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When Did We Begin To Know?

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Real Estate Agent

Several times recently, I have had conversations with friends, family and clientele.  And often, the question arises, "Myrl, when did you begin to know we were trouble with the housing market?"

I remember the first time the question came up, my mind wandered back to the summer of 2005, when I was out viewing properties with a buyer, and prices seemed so artificially high.  Shortly thereafter, I began to wonder more about the question presented in a News 10 piece, "Is California's Housing Bubble About to Burst?"  Elizabeth Bishop, the author of the article, nearly mirrored my precise thoughts. Yes, prices seemed fairly outrageous - yet the bubble seemed quite resilient to every pinprick being sent its way.  Jobs were plentiful in our area, and unemployment in California and nationally, remained low.  The economy was continuing to sustain growth, and our housing inventory that summer was exceedingly low, while demand was high.

In the marketplace, we began learning some buyers were purchasing with subprime loans, with little or no documentation.  However, most of my clients were affluent, which were selling and pulling equities from smaller homes and moving up.  Others had great jobs.  They easily qualified for home mortgages on the merits of their income and assets.

I suspect very few real estate professionals could have conjured the nightmare that was brewing in the mortgage lending business, which would eventually invade Wall Street and the Banking industry.  There was the packaging of mortgages into derivatives, with each package creator putting their fees on top of the product and marketing to investors.  There was so much money to be made in the mortgage industry, that originating loans for the purpose of a home buying experience wasn't enough for financial gurus. 

When more home loans became toxic, they began to combine packaging the risky loans with the good mortgages, and a lethal soup swirled in the credit default swap world. 

Question: Who among you had even heard of a credit default swap, prior to a year ago?  Credit default swaps dwelled in a murky world of packaging mostly toxic mortgages, and selling them to financial investors, Insurance companies, etc.

Credit default swaps became the vehicle which facilitated $400 billion of bad mortgages, to get pumped up on steroids, and cause an estimated $63 TRILLION dollar global meltdown.  Wall Street had literally turned the mortgage derivatives and credit default swaps market into a global Pokémon card mall.

Back to the alternative world where reality often gets into mischief - While focusing on the big picture of our current economic crisis, I believe there has been a concerted effort to present smoke and mirrors in hopes of deflecting the larger share of blame onto unsophisticated buyers, who were encouraged in their eagerness to purchase homes they could ill afford, and really weren't qualified for.  They were often lured into risky mortgages, with teaser introductory interest rates, which became disastrous household tragedies, when mortgages began to reset and payments in some instances, nearly doubled.

I think that our current real estate crisis reinforces the tenet that we cannot make informed decisions, when we are dwelling in a vacuum of information.  As real estate professionals, we perform our work, based on what we know, or have education and knowledge of - We cannot know, what we cannot know!

We hope those charged with certain responsibilities of oversight to insure folks can make decisions based on an arena of transparency, disclosure, and necessary diligence are in place and functioning properly. 

We have learned there are sometimes unseen alternative realities, which often dwell beside us, of which we are totally unaware.

We have heard a great deal about a number of first time homebuyers, who represents the tip of the melting iceberg, caused by certain subprime lending practices.  But we also hear tragedies, from those doing everything right.  An example is the couple that purchased a moderately upscale home after saving 25% down, at the height of the market in Summer 2005. 

Because Mr. Home Buyer's employer transferred him to the East Coast, from our area, they placed the home on the market for sale a year ago.  Since then, they have essentially chased the market downward in the hopes of pricing the house to sell.  They are currently upside down in mortgage balance versus home value.  They are reluctant to walk away.  Their lender won't renegotiate their loan, because they are not behind in payments.  These factors are affecting regular folks, who did everything right!  What choices do they now have? (1) They could quit the job on the East Coast, and move back to our area.  However, the couple is in their 60s, and finding a different job with the income, of the present job may prove quite difficult. (2) They could hand over the keys to the bank, but they aren't of the mindset, which can accept that as an option. (3) They can continue to make payments on their now upside down mortgage.

If you were in these folk's shoes, what would you do?

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Comments(12)

Dennis Swartz
Full Circle Property Management - Columbus, OH
MBA, GRI...experience counts!

First off, they made a committment on the home and they need to honor it if they can and I am a little tired of people who can make the payments just walking away because someone else did it. Put a renter in the home, even if at a loss and pay the difference or come back and live in it.

I have been telling people since 2005 that this was going to happen. I teach finance at a local real estate school and preached that since the beginning. It did not take an economist to realize that a temporary, interest only loan with a balloon and a low start rate tied to the LIBOR on a six month ARM was going to be bad.

Jan 21, 2009 09:01 PM
Jim Valentine
RE/MAX Realty Affiliates - Gardnerville, NV

We began to know in 2005 - the values were crazy.  I had a buyer who wanted to buy in a certain neighborhood, "undr" $300,000, and we couldn't find one!

A home sold today for "under" $100,000.00 in the same neighborhood! Yikes!

Jan 21, 2009 09:24 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

There is no logical reason for a home owner to walk away from a home and a mortgage simply because of negative equity.  That's financial suicide. 

However, many of us saw the market reach a price that was totally unsustainable in 2005 when homes were priced beyond the qualifying ability of average home buyers. 

Our market came to a screeching halt in the third quarter of 2005. 

Interestingly enough, it was the easy loans that enabled many buyers to buy their dream home, often new construction in luxury areas where buyers would never have qualified without those loan types. 

Was it bad for the market?  YES.  Was it good for many home buyers who were enabled to buy their dream home?  Many would say a resounding YES! 

After all, not everyone defaulted.  Most did NOT.

Jan 21, 2009 09:41 PM
Richard Iarossi
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Crofton, MD
Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate

Myrl,

Many Realtors knew that the market couldn't sustain the appreciation rates during 2003 -2005. Even though we told our clients, I'm not sure many of us would have anticipated a drop like we've seen since than either. As far as your couple goes, none of us can make the call for them. They have to do what's in their best interest and maybe suffer the consequences.

Rich

Jan 21, 2009 10:04 PM
Chip Jefferson
Gibbs Realty and Auction Company - Columbia, SC

As my background was in residential Mortgage I knew that when the lenders started giving away mortgages it was going to be some ramifications.

Jan 21, 2009 10:25 PM
Toula Rosebrock
Diane Turton, Realtors, Forked River, NJ - Lacey Township, NJ
Broker/Sales Associate, Realtor, Lacey Township,

Hi Myrl:

Let's face it, even though we knew that the up swing would come to an end, clients would rather believe that it would continue!

ToulaRosebrock.com

Jan 21, 2009 10:28 PM
Shawn Davis
Home Crossings, P.C. - Davison, MI
Homes For Sale, Genesee County, Michigan

If possible they should pay on their equity!!  That is the only sound way to keep their good standing,  This would move them up in the years and avoid having to pay interest on top of their already upside down equity. 

Jan 21, 2009 11:19 PM
David Width Jr.
Little Egg Harbor, NJ

It is a shame all around. I believe there are people to be blamed in the mortgage business that wrote loans for people that they knew these people wouldn't be able to afford in three years. Something has to be done. They should re-negotiate these loans and get them a competitive fixed interest rate compared to todays. They have to do something, and they have to to it soon.

Jan 21, 2009 11:21 PM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Dennis -I tend to agree with you about the couple's commitment to their home.  It also sickens me to see many folks just wander off at first blush of discomfort.  But, I have also seen instances, where I can understand why someone who had made the right decisions are being further punished by the banks that helped create this monster in the closet.  They also contribute greatly to the declining home values, by drastically dumping prices on foreclosed properties on their books, and in the "short sale" environment, which is affecting values for ALL sellers. 

Jim -2005 was the year I think many of us identify as critical.  I can pinpoint the Summer of 2005 as loudly ringing bells in my ears.  Still, I don't think an abundance of us knew the impact that all the unknown mortgage derivative products and credit default swaps were being traded on Wall Street, and setting us up for the perfect storm we dwell in today.

Lenn - I tend to agree with you in this instance.  However,I do wish the lender would communicate for productively about refinancing their existing balance to a better interest rate however.  The door swings both ways.

Richard - It was difficult to convince clients the market was not sustainable in 2003 - 2005, when we had an abundance of buyers, and little inventory.  The scenario was creating a giant feeding frenzy in the marketplace.  New home builders were unable to build homes fast enough during those years.  I was concerned because with two decades in the business, I'd seen these cycles before.

Laura - That was one of my wake-up calls too!

Toula -The younger home buyers who hadn't experienced or remembered previous down cycles in the market were the swiftest to drink the KoolAid.

Shawn - There is some truth to that.  I know homeowners who have thrown extra cash at their mortgages in the past - especially adjustable ones, and done quite well.  That way, even if the interest rate adjusts upward, the payments will reset on a lower balance, often making them considerably more comfortable to deal with.   The market will recover, and likely home value along with it.

David - I think those of us in this profession have experienced vicariously a wealth of pain amongst hose we rub elbows with.  Whether it is clients, family or friends.  And I agree with you, that the focus of these bailouts seems to have done little more than throw good money after bad, and has done virtually nothing to help stabilize the market place.

Jan 22, 2009 01:51 AM
Anonymous
Brenda Lachman

Absolutely right it was about 2005 when the problem started brewing. But the housing market and the mortgage industry go hand in hand and back in 2005 mortgage companies loaned money to thousands and thousands of immigrants who with a Tax ID number and 15% downpayment were able to buy houses all over the country. Same immigrants that were deported through raids, deportation and other reasons.

This mortgage/housing affluency back then took us to where we are today.

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Jan 22, 2009 06:36 AM
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Sandy Shores FL Realtor®, Melbourne Real Estate
M & M Realty of Brevard Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Brevard County Real Estate, Florida's Space Coast

Hi Myrl, Great post! I think that in 2005 you couldn't have convinced anyone of what was coming next. People had blinders on and were in it for the ride up!  Some many people have said that they never thought it was going to go down (what?).

Jan 23, 2009 04:52 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Sandy - To me, 2005 was a year that felt and seemed so identical to 1990.  Both years began with a feeding frenzy of buyers, and a shortage of housing inventory.  Prices were going through the roof, and became artificially high.  But by the second half of 1990, and the second half of 2005, the tide began to turn.

What is different this time, that makes this housing crisis different, is that in 1990 we didn't have the mortgage derivatives market, etc., actually contributing and escallating the problem to a deeper more entrenched level.

 

 

Jan 23, 2009 06:23 AM