "Las Vegas real estate." Sound of typing.....

"I guess my research assistants were wrong," Click... as she hung up!  :) 

12:40am • #4
246,312 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog

Thank you for the tips.  What you say makes sense and everyone should avoid optimizing their site the wrong way.

1:02am • #5
142,311 Points

You're right Diann...I loved it :-)  They don't come away from you unmarked...haha.

Thanks Robert.

1:11am • #6

I have worked with a lot of different web designers and seo people only to be very disappointed with all of them until I came to Jan. Thanks for these tips Jan. I hope I don't have to use them because I've got you, but I'll keep them in mind if you ever dump me...you'll have to beat me off with a stick though...a BIG stick. :)

10:37am • #7
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Jan, great advice about not using one that is working with more than one Realtor in an area. There is a company here in Ann Arbor that holds to that policy and although I have not used them I have a great deal of respect for them.

12:33pm • #8
FEB
06
2009

Great post Jan, I agree with everything you say except I have a bit of an issue with giving people the opportunity to call my clients.

I think its rude and un professional for a person to even want to call another client of an SEO or even design company.  But I do see your point that people MUST do their research.  I propose in contrast to your suggestion that maybe a qualified SEO company solicit a testimonial from the client that can be presented along with a proposal. Just my personal opinion.

I love what you said about hidden content too, i've encountered so many people who have had this done and the results are short term and potentially dangerous.  I think its dangerous for a company to even propose that hidden content is in some way "White Hat" SEO when in fact its not.

Nice Article Jan

 

Jared Ritchey Design
http://www.jaredritchey.com

 

Jared Ritchey
4:51pm • #10

just curious Jan, what client sites do you have somewhere at #1 so I can see some of them? and as to that cached text thing can you post a site here that we may see what your talking about?

Sam
10:22pm • #12
142,311 Points

Several years ago when I worked for Condolux, they were #1 for 100 different search terms - including the top ones, as was his MB Real Estate.com site.  We parted ways for a year or two, and he slipped on some of the terms.  Well...I'm back. Even so, he is primarily in the vacation rental business, secondarily in real estate sales.

As it stands for the time being, he and I are #3 and 4 for Myrtle Beach real estate.  Give me a little time to work on that.

All of the sites I have done for the past 3 years were built around condos.  The owners specifically did NOT want to rank for real estate because they didn't sell or handle rentals outside of the beachfront area.  So there was very little competition for the term "real estate" 6-8 months ago.  Times change and so do keyphrases.  We'll see how it goes. 

If you want information on my clients, then by all means call them and let them tell you where they rank and whether I do a good job or not.  Being #1 for ONE TERM and nowhere for all the others is not what I consider the best SEO job... especially in Myrtle Beach where condos are searched more than anything else in the spring, summer and fall.  Just to illustrate, right now bike week and senior week are the highest terms...but that will only last a few months. Last summer, real estate was way below condos in the searches.

As for hidden links, check out the IDX pages of any site you suspect, do a Google cache, and then Text Only and look at the bottom.  They aren't hard to spot once you know where to look.   I'm not going to publicly embarrass a dozen Myrtle Beach agents who don't even know their websites are promoting other agents behind the scenes.  If you suspect yours is one of the the ones being used, check it.  If you are the one doing the dirty deed, then you already know which ones are being compromised.  Of course now you can scramble and remove them...but then wonder what will happen?

11:43pm • #13
FEB
09
2009

First off – Harley your 1 crazy guy but thanks anyway “I’ve got this” - and Jared thanks for also pointing me to the thread – she should have Googled you a little deeper in order to connect the dots =)

Hello Jan,

I would normally never go out on the web and post my grievances and or try to portray/attack someone as you have apparently tried to do to me there in your post – of course without naming me out right but it’s still implied and I still take offence since I’ve never spoken poorly to others about you or your services.

I have decided to go ahead and respond here to your absurd notion/accusation that I would be so unscrupulous as to intentionally embed “Hidden Links” unbeknown to the clients and their sites that I have either built or currently SEO for them.  I know that you don’t know a whole lot about CSS (I’ve studied your sites to know what I’m up against) so let me explain the method used, it is referred to as the phark method – it is used with images to move anchore text links off the page with css text-indent, while still maintaining a nice esthetic quality - but since you seem to think that my clients are not aware of any of this or that I don’t have any type of prior agreements or permission -  I’ve just gone ahead and made everything “viewable for you” Front and Center and for everyone else to see that there are no smoke and mirrors and there is nothing UNETHICAL going on here like I’m sure that you probably wish “was”. In fact the phark method I use is also used by many other seo companies including the likes of REW. So go ahead and recheck all of the sites again and see for yourself that every single one of them and about 17 new ones, thanks for reminding me =) - that had cached or otherwise is now in full view (no css)  - and now I think I'll go ahead and quote you from above "then what?"  Dirty Deed? please lmao take another look - Links will go ahead and remain this way for a few weeks until I feel inclined to move them down the page +1000em so that the clients don't have to be bothered anymore with the esthetics.

I believe at this point we should both just probably agree to disagree on what methods are the best ones for our clients and leave it at that.

I wish you nothing but the best in all your endeavors.
CB

CB
8:56pm • #14
FEB
11
2009
1 Featured Post

Stay clear of Blackwater/Compass internet systems 

I feel the need to post this. I used compass internet systems for my SEO in 2008. I cancelled my subscription as per their cancellation policy . Then last month I receive a letter from a collection company saying I owe them $239.95. Now they had my credit card and were charging it for the monthly fee. I cancelled the service and they said I had to pay for the current month which was according to their policy. NO problem. As far as I knew everthing is fine. Then this. I call the company and they need to call me back. The send me an email stating it's not theirs, it must be a Point2Agent fee. I check my account, nope! I write to the collection company Transworld Systems and include a copy of the email and the fact that I am disputing the collection. No response other than another auto generated notice. I try calling but neither number lets you talk with anyone. Then I receive another email from CIS stating it is theirs. No information, just pay up.

SEEMS THEY REFUSE TO LET YOU OUT OF YOUR CONTRACT!!!!!

I suprised that Point2 would align itself with a company that does business like this. Very disappointing.

12:43pm • #15
FEB
12
2009

CB, isn't hiding text links from the user's view considered "black hat"?  Maybe I'm missing something, but just because it's done with a particular technology (CSS), how does that exempt it from being black hat?

REW has done things in the past that have gotten their sites client's websites in trouble with the search engine spam police, so their usage of the "Phark Method" doesn't seem to justify it's usage as white hat.

Matt Cutts and others talk about hidden links here:
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/hidden-links/

I researched the "Phark Method" and its purpose is to hide text from a user (to not interfere with the display) so that a screen reader program (such as for the blind) can read the image. Is your use of the Phark Method for assisting the blind in reading images, or is it to hide links from users?

Finally, do you have any supporting documentation to support your technique as something that the Google algorithm is smart enough to recognize as a non-spam hidden links?

12:17am • #16
FEB
18
2009

We wereI always was told that anything you did to try and camouflage a link would cause you to get penalized or banned from Google.  The issue is if a site is giving the search engines one thing, and the page viewer something different.

11:17pm • #17
142,311 Points

And you were told correctly, Fran.  I don't intend to get in an argument with anyone on Active Rain.  But I dare anyone to start this kind of a thread on a forum like Webmaster World, defending the position of any method of hiding links.

I also can't picture Morgan at Real Estate Webmasters being foolish enough to do something like this.  I'd like to see him comment about it, though.

Jan

11:47pm • #18
MAR
12
2009

SEO company here that is actually using their regular web customers to rank their SEO customers.Thankyou.

seaqrconsultant
11:49am • #19
JUN
08
2009

Hello Jan I've been slammed or I would have followed your posts more frequently. I too would like to see if they would chime in from the above mentioned.  The SEO world is one that is rather complex and should be considered more of an art form than a science.

I think what CB is referring to is that the link itself isn't hiddent its part of an image that the URL changes at different times in the day.  That per se isn't black hat, even one of my mortgate calculators I put on sites will change the link depending on the day rate. 

I've done work for hundreds of Realtors building WordPress blogs and one thing that nearly every single design I deliver will feature is an option in our custom options panel to allow a person to randomize advertisements, links and other content elements based on user defined settings.  Why we do this is simple. Realtors may write about a community, an employment market, a news worthy event and then provide featured real estate listings associated to the general demographic and those links do in fact change. I dont know that it would be considered blackhat to randomize featured property links in that regard but I'm always open to the opinions of other professionals.

 

Jared Ritchey
4:19pm • #20
142,311 Points

Jared, since you work for, or with Chad, I would think you'd know exactly what was being done and how. It certainly had nothing to do with images or ads. 

Anyway, the debate is 6 months old and over with.  Time to move on.

4:48pm • #21
JUN
27
2009

 SEO is more important now than it was more than a decade ago when we started. The interesting thing is the methodology hasn't changed. All of our sites come out on top of Google and Yahoo search results without even trying. We just provide as much useful, relevant content as possible . Your titles and description meta tags should represent what the page is actually about. All of your file names, image alt tags, header and other text should be relevant as well. Google and Yahoo's algorithms are constantly changing, there is no point in trying to out think them. Just develop your site for your visitors, with real dynamic content and unique and powerful free tools for them to use, this will inspire other relevant sites to link to your website creating a snowball effect that will put your site at the top of the search results, while at the same time providing a great resource for your visitors. It is also important to have an internal linking structure that is conducive to being indexed by the search engine robots. Beyond that SEO is just BS. Your money would be infinitely better spent on enhancing your website with powerful applications like live listings, virtual property tours, neighborhood demographics, price comparison tools, maps and applications like this blog, that will automatically make dynamic content,  After all it's what you do with your visitors that matters.

3:43am • #22
MAY
18
2010

I am just getting started looking for a SEO consultant and I am going to print your blog and keep it by my side as I search online.  Thanks for the info.

5:51pm • #23
142,311 Points

Well, Joanne, don't forget I'm available too!  :-)

6:33pm • #24
JUL
31
2010
142,311 Points

Just an update on this situation - It took a while, but after the hidden links were removed and Google was notified of the methods used, neither of these websites are on the first page for "Myrtle Beach Real Estate" anymore.  There IS justice in the universe...it's just slow sometimes...:-)

9:35am • #25
AUG
02
2010
104,894 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I just came across this post and found it helpful. As you know, one of the hardest things to convince clients about is the time it takes to move up in the rankings.

9:15am • #26

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