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COPYRIGHT RAMBLINGS BY REQUEST. Subtitle, WRITE THE DAMN THING YOURSELF!

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Real Estate Agent with Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate 303829;0225082372

                                           * * * *  HARD CORE COPYRIGHT TALK * * * *

Karen Monsour requested that I respond to her post Is this (Copyright© 2009 Karen L. Monsour, All Rights Reserved.) necessary at the end of my AR blog?

SO. . . . . .  I'm no expert and don't give legal advice.  GO TO THE SOURCE OF ALL INFORMATION ABOUT COPYRIGHT, the copyright office advises:

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What Works Are Protected?

Copyright protects "original works of authorship" that are fixed in a tangible form of expression.

1 literary works

2 musical works, including any accompanying words

3 dramatic works, including any accompanying music

4 pantomimes and choreographic works

5 pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works

6 motion pictures and other audiovisual works

7 sound recordings

8 architectural works

U.S. Copyright Office

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So, that said, the following is opinion.

SNIPPET AND LINK.  SNIPPET AND LINK.  The above is a "snippet" of copy from the U.S. Copyright Office.  Using a "snippet", a few lines of an original work copyright protected by another is considered "fair use".  Fair Use means you can use a few lines, but not the entire work or substantial amounts of a work.  So, if you wish to make a point that can be made by a member's writings, don't just copy their work, use a few lines and link to the original. 

BUT, LENN, I DON'T WANT TO LINK OUT TO OTHERS.  Mmmmmm.  If you don't want to link out to others and their are good reasons not to, WRITE THE DAMN THING YOURSELF.   

SOUND SIMPLE?   It is, honest.  Your work is copyright protected the instant it is written, even before it is published.  THE COPYRIGHT NOTICE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR YOUR WORK TO BE PROTECTED.

If you didn't create it, don't use it!  Create means write it, draw it, paint it, record it, etc.

THE COPYRIGHT NOTICE DOESN'T PROTECT ANYTHING.  Anyone who wants to steal your work will simply crop the copyright notice off and use it anyway.  The copyright notice and about $3.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

CUTE, THESE INTELLECTUAL THIEVES.  This fixation with the copyright notice, Copyright© or some permutation, is, IMO, quite misleading.  For those who want to steal, they claim that had the right to do so if you don't "notice" the public on your work.  For theives who believe that the copyright notice is necessary, they simply crop the notice off and often put your copyright protected work on their web page with their own copyright notice on their page.  Further, I don't see how having the copyright notice helps with SEO unless you want to be included in SERP for "copyright".

I have enough to remember to include my signature line without having to remember to include the copyright notice on my posts.  I only have a few articles that include the copyright notice, articles for which I have registered a copyright.  If someone steals one of them and I catch them, they will pay statutory damages which is up to $30,000 per use because the writing is registered.  The rest of the stuff I write is just opinion and verbiage and not worthy of a $45 registration fee.  I'd go broke.

WE'RE GROWN UPS HERE.  Your work on ActiveRain is copyright protected.  You don't have to do a thing.  Will someone steal the work of others from time to time???  Sure.  Will they get caught?  Probably not.  ActiveRain has published the copyright policy.  That should be enough.  We shouldn't need a copyright police force.  Let the ActiveRain geniuses use their creative juices for more important matters.  We can police our own works if we care. 

READ THE ACTIVERAIN GUIDELINES.  Rich Jacobson has a compendium of articles to guide a member or reader.  For just about anything anyone wants to or needs to know about participating on ActiveRain, it is RIGHT HERE.  "A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words? How About a Thousand Dollars?" Community Guidelines Re-Visited  

GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY!  Yes!  This article is copyright protected because I wrote the damn thing myself.  If you wish to link to it, copy a line or two and link away.  If you care to REBLOG it via ActiveRain, be my guest, we'll both get some Google juice.  If you care to copy and publish the entire article under your own name to create the impression that you wrote, created the article, go right ahead, live dangerously.  I'm always on the prowl for copyright violators and when I catch someone using my intellectual property, I will make them pay and I AM RELENTLESS. 

My attorney has copyright violation litigation and collection down to a fine art.  You'll be noticed with a "CEASE & DESIST AND DEMAND FOR DAMAGES" letter.   You will not be excused even if you remove my copyright protected material, images, articles, blog post, web site, maps, lists that I created, web site content, etc. from your web site.  The reason I will still pursue the "DAMAGES" claim is because you have already USED AND BENEFITTED from the use of my copyright protected intellectual property. 

If you do not agree to a negotiated settlement of my claim, we WILL file a lawsuit and it will be published in the normal places on the Internet.  The latest was filed on February 5, 2009 against a builder in the area who used one of my maps on their web site.  They have ignored our letters and so we filed.  They will pay damages.   

ACTIVERAIN IS PROACTIVE about copyright matters.  See Copyright Laws and You - Here's All You'll EVER Need To Know .  However, they can't be expected to read every word published on this massive blog with 130,000 plus members.  PROTECT YOUR OWN MATERIAL. 

IF YOU DIDN'T CREATE IT, DON'T USE IT.

=========    Previously published articles on ActiveRain about copyright  =========

copyright: COPYRIGHT RAMBLINGS BY REQUEST. Subtitle, WRITE THE DAMN THING YOURSELF! - 02/09/09 05:42 AM
Karen Monsour requested that I respond to her post Is this (Copyright© 2009 Karen L. Monsour, All Rights Reserved.) necessary at the end of my AR blog?
SO. . . . . .  I'm no expert and don't give legal advice.  GO TO THE SOURCE OF ALL INFORMATION ABOUT COPYRIGHT, the copyright ... (5 comments)

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I GOT A NICE COMMENT ON ONE OF MY POSTS TODAY that included a large cartoon.
The cartoon was clearly a professionally produced and syndicated one. 
If the cartoon has been purchased for republish, there was no notice. 
If the cartoon has been purchased for any use, there was no notice.
If ... (26 comments)

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CAN or SHOULD YOU USE VIDEOS FROM YOUTUBE.COM? 
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(c) Statutory ... (37 comments)

copyright: COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT DAMAGES SETTLED. - 08/27/08 07:14 PM
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RULE #1.  Don't use Lenn's maps on your web page.
RULE #2.  When you are contacted by the map owner, don't ignore them.
RULE #3.  When you are noticed of a settlement offer of $1,000, take it.
RULE #4.  When you ... (99 comments)

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http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008735318
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/04/business/NA-FIN-US-Downloading-Music.php
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WHAT'S A SNIPPET?Recent articles with information about the latest hot topic, mortgages and will anyone every get one again,have led to some powerful reading and some very powerful writing.  Unfortunately, it has also led to some,what I believe are (1) copyright violations, and (2) borderline duplicate content.  When researching a topic ... (22 comments)

copyright: COPYRIGHT REVISITED, OR IS IT RECYCLED. Correcting Misinformation. - 07/14/07 01:48 PM
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copyright: THE COST OF COPYRIGHT REGISTRATION - UP 50% - 07/05/07 05:48 PM
GOOD GRIEF!
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copyright: YOU CANNOT "REPRINT" ON ACTIVE RAIN. IT IS COPYRGHT INFRINGEMENT - 06/18/07 08:38 AM
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copyright: COPYRIGHT ENFORCEMENT REVISITED with AN INTERESTING ANGLE - 03/08/07 09:19 AM
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                                                                        DANGER, WILL ROBINSON   *   DANGER, WILL ROBINSON  *  DANGER, WILL ROBINSON
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KRISTAL, YOU JUST MADE MY DAY ! ! ! !
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copyright: Copyright and Real Estate Web Sites, My Experience - 08/13/06 06:36 PM
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Anonymous
Anonymous

Interesting stuff Lenn.  Your suggestions are helpful because sometimes people do it in ignorance - especially the music and videos, and maps.  Thanks for the reminder that someone else created it and you need to ask for permission.  I guess if you get tired of real estate you could coast through law school focusing on copyright law. :)

Feb 09, 2009 07:02 AM
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Anonymous
Monica Neubauer - Franklin TN

Sorry, that last post was mine.  I forgot I wasn't logged in.

Monica

Feb 09, 2009 07:03 AM
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Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Monica.  Thanks.  I love what I do.  I also have a very large collection of visuals for my web sites and blogs.  I also have a wonderful attorney.

 

Feb 09, 2009 08:33 AM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

Hi Lenn -- Anyone who hits "Control-C" ought to think real hard it they aren't copying their own stuff from one application to another, it's truly that simple.  The experts say that things published today on the Internet will stay for decades, even if we delete them, so I'm sure as blogging and websites become even more prolific, and the tools to catch cheaters mature, watch out!

Feb 09, 2009 09:20 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Lenn, Do you feel like a broken record sometimes? I'm not sure why this is such a difficult topic for people to get. I do like "Write the damn thing yourself!!!" It really couldn't be much simpler.

Feb 09, 2009 09:48 AM
Bob & Carolin Benjamin
Benjamin Realty LLC - Gold Canyon, AZ
East Phoenix Arizona Homes

Thanks for all the links to the wonderful things you have written -- will save those ..just the other day someone asked me about if they could snag photos off the web -- and i was looking for one of your good resources to refer them to.

Feb 09, 2009 03:25 PM
Ryan Shaughnessy
PREA Signature Realty - www.preasignaturerealty.com - Saint Louis, MO
Broker/Attorney - Your Lafayette Square Real Estate Partner

Seems simple - write it yourself... Wow, brilliant concept.  Too bad some people can't seem to figure that out.  I hope you catch more of them.

Feb 09, 2009 05:02 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Ryan.  Thanks.  Simple solutions from a simple minded person.

Bob. & Carolin.  Of course, the simple answer to their questions is "probably not".  Of course, there are places one can safely get photos to use, but the "snagger" rarely reads the fine print.

Bryant.  Chuckle, chuckle. Yes, subtlety hasn't worked all that well, has it.

Chris.  Good advice.  There are warnings all over the place but folks ignore the warnings that images may be copyright protected.  They are just not paying attention. 

 

Feb 09, 2009 08:32 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

You definately are the 'go to' lady for copyright.  Thanks again for your clarifications.

Scenario: 

1) Bozo website publishes MLS sales data - they publish it in a cute box form according to town & copyright it.

2) I use that cute box because it's got the MLS data I need, can use, ask for permission - no reply to permission request.

3) Use in my blog with market update for town.

4) Get busted from AR heads for copyright of cute box.

5) Confused about Bozo website being able to copyright MLS data and calling it their own. 

6) I should have just done my own cute box of MLS data right? 

 

Feb 10, 2009 03:06 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Lyn.  In a word, YES.  You should have done your own cute box of MLS data.

It's a little understood area of copyright.  There is data and there is information.  Raw data is not copyright protected.  Information developed through the use of that data is copyright protected. 

Once that person created the box with the informaton therein, it was copyright protected.

MLS output is copyright protected by the MLS.  However, once that data is used to create a list or report, that is copyright protected by the person who created the list.  The key word being "created".

 

Feb 10, 2009 03:50 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Thank you Lenn, I knew you would know the answer!  I'll get working on that cute box.

Feb 10, 2009 05:14 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Lists and such are easy in Excel.  The MLS permits you to aggregate the data and you can post it to Excel. 

Feb 10, 2009 06:31 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Select Properties-St. Louis Missouri - Des Peres, MO
SelectAnn.com

Lenn,

So if you take a report directly from the MLS you are infringing?  I have seen many do that in the Rain and was curious what the policy was. 

Ann Hayden in starry Wildwood, Missouri

Feb 10, 2009 12:22 PM
Karen Monsour
Coldwell Banker Fort Lauderdale Beach - Fort Lauderdale, FL
REALTOR, SSRS - Sells FL Waterfront, Short Sale Expert!

Lenn,

Geeze, thanks for doing all that work to answer my question to you!  You sure did clear up all the issues here...Featured and all!

 

Feb 10, 2009 01:22 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Karen.  My pleasure.  You were the inspiration.

Ann.  Careful when you accuse others of infringing without knowing how they compiled or aggregated the data.  I have been accused of illegal acts because I publish IDX lisitngs, which, as a broker I have a right to do.  TOTOH, if someone copies and publishes the MLS listing report, well. . . . . .

 

Feb 11, 2009 12:03 AM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Select Properties-St. Louis Missouri - Des Peres, MO
SelectAnn.com

Lenn,

I would never accuse anyone unless it was taken from me.  Which brings me to another question: what if someone publishes a post on another site without the author's permission? 

Ann Hayden in rain soaked Wildwood, Missouri

Feb 11, 2009 06:24 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Ann.  I don't understand the question about "another site"??

Folkd have been known to copy ActiveRain articles and publishing them on other web sites and blogs.

 

Feb 11, 2009 06:49 AM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Lenn,

Great post..written with great passion! I marvel at your enthusiasm and you are sooooooooooo

right!

Feb 15, 2009 10:09 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Thanks Dorie. 

We have to protect our copyrights.  No one else is going to do it for us.

 

Feb 15, 2009 10:32 PM
Mike Jones
SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC (BK-0907366, NMLS 145171) - Tucson, AZ
Mike Jones NMLS 223495

Lenn,

It took me nearly as long to scroll down to the first comment as it did to get past the comments.  I finally gave up and hit Control End.  Love the title; found this on Gabrielle Rhind's post.  Today, you're my favorite blogger.  Painter, too!

Mike in Tucson

Feb 16, 2009 02:31 PM