Reverse Mortgage Short Sale

 

What will happen, when a home owner has a Home Equity Conversion Mortgage (HECM) (aka Reverse Mortgage) and their home is no longer worth what they borrowed?   

 

This client needs to sell their home and they will owe around $200,000.00. 

The home will probably sell for about $70,000. 

 

Has anyone had experience with this? 

 

What do our mortgage folks know about this? 

 

Thanks for your input. 

 

 
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24 Comments on Reverse Mortgage Short Sale

JAN
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Hi Doreen,

Just the title of your blog is a mouth full.  Good luck!  ;-)

Sandra

10:09pm • #1
JAN
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Hi Doreen,

Let me see if I have this right? So they got a reverse mortgage for the value a while back before the market dropped.  They owe the bank the 200k and the house is only worth 70k, thus a 130k short?  HMMM.... I'm sure there are a couple of asset managers that don't have an answer either.   I would say they owe the 130k... so it must be forgiven, written off or they have to sign a note.  Problem is of course like others in this situation, they have no cash?  Not sure if even a re attorney or even the banks re attorney has an answer.   Greatest question on AR this week?  Keep us advised, we're all gonna learn from this.

List and Sell (or backward mortgage, spend it all, then go short?)  Gary @ RentonHomeFinder.com

 

2:23am • #2
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Sandra and Gary,  I'm hoping someone who has dealt with this will give us some insight.  Keep in mind, the people who have these mortgages are 62 years old or older.  So, circumstances may not be what they seem. 

8:20am • #3
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Doreen,

I haven't ever heard of a reverse mortgage going upside down, because the lenders are so conservative in the amount of money they will lend in total.

Please email me the specifics, and I'll look into it.

Mikein Tucson

9:18am • #4
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I have no idea when this mortgage was done.  I do know home values have dropped considerably in that area and this person is very, very elderly. 

3:55pm • #5
FEB
04

I can see where a reverse mortgage would be upside down but I don't see where it would be the homeowner's problem.

9:25pm • #6
FEB
06

I listed a property a few months back.  At the list price at that time, an offer in the neighborhood of the list price would have achieved a sale with no short sale needed.  However, I have had to now reduce this price over $30,000 to get showings, and now a subsequent offer.  Typically on a reverse mortgage the lender more easily will accept the property back (we are in this situation because the owner is now deceased).   The living heirs saw no action on the listing so they decided to submit deed in lieu papers.  Of course, 2 days after they did so, we receive an offer.  They are solely wanting me to try to achieve the sale because they know the only one to benefit will be me, as they will receive no money.  Perhaps the lender will be helped out as well with a buyer before they have to deal with it. 

You would think they would be responsive.  I have left 5 messages, 4 emails for the person in charge of this situation and I GET NO RESPONSE.  Reverse mortgage or regular mortgage, these lenders have not been very easy to deal with on a short sale.  I will keep you updated if anything transpires.

4:34pm • #7
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07
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Do you think they are not responding because of the deed in lieu?  They may consider it a done deal.  I was hoping for someone who had actually worked it all the way through to give some insight.  Keep me posted, I'd like to know how it turns out.  Thanks for commenting. 

9:06pm • #8
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Very interesting question on short sales in a reverse mortgage situation, Doreen...I am staying tuned for the responses!

10:54am • #9
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Wow, Doreen - I had to click on this to see what the comments had to say.  What a can of worms!

9:11pm • #10
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Doreen,

I was browsing the group LATE NIGHT, EARLY MORNING AT ACTIVE RAIN, and found that you're a member, so I came by to see what's shakin'

Mike in Tucson

4:57am • #11
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Doreen - This is a great questions,  I am sure in area where prices have dropped significantly this is a question the lenders will be pondering.  If I understand how reverse mortgage works this is more a headache for the lender not the senior.

4:36pm • #12
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Hi Jennifer,  I think you are right.  The reverse mortgage is always a percentage of the value, the idea being the home would appreciate rather than lose value.  If the owner moves out or dies the home is sold and the bank gets what they are owed and any left over goes to the person or their estate.

The situation here is that the values have dropped so dramatically the banks will not be able to sell for what is owed, and my understanding is, they will have to take the hit, there is no recourse. 

This was another agents listing and it has since expired.  I don't know what has finally happened to the home.

7:58pm • #13
JUN
01

Doreen, what's the update on this? 

8:50pm • #14
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This was another agents listing.  It has since expired and as far as I know, it is has not sold.

9:11pm • #15
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Doreen...

I am romping around my subscription list trying to catch up and say Hi to everyone. Hope all is well with you and yours.

TLW...ROAR!

6:42am • #16
OCT
01

I believe that if the homeowner is deceased, they can simply supply a deed in lieu.  However, a deed in lieu is not valid until accepted by the lender.  Some lenders will not accept them, especially if there are other liens or clouds on title.  In the case of a HECM reverse, there is no recourse to the borrower or to the heirs.  LEnder may still have to foreclose or go through the formal short sale process in order to shake off the junior liens, judgments or other possible clouds.   Remember, when you look at public record and see a $300,000 mortgage amount that is not always the actual number in a reverse.  The recorded amount is 1.5 times the actual lending limit.  The lending limit would then be $200,000 and even then the funds may have been disbursed over a number of years.  It could even have been a taken as a credit line and not accessed.  So even though public record shows $300,000  it could be as little as $30,000.   Of course, if you are looking at the monthly statement you will see the number much closer to the payoff amount.  Don't assume the balance is the same as the public record.

Unfortunately, I believe that we will see a number of short sales on reverses.  Even at 60% of the value, the interest accrues steadily.  Certainly, the borrower has no control over when they will pass. HOpefully, the steep mortgage insurance that was paid when they took the loan (2%) will be enough to cover the pool of bad loans.  Well managed, it should be enough to cover. Fortunately, this inverse value relationship should be of relatively short duration.

My condolences.

 

 

 

Deb V
5:45pm • #18
OCT
04

Wow, I am trying to buy such a house.  The owner is represented by a trustee and my offer is accepted.  The bank has not responded and it has about four months now.  So there may be a problem for me as a buyer and I may have to withdraw my offer.

 

Shaasho
9:40am • #19
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This was not my listing, and I believe it was not sold.  I don't know what happened.  I would imagine the bank took it back and sold it for it's current value.  Not much more they could do. 

11:19am • #20
OCT
31

I'm in the middle or the end of the mess of a reverse mortgage that is in a short sale of around $14,000. The reverse mortgage was taken out for my father in November 2007 and the loan was for 500,000 dollars. We used the reverse mortgage to pay off one small loan--I'm in California--250,000 dollars. My father had dementia, so he had almost 24 hour care for years. I did not put him in a nursing home.  I almost had the sale on the money, but a few things didn't work out. the house was first appraised at 540,000 two months ago. It sold in a week, but taxes on the house when sold in Los Angeles are horrible - $7,000, then there is earthquake retrofit stuff, and other stuff that is unbelievable. It was reappraised at 485,000 and then at 465,000 from the reverse mortgage company. I put on a new roof on the house because of FHA loan rules -- most loans now are FHA. And FHA demands that a roof last at least 2 years. I also restripped the floors and fixed the pool pump. Oh well...

The short sale takes awhile even though a reverse mortgage is a NON RECOURSE loan--the bank can't come after the trust or the family members, so there might be an advantage, but not by much in regards to time. I have already waited 4 weeks and it will probably be longer. One has to remember that many times unless the mortgage is FHA backed, if it is a jumbo loan--over 265,000 dollars--might have been sold just like other banks sold loans to other banks.

The mortgage company makes the money up front on the loan origination and then on the interest on the borrowed money.  There is also a monthly service fee that is added in each month.

criss cannady
1:41am • #21
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Wow Criss, that sounds like a nightmare on top of having to go through the things with your dad.  I'm sorry you had to go through this.  We never did get an answer on this situation. 

 

1:53am • #22
DEC
14

Question, can one purchase a condo that is a short sell with a Reverse Mortgage?

Barbara
9:32am • #23
DEC
15
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Hi Barbara, 

Thank you for commenting.  I am going to refer you to Mike Jones, a mortgage expert here on ActiveRain.  Just click his name and you go to his profile and his contact information is there.  Hope that helps.  

 

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