Blogging for Points? Get Real.

Active RainI like the new cap on the amount of Groups a blogger on Active Rain can post to, now.  And I like it when I read a post and the Group Moderator leaves a comment saying that the post isn't appropriate for that Group.  As nearly as I can tell, there are two reasons people post anything to anywhere;

  1. They are new and are not quite certain as to what is, and what is not, acceptable.  If corrected they will fall in line.
  2. They are trying to generate as many points as possible to skyrocket up the rankings for their particular area.

Am I missing something?  Is there a cash reward for having the most points?

I had been blogging for right at a year when I stumbled onto Active Rain.  I still keepthat blogup to date and in fact I still like it a little bit better.  It's prettier, for lack of a better reason.  But it doesn't get near the recognition from Google that Active Rain gets.  Occasionally I will post one article to both because of Active Rain's superior Google recognition.  And I find that odd when you consider that I use the Blogger platform and Blogger is run by Google.  To make it even weirder, I get great Yahoo! search engine recognition with my other blog.  But I digress...

Key Benefit of Blogging 

To me, blogging is social networking.  It is a chance for me to connect with the very audience I expect to find my clients from.  I know it works.  Basically, how it works is that people find me through various sources and then they tend to stalk me.  Using IP address tracing technology I can watch them watch me.  I never approach them.  It's fine if they never contact me.  But because my other blog is very niche orientated, when they do call me they are ALREADY CLIENTS.  I don't have to explain myself to them.  They are already sold on me.

Why I Love Active Rain 

Active Rain provides, for me, a fantastic opportunity learn from other very accomplished bloggers.  The subjects on AR tend to be agent to agent, while localism tends to be more consumer orientated.  I read.  I comment.  I learn.  I blog.

With all of the attention blogging gets from the media right now I have no doubt that AR's membership will continue to grow exponentially.  There will be a constant battle on the Groups and the boards to educate the "newbies" as well as monitor the bad guys. 

But I'm asking, right now, that many people out there shift their focus from points to service.  Add something of value in your blogs for either other real estate agents or your consumers.  Whichever. 

Blogging for points is like selling a house only for the commission.  You must provide a professional service geared towards the well being of your client (reader) in order to build a client base worth having. 

Are you of a different opinon?  Fine.  But I would love to hear it. 

 
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35 Comments on Blogging for Points? Get Real.

I think a lot of people want to skyrocket up the rankings for their particular area. My SEO is great from ActiveRain. I also write blogs directed toward the consumer, and of course, if I can rack up some points in the process... why not? :)

05/03/2007 05:05 PM by Justin Kaatz, CMP (ASAP Mortgage)


Justin - thanks for the comment.  I AM NOT AGAINST POINTS.  I just look around and see some posts with nothing but points in mind.  You can see what I'm talking about.  Take care.

05/03/2007 05:11 PM by Chris Lengquist, RIPS (Keller Williams Realty)


I am not against points, but I would look carefully at the blogs and comments that got them. If a comment is "nice post" period, it is obvious that someone is looking for 25 points. I also am suspicious of a stream of 5-10 separate posts all at once. Someone may be recycling posts from another blog or web site. The people who have huge amounts of points also make me wonder. Are they that prolific or don't they have any business?

05/03/2007 06:03 PM by Jim Little, Your Sun City Arizona Realtor (Ken Meade Realty)


As a newbie, I have no idea what points are and don't really care.  For me, this is a great opportunity to connect with people, learn from agents and maybe help some clients along the way.  Great observation, Chris!

05/04/2007 10:42 AM by Layna Lambert (Keller Williams)


Chris,

I have to say "from the mouths of babes" to Layna's lovely comment just above:)  If everyone felt that way, it would be so much more non confrontational. However, the points attribute is one of the main reasons that Active Rain has skyrocketed like it has.

 People in this field are very competitive and we will find (and have found) all sorts of ways to the proverbial "top".

I have to say that I have also wondered where some people find the time to actually do all this blogging. They are more like "professional bloggers". Unless they just never sleep!

05/05/2007 10:19 AM by Karen Hurst ~ Real Estate Broker ~ Warwick ~ Rhode Island (Storm Realty LLC)


Karen, first, I like your blog.

Second, you are right in so many ways.  Again, I'm not against the points.  I guess, fighting against human nature, I'm against posting simply for points.  Will a consumer really choose a blogger because he/she has more points?  Or will they choose based on the content that fits them and their needs? 

05/05/2007 11:09 AM by Chris Lengquist, RIPS (Keller Williams Realty)


Love the article Chris!  Hopefully some of these "Market Reports" will start to become a bit more informative and not just two lines with 6 lines of "Contact Me" information :-P

As for the points ordeal, its kind of sad I've heard both side of the argument have actually brought new clients to people.  I've actually read alot of posts about the higher end consumers told their new Realtor that they were either looking for top of the list (most points) or longest name aka (Stupid Pieces of Paper that were $100-$300) bucks a piece.

Oh well I still plan on sticking to writing content not blogging for points.  By the way thanks for the advice the other day!  I'm looking into pros and cons right now ;-)  Also expenses of getting in to a team vs a new broker.

Wow that was uhhh I guess winded doesn't work so "Texted :-P".  So I'll say tootles for now.

05/05/2007 06:10 PM by Overland Park Real Estate :: Jordan M Mackey (Overland Park Real Estate - Keller Williams)


Chris,

I think the answer is obvious, a consumer will choose an agent that fits their values and market area, however, if one does not blog often enough about those values and ideas and markets, (and in the process, accrue points) they will not "get their name out there".

When you are featured because you took the time to blog and comment, then when someone in your state signs on to localism, there you are!  Of course if you look like an idiot, it won't matter since Mr and Ms consumer will just scroll down:) Points do not show up on Localism!

Sometimes, those market reports are the very posts that lure someone off Google into Localism or Active Rain and hopefully they will read the rest of what we have to say.

Glad you like my blogs, I will be the first to say "I am not a blogger".  Just trying to keep up:)

05/06/2007 04:01 PM by Karen Hurst ~ Real Estate Broker ~ Warwick ~ Rhode Island (Storm Realty LLC)


Chris, as I was reading your post I decided to check out your other blog since you quoted that it is "prettier."  I subsequently found an interesting blog that you posted Proof of Flipping Fraud: How Did It Take So Long? and I followed the link to the FOX news report. It rang a bell because I had just recently wrote a blog about this exact thing, and with this investor in mind Flip This House - Can you believe what you see on TV?. I apologize for getting off the subject from this blog, but I find it amuzing at how interconnected everything is within the Rainer community. I would never have learned about the news report if I had not been reading your blog that had nothing to do with the other blog. Go figure!

05/20/2007 11:05 AM by Elite Legacy Realty Inc.


Hi! I had bookmarked your post awhile back. I just wrote a post about the benefits of blogging. I think what you've written here provides a great perspective on that and I included a link to your article. You can see it here. Just thought you may like to know that what you wrote was referenced in another post.

07/29/2007 12:51 PM by A Crye-Leike Blogger, Angie Vandenbergh (Crye-Leike, Realtors)


I'm glad Angie posted this entry up on her more recent blog.  It was a good read.  For me, I blog because it is a great way for me to get my information out to prospects, but I also blog for points because being high in the rankings helps get those prospects to find me. 

I think the problem comes when content is sacrificed for points.   

07/29/2007 02:45 PM by Lane Bailey - The REALTOR for Car People (Century 21 Network Realty)


Angie - Thank you.  I'll check it out. 

Lane - right on.

07/30/2007 11:50 AM by Chris Lengquist, RIPS (Keller Williams Realty)


Blogging isn't just about points..it is about unique connections with a consumer or a professional, I think they should lift the limit on postings, (only 10 a week which gain points? they should allow points on all blogging!!) after all you get penalised for spam..

07/30/2007 03:47 PM by British Homes Group


Points are great, boost your popularity... but some people here on AR Blog are addicted to the idea of claiming the stair at any risk. Sometimes the quality suffers and is not right.

08/01/2007 01:51 AM by Arina Hanciulescu (ELITE REALTY)


Chris, I hear ya. One point that i think about is length of some blog. I like it quick. Long blogs come across to me like a thesis, boring. Trust me I have written my share. You need to grab the consumer other wise they are gone. So some thoughts are simple. I am not the greatest writer but I do get sales from using my style of writing. Great Post.

08/01/2007 09:13 AM by Frank Rubi Louisiana Real Estate-Homes for Sale (Specialized Real Estate Services, Inc.)


Chris, For me blogging is also about the social networking. I do like the point system and ranking strategies, however if that were the only reason to blog it would be a rather drab and boring task.

It is important to have fun in what we do. At least it is for me, and blogging is just one way that I can express myself and get to know more people like you and others that I enjoy learning and sharing with.

Keep up the good posts.

08/01/2007 11:51 PM by Robert Mayo - CAI, AARE, ATS, CAGA (Mayo Auction & Realty - Your Kansas City Auctioneer)


Chris,

AR is a great platform to improve your web presence, no question about it. What it really is is marketing. And that's what most of us are looking for. The point system to me is too liberal and should be tightened considerably. What do you see here now are three words and you get the full compliment of points vs. a thoughtful response.

08/02/2007 12:48 AM by Esko Kiuru - Las Vegas NV Mortgage Consultant (Sinifox Financial)


Thank you everyone for your contributions.  I do appreciate them.  I know Karen George wrote and article about this subject with a different take. 

I don't want to change the point system. Just the motivation by some to get points without quality content.  But then again, if they are cheating this they are probably cheating themselves on other aspects, too.

08/02/2007 09:22 AM by Chris Lengquist, RIPS (Keller Williams Realty)


Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and ideas.  Very helpful to those of us starting out.

12/06/2007 04:25 PM by Denise Shockey Melbourne, Brevard County Florida Real Estate (RE/MAX Elite)


Interesting points. Sometimes I write 'nice post' - but not for points. I do it as a courtesy for reading the post or because I liked the post and have nothing more to add.

12/06/2007 04:51 PM by Lindsey Hasford (Coldwell Banker Vision)


I was trying to figure out what points were ?  I could not find any information from AR, glad I found your blog Chris.

 

 

12/12/2007 09:35 PM by Kim Tucker (Tucker One Properties, Inc)


Some people think that getting to the top of the points list is all there is.

But when you read them, you get to see just how shallow they are.  Four line posts and statistical reports, but NOTHING of interest.  Do they really think someone is going to choose them because they are at the top of the points list.

Yes, getting to the top of the points list get's people to read you, but they read a lot. Do you really think they'll chose you if you have nothing but shallow wrirting and statistical reports and beggings for business.  

I don't.

Write well, enjoy the learning, and the rest will take care of itself.

Even though AR only scores ten comments a day, I usually find 15 or 20 that I want to commnet on.  I never save it for tomorrow anymore because there'll be another 15 or 20 that I want to comment on tomorrow.

12/13/2007 08:17 AM by Erby Crofutt, Central Kentucky Home Inspector (B4U Close Home Inspections & Radon Testing)


I think getting points is fun.  So, I always make sure to get in at least 10 comments a day and I encourage everyone to do the same.  But, I may read 30-40 articles to find 10-15 to comment on and my comments are not necessarily 50 characters either.  I genuinely try to support, define, or point out flaws in the blog to help the author.  I think it is part of being a member of the community.  

Also, since I found out there was a limit of 10 per week (for points) I try to get 10 articles posted each week now.  Before I found this out I didn't post as many articles because I thought I didn't have the time to keep up with Realtors posting listing upon listings.  But now I am writing more and hopefully improving with each blog posted. 

I have a friendly points rivalry with a Realtor in my city.  The points system is here to encourage participation.  Kind of like the McDonalds Beanie Baby craze in the 90's.  People in my wife's office would call every McDonalds withing 50 miles to see if they had a certain Beanie Baby.  Not that they were worth a lot of money but, because the chase was so much fun. 

I was helping someone in my office yesterday building up her points because she wanted to leapfrog another lender.  Hopefully, this encourages her to write more. 

Wow!  This would make a good blog.  It is a shame not many people will see it buried in the comments of such a great blog.

02/07/2008 10:11 AM by Jimmy McCall~Clarksville's Mortgage Consultant (Legacy Mortgage Services, Inc. ~ Clarksville, Tennessee)


Jimmy - it's not a shame, you have at least one guy, me, who sees your comments:)

 
Good perspective for myself as a newbie...but Jimmy's right, points are fun.  Maybe the points can translate into some profit-sharing from Active Rain?  Hmmmm, now that would motivate the heck out of a lot of people and you would have true ownership from the participants.

02/20/2008 10:38 AM by Edward W. Lui - Georgetown Texas Real Estate (Lone Star Properties)


Hi Chris,

Great post.  I'm all about trying to post something of substance as well.  Something that will either be useful to other agents or to buyers/sellers in our area.  For buyers and sellers who find one of my blogs, I want to be seen as an expert of the area and of real estate.  Posting cookie recipes or some news article you can find anywhere will not help me achieve that goal (no offense to anyone posting cookie recipes).  I also have a blogspot blog that I post only buyer/seller posts to but like you, I have found the Google Page ranking is much better for my Ar blog then my blogspot blog.  For that reason my blogspot blog which is my old faithful, has now moved to my number 2 priority behind my AR blog.

02/20/2008 10:49 AM by Michael Pierce - Overland Park Real Estate - Leawood Real Estate (Prudential Kansas City Realty - Overland Park, Kansas)


Jimmy - Thanks for commenting. I understand.

Edward - Points are fun.  But what's more fun are commission checks.

Michael - Remind me of this conversation next Thursday evening. 

02/20/2008 11:57 AM by Chris Lengquist, RIPS (Keller Williams Realty)


Chris,

Thanks for the info. My husband and I are totally new to activerain. We went to a continuing ed class and it was recommended we try it. I am the computer person while my husband does the customer contact. I have really enjoyed looking around activerain and learned quite a bit in the last 2 days.

Thnaks, Karen Gotcher

02/22/2008 11:43 PM by Tom & Karen Gotcher (Churchill Brown)


Tom & Karen,

Glad you stopped by.  Blogging is an incredible tool.  To quote my CPA from last Wednesday...

"It looks like you cut your advertising costs by 75% and yet you made 22% more in income..."

 

 

02/23/2008 08:38 AM by Chris Lengquist, RIPS (Keller Williams Realty)


Chris,

I enjoyed your blog. Actually, the first I have read. I just signed on yesterday but I agree with you that this whole business is about service and learning.

 

Thanks

03/30/2008 03:27 PM by Mike Tennity


yeah i agree with everyone

04/25/2008 05:15 PM by


Hi Chris,

I'm glad I was able to read this. I have to admit, I have been guilty of trying to skyrocket my points and my ranking on AR...in my defense, it's all I know to do. I do know that by blogging you can get your name out there and increase your visibility on-line, but how I accomplish that is still beyond me.

When I write my blogs though, I try to add content that I think consumers and real estate partners would like to know about. Hopefully soon I will be able to understand all about the blog scene and how it works!

04/29/2008 08:15 PM by Joshua A. Lerette VA FHA FL Mortgage FL First Time Homebuyer Florida Mortgage (The Tampa Bay Mortgage Pro)


Over at my consumer blog I get about 200 readers a day, on average.  I'm sure a great many of them are other agents.  And that is fine.  But blogging, to me, is a great tool to;

  • Educate consumers on why you should be their choice.
  • Help your consumers understand why you think the way you do.
  • Create leads.
  • Solidify leads.
  • Socialize with many different kinds of people.
  • Gain referrals.

Dig in.  It takes quite a while to build readership.  But it's worth it.

04/30/2008 08:47 AM by Chris Lengquist, RIPS (Keller Williams Realty)


This is a great post and everyone thinking of blogging should read it and keep it in mind while developing their blogging approach.  The only thing I might add is that blogs with obviously bad grammar and spelling are a real turnoff for me.  With spell and grammar checks in every program there is really no excuse.  I've seen blogs with decent information but that make me cringe because they are so poorly written.  Chris, you are a very good writer, by the way.

 

05/04/2008 04:59 AM by Gayle Fleming, Your Going Green Realtor (Keller Williams Realty)


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