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ACTIVERAIN - The NEW "RainMaker" Membership Plan

EDITED 7/10/2009 

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We are implementing some changes in our membership structure on ActiveRain for NEW MEMBERS.  We believe the NEW membership plan will be beneficial to both our existing members and to our "New" members joining the Community.  We want ALL NEW MEMBERS to reap the same benefits and rewards that existing members have created and experienced in the past.  The time has come for us to make a change.

Since 2006, ActiveRain has been hosting members Blogs for FREE.  Many AR members have contributed fantastic content, and as a result has driven visitor traffic and SEO over the top.  (Over 2,000,000 visits monthly)  These members, along with our team, have worked hard and long to achieve these results.  It's been a wonderful partnership and the rewards and success stories are simply amazing.

ActiveRain has hit a certain level of maturity and any new members signing up are in a position to receive tremendous benefits and value by doing so.  Our founding members have had to invest much more time and effort when they signed up and got started here.  The amount of consumers visiting the site is dramatically higher and the potential to learn, interact and share are all exponentially greater than they were two years ago.  ActiveRain has become a very powerful network and useful resource to the Real Estate Industry.

The Network has clearly reached a point where participation here provides an undeniable tangible value to our members in the form of on-line marketing, networking, and as an educational forum.  There really is no other Network or Community that compares to ours.

The ActiveRain New Membership Structure and Plan:

  • Members who have already setup accounts and have existing Blogs on ActiveRain will continue to benefit from their FREE access to the community and network. (nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs)
  • A "Basic" ActiveRain account will still be available to new members for FREE, however these new accounts will be limited to "Members Only" postings.  This means that any new members will still be able to benefit from the networking aspects of ActiveRain for FREE, but will not be able to tap in to ActiveRain's huge consumer reach unless they sign up for the "New Membership Plan."
  • The New ActiveRain Membership (For New Members ONLY) will cost $39.00 per month, and will include an Outside ActiveBlog along with a unique domain name that allows them the ability to post content that will be visible to both consumers and search engines. 
  • Any member accounts that were created before February 16th, 2009, but have NOT yet produced at least a single Blog post will continue to have access to the network and all the tools that they've utitlized up to this point.  If those members wish to activate their account so their Blog posts will be viewable to consumers and search engines, they'll be required to sign up for the New Membership Plan at $29 per month. 

All New and Existing ActiveRain Members will also receive:

  • Listing Router "Wholesale" pricing, with clicks being delivered to the highest bidder on an auction basis.  All members will have the opportunity to pay the same price as bulk wholesale buyers.  This represents a 70% per bid price reduction.
  • The NEW Rainmaker Badge: If you currently utilize any AR product (Listing Router Campaign, Outside Blogs, Sponsored Localism Communities etc.)  the new RainMaker VIP Badge will appear when leaving comments and wherever the member profile picture is currently displayed.
  • ALL Outside Blogs will now have the ability to add multiple users/authors.  The pricing will only be $19 per month for existing AR members going forward. (This includes Individual and Group Blogs)
  • Premium technical support will continue for paying members.  Non paying members will only have access to email based support.  These changes will be rolled out over the next few weeks and will be automatically applied to member accounts.
  • Weekly ActiveRain Webinars and On-line Training will also be made available to ALL ActiveRain Members.

All current members will be given ActiveRain Founder Accounts.  You have gotten us to this point and your contributions have been the fuel to mature the network.  Again, nothing changes for our existing Active AR members.

This new membership plan goes into effect at 5am PST on Monday, February 16th, 2009.  Feel free to contact any of the ActiveRain staff or team if you have any questions or concerns.  We are looking forward to the continued growth and success of our network and YOUR business here on ActiveRain. Thank you for your continued support, your contributions, and your allegiance.

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798 Comments on ActiveRain's NEW RainMaker Membership Plan

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16
2009
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Hi Brad, interesting. great job as always on the detail of your posts. Much appreciated. Keep up the good work. 
2:43am • #1
133,890 Points 18 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Wow, what a HUGE change!  Congrats and I can't wait to see where this goes!  Sure glad I started back when we had 20,000 members so I can be a Founding Member ;-)  I think this is going to be one of those "I remember when" moments!

Janie Coffey
2:58am • #2
569,822 Points 100 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

I looked up and saw 135,000 members.  I still can not believe how much we have come.
3:00am • #3
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

As one who began their involvement in the early days as a member, this plan makes total sense. There is no denying that AR offers excellent search engine results for those who are willing to invest the time and energy to post quality content. This is a value that surely warrants the change. But I also appreciate that new members will be able to participate in the networking and info sharing aspects, without cost. That, in and of itself, is worth the price of admission!
3:14am • #4
320,806 Points 52 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I wish I had know about this last week.  I would  have held the blogging class then (instead of Wednesday).  What's that old saying...timing is everything?

 
3:23am • #5
362,055 Points 5 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp

Great move! I'm teaching a class Tuesday for my KW office and will have to update the 'free' aspect. Ah, timing. But I support you 100%. XXOO

Would love to talk to you about my free blog site by the way. Want to use it but have questions.

 
4:10am • #6
1,007,296 Points 208 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Smart decision, Brad (and the AR gang)!  And, WOW--VIP and Founding status together!  I feel SO special!

Just one question about all of this--does this mean that I'm going to lose my personal IT guy?! ;)

Debe in Charlotte
4:20am • #7
778,488 Points 21 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Maybe you should purge all of the "inactive" members first? Active Rain is an amazing resource with participation. There is a lot of dead weight. Shame on them for not knowing what they have.
4:27am • #8
156,776 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Wow = Didn't see this coming
4:45am • #9
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Ellie brings up an interesting point. Those members with inactive accounts who have basically abandoned them shouldn't get the same benefits of members who have broken their back for this network. Those inactive members should be purged even if at the cost of a total user reduction. We all know there's not really 135,000 active members anyways but no community is, in fact most only have 5% full user activity.
4:50am • #10
953,474 Points 96 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I wonder if the hundreds of people that I have invited will now regret not joining. Gosh knows I tried!
5:19am • #11
235,164 Points 25 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp

Brad,

I am soooo glad I joined over a year ago! I think the changes are a good idea. Thanks for everything. AR has truly changed my job!
5:41am • #12
358,265 Points 31 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router

Huge Change!

Let's see how it impacts interest and membership going forward.

DEAN & DEAN'S TEAM CHICAGO
5:45am • #13
1,036,221 Points 26 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

I am glad I started a couple of years ago. This is a great site.
5:48am • #14
2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

thanks for the update on the changes - I like the above comment about getting rid of the inactive members first - will charging a fee stop people from signing up??
5:48am • #15
214,803 Points 9 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

This is a GREAT benefit for us old timers, Glad you Grandfathered us in.  We are starting Monday Morning with a Smile!
5:53am • #17
1,192,844 Points 89 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Just keep repeating to myself.....

nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs

nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs 

nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs 

nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs

nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs

nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs

nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs

nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs

except doesn't stuff change?  there are changes for

"Existing" members....

 

 
5:56am • #18
1,544,357 Points 416 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I don't believe that agents will pay it.  The benefits are intangible and the yearly amount will be a barrier. 

Some mortgage folks will pay it because they can market their services directly to agent members. 

I believe that if ActiveRain were more branded as a "Real Estate Network", the chances of new paying members would be better.  However, as long as the subtitle "Social Network" lingers, I don't believe so.

Of course, I could be wrong. . . .

again.
6:00am • #19
776,771 Points 47 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad,

Sounds like a good business decision for Active Rain going forward. Thanks for taking care of the current members while you move forward with the new plan.

Rich

 
6:02am • #20
1,137,488 Points 139 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Brad, Good for the old timers - how do you think that this will affect your new subscribers? I just invited 10 people. I told them that this was a free service. Well I guess I'll have to tell them that it was free at the time...
6:03am • #21
133,890 Points 18 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

hmmm, maybe those inactive members will be putting their personas up on Ebay?  ;-) ya never know!

 
6:05am • #22
803,408 Points 27 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Thanks for the update. Glad I joined when I did..wow a founding member!! Cool!!
6:14am • #23
446,989 Points 28 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Seems to me that everyone has until 5:00 AM PACIFIC TIME today to get their invitees up and moving!!! Hey, can I still invite people after the charge goes into effect?  Will I get a finder's fee?

 

(I originally misread it, thought it said 5:00PM, and was about to blast out some re-invites.  Oh well.)
6:15am • #24
220,023 Points

CHANGE is everywhere --- Sounds good!
6:21am • #25
1,016,403 Points 25 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

You warned us. . .that changes are coming.
6:26am • #26

Sounds great! I would like to thank you for showing your appreciation for the founding members. I have belonged to some groups in the past that didn't do that. It was free one day and the next you were being asked to pay. Congratulations on the growth.
6:32am • #27
733,182 Points 136 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I disagree with Lenn about new members not paying. I am nickled and dimed to death every month with things I signed up and pay for, and this does include the new outside blog - right?  Some people think anything "free" is useless but now ActiveRain will seem to them to have value.  Exception: a 30-day free trial makes sense. 

It was inevitable that you had to monetize this business to produce revenue at some point, and I thank you for respecting your current members by not changing their terms.  Way to go!
6:33am • #28

Wow...fascinating.  So glad I got started blogging earlier this week.  I'm sure the changes will be beneficial to the community.

 
6:34am • #29
320,285 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Bold move in an economic turndown. I agree that all the old unactive members should be purged. I know 3 in my area that dont even have licenses anymore. Purge them.
6:40am • #30
1,544,357 Points 416 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

My guess that new agents won't pay is from watching agents marketing on the Internet for years.  Margaret may have a point that ActiveRain may be perceived to have signficant value simply because there is a fee. 

However, just look at the folks who do NOT participate when it's free. 

We'll see.  Monetizing a web site is difficult at best.  Generally, the traffic alone will attract advertising dollars.  That's where the money is.  Marketing services and benefits to members for a fee is one thing.  Charging a fee to market their services to agents is going to take some work.  They'll have to perceive a benefit for the cost. 

I'm not sure it will work.  We'll see.
6:41am • #31
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Wow - this makes me glad I joined when I did.  I have around 13,000+ points right now, and it seems like so much work to have attained that - I cannot imaging how some folks hit 100,000+ - except that they have been with the network for years? 

Active Rain is a great tool for networking and being "seen" on the Internet.  I hope new members will see these benefits and join in !
6:42am • #32
587,684 Points 80 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp

Brad - Wow that is a big change.  I hope the reward outweighs the risk in terms of keeping up the growth without losing new members to the price in a bad market.  I certainly think it is a HUGE value and we are SO glad we are a part of it.  We also believe that AR deserves to have a revenue stream for providing such a wonderful asset as well!  It will be interesting to see how things go.  ~ Chris Somers
6:43am • #33
1,192,844 Points 89 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Lenn said "Some mortgage folks will pay it because they can market their services directly to agent members."

can't they do that for free? via member to member.  It is if they want to address consumers it will cost $. Or maybe I am reading it wrong.

I have had little luck encouraging local lenders to post content for free.  I invited a number, a few joined.  I am not sure any posted content to members or consumers. 

I read it as 5 PM first too and thought I would encourage those I'd invited to do their first post today.  Too late. I feel real bad for my bud who joined and then quit in a snit over what another member in our office said at a sales meeting.  I was not there so he had to tell me that I lost his points because of what someone else said.  When did Teri Lussier leave and why?  I did not notice until a couple of weeks later.... but saw a little sign via Twiitter of "taking marbles and leaving."
6:46am • #34
378,205 Points 48 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Hi Brad,

My manager Claudia Fox joined on 2/11/09. She has written a blog already.  For some reason she is appearing under Albany even though we put New York, Manhattan in her profile. Can you correct that? Thanks.

Everyone say Hi to Claudia she is really nice.

http://activerain.com/claudiafox
6:48am • #35
446,989 Points 28 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Maureen ... Email Teri directly ... she has some strong opinions.  (Brad you should email her, too.  Though I know she was talking with XBroker Jeff.)

I think you read it correctly ... I read the same thing.  Member to member remains free.  Consumer visibility is $

But, too bad, I would have liked a little advance warning to give some of my unaccepted invitees a little nudge.   And to send out a couple more invitations I'm been meaning to send, but didn't get around to......  :-)

 
6:52am • #36
1,192,844 Points 89 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

I KNOW she does. You can't miss 'em.  Thanks Cheryl.
6:54am • #37
571,309 Points 39 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Called Shot Master

seems like there was quite a bit of thought that went into this new structure.  after reading the comments I wonder myself about the inactive accounts that are here.  can they be purged after a certain amount of time with inactivity? 
6:55am • #38
296,965 Points 3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

Very cool I love the fact that you are wiling to reward those people that have been there through the beginning and who have contributed to everyones success.
6:55am • #39
226,285 Points 10 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router

Brad - I fully understand the business aspect of charging new users... I think that adding a cost to the service is necessary for the the long term health of AR - I'm glad that there will be no change for current members and thanking for providing us with this "priceless" service. 
6:57am • #40
262,009 Points 8 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I love Active Rain, its become my morning companion.  I'm very glad to be "grandfathered" in via the Founders club.  The email I got about the Founders club said it would be free for one year... then we will need to buy into like everyone else.. is that still true? 
6:59am • #41
1,224,415 Points 262 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad...

As a Founding Member (I like the sound of that) anything that puts cash in the system and keeps the platform afloat is fine with me!
7:06am • #42
557,279 Points 38 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Thank you for the heads up. I shall have to let my guys know. They have been dragging their feet. I have the sneaking suspicion I shall be seated at my computer with agents in tow opening accounts like their personal secretary (LOL). I've only been talking non-stop about this place for how long? April 2008? This is going to be very interesting. Oh my word - too funny! Does this qualify as the great account rush? :-)
7:06am • #43
594,759 Points 18 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Good morning Brad,

It looks like there are some exciting changes coming to an already GREAT place to be.
7:07am • #44

Hey Maureen-

A little birdie pointed me to this post...

I understand, respect, and have no issues with AR, or the other agents participating here, who derive enormous benefits from membership here. Every business model, market, need, and experience is different. This comment reflects my experience only.

I left because the system is buggy and the localism account was competing against my own blog. Time was, back in the day, that my AR account competed against TheBrickRanch.com, which was okay, but the new localism roll out replaced my AR blog in search engines. As you know, localism is populated by competing agents. Basically I was adding content in order to compete against myself. Didn't make a lick of sense to me.

Also, I can network more quickly and efficiently with other agents on twitter.

The best to all of you!

 

 
Teri Lussier
7:07am • #45
317,970 Points 32 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Good for you all at AR headquarters and for us.  We do work hard and the forum creates great business opportunities if you are consistant and post valuable information.  I hope you do well with this new effort.  It can only mean more innovations and improvements with an extra cash flow in the stream.  Good luck.  PS I finally subscribed to your blog because I miss things other wise.  Don't know why I did not do it before.  If I could Blog for a living I would I love it!
7:13am • #46
446,989 Points 28 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Oh, here's an idea:

Allow each founding member a small number of FREE ACCOUNT invitations ... maybe based on points ... maybe 4 invites per 100,000 points or something along those lines .....

And a person who receives and accepts that invitiation gets in under the old ALL FREE pricing.....

 
7:15am • #47
393,096 Points 42 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

I'm very interested in seeing how many agents are willing to pay.

But sometimes when you put a price on something you create perceived value.

I think the price is too high.  I would make it $9.95/month.  Make it comparable to going out and setting up a wordpress blog with a site at GoDaddy.com.  Then sell all of the SEO benefits as free extras.
7:18am • #48
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Brad, could you address if new members(with a free account) will be able to utilize localism for their content? If so then that content would be public no? 

edit: and i'm guessing that would apply for the free outside blog we all started with as well.

As far as new members paying, i think it's a great way to seperate the members who contribute to this network from the ones who don't and leach from it. At least now with the hefty price tag we can be assured to get more quality members.
7:21am • #49
208,442 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Lenn,  I totally agree with you.  I thought that this was only a matter of time after Point2Point decided to start charging as well.  Glad that they at least grandfathered the rest of us in.  I also must agree when someone said about purging old unused profiles, but then that really wouldn't help AR except for freeing up a little space on their servers.
7:21am • #50

I wish I could support this, but I don't. There are way too many "free" blog hosting companies out there that also have good SEO. As new agents join our company I've encouraged them to begin bloggin on here, we will now have to go elsewhere.   Best of luck to you all, it's sad that we will be directing the efforts of our agents and staff to another site.

 
7:22am • #51
391,156 Points 14 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

In a word; "WOW."  This, in my opinion, is a great move.  I appreciate the fact that you took into consideration the time and effort of the existing members. Thank you.

Kathy
7:22am • #52
250,608 Points 77 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Think you should go one step further.  Those of us who started in the summer of 2006 should be considered founding members or maybe "legacy members"  In active rain years we are 300 years old.
7:29am • #53
405,235 Points 34 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Active Rain has providede me with so much new knowledge and a resource for learning about, expanding and building an internet presence for free and in the maenrime AR had grown too and added vlue to me! I am gladI signed up last yera and plan to keep a couple of Localism neifhborhoods as well as upgrading my outside blog in the near future! All good things worth paying for!
7:29am • #54
538,546 Points 6 Featured Posts

Hi Brad:

It should be interesting to see how new membership does for this point..

ToulaRosebrock.com
7:30am • #55
1,154,466 Points 116 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I would think that purging members who joined and then did not post after 3 months would be a good idea.  I've also tried to send emails to some group leaders who obviously are no longer active on the network to ask about taking the reigns of the group with no response.  This is another area that needs to be explored as well.
7:30am • #56
780,886 Points 71 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I think it is a great move Brad. As I have said many times in the past it is well worth the money!
7:31am • #57
125,489 Points

Hey, I finally got in on the grond floor of something and it has a real benefit.  Yea for me!
7:37am • #58
446,989 Points 28 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

 T:  We can borrow your name for the grandparents:  "The Ancient Ones".  :-)   I was going to ask Brad about Localism as well. 

From reading Brad's annoucement post it sounds to me that one would need to be a founding or paying member for posts to appear on Localism.  After all, Localism does not display "members only" posts. 

On the other hand, that kind of wipes out the idea of opening Localism up to small local non-real estate businesses.

 
7:37am • #59
381,475 Points 19 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

H Brad, Thanks for the detailed explanation. Glad I joined when I did.
7:44am • #60
253,248 Points 58 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

Major Change!! Can't wait to see where it goes.
7:47am • #61
706,583 Points 36 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad, I joined Active rain over a year ago, have had a few featured posts, have clients than check my localism blog frequently and I'm seeing recognition for my efforts. I feel this move (announced) is fair and balanced, after all I have spent a good amount of time contributing and like all the other existing  account holders We would feel we deserve to be grandfathered. If I joined and were able to post members only blogs, it would truly be up to me to determine if the value was there and I could justify paying for the service.  Steve
7:50am • #62
224,348 Points 22 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad, what a great idea!  I'm so happy to be considered one of the founding members.  I think of all the agents I've tried to recruit here that have never signed up.  They'll be sorry they didn't.  Great move!

Lina Robertson - RE/MAX Solutions - Realtor
7:50am • #63
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

gail tassey said:

"The email I got about the Founders club said it would be free for one year... then we will need to buy into like everyone else.. is that still true?"

so if i understand that correctly, founding members only have this free service for 1 more year starting today? some clarification is needed here. Anyone else know anything about that?

Can you link me to that source gail? We just checked our inbox and didn't see any founding members club msg.
7:51am • #64
539,079 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Wow, this is a big change. All the best with the new concept. As an existing member, thank you. ActiveRain has provided a forum for good interaction among my peers and of course the ultimate "Google Juice". Thanks again.
7:52am • #65
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Hi Brad,

I concur, this is a huge business decision and I think it will be very interesting to watch.  I think this is a smart, strategic decision.  You all have built an amazing product and engine and we can't expect to get so much for free.  I saw how people objected to $19/month for the outside blog so $29/month is likely to be met with objections. 

Agents need good solid training on everything AR has to offer.  I do believe that once people "get it" they come on board with things.

I do have one question, your post states, "ALL Outside Blogs will now have the ability to add multiple users/authors.  The pricing will only be $19 per month for existing AR members going forward. (This includes Individual and Group Blogs)"

What does this mean?  If you could elaborate on this I would greatly appreciate it.

Jodi Bakst
7:57am • #66
210,126 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog

This will be interesting to watch.

Geeze, I remember when the first AR member got to 1,000 points. We said "no way, a THOUSAND points!!" Of course that was before there were blogs and comments. About all you could do was invite other people.

Brad - you guys should give the member that left the first blog post ever on AR a few free memberships to hand out.... ;)
8:00am • #67
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Cheryl, good point. if they needed to buy into active rain to use localism than that would defeat their purpose. Perhaps The AR team is going to charge use on localism when it goes live. One hopes they won't cut out our ability to post things directly to localism from AR.
8:05am • #68
1,192,844 Points 89 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Jay said "you guys should give the member that left the first blog post ever"

 

Who???? who wrote the first post ever?
8:07am • #69
848,522 Points 153 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I have no problem with this, just think it would be good to give new members 30 days free, to see if they will appreciate what we have here.  Wise Agent a CRM gave us 30.00 days free, lots of training, no credit card to put in.

Our team loved it and signed up, we felt no pressure, if we didn't like it oh well.

The support was fabulous so we are quite happy with that decision.

Also think it would be good to purge the folks who signed up and have never posted.

 
8:12am • #70
200,475 Points 57 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Hey Guys,  This is great!  Congratulations and I'm so happy for you all.  I think it's a fantastic idea and well deserved. 

Thanks for everything that all of you do.
8:21am • #71
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Well thank goodness I'm already here because I would really hate to leave and I would have to cut back on something else to stay, ugh!  I know the people in my area won't pay for this , at least the ones that I've talked too.  They were skeptical when it was free and that was when we had a better economy.  I really hope this isn't the beginning of the end for AR :(
8:23am • #72
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Great job on the new profile pictures within blog comments. Always ahead of the 8ball :)
8:24am • #73
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Victor - you're on it, the first to comment so early in the morn...    thanks.

Janie - I remember starting when you started, that was about the time I started too. 

Randy - We'll hit 200,000 this year easily I'm sure, maybe 250,000.

Rich - You know I agree with you on that one, thanks for being one of the pioneers that got AR started.

Kris - timing is everything.  Your class is blessed to have you sharing this with them, you have watched this network grow and this is just the beginning.  You're a proud founder and contributor of one of the greatest Real Estate Networks in the country.  There are many out there who still need to see and know the value that AR brings to the Industry and to their business.  You're a great ambassador to do that.  Thanks.  :-)
8:25am • #74
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I think $29 per month is very high, but I'm not here to make your decisions for you, and I don't advocate for my competition. I guess I am lucky I locked in the $19 when I upgraded this past week, although even that seemed high.

On another note, if this is going to become a fee- based platform, please clean up the referral exchange, which is a cesspool of spam and faux postings.
8:27am • #75
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With the photo's now appearing with comments, I bet this will change some things around here.  I see this as yet another great improvement from our developement team.  These guys are some of the best I have ever met and I am so proud to be part of this team.  It just keeps getting better and better all the time! 
8:29am • #76
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Great new features indeed. You guys do a great job.
8:30am • #77

Oh no, I've just gotten really active since Jan 2009.  I've sent out to all my fellow agents to get on here because it is awesome and FREE.  I didn't know that you were going to start charging.  Most of them have been "waiting" for a rainy day or something.

I think you should consider offering it at $19.95 per month since things are so tough in the real estate market right now.  Lucky me I signed up a while back and didn't really use the sight.  Diane Aurit has been awesome at helping me out.  I'm getting better each week with her help and all the other agents on AR that have helped.
8:35am • #78
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Wow, interesting move in these economically challenging times. Seems to me the pricing is a bit strong, since I can get an outside blog for $10/month elsewhere. I know there is better value in AR than other blogs, but how will you convince the new members to join in the face of that pricing?

As far as purging inactive members, who cares? If they are inactive, they are not receiving any benefits from AR, so why are so many of you insisting they be purged or be made to pay? They are irrelevant.

I do wish now that I had created on outside blog instead of choosing to maintain just my AR blog, but that's life...

Good luck with the move,
8:37am • #79
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Wow glad I signed up in the beginning, and that I came back recently to post...would hate to be purged but would understand if you did do that. So do we still get the VIP for the outside blogs if we sign up now or has that passed too?
8:38am • #80
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Hey where's my picture ???
8:39am • #81
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Brad-  I wish I had pushed the people I got to join, to add a post.  Most of them never got around to it, when it was free, and now I doubt they ever will.
8:45am • #82
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I don't like this because there are so many ways to generate money already in place.  I really think that what's in place works.  I have two big hitters that I've been trying to get in the rain for sometime, but the price tag will kabash that.  To pay when it takes so long to get recognized is a dfficult consideration.  Needless to say, I personally find that there's so many benefits that I'd have a hard time turning my back on the rain.  I'm just grateful that I'm part of the founder's club.  Thanks AR.
8:45am • #83
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Hi -- I think Lenn raises some interesting points.  Good luck to you and I hope that this brings in the revenue you have been looking for!
8:45am • #84
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Where's my picture too?
8:46am • #85
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Maureen, I believe the first was a guy we now call Grandaddy... :-)

Brad.. The guys at AR rock and I am happy for all of the exciting times ahead for the company.
8:48am • #86
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@Maureen... Oh I want to know that, too.  Who posted the very, very first blog on Active Rain?  Probably one of AR's creators, but I'd still like to know. 
8:52am • #87
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Brad - This was a move that many of us anticipated for over a year, but I always figured I would have to pay as well.  Good stuff, my friend.  On another note, how do I get my photo to show up with my comment?  I see tons of those floating around today all of a sudden.
8:53am • #88

Phew, made it in by the skin of my teeth with one blog post!

It is a good move htough i think, and it is good to see you taking care of the 'fouding fathers' as it were. More site owners in various industries can learn from that!
8:53am • #89
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Susie - call me today, I can walk you through getting that setup in about 5 minutes.  My number is on my profile.  If today doesn't work for you, at your convenience then. 

Debe - lol~  I'll always be your personal IT guy, and the rest of the team is here behind you too. 

Ellie - maybe now they'll come back and be more active, members who have joined in the past 2-3 years and not contributed will still have a profile here, but they missed an awesome opportunity to become founders and grow with the network.  I don't know how the purge thing will work, that'll be a great topic to add to our next meeting agenda. 

Sandra - I always thought this day would come, just didn't know when. Now that AR has proven to the members and Industry to have great value and benefits beyond doubt, we need to keep it alive and thriving for those who have helped build it, we also need to keep it growing and improving for those who want to jump on and share in the networks successes.  There is a cost for us to do this, some values come at a price, but members can still join for free.  AR once again is giving options and choices to our new members.

DID YOU KNOW - AR members produce nearly 12,000 new posts per week?  My guess is sometime in the next 60-90 days, we will have over 1,000,000 articles and posts on ActiveRain.
8:56am • #90
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WOW.  This is a huge change. Glad I signed up about a year ago when I did.  Too bad to the people I invited and they chose not to join.  Their loss. 
8:58am • #91
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Man, I barely got my account set up....oh wait, I been here long enough to not need to worry.  Whew! :)  I hope the new structure works out well!  I am sure we will see shortly!
8:59am • #93
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To clarify: If you created your account and posted at least one blog entry before February 16, 2009 (5am PST), you are considered a Founding member. You (the Founding members) are the driving force behind ActiveRain and will never be charged to participate in the network. 
9:00am • #94
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Brad - Interesting move.  Its actually made me sit and think about the value I have received so far from ActiveRain.  I hope this works out well for the team and all of us here (new members are always a great thing).  It took me a little bit to wrap my head around the new FREE account and Members Only posts, but now that I re-read it, I understand what you're doing and I like that concept.

Certainly glad I asked Kristin Moran questions when I did.
9:00am • #95
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Brad,

Success brings challenges and obstacles. I can remember before I even discovered blogging I was paying so much in advertising, and I could not blink without dumping thousands a month. I have had obtained a number listings, and a slew of buyers from this media. I think my return for a few listing routers and a few outside blogs, as well as some effort, is an amazing return for the fact that it brought 5 digits of income back, and I name could have never been out there like it is now.

$29 bucks, can you even eat for that anymore?

Business is business, and it was inevitable that this day was going to come.

Sincerely

Tom Braatz
9:01am • #96
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fabulous! Thanks for keeping the current members in mind! I hope we continue to grow
9:03am • #97
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It will be interesting to see how this pans out.  I'm commenting just so I can stay informed on this post...
9:04am • #98
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Premium technical support will continue for paying members. 

Brad- Does "paying members" include Listing Router and Community Sponsors, or are you only referring to those paying for an outside blog?
9:04am • #99
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Jason, apparently if you use a service on Active rain or on Localism then you are honored with a badge. You of all people should be able to turn in some points for a badge as a trade-in. 

edit: it appears you and jeremy blanton to name a few also have your badges now. I'm not sure if you guys just paid for a service and/or if you already had been paying for something but regardless there you are :)
9:07am • #100
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NOW THATS A WAY TO WAKE UP THE MEMBERS ON MONDAY MORNING! 

No doubt many will be kicking themselves for several different reasons...I am with Len, one more monthly fee.  It's only $XX a month!  Yes, but they are all adding up and I am thinking twice about a lot of them....and so will everyone else...

just this friday we had a speaker come in, and in mentioning AR, he eluded to "the future", and I thought he was nuts....looks like he's very accurate!  And Tom, your comment about where can you eat for $29 anymore, makes you look like a New Yorker!

So, I guess I am feeling lucky, that I got on board (and was truly active) when I did!

 
9:10am • #101
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Well, let's see where it goes.  I am glad to have been in early.  AR has been a HUGE help to me, but I don't know if I would have taken the leap if I had to enter my credit card first.  Obviously, you are running a business and have to make decisions accordingly. I just hope this does not create stagnation with a slow-down in new memberships.  People are really reluctant to spend money right now. The people here are great, but the new blood is invaluable.
9:17am • #102
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A question from the curious. What happens to the content of those who join now, create content and stop paying at a later date?
9:19am • #103
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Good luck with your new program. I'm curious as to what percentage of invitations sent have turned into memberships. I know most of my invitations went unanswered. I think you'll have to put together a good sales presentation to get new members at $29 per month especially when many people are looking for ways to reduce expenses in a tight market.
9:19am • #104
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Brad:  Glad to see the "I signed up but never contributed anything members are not receiving future services, beyond a basic membership, free.  This is a ell thought out plan.  Thanks.
9:20am • #105
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This very nice indeed of AR to keep things "status quo" for the present members and start fresh with new ones.

 

Patricia Aulson/  Portsmouth NH Real Estate
9:21am • #106
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I like the way you've added the branding to our comments.  It should have been done years ago, along with letting us indicate the area we service. 

Let's hope the new fee structure generates income for all the hardworking folks behind the curtain.

kk
9:23am • #107
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Brad - interesting ... I will wait with anticipation what will happen with membership etc...I understand that lots of times people don't perceive any value in freebies...but it seems to me like 29 is a steep price...well, my two cents...

AR rocks...

With smiles,

Bo
9:23am • #108
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The main issue with my collegues when I talked about joining AR was that they wanted to know the ROI and I couldn't tell them that exactly because I don't keep track of how long I'm on here. And I did it by the time I joined and the business I've gotten I definitely wouldn't pay for that.  The contacts and material I have learned are priceless but in the end people can't pay their mortgage or buy groceries with "priceless".
9:24am • #109
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As far as I am concerned Brad Active Rain deserves it. We have all worked very hard to get to this point as you said and it is about time to pay the price for your teams hard work and genius. This site has a tremendous amount of benefit.
9:25am • #110
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I like Teresa's idea about those who joined way back in the summer of 2006 -
<Think you should go one step further.  Those of us who started in the summer of 2006 should be considered founding members or maybe "legacy members"  In active rain years we are 300 years old.>

As for the comments wanting more time for free invites - what difference would that make at this point?  I guess I'm missing something there.  If those who were invited didn't see the value in joining back when they were invited, why would they now?  They can still join for free, they just have some limitations on what they can do for the 'free' status.

My guess is that Jay wrote the very first post here on AR, since he posed the question and then added a smiley face after it - am I correct Mr. Phoenix Homes Guy???   ;-))

Interesting changes all over the place these days....
Ann
9:26am • #111
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I have a picture!!!!!!  Thanks A.R.
9:26am • #112
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I'm back.. hey, where's my picture? Anyway, I just had one other question which I see has been brought up - what about 30-days free with no cc until...If you could decide by tomorrow morning early that would be great info for my class...

Thanks!

 
9:30am • #113

Congratulations Brad, I think you guys are getting things pretty well figured out... the AR platform is relevant and it works!
9:33am • #114
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PS. AR certainly deserves to get paid for the network it has created.  I am glad I am in the non-paying pool.
9:36am • #115
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I can tell you that the barrier to agents on A/R first for blogging is that:

1.  They are still daunted by blogging, not sure where to start, afraid they won't add content that is worthy (wonder where that comes from with all the posts about what NOT to write about).

and then

2.  Though I do fully understand the need for A/R to monetize the existing membership who writes are the ones that are convinced of the worth.  It is the inactive membership of A/R that is not or is scared to and these are the folks you are seeking a membership fee from.

I have seen these models since 2001 and this is gonna be interesting.  Not sure especially in this climate that you are going to be able to get money from an unconvinced audience who is cutting back on their expenses and renewal rates at local REALTOR board associations are dropping because of attritition, let alone the ones that hang on are cutting fees left and right.

You know I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor but having been in this arena directly since 2001 I'm not sure this is gonna work like it's intended.

I hope I am wrong.
9:37am • #116

Good luck with the new structure.  Keep us posted on the numbers of new contributors that are willing to spend to join.
9:39am • #119
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I am glad that I joined when I did!  I have often wondered how we could get so much for nothing.  I understand the changes and wish you the best.  Thank you.
9:41am • #120
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Victor - I don't know the answer to the purge concept you mention, but as I commented to Ellie, I'm sure this will come up in one of our meetings this week.  Thanks.  :-)

Margaret - I was wondering the same thing, I have invited literally thousands of Industry Professionals to AR. I think we did our part in sending out those invites, it was up to them to see the value and join.  There's no looking back now with any regret on our part.  We did the right thing even if they didn't.

Cherimie - Thanks. We feel the same way and are happy you joined when you did and helped contribute to AR's successes.  We will ALL continue to build, improve, grow, and succeed here.  

Dean - We are confident that this will impact interest and new membership growth in a very positive way. 

Gita - I'm certain our New members will feel the same as you do, and the cost will be justified in the days ahead for those getting on board with the new "RainMaker" accounts.  The option to have a FREE account for "members only posting" will also remain in place for those who want to just check out the rain waters and use the networking aspect of AR.  :-)

Inviting new members to AR shouldn't change at all.  Just as before, you can still invite other Industry Professionals to AR, but it has always been up to them to decide if they want to join, the difference now is that they'll also have to decide what type of account they'll want here.
9:41am • #121
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Very interesting change - I wonder how many newbies you will get as a result - there are just too many other "free" websites out there to social network in - although, in my opinion, NONE OF THEM HAVE EVEN COME CLOSE to what I have gained on this website!!!!!

I, too, think that maybe purging the inactives would be a good idea...

I continue to enjoy ActiveRain on a weekly and usually daily basis!  Thank you so much for everything that you have done!
9:43am • #122
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Brad - This is a great bomb to drop on Monday morning. I do agree with missy on this about giving new people a free period of at least 30 days. I would never have paid $50 a month for my point2agent site without trying it out first.
9:43am • #123
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Rebecca: First-time agents are welcome to start their blogging adventure with a free account. These free accounts carry many benefits, including a safe, supportive environment to get one's feet wet and the ability to network with other real estate professionals. The value of ActiveRain is not inherently obvious to a newcomer; by providing a free, no-commitment environment to get started in, we're certain that agents will soon realize the many advantages afforded by a "full" account.
9:48am • #124
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I have to admit that I've been anticipating a move like this for some time now.  And like Jason mentioned, I figured we'd all have to pay.  I know that this move will help AR continue to do more of what it has been doing -- keeping one step ahead of us and dazzling us along the way!  I know that everyone I've invited will soon regret not doing so before this change!
9:49am • #125
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Sounds good brad, we weren't the only ones who thought similar. It would help members of each state get a better handle of who they can refer to. btw: i sent you an email (2), forgot a link in the first,   with an idea you guys could use for the badges. 

btw: i didn't see you answer the question in regards to new members and how or if they could utilize localism since parsed posts will only show up if submitted in public view on localism.
9:49am • #126

I agree with your idea. It is frustrating to put a lot of work into a community and have a newbie swoop in and benefit from the hard work of the community founders.

I think it will be difficult for newbies to feel the price is justified because they will not experience the success until they already paid.

This is a tough time in real estate to ask agents to spend more money as they probably expereince a decline in income.

www.KathleenKelly.com

 
9:55am • #127
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I just received word that the New Landing Page is up and running for new members to join.  You can take a look at it here:  JOIN ACTIVERAIN and see the options available for those who wish to join going forward. 

They can still join for FREE, (a free unlimited period if you will) or they can sign up for the RainMaker account right away.  The nice thing is that the testimonials on this page really say it all.  Thanks to those of you who have shared so many of your great success stories from being involved on AR.  ActiveRain Success Stories
9:57am • #128
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Interesting.
9:57am • #130
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Larry, Missy: We offer free accounts for those getting started in the "rain". The only big difference between the free and RainMaker accounts is the ability to showcase your content to consumers. Other than that, you're welcome to "kick the tires" and test drive for years!

It didn't make sense to offer a timed trial of a full RainMaker account. Indexing content and building a reputation on google takes time, and that's hard to demonstrate in a brief 30-day window. Once an agent has that famous ActiveRain epiphany that you're likely familiar with, the upgrade will be a no-brainer.
9:57am • #132
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Interesting.

To be honest, I'm not sure I like the idea and I am already a member so it doesn't really affect me.

 
9:59am • #133

I guess I'd better invite some new members today or let them know it's going to cost them tomorrow.  Glad I signed up last month.  Can't say that I would have paid at the time without knowing the benefits of the site.
9:59am • #134
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I almost thought this was your annual April Fool's joke a month and a half early.

I'm sort of with Lenn about people joining at the $29 price point, but then again, I signed up for the outside blog for the $19 price tag ... so maybe. Although I already understand the value of ActiveRain. :-)

I do know that word is spreading and that membership is ticking upward at a superfast clip, so this is AR's moment.
9:59am • #135
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Sounds fair to me!   I CJ's idea of giving us a few free invites, love the pics on comments.
10:04am • #136
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Growth has been great so change was going to have to happen.
10:04am • #137
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Wow, nice landing page guys. Looks very good. The testimonials make sense now :)  What's next? Localism?
10:10am • #138
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That is an interesting turn of events.  It will be interesting to see how it progresses.
10:15am • #139
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The barrier to entry has increased, probably a good thing for people who have been here for awhile, probably a good thing for Active Rain, you guys gotta make some money.  I'm all for it! 
10:21am • #140
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this is a good turn of events for htose who have established themselvers, however, the barrier to entry for new people may be too high
10:25am • #141
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Brad,

I still haven't heard from your tech department about my card, I really would like to use my upgraded

Outside blog. I sponser a community, does that count as a "old member?
10:27am • #142
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Blogging in the Dallas-Fort Worth area hasn't really caught on that strong and the $29.95 means my competition is likely not to get involved.  I like it.  AR Rocks.

 
10:29am • #143
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The change to a paid platform is understandable from a business standpoint.  It arrived kind of suddenly, but sometimes the element of surprise is a strong motivator. 

The ability to link posts/info to Twitter, Facebook, etc. is invaluable.  This alone can make a huge difference in the amount of juice we get from the search engines. 

For those that will balk at the price ... how much do you pay for one small ad in your local newspaper?  The last time I ran a print ad it cost me $78 for one day.  The exposure and return for the $29/month fee will far outweigh the antiquated print ad method.

Don't get me wrong ... I'm extremely grateful to be among the Founding Members group.  But as with anything in business, there comes a time ...

Thanks for such a comprehensive explanation of the change.  And I agree with purging those non-active members - the ones that signed up and never did anything after that.  Decreasing the maintenance load by removing these 'members' may make the job of the AR folks much easier.  Why maintain empty memberships?

I certainly am grateful for all the wonderful folks I've met by being involved in AR.  A blessing from above, for sure.

 
10:36am • #144
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Brad - thanks for the update, and I am grateful that I signed up over a year ago as well. I think AR is a very beneficial site, and to me worth the investment that I have made.
10:39am • #145
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Blogging in the Dallas-Fort Worth area hasn't really catch on that strong and the $29.95 means my competition is likely not to get involved.  I like it.  AR Rocks.

Amanda - though we all hope and are confident that won't be the case, you bring up a creative and positive point.  It really all depends on each individual and how they see it.  Just like those who didn't sign up early on, they had to make a decision then too.  By the same token, those who did join saw the value, received the benefits, and like you are being rewarded for their efforts.  Keep rockin in Dallas-Fort Worth!! :-)

The Competition will never go away, but what if this does change the quality of the competitor vs the quantity??
10:40am • #146
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I first thought Oh another couple of bucks to add to the multitude of small monthly fees I pay. But I don't expect anyone to work for free and I don't. I'm just going to be grateful for what I have.

However I do agree that marginal Realtors will not pay. Some people will always look at a half empty glass.

 

Bob
10:41am • #147
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Brad—I've been expecting these changes for sometime, but didn't know exactly when or how it would occur. Whether anyone likes the changes or not isn't the issue to me. No one should expect all we receive from AR for free forever. This is a necessary move as AR grows and matures. Some folks think the fee is too high, but I think it's a fair price even though i'd rather pay $19.95/month :-) The monthly fee can be deducted from our taxes (cost of doing business). If I have to cut my expenses somewhere I'd rather maintain my subscription with AR and cut three lunches out per month... the benefits out weigh the cost AND my waist line wins too - it's a no brainer!
10:42am • #148
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Why are only some avatars showing in the comments section?
10:48am • #149
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I heart Active Rain.
10:49am • #150

The founding members should not be to smug! I can almost gurantee they will be next. I have a Point2agent website that was free for standard members when they first started and then after it was a hit they began charging new members only. After 9 months PTA announed this policy was not fair to new members and everyone will have to start paying the same.

$29.00 a month seems pretty hefty and I think the membership is going to suffer!
10:55am • #151
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I think back to when we were taking bets on how long it would take to reach 100k members... and we blew through that number quickly.  Thank you AR!
10:58am • #152
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Wow. I feel honored. I'm also excited that AR is monetizing its true value.
11:03am • #153
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Very interesting! Glad you will finally make some money after all this time and very glad that I'm considered one of the "oldies!"

I too, would like to know who wrote the 1st article here besides Matt or Jonathan.  If memory serves me correctly, I am one of the first 3,000 members here (can't remember the actual number off hand).

For those who do not have an outside blog, this sounds like a great option.
11:04am • #154
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Of course, no one expects to work for free; however, $29 a month is a lot of money to ask from a bunch of hard up real estate people in this market.  Look, we are already paying board dues of $600 a year.  Then there are office dues of $50-300/m most of us pay.  Add on the cost of adverstising, signage, and all the new taxes that we are going to get reamed with by both California and the Feds, and I do believe you will see a great reduction in sign ups. 

Then you have the arguments about content and who owns the content.  In other words, this is a two way street.

Nevertheless; I believe that the market will dictate the your success or failure.  As a real estate broker, I have to compete with many others in my field, 500000 licenses in the State of California.  Remember, Google, Wordpress, etc. all have free blogs. 

Regardless, I wish you much success! 

Sincerely,

www.longbeachrealestateandloans.com
11:11am • #155
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Hi Brad,
Active Rain is a magnificent tool that helps us in our online presence tremendously....I  have no doubt that potential members will join even if they have to pay a fee...and they are more likely to post regularly too since they will want to make sure they are utilizing their money wisely and getting something out of it.

thank you for grandfathering the existing members in....

((-:

Jo
11:15am • #156
111,888 Points

I've invited many over the past year or so.  Not all have taken advantage of all that AR has to offer, but those that have know the benefits!
11:18am • #157
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Linda: ActiveRain is not point2agent. When you signed up, we promised you full access to the network for free. Even as we begin to charge new agents, that promise to you has not changed. I'd rather see ActiveRain fold than be part of a company that would renege on its word to make a few dollars.
11:19am • #158
294,183 Points 15 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

Have to laugh - I found out about this on facebook!

Anyway, I am thrilled that I get to be a founding member. As others said, wow, I got in on the ground floor of something good for a change! AR has done so much for me and I have contributed, too. I think this is fair.

Will it stop others from joining? I don't think so - they were reluctant to join for free!

Thanks for thinking and keeping this marketing machine running - the future looks bright!
11:21am • #159
230,786 Points 7 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hmm...not sure how I feel about this. I've read the comments and there seems to be a divided response. On the one hand, I'm proud to be a founding member, but also concerned that growth of the community will suffer. The next few months shoud be interesting.
11:29am • #160
119,767 Points Localism Sponsor

Bold move indeed. 

I also wonder about purging of inactive members.  Of the nine members listed for my area, two are not working in real estate any more, one is an accidental duplicate entry with strange username, and two have never posted to their blogs.  Of the remaining four, only two of us post to our blogs with any sort of regularity.
11:30am • #161
859,532 Points 76 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I'm with Ellie and Castellum!

(Maybe you should purge all of the "inactive" members first? Active Rain is an amazing resource with participation. There is a lot of dead weight. Shame on them for not knowing what they have.)
11:32am • #162
189,235 Points 45 Featured Posts

Assigning a price to something adds percieved value to the product. It quantitates itself into terms that can be easily figured by the mind. We learned a long time ago in my industry that "free" referrals were only called on 1/8 of the time compared to a paid referral. This will be the case with AR. There may be some initial growing pain, but as the value is determined, the serious will gladly pay the fee.

 
11:33am • #163
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Brad,

It only makes sense to me that AR will charge a small (really small) fee to run the business.  I think the $29 per month is a GREAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT.  Not only on the knowledge gained and shared, but in the SEO placement benefit, plus Localism.   This is a no brainer investment.  If someone is pushed for money, cut $30 per month out of your budget somewhere else. 

List and Sell (AR pays off)  Gary @ RentonHomeFinder.com

PSSS    thanks for hanging out with us in Seattle last week,  seeing you with a FLIP attached to that monster camera mount on your shoulder was hilarious  ...  just another benefit of AR

 
11:33am • #164
859,532 Points 76 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I am amazed at the number of invites I've sent out and how FEW have signed up. The value is immense!

Also, I cannot believe the number of people who log on and then never come back. I think abandoned profiles should be deleted.

 
11:47am • #165
389,396 Points 17 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Brad, I really TRIED to read all of the comments...appreciate Jorgen's input as well. First thing this morning, I NOTICED the photos of the one commenting. How cool is that? ;-) Since Debe still has her IT guy, I assume I will have mine as well? ;-)

P.S. The press? Wow! How cool is that? So glad I joined in 2006..AND too bad for those I invited and didn't take me up on it. Better get on the phone today. ;-)

Pepper
11:50am • #166
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hey everyone, I am trying my best to keep up with all these great comments and feedback.  I will keep responding between all the calls and emails I am receiving.  The good news is that members ARE signing up to join us with the new RainMaker accounts and we welcome them warmly. 

I think we all want ActiveRain to be around for many many years forever, and after the few calls I have just received, I am extremely confident now, we will be!!!   :-)

I've been contacted from multiple members of the press, (this is breaking news) and I'm excited to be one that not only gets to witness and report all this, I get to be part of it and our company's history.

Today is not only a day to be honored and remembered as Presidents Day, it's also the day that ActiveRain and it's founding members clearly put the company, your network, permanently on the map of Top Real Estate Sites.  It will be honored, remembered, and celebrated on the same day right along with some of the greatest men who served and protected this great Country of ours. 

Wishing you all Happy Presidents Day!!
11:51am • #167

I'm glad I'm already here just been out of touch since the Holidays!  Illness not apathy!

I also thought this might happen

And HOW do I get my picture on my comment?

Keep up the good work!

Kathy Carson

 
11:51am • #168
It's very generous of AR to let us stay on free of charge. After many bumps and many disappointments along the way, I've come to realize that AR has and will continue to help me. I may not be very active, but I certainly see the value in my outside blog and all the localism 'stuff', which is where I am trying to concentrate. Thanks AR; and best wishes for a bright future.
11:58am • #169
Localism Sponsor

Thank you Brad,

for anyone concerned about the value of Active Rain let me tell you, Brad Andersohn, has been the most responsive, supportive and helpful person in my experience. For me personally, his value alone is worth every dime. I will always be a member and fan of Active Rain, we are a wonderful family of   unique people.
12:00pm • #170
205,231 Points 1 Featured Post

Errr.... forgot to sign in first ... the comment above Ann Hayman is mine.
THANKS again AR. :)
12:01pm • #171

Wow what a surprise! I am way confused about this whole idea and glad to be grandfathered (or I think I'm grandfathered?)

Beginning to Blog is confusing for many and the $29 fee is in my opinion - a huge deterrant for joining AR. I just this morning invited my new broker to join, not knowing it was no longer free. As for myself - I would not be able to afford the extra fee and I do not like the "outside blog" look.  I think that the members who are justifying this new charge are blowing smoke up someone's hiney, nobody wants to pay for something they have been getting for free!

I will continue to use AR because I love it, (and because it is still free) but I'm sure there will be other sites to pop up and be just as useful down the road like Facebook and Twitter, both of which are FREE and have large website power.
12:02pm • #172
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As a relatively new member ( but grandfathered - WHEW!!!), it would be nice if you gave a bit of a break to people who registered within the past several days, but hadn't yet posted a blog.  My one invitee registered yesterday afternoon (February 15th) and started filling in her profile when a prospect showed up at her open house and she couldn't finish the profile - much less post a blog.

She has 2 children and all the responsibilites that go along with being a wife, mother and real estate professional.  She was excited about Active Rain after I had gone over the program with her, but she certainly doesn't have an extra $29 per month right now to go forward.

So how about giving a little bit of a break to the people who have registered since February 1, but haven't posted.  Give them until the end of the month and if they haven't posted, then they are out of luck.

Other than that, it's an understandable concept.  You guys have done a great job getting the community established and you should be rewarded for your work.
12:12pm • #173
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Teresa:   There will still be a HUGE benefit to being a member of ActiveRain WITHOUT paying the $29 fee. You can join and network with other agents, building your referral base, and absorbing the vast braintrust of valued information you can access each and every day. That will continue to be FREE.
12:13pm • #174
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Kris & Susie:   You shouldn't allow this change to deter you from enthusiastically teaching your classes. As I just commented, there is still tremendous value and benefit for those who join up moving forward. Networking with other professionals and having access to the wealth of information is reason enough to join without paying!
12:15pm • #175
247,710 Points 20 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I think this is a great idea and about time personally...

I paid for a personal Dakno blog before you guys launched your outside blogs and it would take 28 months of outside AR blog time to be the same as my one-time cost of my Dakno blog.  Good things cost money.  It's that simple.

I think what you will find is that the quality of the blogger that will pay that fee will be increased.  We won't see people joining and then blogging about facials, pantyhose, or dryer vents.  The quality of the blogger than joins will already have some skin in the game because they are paying a fee now.

So, I think you will see a decrease in membership, but the quality content of the new bloggers will be substantial.  I think this is a GOOD thing for all members. AR will get agents that are serious about blogging and creating good content.  Who is going to pay $29 a month to post recipes?

I do have a Localism question though?  Once you open it up to non-AR members, what prevents a real estate agent from entering in information that way?  You would have some agents writing content on here and paying for it to get posted to Localism and some other agent could just enter a post in Localism directly?

That doesn't seem right to me.  Anyway...those are my thoughts...I hope you guys have a lot of coffee brewing because it is going to be a long week for you with this annoucement.
12:16pm • #176
314,078 Points 4 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Wow ,  I too am glad I joined when I did last year.  I have tried to get others in my office to get on here already!!! Snooze you Loose. 

June Tassillo
12:16pm • #177
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Lenn:    You cannot discount the 'social network' aspect of this platform. That is a HUGE reason that many people frequent this site.
12:18pm • #178

Jay Thompson wrote the first post ever on ActiveRain, FYI
12:20pm • #179
414,052 Points 24 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

I was sitting in a RE/MAX of Texas convention last week.  The speaker who is on twitter, AR, etc. was talking about AR I was just imagining the #'s growing after that meeting alone!  KM
12:22pm • #180
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Patty Bender:   Can you tell me what sites you're referring to? Which platforms offer free blogging and provide the same degree of SEO/ranking/service/features as ActiveRain? Just curious.....
12:26pm • #181

Brad,

   Wow, what a bomb shell for Monday morning. I agree with one of the above comments about an early April fool's joke. I always thought, wow, ActiveRain is an unbelieveable resource for free. Now, that has changed. I'm just glad that I've been here prior to these changes. With the climate of Real Estate in my market and in the country, we will all have to evaluate what is important and where we want to spend our Real Estate dollars. I love ActiveRain and all the great people that I have met. I just hope that these charges are too drastic from free to $29/month. Time will tell. Thanks for all that you do for us and for ActiveRain. Your the best!!
12:27pm • #182
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Melina:   That's a really excellent question. I'll see if there's an answer to that....
12:30pm • #183
178,399 Points 10 Featured Posts Hit Router

Change is tough but thank you for making us founder accounts. ActiveRain has been such an unbelievable resource for us the past 2 years - it has made us far more than $29.95 per month with information, saved time, advice from top agents, SEO results, and most importantly AGENT REFERRALS and NEW CLIENTS!
12:30pm • #184
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Teresa, I respect and appreciate your comment and opinion.  Your perception that, "I think that the members who are justifying this new charge are blowing smoke up someones hiney, nobody wants to pay for something they have been getting for free!"  is not a correct perception in my opinion.  Those who have benefited from AR for FREE will continue to do so, (call it grandfathered), this new membership only applies and is available to our new members. 

The existing members who are behind this for reasons of their own, have no benefit in blowing any smoke up anyones hiney.  The business they have grown and received, along with the relationships they've established here from the AR Network is probably more of what motivated their comments... again, in my opinion.  Thx.
12:31pm • #185
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

How about these brad?

bradtestbadgefinalsmall.jpg picture by vkdesigns lenntestbadge.jpg picture by vkdesigns lenntestbadge2.jpg picture by vkdesigns   

btw, lenn has more points than that :)
12:32pm • #186
177,410 Points 2 Featured Posts

This is a great site!  I hope these changes continue to allow the site to grow and prosper.
12:35pm • #187
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jorgen:   Well said....
12:37pm • #188

To bad NAR doesn't have this kind of courage and get rid of all the pretend real estate agents.  How hard would it be to establish performance criteria to be part of NAR and really earn your REALTOR designation?...Or perhaps up the dues so you need to sell and make money to be part of this "Professional" organization. 

Professionalism will never be achieved with our current levels of required education and performance.  Congrats to AR.   As individuals we can certainly perform on a professional level...but mostly we are being painted with a broad brush...
Jim Towner
12:38pm • #189
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I see Rich is up and about, (and Jorgen is STILL up...lol ) thanks for stopping by to lend a hand with some comments guys.  I'll slow down a little so as to not double up on our responses.  :-))
12:40pm • #190

I am new to AR, just learning my way around.  WAS interested in starting a blog, but for $29.00/month I do not feel it is worth it - there are many free blog sites and even if they are not RE oriented, they give most of the same benefits for 0 cost.  I do not feel that many people are going to start forking over the $29.00 when they are not already 'into' the site -  they will just move elsewhere.  I think it will lead to a stagnant community.
I guess I was a day too late....
12:40pm • #191
323,528 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Ha!!  I got the answer of the first post written correct!!!  ;-)

And my prize is......  hmmm, let's see....... ;-)

Ann
12:41pm • #192
187,747 Points 31 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I am only surprised that this has not happened sooner.  Not unlike others in the above comments I too have invited multitudes of people to Active Rain who either didn't see the value in it or were too intimidated to put their written word out there.  AR is a wonderful place to get started in the online world and a great place to learn and make new friends. 

For somebody with no online presence, the exposure provided by this network is worth its weight in gold.

Best of luck with the new program.
12:41pm • #193
122,410 Points Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp

Hi Brad, I have a question/recommendation - if you have members that have signed up and have zero (0) blog posts, they should be deleted or should at least be changed to a non-grandfathered member.  Many people join just to get their profile on AR, but do not 'use/blog/contribute' to AR.  Also, when you have a 'top contributor/featured contributor' blogging about a particular community and someone has signed up as having that community when they established their profile...the real AR contributors should overlay/replace those AR members that are not contributing, but are taking up a space on AR.  I can email you an example if you would like to see what I am speaking of.  I don't know...just creatively thinking today and wanted to share......
12:43pm • #194
445,106 Points 8 Featured Posts

Brad, I am happy I started this addiction when I did... and a few hundred posts later... I am glad to be here... thanks for thinking about the group that hoped on board and ran with the bloging fun!

I am still confused about the photo piece, and why the Photos only seem to pop up randomly? IE: why is my photo not there in comments? 
12:44pm • #195
323,528 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Brad wrote:

<The business they have grown and received, along with the relationships they've established here from the AR Network is probably more of what motivated their comments...>

The networking, the friendships, and the continual learning and sharing that go on here are what motivates many of us who keep hanging out here.  No amount of seminars and classes could ever provide me the amount and the caliber of learning I've gleaned from being part of AR all this time.  And the friendships --- those are priceless!

Glad to be part of the 'legacy group'...  ;-)

Ann
12:46pm • #196
210,126 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog

Bob Stewart wrote: "Jay Thompson wrote the first post ever on ActiveRain, FYI"

And I've been walking to my mailbox every day since looking for that check you promised me... ;)
12:47pm • #197
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Victor - Nice RainMaker Badges, and yes, Lenn has WAY more points and effort invested in this community.  Nice job on the examples.  I know our guys are working on some pretty cool stuff too for "RainMakers" but one step at a time.  Thanks my friend for your samples...   :-)
12:47pm • #198
427,729 Points 32 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I have an outside blog and there's no picture of me, what gives? Not that it's that big of a deal, all the people commenting on my posts that do have pictures kind of freak me out. Now as I read the comments I feel like everyone is staring at me.
12:49pm • #199
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I am new to AR, just learning my way around.  WAS interested in starting a blog, but for $29.00/month I do not feel it is worth it - there are many free blog sites and even if they are not RE oriented, they give most of the same benefits for 0 cost.  I do not feel that many people are going to start forking over the $29.00 when they are not already 'into' the site -  they will just move elsewhere.  I think it will lead to a stagnant community.

 


 by: I guess I was a day too late.... 

You are not too late!  You can still join or be here for FREE.  See Rich's comment above.  Stagnant is one thing this community will never be.  Ask anyone who's been here for any amount of time and I'm sure they'll agree.  :-)
12:56pm • #200
415,283 Points 22 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Brad - funny How I happened to read about this on Twitter first!!! Wow. Let me digest. - Oh, it doesn't change anything for us :) sweeeeet. ~Rita
12:57pm • #201

While I understand what ActiveRain is trying to do I think that this might be the worst time to do it. More people are turning to the web for marketing during this economic downturn and I believe that ActiveRain's attempt to monetize this may benefit them in the short term but traffic may level off or even decline after this pricing change. A better time to introduce this pricing structure would be just as the economy is rebounding. Agents would be making money and their businesses growing and they wouldn't sweat $29/month. 
1:01pm • #202

I think the up should keep the fee around $10-15 dollars.  Times are tough and membership will slow at $29.00 a month.  That is may 2 cents.
1:06pm • #203
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Christopher:   Any meaningful or effective marketing tool requires an investment, whether it's your website, mailers, etc.. The real question isn't a matter of timing as much as it is ROI. This holds true regardless of the current economical dynamic.
1:10pm • #204
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Hey Brad and AR gang... Perceived value is an interesting commodity. It would appear that ActiveRain has some serious internet momentum, and with 130,000+ members, the &quot;value&quot; of being an active member here might be an easy sell. But I for one have a feeling that you'll see NEW memberships start slowing down. If that happens, it's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as quantity vs. quality doesn't become the dominant theme.

I, like many others have already commented, wish that we had received a little more advance notice - to work on those folks that have not yet accepted our invitations or join - and/or that new members (for a limited time) would be able to test drive the full blown AR account without incurring fees. Just my 2 cents.

Best of luck on this major new implementation!

Randy Hooker - Dreamcatcher Realty - Arizona Real Estate
1:11pm • #205
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Bob Stewart wrote: "Jay Thompson wrote the first post ever on ActiveRain, FYI"

Yeah, and no one commented on his post either!.....hehehe
1:11pm • #206
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Laurie Manny:   Thanks for the kind words and positive encouragement. You were one of those Legacy Members who were really instrumental in the early days that helped ActiveRain to achieve such phenonmenal growth. Your contributions will never be forgotten.
1:16pm • #207
Outside Blog

Brad... Also glad to be a member of this great community.  I've learned, and continue to learn more here than in many other courses and places combined.

I'm still trying to get totally weaned from print advertising... and getting close, thanks to the Rain.  But until I do, it would be way cool to have a "founding Member" badge in print quality and format which I could include in print advertising.  Anything in the works to provide something like that?

 
1:17pm • #208
323,528 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

                  Ann                 
1:23pm • #209
554,866 Points 31 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I'm always the last to know...  we'll maybe not the last today.  Was logged in moving around seeing all these posts with PHOTOS!  So of course I did a search to find out more - thinking maybe it was a new setting I have to check off or something...  boy was I wrong!!  This really is big news.  AR has been a tremendous source of great ideas and information from the founders as well as new members alike.  After reading all the comments like with anything new their are those that will embrace the idea and those that won't.  I too am just glad I learned about this network when I did and am considered an existing member.  I'm not sure if I would have joined as a paying member.

So now I'll have to look into some of the ways in which I too can get our photo on our posts.  Brad - as always you and your team at AR keep us moving forward.  Thanks to all of you for your committment to the Rain.

Your Raleigh Realtors
1:28pm • #210
Localism Sponsor

I have been here since Sept. I believe, the value in anything is created by in the effort you put into it, as a collective group the value here is miles beyond the other realestate blogging sites.
1:33pm • #211
124,554 Points 8 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router

30 day money back guarantee. 

That's all it will take.

I think EVERYONE here will agree that there is no more powerful rush than that received in the first 30 days of blogging! 

Charge the money and change the name to "Addicted Rain"  LOL... they'll pay!
1:34pm • #212

Brad,  if someone is on the free account, do they upgrade at the new member site you published above?  I just tried to do the upgrade there and the site isn't working.  I'll keep trying!  Thanks for all of your help!
1:48pm • #213
881,076 Points 33 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad- I am amazed at how our little community has grown - so we are Founder Members - that is a cute titlle :-) .

I wish you would make it easier to e-mail other members when we are in our blog without having to go to that members home page to e-mail them. If for example I was writing a blog or commenting on one and wanted to e-mail the blog to you from where I was at the moment, if I could just type in your name and have your e-mail automatically come up, it would make life so much easier. Often I want to send some information I am reading in a blog to another ActiveRainer and do not know their e-mail address. Just another idea for some changes.

 
1:49pm • #214
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

 

Brad,  if someone is on the free account, do they upgrade at the new member site you published above?  I just tried to do the upgrade there and the site isn't working.  I'll keep trying!  Thanks for all of your help!

John - try this link below and see if it works any better for you, I'll have our techs take a look at the sign-up link on the landing page.  Thanks.:-)

Here is the link to use if you already have an existing FREE account:

 

https://activerain.com/action/subscriptions/new
1:59pm • #215
433,199 Points 10 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Brad- Thanks for the info. I started in Jan. and added an outside blog (thanks for your help)

Am I grandfathered ? What if I decided to drop my outside blog? (not that I'm thinking about it)
2:01pm • #216

Brad, thanks for the link.  It worked UNTIL it processed my entry and then I got the same error message as on the landing pages.
2:03pm • #217
419,204 Points 71 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Not having my picture in the comments is a selling point for me;)
2:07pm • #218
557,279 Points 38 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I am getting e-mails because it went into effect at 5AM and this was posted at 5:26 AM the same day effected. Too funny! Geez, a last stand would have been nice, don't you think? 5PM perhaps? Seriously... (LOL) I'm being fussed at here. ;-)
2:09pm • #219
156,776 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Not having to look at Sardi's picture is a selling point for me too : )
2:10pm • #220
557,279 Points 38 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Seriously Jason? I was just about to ask where you, Melodious and Amanda Hall's photographs were. It's so Twitter-fabulous (LOL).
2:11pm • #221
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

John - we're looking into this for you, it has worked for others so let me see what I can find out for you.  I'll be back in a bit...   :-)
2:17pm • #222
5 Featured Posts

Wow I'm a Founder at member 28,217!!!    Thanks guys.  Keep up the good work.
2:23pm • #223

Brad, and, I suppose... all AR Members -

I am the first person to ditch when a platform I know and love decides to change something dramatically; we're all opposed to change.  It's in the very fiber of our beings: we are most comfortable with that which we can predict. 

But I have to ask...If no one on AR changed their marketing strategies to encompass the use of online presence, how many of them would be successful today?  If no broker decided to start blogging, would he have the leads that he has today, or would he still be pressing the same old "This Company is your Friend" mentality? 

The bottom line is that our community is a dynamic, brilliant opitome of what it is to embrace change and help propel it forward.  As the staff, we are here to make AR the best it possibly can be; I said above that I'm the first to ditch when something scary rolls down the tube, but honestly, I'm still working here, and not just because AR pays my paycheck, but because I believe that the Rain has something valuable to offer people.

Simply put:  I would not work for a company that was dishonest, greedy, and downright unabashedly awful for those who endorse it.  I am very, very thankful that ActiveRain is none of these things.  If you want to now the moral stature of a company, truly, you need to look to those people who continue to work for it - those staffers that you all know and love.  I'm fairly sure that we would have many of them abandoning ship if we didn't believe that this new roll-out is best for the company, the community, and our members.

I have to say, I believe in ActiveRain.  I know our members believe in it too.
2:25pm • #224
255,709 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Our groups still aren't working. 
2:26pm • #225
303,245 Points 39 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I think it will make a big difference to the quality of content...which will be a good thing.  

Any truth to the 1 year free rumor for founding members?

 
2:27pm • #226
168,863 Points 2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp

Brad, I am still confused...don't I get a picture badge? I sponsor a few communities on localism and I have been participating in the listing router since day 1. still no photo on my comments???
2:29pm • #227
960,006 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Brad

If I understand the post new members to active rain will pay $360.00 a year to be a member. Your timing may be off.

Good luck and success

Lou Ludwig
2:30pm • #228
168,863 Points 2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp

I'm not a new member though...and I have posted tons of blogs in the last couple years... with 49,552 points and blogging since february of 2007. Am i missing something? Oh, btw, I having been paying listing router since it's birth and I am sponsoring localism communities. 
2:47pm • #229
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Lou:    Only if you want to post content that isn't 'Members Only." You can join for FREE and take advantage of the networking among peers and have access to all the amazing information being shared everyday.
2:50pm • #230
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Brad (and the whole ActiveRain community too),

I sent you an email about this, but thought I'd make it public.  I know you're swamped with all sorts of things today because of the changes, but I sent the email anyway...if you get to it, just read it and smile...no response necessary.

Basically, my email said that I was excited to see what the future brings with the new version of ActiveRain.  I'm certainly glad I joined when I did and I've gotten a lot out of ActiveRain (see my "ActiveRain Success Story" for my thoughts on that).  I thank you all for everything you've done since I've been here and the groundwork you laid long before I had a license.  Because of this effort on your part to always further the site for our (and your own) interests without making me feel like I'm being robbed all the time (I get actual value in return for my time here), I decided to jump in and finally get my individual blog.  I had considered it off and on since they were announced, but consider my way of saying thanks for the free account for so long.  Now I know everyone is thinking why is he paying them back for something he didn't have to.  That's just it, I don't have to.  But I like ActiveRain and I support them much like I feel they support me.  Of course, I get a return in value for having my own individual blog as well, but the decision was made to do it now as a way to thank everyone at ActiveRain for all they've done for me.  That may sound crazy to some people, but I am firm believer in supporting the things I feel are above and beyond what I should expect.  That is the definition of ActiveRain, both the users and the team behind it.

So thanks everyone...I'll see you on my blog and yours.
2:50pm • #231

It was not my intent to offend anyone and obviously there is a need to defend the new fee. I recognize the value of Active Rain, or I wouldn't be here. I am not saying that Active Rain isn't worth the $29/mo. I am just saying that in my opinion, blogging is still such a foreign concept to newbies and with so many free forums out there, whether they work well or not, that paying this large of a fee in the current economy may be a deal killer for AR. 

I think it has been said and re-said here that we are all glad that we are grandfathered in because we are here for FREE.  I still hold my opinion that no one wants to pay for something that they have had for free.  To quote Lenn Harley, "of course I could be wrong..."
2:53pm • #232
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Monika,

No truth to the rumor of founding members only getting one year free. Founding members have a free membership for life!
2:53pm • #233
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Interesting timing to start the fees. We have several hundred thousand surplus agents that should be considering new careers.  Many can not afford anything new.

I am happy with ActiveRain and wish for continued success.

Roy Kelley
3:03pm • #234
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I second CLaire. You guys ROCK. I'm still recruiting and killing my keyboard (LOL). BTW, how does one look up their member number? DM me a link people. I'm a curious kinda gal. :-)
3:08pm • #235
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Teresa:   No one was offended by your comment. We welcome and encourage opposing views and opinions! Absolutely there are many other FREE blogging platforms out there for people to choose from. If people want to expend the time and energy contributing content to sites that provide very little in the way of SEO/page rank, then that's their choice. I spent 6 months talking to myself on Blogger.com, so in that instance, you get what you pay for.
3:09pm • #236

Well, it's about time. You guys work too hard! Thanks
3:11pm • #237
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WOW!  I'm be gone for 24 hours and the whole world changes :)  Well, it sucks to be all of my friends who have whined for months about wanting to have a Blog and have not signed up YET...I'm so thankful that we are grandfathered in!  *mwa*!

When I relocated to Huntsville, I knew no one. I love my career and was not ready to be a part timer nor did I have the patience to rebuild my business.  I joined Active Rain, and I"ve never looked back.  Active Rain has PAID me, basically.  I've had 3 closings, one more in the works, and 2 more on the line...6, in less than a year.   I've also been able to refer 2 sellers to AR members. All of this, from a person that never reads the directions, has no clue what SEO is, blah blah blah.  If I can do it, any dummy can do it.  Why NOT do it?

I think it's a bold move to try this and I hope you have much success doing so.  I'd pay! (but don't get any ideas, lol)  I agree with Missy. Why not offer a 30 day free trial, without a credit card number?  Earn their trust and show 'em what it's all about first?  I think that would be successful.

Hate it that I missed all of you in Seattle :(  Mom is home from the Hospital and doing well, again :)  She's a cat with nine lives, thankfully!  I hear her ringing the bell for me. Duty calls!  SO happy to be a part of Active Rain and SO thankful for all the dough it's put in my pocket, LOL.  Really, I am :)  I'm also so thankful for all of the wonderful friends I have made.
3:15pm • #238
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LOL @ ERCG. Elizabeth, you have such a way with words. :-)
3:18pm • #239
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I am pleased with Active Rain, though I am still exploring its value after a few months of participation.In the scheme of things, $29 a month may not be too bad but to have the fee go from $0 to $29 a month (350 a year) for new members is quite an increase. Many people just starting with blogging do not have an outside blog so that may seem like a dubious feature to some.  Since many agents are tightening their belts, your timing seems off.  Though this doesnt affect me as I am "grandfathered," it doesn't set right that you disclose new fees a half hour after they took effect with no notice. What happened to the concept of "advance notice?" 

Active Rain is a great service though. I really appreciate all your good advice, Brad.

Yonas Woldu
3:21pm • #240
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Elizabeth Ramsey Cooper-Golden JingleHeimer Smith:   I'm still not talking to you!....frickin' 'No-SHOW!' .....just kidding!  :)
3:24pm • #241
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Yonas:   If you're a new member starting today you don't have to pay the $29 if you don't want to. You can simply network with other professionals and post 'Member's Only' articles. But for these folks, there really isn't any 'increase' per se, since they've haven't been participating on the network up to this point. My sense is that any amount of 'advance notice' would not have made any substantive difference since this change does not affect the majority of members who are grandfathered in. The ones it will affect the most are those who just recently joined, but failed to post anything.
3:34pm • #242
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OH NO! - My Blog post has been abducted by numerous members and staff.  Please, one comment at a time here!!!!   lol~ 

I also want to acknowledge the 300+ emails I have received today and thank those of you who took the time to contact me.  Though I cannot respond to every email, nor every comment here, I am happy to see that others are jumping in to help answer questions and comments.  Please take a moment to review or at least graze over these comments as many of your questions may be repeats and have already answered.  

Thanks for taking the time to read this, share your thoughts and comments, and for recognizing the value and purpose of these changes. 

I also want to WELCOME all of you that have joined ActiveRain today, we welcome you to the network and to our community.  Thanks and Good Luck to each of you.   ActiveRain New Members
3:35pm • #243
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Thanks for the update on the changes.  I'm glad I joined some time ago. 
3:37pm • #244
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"No truth to the rumor of founding members only getting one year free. Founding members have a free membership for life!"  Can I take my membership with me to the after-life, Jon:)

And I saw the shot above fired by Sandra Cummings at yours truly.  Being a member since June of 2006, I will gladly trade in all my points and future stock options to make Sandra the very first AR Member to visit the AR Penalty Box.  It's a new addition for those hoodwinks that are acting up around here.  And Sandra should get a life long membership in that box.  That's all for now, carry on.
3:40pm • #245
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I'm not a huge fan of this.  Actually, I see a pattern forming here. 

I'm grateful for the "free" grandfathering in, but at same time, AR just lost some of its appeal.

Real estate professionals are broke.  To me, to try and start a fee-based service during these current times seems like a bad move.  ESPECIALLY at $29 a month.

The AR experience (even for grandfathered-in members) just became a tad less appealing.  Why?

Because we will have less new people to interact with.

MySpace doesn't charge anyone for anything.  Either does Facebook.  Why does AR have to?
3:41pm • #246
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Aaron - you may not be a fan of this and we're not asking you to be.  I think you might want to read this post again and some of the comments and responses, think it through, then answer your own question.  MEMBERS CAN STILL JOIN FOR FREE but with limited service.  We are NOT MySpace!!  I don't mean to come across defensive in any way, but that comment is rediculous.   Do you think MySpace just runs for FREE because they want to?  How do they do it?  Hmmmm....  you're a funny guy.  :-))
3:55pm • #247
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Brad & You Awesome Team: You guys ROCK!!! When I consider what it costs me to run 1 1/4 page ad in my local RETW, paying for  a year of AR exposure is a bargain and brings me more results. I'm glad to be grandfathered in, glad that many of my associates at RE/MAX 1st Olympic are active AR members and I recruited a member who joined today! You make my business, thank you!
3:59pm • #248
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Sardi - you crack me up... say, you're not one of those creative lenders that helps people buy and get into homes are you?  What a novel concept, I would have never known!!  lol~  Thanks for playing, we'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip your waitress.  Carry on my friend.  :-) 
3:59pm • #249
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Hi Brad ~  I still can't figure out the pictures / badges.  If I understand it correctly the photos show up on the comments of members who are paying for some service on the site.  Do you have to do something - edit your Profile or something or other - to make the picture show up?  I have sponsored communities but no picture. I also wondered if new members are paying will their picture show up?

Thanks!  Liz
4:00pm • #250
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Elizabeth, all the pictures don't appear to be up yet. Give them some time to work on this. If you're paying for a service then you'll get a badge. Good question about new members paying and if they'll get a badge for that. Will be interested to hear that response.

Based on what i've seen and what i can conjure up, certain members will get a different insignia based on what i can only imagine to be a plethora of ranks one can attain. Would be cool if there were different regalia's so to speak for most associations, most subscribed, most points, featured members, most invites, etc etc. Will be fun to see how many they can come up with. 

speaking of, gotta try to come up with some new ones myself.

edit: hey brad, how about military-like insignia's. The higher your rank, etc the more stripes or the thicker the bands. Just an idea. We should start a brainstorming group on this :)
4:07pm • #251
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Brad, Good for the old timers - how do you think that this will affect your new subscribers? I just invited 10 people. I told them that this was a free service. Well I guess I'll have to tell them that it was free at the time...

Michael - it is still FREE to post to our network members only and associates.  Let the 10 you invited join for FREE and they'll see after time why they might want to consider getting a rainmaker account.  Some may want to sign up right away, but let them decide.  As many have said here in these comments, they couldn't get 10 people to sign up when EVERYTHING here was absolutely FREE. 

They can still join and be part of a great network and community.  Take a look at all the new subscribers just today, I think you'll see many are still joining and wanting to be part of our site, and will continue to do so long into the future.  :-)
4:09pm • #252
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Brad,Bob and Rich,

You sure know what is the valuable part(worth paying for) of Activerain. I would not belong here if the public could not see my information I put out there. Time will tell if this change will work for Activerain.
4:09pm • #253
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Yonas, don't miss your moment. I've only been blogging since April 2008. I've received 19 referrals and given out 2. First we try, then we trust. You have to make friends to earn business. People prefer to give their clients and prospects to people they feel familiar and comfortable with. A few months is really not a lot of time. I don't mean that in a bad way, it just isn't. I can not imagine being a Realtor and not being here because (1) it's fun, (2) it's informative and (3) a lot of people who read my blog have opened some very interesting doors for me...

I've made some stellar friends who call like crazy and we visit in real life now. Very cool to incorporate AR into my business plan. I schedule time to blog. I am an AR cheerleader because the SEO generated here works (LOL). Where else can I be read in 19 countries and have to use babel-fish to read my e-mail? Seriously. I've the analytics to prove it. :-)
4:09pm • #254

You know AR has grown when I hear about the changes on Inman News first :-)

Quite a change. I remember when AR hit 100,000 users just a few months ago, now over 135,000. Glad to be a member of this group. I find great value in the professionals I've come in contact with since joining last Summer.

Way to go Brad!
4:10pm • #255
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So everybody with an .02 needs to kick in another $28.98.  (What?  You know other people wanted to say it and just didn't.)

Have all the proxy boogers been worked out? It was a lot easier for you to deal with back when it was free and now that it's fee based, people will really scream if the hamsters get out of control at the God console.  You know me, I am patient about missing blog buttons and the like.

 
4:12pm • #256
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Brad ~ Thanks for keeping the Founding Members (which I'm very proud to be included in) in mind when making plans for the new changes.  This forum is simply great, whether you're new or old, and it works!

4:14pm • #257
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As you know, this new policy has stirred up a firestorm of commentary. Yet, I see the real need for monetizing the system in order to support continued growth. I must admit to being happy I'm grandfathered in.
4:15pm • #258
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Is the popcorn still FREE. How 'bout the butter? :)

And just so you know Guys I'm having a blast messing around with my image today :)

P.S. Oh...I forgot to mention...Banging your head against a wall burns 100 calories per hour. I'll send you all some band aids :)

TLW...Parking...ROAR!
4:16pm • #259
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For everyone worrying about cost, just remember that one closing from AR will pay for your blogging habits in spades (LOL). Do you really want to risk not being found by another member for the cost of a decent lunch, some snacks and reading a magazine or newspaper? Seriously. If your fave actor came out in a new movie you'd lay it out on a date. Are you not worth the price of pizza and a movie? Some of you spend more on your cigarette habits.

At least you can write your professional advertising and marketing activities off on your taxes... Geez... List your listings here to trigger the tax break. You are advertising your business with every blog post you write and comment you make. Get with it or go play somewhere else, but please stop bashing the fact that these people pay mad money to maintain those servers and give us an excellent place to do our original content thing.

AR is well worth every reasonable penny. I love my Team Blog. I love Club Chaos. I am soooo not giving this place up.
4:17pm • #260
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Someone told me that 'Founding Members' get their own personal Blog Button....is that true?
4:19pm • #261
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Interesting news.  Things definitely have grown on AR.  I hope to see continued AR growth in the coming months.
4:20pm • #262
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Thanks for the info Brad. I guess my procrasting friends are not going to be to happy.
4:20pm • #263
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I want a badge for the most hijacked posts.  (Yep.  A monster has now been created!)
4:20pm • #264
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Pssssttt Brad , when you get a free minute (not being facitious :-) could you check your voice mail?   I don't want to be a pest, but I have a deadline so to speak.

Thanks!
4:21pm • #265
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LOL @ Rich. That is a scary thought. :-)
4:21pm • #266
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I heart the Blog Button!  
4:22pm • #267
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Boy, you guys are on a roll... I would think adding the monthly cost wouldn't necessarily increase membership but it might increase the quality of the membership... and I've always been a proponent of quality over quantity.  :)  I certainly appreciate AR recognizing the work everyone put into this site... you guys (and gals) get major kudos for that.

One question though... We have oodles of fake/spam profiles in the Alaska section... it's very misleading to consumers...how do we get those cleaned up?
4:24pm • #268

I personally do not have a problem with the changes. Maybe the timing is off, since times are challenging charging any monthly fee at this time will severely limit the number of new members. I am in agreement with some comments about purging the system of many inactive members. I think out of the 25 who had signed up in my area in the past only 5 of us are active.
4:24pm • #269
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Never ceases to amaze me how many people want expect something for nothing.

If you don't want to pay $29/month, the solution is simple. Don't. Go grab hosting for $4/month and install Wordpress (it's free). Then just blog your ass off in a vacuum for a year or two (or 3) and you too may be able to build up enough links and authority to have "Google Juice" that rivals (or exceeds) that of AR. And you'll have better branding as well.

But if you want a jump start, if you want a basically captive (and caring and receptive) audience, then do the AR thing. And if you STILL don't want to pay $29/month, don't. Get the free "basic" membership and join a great networking community.

I think the $29 price point may be a little high. But setting a price point is a very difficult thing to do, particulary an entery price point. It can always be adjusted. And the fact that thousands of active users are being grandfathered for life is a comendable action on the part of AR.

I don't see how monetizing the AR platform should be a shock to anyone. Would you rather they sell out to some other entity that would do God knows what? Did you think that somone was sitting in a room in Seattle providing all of this out of the goodness of their heart? You can't compare an industry specific network like AR to a wide-open network like MySpace or Facebook. They'll never have the traffic or VC interest those platforms have as the audience is too small. Servers and rack space and bandwidth aren't free. Nor is developers time.

I'm wondering what took them so long. I know a lot of the folks at AR and can assure you this was not some flippant decision. They are good people who genuinely care about their users. I say good on them and I hope they all get stupid filthy rich.
4:25pm • #270
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Would suggest , as some others have said, that the "dead wood" , those who signed up some time in the past , but who have never done anything on the site, be purged off..... what is the point of having them remaining on the website at all.
4:25pm • #271

I'm glad to be on the bandwagon and happy I don't work at AR today. I bet the communication lines are crackling!
Lynn Kenton, Ventura Real Estate
4:26pm • #272
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Rich - stop trying to cause trouble here, I heard it would be a "Founders Widget" that would allow you to have an animated gif??   DOH!!  :-O

I gotta go get some food, (and popcorn TLW..lol~)  I'm starving, will be back shortly....
4:27pm • #273
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LMAO @ Amanda. As a third generation HJ bay-bay directly descended from TLW and you, I must say that is a stellar idea. It would give me more incentive to coordinate the HJ game... Rain-jacking may never be the same again (LOL).
4:27pm • #274
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You know I'm pretty much an AR varsity cheerleader but I don't think this is going to work well to get new members.

I understand you have to be profitable but I think other methods would work better then a member fee based model.

If a new agent creates a relevant Blogspot or Wordpress blog combined with some help from Twitter.  They will get all the exposure they could want. 

You know how I found out about this change?  I didn't come to AR, I received a Tweet about it from someone I follow on Twitter.

Mike
4:27pm • #275
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Ok, Brad... now for a stoopid question.  How/why are some pictures showing up in comments and others not?  It IS a Monday so operator error is no doubt involved.
4:28pm • #276
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Yeah...what Jay said.  Blog your ass off people! 
4:28pm • #277
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Enjoy your meal, Brad. I should run out and knock off a few errands as well. See you guys later. :-)
4:28pm • #278
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Hey Brad - or whoever wants to answer this....Maybe you've already addessed this in the myriad comments, and I tried to check it out in case; however, why are some posts showing photos and others do not. I was thinking that was a pretty cool idea...but not everyone is showing up. ;-)

Pepper
4:30pm • #279
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Jay Thompson stated:

"If you don't want to pay $29/month, the solution is simple. Don't. Go grab hosting for $4/month and install Wordpress (it's free). Then just blog your ass off in a vacuum for a year or two (or 3) and you too may be able to build up enough links and authority to have "Google Juice" that rivals (or exceeds) that of AR. And you'll have better branding as well."

And that, my friends, is why I LOVE Jay Thompson!
4:31pm • #280
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I'll keep an eye on things around here while you are gone, Brad.  No worries.
4:33pm • #282
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Personally I don't have a problem with the changes. However in these challenging times charging a monthly fee will severly limit the amount of new members I would think. However if you pay the monthly fee you are likely to post blogs an be an active member of AR.

Like many other comments I would be in favor of purging the system of inactive members. In my area there are about 25 people who have signed up over time, only about 5 of us are active. many of them haven't posted anything since the day the signed up.
4:34pm • #284
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Pretty cool, Brad!  And I was tyring to figure out what was making the photos show up in comments!  Now I get it!
4:34pm • #285
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Brad-  I really appreciate Claire's comment and Jon's assurance that "Founding members have a free membership for life!". But the end of the Inman article makes me a bit nervous.  Specifically, where it states that HouseValues acquired the right to buy all of ActiveRain for various prices, depending on the date.

What happens to those assurances, then?  What happens to our content?  No one can blame the founders for building a unique product and wanting to profit from its sale, but I wonder where that will leave the members.
4:34pm • #286
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Personally I don't have a problem with the changes. However in these challenging times charging a monthly fee will severly limit the amount of new members I would think. However if you pay the monthly fee you are likely to post blogs an be an active member of AR.

Like many other comments I would be in favor of purging the system of inactive members. In my area there are about 25 people who have signed up over time, only about 5 of us are active. many of them haven't posted anything since the day the signed up.
4:34pm • #287
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Pretty cool, Brad!  And I was tyring to figure out what was making the photos show up in comments!  Now I get it!
4:35pm • #288
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Gracious Rich...

Do you remember the days when Members would lay it on me for going off topic both on my Blog and in the comments? Do you also remember me telling Members to bite me if they don't like it? Back then, did you ever think for one moment that we would wind up with 3 generations of Rain Jackers? I didn't :)

TLW...ROAR!
4:36pm • #290
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Change happens. I want to second the motion that inactive members be purged, especially people who have never posted a blog, or even a comment.
4:38pm • #291
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thanks for the update and continuing to enhance the value proposition of Active Rain and its passionate community members. Aloha from Kauai...
4:39pm • #292
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HI TLW. 
4:39pm • #293

As if most folks aren't already struggling enough in this economy.

$29 per year, maybe.  But $29 per month?  $348 per year???

If AR needs to cover costs & turn a little profit, that's one thing.  But this smacks of pure greed.

AR is useful, but it doesn't hold a patent on social networking, blogging, Google PR, SEO, etc...

Oh, and please lose the "if you don't want to pay, you shouldn't be a member" position.  That's an elitist's argument.  Might as well say "if you're not making tons of money, you don't belong here."

ActiveRain?  Or ToxicRain?  Welcome, TR.
4:39pm • #294
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Brad...

In relation to your remarks about Presidents Day and AR. How much did Jonathan give you to type all of that? :)

Oh...And I have $50 bucks on 50 spin offs. Big Money on the line for this one :)

TLW...ROAR!
4:41pm • #295
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Wow, what a change! Good luck with it. I learned so much about blogging and the internet here, I hope all the newbies do too!

 
4:42pm • #296
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Brad, I wrote a post a little bit ago addressing the ROI that I have documented.

Last year I grossed $16,025 in commissions directly because of ActiveRain.  I invested
approximately $50.

The learning experience itself is priceless.  If new members do nothing else but sign on and read they will reap many rich benefits.
4:42pm • #297
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Hi Princess...

Can I borrow $29 dollars? I have a friend that for whatever reason doesn't have $29 to invest in their monthly Google Juice :)

TLW...ROAR!
4:43pm • #298
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I agree, you should go thru and get out the dead wood that does not even post a photo or a single blog.

 
4:44pm • #299

A few days (or hours) notice would have been nice... to send out reminders to friends and collegues on the fence. This was posted after the policy went into effect.
jason
4:46pm • #300
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Not surprised. Glad I joined last year. You all do a great job and appreciate being grandfathered in. Thanks and continued success!
4:46pm • #301
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The $29 is just to freak everybody out so that $27 a month doesn't sound so bad later on.  Relax.
4:46pm • #302

Love AR and glad you still live in a country where you can try to make a profit. I know I do. I've enjoyed my short time here and will continue to promote it, free or not!

Have a Fantastic President's Day!
4:47pm • #303

Wow this is fantastic news, keep up the good work! I am glad I joined when I did.
4:48pm • #304
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Yes, Queen TLW, you can have the $29. MWA!
4:48pm • #305

Wow, I'm honored to receive a founder's account and love when early membership comes with unknown perks. Thank you!
4:50pm • #306
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I am concerned it will limit growth but increasing membership does have a cost and you guys have to keep the lights on too.
4:51pm • #307
Well, looks like today is the ideal day for a first blog post. Glad the bar is set low for those of us to are mostly lurkers...
Sounds like today is a great day for a blog post!
4:51pm • #308
3 Featured Posts

I feel like I've won the lottery! It pays to move with technology and not wait until the last minute to begrudgingly take part. 
4:51pm • #309
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Well looks like Brad has his hands full with emails.  Perhaps somebody else could help me out.  I've been having a great time getting more involved with AR since the 1st of the year, reading the blogs and writing a few myself.  I've really enjoyed reading the blogs and totally get the value of this network.  So help me out here.....am I good to go or what?  I didn't sign up for an external blog link so does that mean anything? Thanks!  Anna Banana, Phoenix
4:52pm • #310
328,245 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Thanks for grandfathering us in as Founders! I first heard about it in an email Inman News sent out.  About 30 minutes later I got the Active Rain newsletter. 
4:52pm • #311
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Marilyn:   Those concerns have been shared by many of us since the very beginning. I always feel like that guy on TV for the Men's Hair Club:

"I'm not only on ActiveRain Staff, but I'm also a Member!"

My response to your concerns would be to consider the track record of ActiveRain management. Most everyone on our staff comes from a background in real estate. They are uniquely attuned to the challenges facing real estate professionals today and empathize greatly with our rank & file. They have always demonstrated a high level of integrity/commitment to us as members since the very beginning, and have worked hard to merit our trust. They have not given us any reason to question or doubt their intentions. As far as content is concerned, I have always recommended that bloggers should back-up all of their posts to an external hard drive prior to publishing, no matter where you blog - whether on ActiveRain, a WordPress, or TypePad, etc..
4:52pm • #312
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OK I am a founding member and I WANT to pay. How can I make that happen? My suggestion would be for any person that is struggling financially (and I know a lot of us are) is to cancel HBO or find some way to save $7 a week so you can invest it in your business on AR. That's a little over $350 a year. If you spent the next 12 months diligently blogging to attract business you should be able to get back minimum 100 TIMES that $300 investment.

 

 
4:54pm • #313
168,217 Points 2 Featured Posts

Brad, I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this. On one hand, I am happy to be considered one of the founders, and am able to blog and post comments for free.  On the other hand, I feel bad for everyone else that has not yet joined this fantastic community.  I guess all good things must come to an end, and by the way, my free website just converted to a monthly fee as well.  Can't wait to see what's coming next with AR.
4:54pm • #314

Wow, this will be interesting to see. Perhaps a 60 day trial or something would work also? I just see that $29 a month being a barrier for some Realtors....although is that bad? I think this will be a good move for you guys and I love that "nothing will change for existing members"

 
4:55pm • #315

Brad-I'm glad I finally got with the program! Thanks so much for all your help! Your the best!
4:56pm • #316
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I just hope my picture shows up... 

Honestly, I have been consumed all day by a database issue on one of my sites... and just saw the news on my daily Inman email.  I don't really know what to think yet. 

I really want you guys to be able to successfully monetize the site, but I have concerns over the viability of this path.  Actually, the end of the Inman there was a short bit about HouseValues having an option to purchase that was more disturbing to me.
4:56pm • #317

Forgot password.
4:57pm • #318
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Anna Banana (Why do I feel iike singing the 'Name Game?')  You're good to go. You would qualify as a 'Founding' member, and will continue to have FREE access. Blog On!
4:57pm • #319
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Thank Goodness I am a dino -soar.... =)... and appreciate the nod to the oldies but goodies...
4:59pm • #320
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Brad: I have been amazed that Active Rain has given so much for so long at the previous price. There will be many kicking themselfs in the back side as they had the opportunity to join before and never got around to it. This is the same like P2A done... Was free.. now they charge starting in March.
4:59pm • #321
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Lane:   I can understand the sense of 'Disturbia'...but we're still here for you and will continue to be....
5:00pm • #322
546,156 Points 11 Featured Posts

Hi Brad -- Question for you: I've been debating about getting an outside blog.  I'm an existing member.  If I want a 2-person (or group blog), what is the total cost? 29+19 monthly?
5:01pm • #323

Disclaimer: I'm likely to be the most outspoken officer employed by ActiveRain, so anyway...

MySpace, FaceBook and a multitude of other Social Networking (and other industry) sites do not charge for membership and neither does ActiveRain. All of these sites upcharge for premium and/or ancillary services and now so does ActiveRain. 

I'm consistantly bemused by people who 'don't understand' why a company needs revenue models, why they cant just offer everything for free for perpetuity.  We are a business.  It costs money to support hosting 12,000+ new articles per week, 135,000+ profiles, provide member technical support and customer service, accounting, legal, office expenses, sponsor industry events, and continually work to upgrade everything thats apparently taken for granted.

Economic times are tough.  $29/month for new members to post public (potential business) facing and high ranking search engine  content, is a very inexpensive and very cost effective marketing expense.

We are very cognizant and appreciative of the members who have gotten us to this point, which is why we 'grandfathered' everyone of you in.  New members may still sign-up and interact with other professionals for free, so there shouldn't be any less people to interact with.

Its true you can sign up for a multitude of free blogging platforms and you get what you pay for. 

If you are not already a publishing member and:

  • Understand SEO and don't need the Juice AR can provide your existing website...
  • Are a naturally compelling and gifted writer...
  • Are a Social Media savant...
  • Are a relatively technologically savvy individual...
  • Don't mind swimming in an ocean for 3 months to 3 years before being discovered...
  • Know most everything there is to about online marketing...
  • Think technical support and customer service is for sissy's...

Paying ActiveRain $29/month is not worth your money.

I'm a frequent member on the real estate 'seminar' circuit and without fail I hear everyone advocate using ActiveRain on some level to further their business...This place obviously provides value, so you'll have to excuse us if we begin to charge for it. 

Finally:  If you're a real estate professional, or working in any industry for that matter, and are 'broke', it's probably time to look for another job. 
5:03pm • #324
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Terry Westbrook:   Appreciate your comments. Therein lies the quandry. Find a reasonable source of revenue that allows for self-sustainment or suffer the potential of closing the doors.
5:04pm • #325
141,604 Points 11 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

Hmmmm.  I'm hoping this means I'm a grandfather. Or... wait.  Why's it so male, anyway??

I'm definitely glad i don't have to pay.  Times are tough and I'm not sure what I'd do if I had to fork up another monthly payment.  I'd probably just add a blog-page to my website instead of framing in AR.  I dunno.  Thankfully I'm saved from that decision! 

I do think advance notice would have been appreciated instead of being told after the charges started, but since we're not getting charged maybe it wasn't an issue.

I do wish you success, I love AR and don't want to lose it, so hopefully lots of folks will fork it over!!
5:04pm • #326
141,604 Points 11 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

And yeah, you know we're all commenting just to see our pictures come up. ;)
5:06pm • #327
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Well I was looking forward to having more Canadians sign up in the future but now I'm not so sure that will happen with the fee.  Hmmm, maybe that's not a bad thing.  You will be stuck with those of us that are already here, for referrals lol.  Can I be Grandmothered instead of Grandfathered?

Cheers

Jenny Kotulak
5:06pm • #328

Wow I wish I got this many comments on my posts. Turn away for a little while and see what you miss. It took me ages to reach this far down reading as I went. Thank you for offering current members who contribute something of value. We truly appreciate it. I personally have had so much support through Active Rain i don't understand why anyone when it was free missed the opportunity to join and contribute. Good luck with the price point as many have siad it may be a barrier to some but for others they will assign value to it as the internet becomes the way to go.
5:07pm • #329
283,150 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog

WOW!  What a surprise...but figured it was coming sooner or later.  I appreciate being a founder, but I've also put a lot of time and energy into Active Rain too.  It's been well worth it!

What percentage of members have never blogged a single post?

Do you want them on the network if they've never done anything?
5:08pm • #330
1 Featured Post Outside Blog

Wow, this is great. I usually never get in on any great deal. I am sure glad that I signed up a long time ago. I'd never be able to do the monthly fee. Thanks.
5:09pm • #331
2 Featured Posts

Just curious ... how did you come up with the $29/month price tag?  The number seems arbitrary at best, mercenary at worst (especially in the current economic climate).  For $29/month, I can get a web site, complete with content and IDX feed.  For $24.99/month, I can get a professionally written newsletter as well as national exposure for my monthly market conditions reports.  For $19/month, I can get unlimited hi-def virtual tours. 

I'll be the first to admit that my participation in Active Rain has been somewhat sporadic - but I still consider it a valuable tool in my marketing arsenal.  I'm just not sure I could convince someone that they have to pay a monthly fee of $29 *AND* produce their own blog content.  Seriously, how did you arrive at that number? 
5:10pm • #332
264,254 Points 23 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Membership has it's priviledges...

and to think I started doing this just because I liked it, still do, in fact I don't know if I'd keep it up if I didn't enjoy it so much. I never really thought about what I'd personally get from this when I started and I must say it's been a better source of networking/business than any weekly networking group I've ever been to and when you think of the costs of some of those groups (and the return or not) the return has been much greater here in the Rain - but again, my time has been a valuable investment as well but it has given me a platform for others to know me and my work. 

And then there's the therapy sessions I have not had to pay for when I can go to my friends I've made here... ;-)

I think I feel a blog or two coming on...
5:12pm • #333
Outside Blog

Well, I joined Active Rain Almost a year ago. I did not post anything because I was waiting for Puerto Rico to be included in the States areas above, but I guess I waited too long. I signed up and chose Florida state but it is not the same as being in Puerto Rico area, where I actually practice real estate. I sent a note to Activerain asking about this and they said something about including Puerto Rico in the second quarter of this year or something like that.

Anyway, there was no advance notice. I was always reading all the feature posts I received in my email, learning and getting ready. I always thought that if Activerain was going to make a move like this they would at least announce it a few days before actually implanting it.

Right now I do not have the luxury of paying this monthly fee, I am almost out of business because of this great economy gone bad. So maybe I will consider it if I survive in the industry and do not go and get a JOB to get at least some 'secure" money on the table.

Ernesto
5:13pm • #334
503,776 Points 36 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

Hey, I'm glad I got here early! There were only 21000 members then. Funny, I was just telling my new potential agent she needed to join. Wish she had done this yesterday.
5:14pm • #335
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Great observations by all. It's interesting timing on your part. I understand that running a business entails charging fairly and I also understand that fair warning would be helpful. I am happy to admit that am one of your free riders here so take what I say with a grain of salt:

I can tell you a number of mortgage professionals have let many of their extraneous expenses including gym memberships and latte accounts lapse in this economy as well as larger advertising budgets. We are using more creative guerilla tactics now . The very folks who should be marketing NOW are the ones that have not in the past so perhaps it's too late for them. I agree it is a prudent move to charge for premium services if you can identify the 'value added' sufficiently like any media business. As a power blogger myself spread across several social networks I simply cannot justify your premium product. I do provide valuable content to the sites I frequent so the admiration is mutual. I have also referred a number of Realtors and friends who are premium payers so at least I'm earning my keep!

Point 1: The question a person in my position must ask is what is the actual benefit of a paid blog such as Active Rain? It is unique, although a similar site exists in my region (www.raincity.com) For me, Active Rain is another place to be seen and heard-- I know the only folks who actually notice me per se, are local realtors and my compatriots who may or may not be 'leads' for my business 'yet'. Point 2: Profile building is important or I would not be here. I cannot say I have gleaned a single lead. Point 3: Ideas Exchage: I have used this site to communicate with peers mostly. Late nights one needs inspiration and for that I am eternally grateful of members who share. But that point is cruicial: without sharing members you have nothing and sharing members cannot be quantified (nor should they) as to who pays and who does not. One of the other blog sites I frequent has a nasty habit of downgrading my articles because I am a free rider. Shortsighted of them!

Next Ask: What does Active Rain get from this particular blogger? Besides several referrals your way, I added Active Rain link on one of my own blogs: (www.loannetter.blogspot.com) I allow reblogging of some of my articles.

BTW: I referred one of my LO's to your site on Friday so I hope she followed through. This is a perfect example of a newbie to blogging who would be a great source to grow...how about offering newbies a free three month trial? It makes sense to support each other however we can right now. 

Regards, Susan

 

 
5:15pm • #336
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Brad - How do I add my picture to my comments? Thanks in advance!
5:15pm • #337
146,597 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Can I get a refill on my stapler? 
5:18pm • #338
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Damn it X...

-->  Finally:  If you're a real estate professional, or working in any industry for that matter, and are 'broke', it's probably time to look for another job.

You beat me to that Punch. I was saving it for later. I was going to have it with my FREE buttered popcorn :)

TLW...ROAR!
5:19pm • #339
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Joel Klutch said:

"$29 per year, maybe.  But $29 per month?  $348 per year???

If you need to cover costs & turn a little profit, that's one thing.  But this sounds like pure greed.

As if folks aren't struggling enough in this economy.

Shame on you!"

With all due respect, Joel, but greed is not a motivating factor for us. Our primary passion/goal from the very beginning has always been to create & maintain a network that offers true value and benefits to its members. That we have achieved this is clearly evident in the numerous accounts from members, like Kris Wales above, who share about their successes. In order to maintain this network, and to continue to offer our members these valued benefits, we have to be self-sustaining.

In the past, I paid nearly $1000 annually for my custom website. That included hosting, IDX, and SEO. In my first year as an ActiveRain member, I received more viable leads that led to closed transactions than I did for 5 years with my website.
5:20pm • #340
124,162 Points

WIIFM - What's in it for me

I'm not sure about one thing.  Nobody has asked the question.  Will you still be able to post an outside blog for free like you used to be able too.  I honestly had this on my to do list today.  I haven't taken advantage of it yet because I'm still getting my feet wet blogging. 

I wanted to sign up for the free tool first, and then if I saw value upgrade to the paid account.

I read through the first hundred comments, but I haven't seen this issue raised yet.
5:23pm • #341
146,597 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Stop the presses...where does one go to get a website with content and IDX for $29 a month? 
5:23pm • #342

As my Mother used to say, "Nothing worthwhile is Free."

What I really wonder is, how can you measure ROI from a blog?
5:26pm • #343

Time to rewrite your password script, which doesn't work -- and a bit of spell checking couldn't hurt either:

 

"Forgot your password?

Just enter your username or email address and we will send you and email with your account information right away."
5:36pm • #344
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This whole issue can be compared to a giant piece of chocolate cake.  All of a sudden there is just a little bit less frosting----or you have to pay a little extra for additional frosting----but the CAKE is all still there:)
5:37pm • #345
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Hey Brad!  I'm IN !!  Way to go! 

In my opinion....it's worth every penny!! I'm here for life
5:38pm • #346
109,857 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I have to agree with Broker Bryant. Where do I send my check?!! I think these changes are excellent and well over-due! Good work ActiveRain!
5:38pm • #347
169,465 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router

As everyone has said - Glad I joined when I did.  Knowing what I know now - I would definitely pay to join - but I didn't get it at first.  I am a different agent because of ActiveRain and I know you have to make money to keep all of you here at ActiveRain - you are priceless!  I was considering paying for the Outside Blog (have a free one) but it was $74/month if I remember correctly.  Now at $19/month it is well worth it.  Now I am wondering how Twitter is going to start making money as I see it happening here--no one works for free and valuable venues like AR and Twitter ultimately have to make money-no doubt!
5:38pm • #348
105,589 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog

I'm still confused...are the badges the same as the photos in the comments??????
5:39pm • #349

whew! glad to be a founding member!
5:40pm • #350
169,465 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router

BTW - why are some pictures coming up on the comments and some not - did I miss something??
5:40pm • #351

Hello,

I'm glad that there will be no change for current members and thank you  for providing us with this service, but I still think $29 per month is a little too much.
Mayra Espinosa
5:41pm • #352
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Amanda, A basic template site on Godaddy costs $5 per month. Making your own links to others and writing articles takes TIME and EFFORT..that's what you are really investing!
5:41pm • #353

I have no picture either. mmm
5:42pm • #354

Hi Brad,

I think this is GREAT and AR is doing a phenomenal job.

Revenue models are an inevitable bump for any new business, and I think ActiveRain is generous for “grandfathering" its existing subscribers - that's exactly what we did with our property management software.

For the not so happy folks, Google FREEmium

A company can’t provide base services for FREE unless they are making a return on the optional Premium services. Welcome to the internet!

 
5:44pm • #355
268,633 Points 3 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I see that a lot of the postings have their pictures next to the post, but mine do not.  What do you have to change to make it so?

I see that "The Lovely Wife" said that she uploaded her picture again, and then it appeared.  So, I uploaded mine again, and am editing and updating this comment to see if the picture appears.  If you see my picture, then it worked. 
5:47pm • #356

I would agree with others that this is great news for the founding members and gives us a competive advantage because very few agents in my area would see the value in joining for the price.   I think it will drastically slow the growth of AR, in these economic times the price is too steep.  

But AR is a business and as Rich said they need to be self sustaining, this site would not become as great as it is without a financial cost and they have to find a way to continue to pay for growth.  
5:47pm • #357

For the past couple of months I have been looking into blogging and checking out ActiveRain.  I don't really understand how your site works.  My intent was to look at the material you have for newbies but I have not had a chance to do so yet.  Now if I want to blog here it will cost me $29 monthly.  I think it would have been nice if people that are members were given a chance to meet your requirements.  As a soon-to-be beginning blogger I just can't warrant that expenditure.  I feel sad that I missed being grandfathered but so be it.

 

 
5:48pm • #358
210,126 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog

@Amanda - any website that gives you "content" for $29/month also gives it to a bazillion other people. Kinda defeats the purpose....

More ramblings from Jay below:

There are no shortcuts to effective blogging / implementation of social media.

You've got to write, write a lot, and preferably write reasonably well. You also have to ENGAGE. I can't tell you how many people I talk to that say "I'm on Facebook and haven't gotten anything out of it". Or, "I blogged for almost 2 whole months and the phone never rang".

Well no kidding. Having a Facebook profile doesn't mean you are "on Facebook". Having an AR account doesn't mean you are blogging. And unless some A-list blogger hands over his/her blog to you, it's going to take you more than 2 months to get the phone to ring (and I betcha if said A-list blogger did hand over their blog, if the phone rang, it would be for them).

Canned content, pre-printed newsletters and the like are just that. Canned and pre-printed. They do NOTHING to brand you or separate you from the other 1.2 million Realtors out there. It's original content the search engines want. The platform doesn't really matter. Yes, AR has some built in "juice" that can give you one hell of a kick start, but you still have to use the tool effectively to take advantage of that juice.
5:48pm • #359
507,378 Points 19 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Called Shot Master

Brad, It is just common sense for this to happen.  I saw it coming and that is why I signed up for my outside blog.  I still need to get my widgets on but at least it is up, but I have been so busy with two buyers I got from A.R. recently, I haven't had time to get them on there right.  

A.R. is a great tool and I am really happy to be a part of it.  Thanks for all of your help so far and for the e-mail about listing router.  I'll call you in a week or so when things calm down for you!   :)
5:49pm • #360
387,176 Points 5 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Hi Brad,

I'm glad I was one of the earlier members!  (Only about 12,000 members when I first joined...)
5:50pm • #362

Great, another money grab - and people wonder why my previously sunny self has become so cynical.... I am ditching ALL technology , even though mastering it was my goal for this year, because it sucks up so much time and gets absolutely NO results.  Personal relationships are so much mroe valuable (at least in my market) than al of this self importance crap.
neighborhood realtor
5:51pm • #363
751,250 Points 7 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

I've been in Tampa for a week, and get back to read about this GREAT change.  I also would like to know,...how do I get my picture in the comment block.??
5:52pm • #364

Mike Ferry once said "Find out what all the other agents are doing and go do something different".
Charles Kraus
5:52pm • #365

Wow! I'm surprised at all the negative comments.  Being a "business" person this makes perfect sense to me. I'm glad Tracy Santrock got me started last year!

Lisa
5:54pm • #366
247,710 Points 20 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I'm with Amanda...my IDX solution ALONE costs me $39 a month...

This is so sad. 

20% of the prospects I received in 2008 came from an Active Rain blog I WROTE.  It won't be that high in 2009 because of my outside blog, but I learned a lot on AR that allowed me to expand in other directions.

$29 a month is totally worth it.

For agents struggling I suggesting cutting out magazine ads and newspaper ads of your budget.  Forget those dang just listed and just sold postcards...right good local real estate content...

You will more than make up the difference by the end of 2009.

 
5:55pm • #367
273,484 Points 18 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Anyone who thought this would never happen probably wasn't thinking things through. Big changes indeed! Thanks for recognizing the early adopters, and PLEASE purge the old, inactive accounts!
5:55pm • #368
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

AR Upper Mgmt...Is pretty quiet right now.

They may be 'in' meeting or eating. 

It may help some of you to know that I reloaded my image. Until I did that it wasn't  showing up.

Hope that helps :)

TLW...ROAR!
5:59pm • #370
381,475 Points 19 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

A number of people have commented about getting rid of the inactive accounts but I think it makes more sense to send them all an e-mail and "re-invite them". They have at least heard of AR and have some idea of what goes on here.
6:02pm • #371
The only complaint I've ever had about ActiveRain, and still have, is the lack of advance notice. Something like this surely deserves more than 12 hours notice for those of us who actually work during the day.
6:04pm • #372

AR has been a good platform for learning and sharing with others.  Thanks for grandfathering us old timers in.

I was wondering how long before the HV investment would start turning AR into becoming a cash cow.  We have so many in our pockets now. I, too, think that new membership will fall off to the many different free and ad based offerings. Just remember how the HV (SOLD) stock took a dump after abusing and not paying attention to their real customer base, the agents using their service. 

 Purging... How can a REALTOR® even suggest purging other REALTORS®? Are we not in the same association as agent brothers and sisters? We are allowed to use the title REALTOR® but ethical treatment of our fellow NAR members is a requirement!
Ed Cassady
6:06pm • #373
335,536 Points 14 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Great details Brad.  I like that the post came out BEFORE the changes too effect.  Too many times in the past something was implemented and they you guys would deal with the complaints.  This is a great 'heads up' post.  Its fantastic that its free to older members, although still a great idea to get the outside blog for $19.  Hopefully new members will really see or hear about the opportunities that AR has in place for them already and it will not discourage them from signing up.  Again, thanks for the update.
6:06pm • #374
180,369 Points 12 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

I think that this will be a huge mistake, but only time will tell.  The price is simply too high for potential new members to "see" the benefit of AR.  Yes, AR has some massive google juice, but new (and new to blogging) agents will still take it somewhere else first.  Making AR fee-based in a recession is a bold mood in and of itself.  Making it a fee-base when there are multiple sites attempting to capitalize on your success (with free memberships) while in a recession is simply poor planning, IMO.

I see no real benefit to a "free" membership as stated.  Sure, you'll get any social networking benefits that you may have received, but members only posts don't google juice, so new members won't ever see any benefit signing up for more.  What it will ultimately create is alot more dead weight on the boards, which several have already stated, would be a good idea to eliminate in the first place.

I don't understand the need for a big price jump.  It's $19/month for an outside blog, but now you're going to force $29/month if you want to post blog articles to more than "members only."  Why not simply charge $10/month for an AR blog (inside?) and offer the outside blog as an upgrade (similar to how it is now)?  I think you'd get alot more bites that way.

I, too, hope the concept of Founding Members NEVER having to pay, but to be truthful, I'm not going to be holding my breath on this one.  Remember the free outside blog thing?  It will ALWAYS be free to those that signed up during the free version.  Want all the benefits of the new outside blog?  You'll have to pay for that?

On a final note, Brad, you definitely fall into the UnPimp My Blog category.  My computer nearly freezes up anytime I try to read one of your posts.

Hope it all goods well
6:10pm • #375

I understand that you need to make changes.  In this economy people are  having a hard time getting buy.  People may not subscribe at this time because of their financial situations.

 
6:11pm • #376
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...and to think I was almost ready to go to bed....!!

Amanda - I hope you found some refills as I was looking for some but must have run out myself.

TLW - that free HOT BUTTERED popcorn is yummy, especially with an ice cold Diet Coke.

Rich - I am chuckling like crazy over --> "Anna Banana (Why do I feel iike singing the 'Name Game?')".  I was kinda humming "Anna fanna fo-fanna, fee fi fo fanna - Anna Banana".  I have friends who call me that. 

"The Name Game"

Ann
6:12pm • #377
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TLW, We are all eagerly following the comment stream on this post and discussing our member's feedback.  Often after major announcements like this we prefer to get the main points out there and then let our members discuss the plusses and minuses of the changes without our interference in the conversation. 

To those that are worried that this change will affect the rate of new subscriptions, The jury is still out on how this change will affect membership growth but I do have one real time number that I can share with you and that is the number of new membership signups so far today: 287  This number is pacing higher than normal, for example last Monday we had 260 signups all day. I believe the changes we made to our new member signup page may be contributing to this increase.
6:15pm • #378
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Roger - thanks for taking the time to post your comment and thoughts.  I will take one thing into consideration for sure, and that's to unpimp my Blog.  I never want any visitor to have to wait more than a micro second to have my page load.  Let me see what I can do to correct that for you.  Thanks. 

BTW - Any new member can still sign up for free, no one is forcing them to pay, I hope I didn't miss covering that in this post.   :-)
6:16pm • #379

Brad - we appreciate all that Active Rain has done for us, and hope the community keeps growing and sharing!
6:18pm • #380
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Brad - you covered it very well, some just don't read.  You know, haven't you ever heard it said "REALTORS don't read?" 

YOU are going to 'unpimp your blog'?????  THAT I have to see!!  ;-))

Pimp, pimp, bo-bimp, fee fi fo pimp......

Ann
6:20pm • #381
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See Brad...

I told ya you had too much stuff. I know you went cold turkey but one widget at a time you're back in the game :)

Sorry Jonathan...

I just wanted others to know sometimes a re-load can go a long way :)

Okay. Back to my Popcorn.

TLW...ROAR!
6:20pm • #382
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LOL...

At Anna Banana.

If you know Anne...Then you too are glad to see her playing in The Rain :)

Money...Money...Fo FUNNY...Fe Fi Fo Money :)

TLW...ROAR!
6:22pm • #383
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My Howdy

there Brad, Bob, Jorgen, Rich

Seen that it's way after 5:00 A.M. right now. And that I just found out about all this, and did not get to write a post and get it posted. Does that mean that I'm not a founder?

The ActiveRain Founder Accounts - are they the blogging area we have now, or are they another area of the community?

Why are photos of some folk's, showen up in comments and others are not?

There are so many comments up above that I did not read each one of them. If Y'all answer these questions for other members, I'm sorry for asken them agin. But if Y'all would be kind to answer them for me. This old war horse, sure would appreciate it.

God Bless America
6:26pm • #384

Hi Brad,

First, thank you for all you do.

Active rain is a great way to get "out there" with blogs, market reports, listings, not to mention the networking with other agents. I'm glad I'm a part of it.

Thank you for rewarding those of us who have been here a while.

Rudy
Rudy Detgen
6:29pm • #385
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TLW - why thank you my friend!  Got the pic - loved that, thank you!

He hasn't unpimped yet - did you notice?

First generation hijackers - some mighty fun times back then!!

Ann
6:29pm • #386
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Picture still doesn't show up, after I reloaded it, and updated my previous response in this post.

Trying a new response here to see if the picture loads.

Like Dale Baker, I'm wondering why some photos are "showen up" and some aren't.  Doesn't anyone have an answer?

 
6:31pm • #387
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It's funny how many people are blowing right past the "This is effective at 5:00**AM** today" and assuming it's 5:00PM....

Read folks. Read.....
6:35pm • #388
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Brad, thanks!  You guys deserve to make money, I'm excited about the changes! 
6:36pm • #389
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Oh my gosh TLW updated her picture I see!  I like the addition of the pic BTW.

It's too complicated for me and it probably will be for others too. 

 
6:38pm • #390
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Wow I don't have time to read all the responses but here are mind. First thank you for grandfathering in the existing users. Second I wish there was more time to tell current users if you haven't posted a blog they are not grandfathered in for consumer access. Oh well. Your service is valuable. I have noticed my rankings creeping up in Google. 
6:38pm • #391
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Brad - normally I read all the comments before responding, but with 376 comments so far, that's just not going to happen.

I think it's great that Active Rain will now be able to begin monetizing their great product - and really appreciate that Active Rain acknowledges the contributions of those who have posted long and hard.

Kudos for the new solution, and the recognition of the current members.
6:39pm • #392

$29 a month?  That's a hefty price.

Especially since I was going to start up blogging on AR after I finished up a move in a couple of weeks. Now? Not so much. $350 a year for the priveledge of posting a blog? I'd rather put that cash in my own website at this point.I'm not saying it's a bad business move for AR... it's not. It's just disappointing for me personally because it was in my plan to start this up  so soon.

I know I'm hardly a mover or a shaker on AR, but I have read a lot lately...and while I know that ability won't change, it's a shame that I'm not going to participate as I had been planning.
6:40pm • #393
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Brad,

I was busy all day and just got the news.  It is a bold move and honestly it is great strategic business decision for the financial health of AR.  I'm happy you grandfathered the oldtimers and active members.  I have to agree with some comments of purging those members who just signed up and was inactive ever since.  They lost all the benefits of being in AR.  It is the best website for real estate.  Just like Julie, my ranking has moved up in Google.  The $29 fee is all worth it for new members.  It is less than a dollar a day and the benefits are tremendous.
6:41pm • #394

DUUUUDE!  How about a little advanced warning???  :)  I just got all excited about Active Rain at REBar Camp and immediately invited everyone to sign up... and now you're forcing me to practically beat them into submission to get it done!!! 

Sounds like a good plan though!
6:42pm • #395
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Brad, Wow am I glad that got off my duff and started blogging at the end of November.....I have seen remarkable results thanks to the AR community....I can say there is certainly very tangible value...but sure am glad I am grandfathered in..although it makes me sounds very old....
6:44pm • #396
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Great discussion forum here!  I think that perhaps we're missing a much broader issue...  This decision is about running a business, in order to be profitable.  Every viable business must have a fairly dependable source of income.  Now, how it gets it depends on the model the business chooses to adopt.  Active Rain has chosen this one and I sincerely hope it works.   Afterall, I'm in business myself... 

What is missing in this context (at least from my perusal of the comments) is that Active Rain members must also make a broader Business decision.  One that encompasses not just the Active Rain platform, but potentially a number of other platforms in which they are involved and which will be deemed essential or beneficial to their business in the days ahead.

For instance, if you use Flickr...you may opt to get a pro account for approx $25 per year.  Facebook continues to explore revenue generation through a variety of means including social ads.  One day that might change and there may be a charge for the account...who knows.

The issue is for each of US to make a determination about what works and INVEST in ourselves and our future.  If Active Rain has been a platform which has brought benefit, then make a personal decision on that basis.  Just realize that this type of activity will increase in the age of the Internet and blogosphere...not diminish.  Be prepared.

Hey, just noticed my graphic is 'peanut'...that may be about what this comment is worth. :)
6:44pm • #397
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I love the name of being a 'FOUNDING MEMBER'. Since i have been slow on deciding on a domain name, I now don't have my photo posted when i comment!

On the other note, can you please advise me on the SEO power on 'Founding Member' inside blog? Is that going to remain to be the same or is it going to be less since we have not yet upgrade an outside blog?
6:47pm • #398

"It's funny how many people are blowing right past the "This is effective at 5:00**AM** today" and assuming it's 5:00PM...."

 

Oh, I noticed. I also noticed that it was posted at 5:26am, too, 26 minutes after the deadline had already passed. Absolutely no notice that current users who hadn't posted a blog yet would not be grandfathered in for consumer access. That's where I'm frustrated... because it converts us to a free membership without a by your leave. Obviously, I knew there was a pay feature to blogging "coming soon" but that was a bit vague.

 

That's kind of like passing a sign that say the speed limit is 65 MPH, then 2 miles down the road getting pulled over for speeding... and having the cop tell you, "Oh it's 45 MPH now, we put up a new sign right after you passed it. Here's your ticket. It'll cost you $500. Have a nice day."
6:49pm • #399

Oops... I just realized I beat up on people in my office all day today without reading the last paragraph of Brad's blog posting that says it ALREADY went into effect.  Oh well, these days in our industry people aren't getting enough beatings anyway.  lol  Just kidding, of course!!!
6:50pm • #400
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Wow, I'm glad I joined when I did.  I know there are going to be a lot of people who are going to be wishing that they wrote that first post.  I was just thinking this morning, it's just a matter of time before AR starts charging a fee.
6:55pm • #401

So much for FREE.  You can canel my membership.
7:00pm • #402
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When I think back to all the people I invited to blog on Active Rain, and all the people who didn't join, it just makes me realize that everyone has a different reason for joining or not joining.  Many people simply don't like to write.  Others didn't see the benefit.  Others claimed it was too technical for them.

Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses.  I know a lot of very successful agents who will never become bloggers.  They will continue to be successful.  But, I think the future strongly favors agents who are willing to invest their time and energy into blogs and social networking, including Facebook and LinkedIn, as well as devote some energy into creating useful websites and respectfully using Email to communicate with potential clients.
7:03pm • #403
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Wow.  I've been MIA working and parading and saw the newsletter pop up in my email - HUGE changes and I'm glad that I'm part of the founding members club.  Kind of puts a damper on my blogging presentation tomorrow afternoon though.  Any suggestions for how to take someone from "what's a blog" to "here's my credit card number"?  Even though I understand the value we get here, I think it will be a hard sell to get new members to pay for a service that they can't quantify a benefit from.
7:03pm • #404
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I guess that explains why some of my comments in my blogs have pictures and others don't.

And now all those 200+ people I've invited who haven't signed up are going to be kicking themselves!! 

As my 7 year old niece says, "Shuffle your feet, lose your seat!"
7:05pm • #405
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Just as long as you don't change your terms of service to state you own anything and everything we ever post.  Now THAT would suck!

 
7:06pm • #406
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7:06pm • #407

You said changes were coming. We invited our two local REMAX offices and sent over 200 invitations to join AR. The agents that joined will be glad they did. We want AR to be around for awhile so whatever it takes to make that happen is ok with us.
7:10pm • #408
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Just an observation and my own opinion, but if members signed up on AR and have waited weeks and in some cases months or years to post, I'm not sure that any warning or announcement of changes about new membership plans would have had any impact on members creating their first post.  Those members are still able to create posts (to members only) but most still have not created them.

I think there is more to it why some will join and never post anything.

As far as purging these members, we want them to still have the option to remain members here and if they haven't or won't post anything, I hardly see them taking up space or hurting the network just by being here.  It is up to each member on AR how they choose to use and benefit from this community.  It's up to us to make sure they have a community in which to make that decision.

Today we had more that 260 new members sign up and that's more than last Monday's new member results.  There is great value and benefits to both FREE and Paid memberships on AR and time alone will prove this.  Allowing members to sign up for FREE creates the opportunity for them to explore, investigate, research, and see how others are using AR to grow and promote their business.  Then (at anytime) they can make a personal and educated decision on how they see AR best fitting into their business plan and budget.
7:11pm • #409
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Hi Brad....."Now You're Done It Ollie"  just Kidding:O)

It's your business, if you need $29 per month to grow and survive so be it. Who are we to tell you what's right or wrong about your business model. Time will tell you if this was good for business.

Personally I enjoy AR and would stay if we all had to pay a monthly fee, the benefits for me have out weighted the negatives. The Content, Support, Sharing, Friendships, etc etc has been awesome.

I hope it works out for you, thanks for Grandfathering us Old members. Heck there was around 10,000 members when I joined two years ago and I did not have clue what it was all about...and you may still think so...Look how far we have come and the stuff we have all learned in the Rain....Bottom Line I'm in and will be for a long time :O)

Thanks to all of you that have made AR the Place it is today !!

PS: I'm not sure I want to see my photo duplicated over and over, it's okay if you are Pretty like all our AR Ladies, it maybe time to ask Marti for a Graphic image.

Cheers.... Brad is this a one day record for you on comments?
7:16pm • #410
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Brad - I'm curious, how many of those new 260 members today opted for the "Rainmaker" package and how many just took the free route? (And I undersatand completely if you can't disclose specifics)
7:18pm • #411
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I am glad I signed when I did! I didn't really see the value until after I was in for awhile, so maybe a trial 30 day thing would be beneficial-kind of like on Growth leader where you let them look at one listing to see what they are getting on the website and then they have to register if they want more. They know what they are getting into.
7:22pm • #412

"Just an observation and my own opinion, but if members signed up on AR and have waited weeks and in some cases months or years to post, I'm not sure that any warning or announcement of changes about new membership plans would have had any impact on members creating their first post."

 

In most cases, this is likely VERY true.

It was not in my case, however... as I was still learning how to navigate through the site and figuring how to juggle my memberhsip since I wear two "hats" that are categories here on AR. Because I'm in the middle of a move right now, I put off any major web work until the first of March when I was settled. So, yes... I'm disappointed greatly that your announcement came a half an hour after the deadline. Would 12-24 hours notice have been so bad? Those that don't read the email or the site may never have known in that short of a time (especially on a major holiday) ... but those of us who do would have and it would seem like a nice gesture to loyal readers.

I still don't think that $350 a year for theability to have consumers view my blog is worth it... for me at this point. As I said, I've still been navigating and learning a few things and for my roles (virtual assistant, notary) it may not be as active an opportunity as it may be for others, especially agents and brokers. Granted, when it comes to AR... I may not even need to target the consumer market, but all the same, it can, and will have a small effect and it does change my plans.

I do think it's a great step forward for AR, though... don't get me wrong. I think it just looks really underhanded to announce this on a holiday a half an hour after the deadline.
7:25pm • #413
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Glad to see that you guys are going to be making some much-deserved money... but I'm also glad that I won't be paying.

Troy Trumm
7:29pm • #414

"I'm curious, how many of those new 260 members today opted for the "Rainmaker" package and how many just took the free route?"

 

And, how many of those 260 mistakenly thought that they had until 5pm because the tone of the announcement indicated somethinig happening in the near future...rather than hitting them with it in the last paragraph.

It says the the plan "GOES" into effect....  not "WENT" into effect. The announcement was poorly written and after the deadline, and that's the problem. I'm pretty sure a big chunk of those 260 members were ones who were misled by the tone of the announcement. Yes, I know it says 5am... but the tone up until that part suggests otherwise.
7:32pm • #415
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Brad!  This is wonderful - now maybe you guys can stop eating Top Ramen, while the rest of us benefit off of the network you have worked so hard on!!!  I am all for it and thrilled that AR can be monetized.  I also appreciate that you took the time to really be thoughtful and appreciative to those of us that have worked really hard to build our successes here as well as the network's as a whole.   THANK YOU!
7:34pm • #416

Aloha Brad:

 

This is a much needed change.  I always mention Ar to anyone in Real Estate especially newbies, however in this market not so many.  RE/MAX website has message boards which are hardly ever used, which i cannot understand why? The same is true here where members just read and do not add anything else. I feel this blog community can only grow if we all give input, if not on a constant basis then at least a continued one as our time permits. After all if we have time to read and take something away from AR, why not write and give something back. After all we all have something to share, whether it is an actual professional or personal experience or a questions with a much needed answer. After al you might not be the only one with the same question and if it never gets asked, then it surely never will get answered!

 

I have met so many wonderful folks here and even had some leads come my way.

 

So blog something today.  Brad has given us all such a wonderful place to assemble any hour we wish and the benefits are overwhelming.

Each and every member sould be posting here to this new membership info, however just how many of you have?

 

Take care and remember I love referrals and reside on Oahu!

 

Plus I am going to be blogging a lot soon about animal activists and real estate as I will be seeking out any of you who wish to participate in finding homes for homeless pets many of which due to foreclosures and short sales where the owners have to rent and are not allowed to have pets. these animals all need our help. i offer a FREE PET PLEDGE, anyone interested please email me directly   dennislubrano@gmail.com

 

Thanks again Brad.

Dennis Lubrano (RA) ABR

Pet Friendly

RE/MAX Honolulu
Mahalo Brad, well done!
7:37pm • #417
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All I can say is thank you for not putting us current members out in the rain (the bad rain, as it would be in this case ...). I have worked countless hours and sacrificed so much, and being forced to start paying to keep my content would have been unbelievably painful. I hope this works for you guys. I don't think I would sign up for $30 - as I wouldn't have the wondeful personal success stories to know its true value. Best wishes that this helps you guys succeed in this great business of yours.
7:40pm • #418
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Fred - this post most certainly holds the comment record for a single day!  Gotta go looking for my wrist braces and extra phone battery now ....  :-))
7:41pm • #419
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Just want to make one thing very clear for those of you out doing classes, seminars, trainings, webinars promoting ActiveRain to your communities, associates, and colleagues just like we do....

YOU CAN SIGN UP ON ACTIVERAIN AS A "BASIC" MEMBER FOR FREE!

Let those you invite make their own choices, no one has to beat a credit card out of anyone...

I hope this is clear to those reading this post, it's my bad for not making it BIG, BOLD, Black and White. 

Bullet Point #2 from the above post:

A "Basic" ActiveRain account will still be available to new members for FREE, however these new accounts will be limited to "Members Only" postings.  This means that any new members will still be able to benefit from the networking aspects of ActiveRain for FREE, but will not be able to tap in to ActiveRain's huge consumer reach unless they sign up for the "New Membership Plan."
7:42pm • #420

I'm glad to see that you're keeping pace with the growth of AR and adding value by charging for the site.  I'm also glad I've been a member from the beginning!
Diana Brunner
7:43pm • #421
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Oooooo - guess you guys will be able to upgrade from the store brand mac and cheese to Kraft, huh?

I am grateful to AR for all I have learned over the past 2 years and also to AR for grandfathering me in.  Thank you for your high regard of my membership.

Tina in Virginia
7:44pm • #422
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Wow... What a fascinating conversational thread (LOL).
7:45pm • #423
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New Membership Fee on Active Rain: $29

Founding Members Fee $0

Friendships Built, Support Offered, Laughter Shared, Lessons Learned: PRICLESS!

Kudos & thanks for the "Founding" status! I feel like I should don a white wig, ala George Washington ;)
7:48pm • #424
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I do know one thing......this is going to slow down the growth of the network....... agents LOVE anything that brings them income that is a good value....... by good value I mean low priced and reasonable in its price for what you get out of it.....

I am not sure agents will want to pay $29.00 per month for this....even though it is a HUGE resource....... I THINK the dollar value per month is a bit high....... of course you guys have to set the pricing according to what you percieve the value is in SEO gains and consumers reached for each agent who actively participates.....

Maybe $14.99 per month is a more reasonable price in my opinion....... BUT that is JUST my opinion......

Point2Agent gives a personal blog along with their Professional Level Website priced at $49.95 per month...their basic website WITHOUT a blog is $9.95.......and has only 15 pages.......

Do you see what I am talking about.....??

$29.00 is a BIT high IMO......

BUT I do NOT own the network and I do NOT know the fixed and variable costs associated with the maintenance of this network......

So, like I said...it is just an opinion..........

BTW Brad...I will be making a post about our GROUP blog SOON....I am almost done moving and my boxes are almost all put away......

=-)
7:52pm • #425
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I'm in no matter what. Even for $29 a month, the benefits on AR are hard to find elsewhere. I have been blogging for about 10 months now, so I figure I'm a "Founding Member" I don't think I founded anything, however my blog posts did make a contribution and that is what is all about. Getting involved and making a name for yourself, referrals will be easier to find me if my name is there. Now, how do I get my smily picture on here?

Antonio
7:56pm • #426
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To Whoever left this comment:

"I think it just looks really underhanded to announce this on a holiday a half an hour after the deadline."

If you're going to accuse us of being underhanded, the least you could do is to log in and show us who you are! There is nothing underhanded going on here. When these kind of changes are implemented, you have to start somewhere. There is still value in participating even if you don't elect to pay.
7:57pm • #427

"This means that any new members will still be able to benefit from the networking aspects of ActiveRain for FREE, but will not be able to tap in to ActiveRain's huge consumer reach unless they sign up for the "New Membership Plan."

 

I think we've all figured that part out. But, while you claim current members still have the same benefits, they apparently do NOT... they only have the benefits that they've used UP UNTIL THIS POINT.

So if they wanted to use a benefit, or were thinking of using a benefit but had not yet been able to do so (and you should not assume what our plans may have been) ... they've now lost that ability with no notice from you. The only way they can get it is if they pay you $29 a month.

Why would an existing member want to pony up $29 a month? In essence, while you are granfathering them in... you're actually charging them MORE if they want to add blogging with consumer access. New members will get the whole package... but existing members already have part of that package. So, why make them pay $29 as if they're new members?

What about a discounted plan for existing members who want to add that one component of blogs with consumer access?

I guess I'm done griping about this. I think some of it. It's a great business move, Brad... but it's already alienating some existing members.

And what about those active, existing members who never did use the blog feature of AR because they have a blog on their own website, and didn't want to repeat the content or double the work? There are quite a few of those.... and now they're stuck, too.

I just think, that while it's a great business move... you could have been more concientious about announcing it.
7:58pm • #428
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This will be interestin to see how it plays out.  To be honest I joined because it was free and then found out it is a very valuable resoures.  I would have rather seen a free trial period to hook people and then start charging the new members.
7:59pm • #429

Anonymous commenter,

Can you just contact me directly?
8:03pm • #430
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Wow ! I figured that this would create a dialogue but over 400 comments ?? !!  Is that a record ? 

Not for nothing, the cost is so immaterial for any agent who wants to increase their business.  For us, the service is invaluable.

I thank Active Rain for their decision as it makes sense that the members have also provided the synergy and the content to make it as valuable as it is !

Active Rain Rocks !!!!!
8:05pm • #431
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Brad, I did notice that you'll still have a free membership.  I covered that in my previous comment, as well (so, yes, I DO read!).  I don't think the free membership will offer much of value, but I could be wrong (hope I am).

You all are singing the praises of AR, that it's well worth the cost of $29/month, but have you read the comments?  The only ones that think that it's worth that are existing members that have already seen the value of AR with monetary returns of their own.  Heck, look at how many comments are "glad you're finally charging.  Glad I don't have to pay."  Translated, I wouldn't be here if you were going to start charging me.  If the majority of the existing membership doesn't get it, how do plan on selling it to new members that haven't already been emersed in it?

You need to make money for your efforts, I just think that you're looking at the wrong source for that revenue stream.  The content on AR is what provides a large source of that google juice.  Now, new members will have to pay to provide you that content.  Only Government officials can understand that logic.

As Lenn said, advertising spots would generate as much, if not more, revenue, due to the PR of AR.  That's where you should be focusing.  Google itself provides tons of quality free stuff for it's users, yet it is both very successful and very profitable.

I think when your top contributer, Lenn Harley, questions this move, that it should be seriously taken into consideration that it may not be the best move to make.  But what's done is done, and as you said, only time will tell.
8:10pm • #432

I just want to say THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!  I have been on AR since April 24, 2007, and although I don't have a specific number for my ROI because it's intermingled with my website leads - but it's been substantial enough for me to know that something around here is working to my benefit. 

I couldn't begin to pay for this type of service anywhere else for less than $1 per day.  I don't think it is unreasonable at all to ask a fee for this type of exposure.  I agree with Broker-X that if someone in the industry can't afford less than $1 per day to reap the benefits, they should be looking into another industry, perhaps a paid or salary position.  Or, get creative and join with a fellow agent and blog together.  Split the cost and split the leads ~ whatever.  You guys deserve to be able to keep your business alive, which I am sure isn't "free" for you. 

Anyway, I just wanted to take the time to say once again, Thank You, for grandfathering me in and for all you do.  I should have said it a long time ago.
8:10pm • #433
622,286 Points 21 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I hope all goes well.  I want you guys to succeed and make money.  Thanks for grandfathering me in.
8:11pm • #434

Anonymous commenter,

I think if you ask anyone who has ever dealt with us, they will tell you that we are fair and amicable. However, you have to draw a line somewhere. Could we offer a 30 day free trial? We could have, but we chose a 30 day money back guarantee. I'll give you 60 if you think it would help you make a decision.

If you contact me directly and give me the reason that you didn't start blogging earlier, I'll try to be flexible.

This is a business that we run here. We can only keep this site up and running if we have the financial means to do so. When we launched this network we did it out of our own pockets. Some of us took mortgages on our homes, some of us worked for no pay. Some of us took far less than we were worth on the open market. We did this because we believed this network had value, and continues to have value.

The founding members are the ones that put in the time and effort to make this place into what it is today. They are the ones that poured their hard work and their content into making this a destination for over 2 million visitors a month. We decided that they paid to get us this far, but someone has to pay to keep it going. If new members want to benefit from having their content exposed to 2 million visitors a month, then they will have to pay.

Someone mentioned it above, but if you start blogging here and you pay the $360/year to post content to consumers you will see a return on that investment. If you don't, then you are doing something wrong and I will personally help you figure out what that is and fix it.
8:13pm • #435
580,740 Points 11 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Brad..Does Wrist Braces work...Great. I needed to know that, many times my wrist throbs when I go to Bed from my Computer key board.mybe one of our AR Realtors with Past Medical Experience Like Debe can start a Blog on this.

PS: $29 In Canadian Dollars... it's near $45 a month...MMM. Good For us that Joined before today.
8:13pm • #436

Congrats!! Smart move!
8:13pm • #437
108,024 Points

Hi Brad,

Great to hear that "WE", old members get free accounts. It makes me feel good and it makes Active Rain even a better public immage to give away free accounts to all 130k+ members.

Thanks Brad and Thanks Active Rain, 

Tommy
8:13pm • #438

Funny how, if you don't agree with AR's ridiculous new membership plan, your position is described as "negative."  To the contrary: I'm POSITIVE it's an awful idea!

(BTW: appreciation to those few members gutsy enough to express their opposing views, unpopular though those views may be.)
8:17pm • #439
268,633 Points 3 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad, if you could respond to this question, you would help a lot of us.

Why do pictures show up for some people, but not for others?

I tried reloading my picture in my profile, as TLW suggested.  Didn't help.  I tried posting another response afterwards.  That didn't help.

Can you, or anyone else here, tell us why our pictures are not displayed, but others are?

It's not that I'm so good looking that I need to have my picture out there.  I just feel lonely.  Maybe I'm too ugly to have my picture shown along with my Active Rain Founding Members brethren.  Please tell me that I'm not THAT ugly.

Hmm, let's see if I can just plant a picture of me here, in the body of the message:

Bob as Sean Connery

My best Sean Connery imitation.

 
8:19pm • #440
1,177,126 Points 133 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

oooo ooo oooo I get a Rainmaker VIP badge!  LOVE IT!!!  Serious.  Ok, takes very little to get me excited these days!

Bout time you monetized this bad boy!
8:25pm • #441
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WOW! Between the time I first started reading these blogs and the time I got to the bottom to make my comment, you guys went from 377 to 416 comments. Bet bedtime is going to be late for some AR staffers tonight.

I'm so glad to be honored with a FOUNDER account. Even though I tend to sporadic with my blogs, I truly appreciate the value of this site! My only downfall is that I'm probably accessing about 10% of it's potential!

As a Home Stager, it may be easier for me to see AR's value at first glance than for Realtors. I've gotten a great many encouraging comments from my blogs, which is particularly helpful in such challenging times. I've also gotten fantastic ideas from Stagers around the country when I've posted staging challenges that I've confronted on projects in process. Then of course there is the huge potential SEO value of this site.

With regard to some of us getting our image uploaded when we respond to this blog and others not, I'm guessing this might be AR's way of getting us to figure out some "trick"  they've set up for us within this blog. I notice that most other questions are being answered by the AR staff....but not the one about "why isn't my picture showing up?"...just a thought! (Anyone want to share...or is that cheating?)

I  want to cast my vote for the idea of eliminating accounts that are inactive.

 
8:30pm • #442
733,659 Points 231 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad and the others.... change and hope, change and hope...  Sound familiar?  lol  I just play in my own sandbox for now, sometimes peaking out.

But seriously....  I don't mind change. I would have if I was asked to pay for this. But let's face reality for a moment. Knowing the benefits of AR and what it has done for me, both in increased business and able to network all over, I would have paid. Those saying differently?  It's sad....  but I am very grateful that Jon honored part of what Matt H. stated when you all first started this and to at least include those members that have been on here forever.

I will agree partially though with Lenn Harley. I read about 50% of the comments and I didn't see a reply to two of Lenn's comments. One point was that it might be hard to get agents to pay $29 out of the gate. Yet, Rich and Jorgen both made comments that anyone gets to join for free...  play in the rain, without the worries of putting their stuff out in public. And if they like it and see the benefits, then they can join. All they need to do is read those blogs in Brian Blocks group, to see the success stories.

But Lenn does bring up another great point. This site is seen as a social networking site...  a ton of blogs that are featured that are just so so at times and don't relate to real estate. If I was paying money, I would want to make sure that this was more of a real estate networking group. Just my .02.  But has irritated me as of lately, and I am not the only one, are those blogs that get featured that read extremely wel, but are misleading and full of opinion that sound like fact.  And even those opinions are not even close and give misinformation. I have seen this happen on several mortgage related blogs. So... if I was new and would read this?  It might change my mind not to sign up. 

@ Larry....  I am going to disagree with your comment. If you understand SEO and how blogging works... and if someone would tell and teach these heavy hitters of yours, that you don't need to be recognized and or featured on here to garner business. If google loves you, that's all you need. If you write quality stuff, have key words, etc, etc... Google will love you. If I could trade in all of my points, all of my features, .. just to get another 15 deals, I would do it in a heart beat. Cash is king...

 

cougar

clown

@ Sardi....  here are a few pictures that you can use... knock yourself out....  lol

 

 

Those teaching blogging classes - Just my opinion, but if you think it would be hard to sign up new people through your classes, then you aren't thinking outside the box. How about offering your classes for a flat fee of $39 and they get 1 month for free. After that, they are on their own. I plan on giving classes this spring, but to realtors only. And those that call me or I get business from, so not to violate respa, I would pay for this through the class. It's allowed, as long as I am giving blogging classes... and able to make them RE credited. If you can teach the value of blogging, people will pay... not all. But what I like about this is that it will keep more from just jumping on and clogging up the wheel. But as many have said, it's still free behind the scenes, until they decide to turn it on. We just have to be honest with them... it could take 6 months to year. But as Brad & Rich stated, the google juice is a lot stronger now than it was when I started. What a huge benefit.

 

Overall...  to Active Rain, so many names to mention....  thanks for just being their for us, for myself. Thanks for this chance to shine.. thanks for the ability to receive more business and for literally no cost at all, except for my time. Again, I don't like change all the time. But I am glad I got in the ground floor when there were only like 3,000 or 6,000 members. I wouldn't trade it for much, so thanks.

Jeff Belonger
8:32pm • #443
146,597 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Are people really complaining that they got ZERO NOTICE about something they get for free?  Really? 

Joel, you accused AR of being greedy and said, "Shame on you!".  Is that being positive? 
8:34pm • #444
999,317 Points 2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

My Howdy

there Brad and Bob

My be Y'all did not see my comment box, with the questions in it for Y'all. At less thats what I am hoping. Seen that neither of you wrote a reply back to me. But on the other hand I've ask questions on other post's like this and also never got an answer back for them.

God Bless America
8:34pm • #445
392,178 Points 11 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Thanks for the gift of free membership.  Brad, while it may be true that newbies can sign up for a free membership and comment and blog to their hearts content on member only posts,  I don't think that most newbies will understand what the the differences are and Activerain is just one of those things whose value increases exponentially with use. 

Those of us who have been here for awhile all find AR invaluable and to us the price may be worth it but if we were  newbies and couldn't participate unless we kicked in $29 amonth, how many of us would do it?
8:34pm • #446
303,792 Points 37 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I know why AR changed its business model. It's called Bandwith, Personnel, Programming, Support.

Some may not like the idea of actually paying $$$ for a commodity. But we've all been hearing how newspapers are going to take their free broadsheets and column inches and start charging for access. I may not like it. You may not like it. But remember when we actually had to pay a quarter (that's 25 cents or 2 bits) for a daily edition? A long time ago, I know.

I realize Realtors(R) are nickel and dimed to death, and this just adds another nickel and dime. But I've experienced the value of social networking. Every week I attend office meetings, only to hear the 'old model' repeated ad nauseum. NOBODY brings up blogging. I've tried but am met with indifference. I decided to take that indifference and head for hills. This is the best-kept secret alive and the marketing model of present and future.

As long as we're talking about money, my 2 cents!
8:36pm • #447
655,162 Points 44 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Called Shot Master

I am glad that I took the initiative and signed up when invited! It should be interesting if the people I invited today will join. I look forward to being a part of AR! 
8:41pm • #448
275,008 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Last month we had Brad at an Activerain Event in Omaha.  I helped organize and plan the event and I had the opportunity to see first hand the raw passion and energy Brad puts in the network!  The last time I checked nobody lists a home for free and stays in business? 

That being said, how does my photo show up on the comments?  Keep up the great work AR, I really appreciate all you folks do. 
8:41pm • #450
1 Featured Post Localism Sponsor

AR has inspired me to be an "Active" Realtor. I  can't imagine not being a part of this online commuinty.
8:43pm • #451
389,396 Points 17 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Frankly I'm shocked at some of the reactions on this post. My mouth actualy dropped open. Helllloooo, no one owes any of us anything! Sorry, but it's true. I can speak from experience that the AR guys are wonderful. They have been available when we needed them, listened to our grumblings and complainings, and remain nice. I fully expected to pay for an outside blog with/through AR....and was happy to do so. I've received more leads through my Active Rain posts than by any other strategy - including ppc.

It just feels so negative by a few of you. I've checked on some of the names, and there are blog posts there - why complain then? You're in and good to go. Why complain about a good thing?

Sorry, I had to stick up for all of the ones that work so hard....to make everyone happy and keep it "fair". It sounds as if a lot of the commenters want to run AR's business, but it is AR's after all.

Each of us can make a decision! Just like any of our other marketing tools - AR is a tool. We need to be marketing ourselves period! Okay, stepping off of my high horse now. ;-)

Pepper
8:44pm • #452
208,077 Points 6 Featured Posts

Hi Brad, I've been off of AR for a couple of days, just checked back this evening after spending all day writing an offer(yeah!).  Surprised? Yes, and no.

I realize that you guys need to make money and understand that. However, I agree with Lenn (it seems like I always agree with her) I bet you will see a big drop in people joining.

I think the $29 fee is too high. It seems we pay $30/month for everything- our website, Top Producer, the IDX, Virtual Tour. It's just one more thing. If the price were $5 or $10/ month, you guys would still make money, and more would join.  JMO
8:45pm • #453
463,869 Points 11 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Congrats to Active Rain for finally making a move like this as you deserve the new income stream for all of your hard work in the past 3+ years.

For those of you who don't know me, I was one of the first 500 members here on Active Rain.

 

YOUR ORIGINAL MORTGAGE MAN,

Nima Rezvan

Senior Loan Officer

LADD Financial

5 Sylvan Road South

Westport, CT 06880
8:46pm • #454
1,061,930 Points 156 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I know the Rain gods and company need more cash infusion, and the good news is the existing members are grandfathered in for free (for now), but the effect will slow down the new member growth. It only makes sense. FREE brings in many people, with a fee, people have to think about it vs. spending money someplace else.I think I would even be willing to pay if they ever would have a good editor interface for blog writing.
8:48pm • #455
124,049 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Wow -- this was quite a conversation.  Change is almost always hard for most of us - I know it is for me.  This change will be interesting to watch, and be a part of.  I know I have not been on AR very long --and try and read something everyday.  I've learned a lot from the members.  I like the idea that there waill always be access on the part of new members to the other members whether they pay or not.  That has been a great value for me. As always -- thanks!
8:51pm • #456
591,941 Points 22 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

This seems fair. But I feel bad for all the people who missed out on a great opportunity. But then, it's not for lack of many of us pushing them to get involved. I like the idea I saw in one of the comments, about purging all the inactive accounts.

I have to disagree with Amanda's comment though. Getting a free blog is not a big deal. I have several. And it's our content that builds the SEO for those blog sites as a whole. But it's undeniable that I've learned an incredible amount of real estate info, and about SEO, and the networking and friendships I've made are incredible. Although I can say the same for a couple of other online ventures in which I'm involved.

But I'm not going to knock a good thing. There's no denying that the contributors are the ones who made this site what it is today. But in the same respect, Active Rain gave us the platform to congregate. That's why the new system is "fair" (not one of my favorite words). It's been a mutual benefit... except for the fact that I've never liked my outside blog. It's just not aesthetically pleasing. I do send my posts to my outside blog, but I rarely look at it... because I can't figure out how to fix it >=/  and I never link to it.
8:54pm • #457

I think this is a BIG growth mistake on your part.  While I understand your need to make money, you're in for a rude awaking from the general 'aged' Realtor population that finally is starting to wake up to the technology world.

In this day and age the average Realtor is super fickle about spending money, especially for personal marketing. I can use Coldwell Banker as a perfect example of just how stubborn agents are when it comes to costs.  Coldwell Banker charges $99/YEAR....A YEAR...to get yourself a profile page on the national website of COLDWELLBANKER.COM. Ya know, your mugshot, your credentials, special treatment for your leads, etc. Yet, in our own company, more than 75% of our agents REFUSE to get one.  I could literally put a GUN to their head and they would just yawn and say, NO.

99$ A YEAR...TO BE ON YOUR OWN NATIONAL COMPANY WEBSITE!  While I think Coldwell Banker is crazy to charge this, they do.   What is the result?  TONS of offices have BLANK PHOTOS of their agent rosters.  Pages and Pages of blank agents.

Asking people to fork over 30 bucks A MONTH to HOPEFULLY generate business from their blogging is going to produce very little paying memberships.  Sure some will sign up...but with only 135,000 memberships, you watch...that number may still grow, but I would be hard pressed to see exactly how many actually fork over cash for a HOPE.  And that's exactly what you are offering...29 bucks to post your blogs to areas where the passing consumer MAY see you and then MAY contact you.

I love your website guys, always promoted it, had classes at our company, but now...I know exactly what is going to happen with our agents when I state the benefits of $29 month....and that's nothing...nothing at all.
8:56pm • #458
252,418 Points 3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

(((HUGS))) for all the hard work! (my only bone is my own bad timing...a friend I signed up asked me to help him write his first blog ---which is still a WORD doc...now I'll be in the doghouse bigtime to tell him he now has to pay...I'll have to use a great sales pitch! YIKES!)
8:58pm • #459
446,989 Points 28 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Digressing for a moment

>> Jay Thompson wrote the first post ever on ActiveRain, FYI <<

Jay Thompson, The Phoenix Real Estate Guy??!!??   That Jay??   That is way cool!!  Yay, Jay!!!
8:59pm • #460
748,941 Points 98 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

As so  many agents "retired" within the last six months resulting in referrals dropping off, I have found that without my work on ActiveRain making it possible for people to find me on their own----I wouldn't have a job.  So the fee ActiveRain is charging is dirt cheap from my perspective.
9:07pm • #461
1,215,423 Points 44 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I think this will really put the brakes on ActiveRain's growth. Yes, the AR Team should be able to monetize the site, but I'm not entirely sure this will make a significant impact. Will be interesting to see how this develops over the next few months.
9:07pm • #462
200,475 Points 57 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Dang,  439 comments and probably 50 more while I read these.  :)

Just wanted to come back and see if I had a picture yet...and say Hi to the Gang, TLW and everyone else.

Oh, and one more thing.

Ever since ActiveRain started CHARGING for stuff ... The more REALLY NEAT tools they add to the site.  They have proven themselves to be loyal to their members time and time again.

  • Listing Router
  • Outside Blogs
  • Group Blogs (which is WAY cool)
  • Localism (which I have a feeling is going to really ROCK this year)

Those are just a few.  If anyone is still upset you should just sit back and chill.  Or take Jay's advice  ;0)

Love you guys!  You are all awesome and I'm still happy that you guys did took this route!

(And I agree with @rhukill.) 

Hey, how about group blogs on Localism?  You know, getting local business together as a group?  That would be awesome!!
9:08pm • #463
106,566 Points 1 Featured Post

I think most will be hard pressed to see $29.00 a month worth of value to Active Rain.  Blogging in itself is most often a long term endeavor that only produces results after many months of work. Why would a new member want to pay monthly to compete with the competition that not only get's the service for free but has a hundred thousand or more points lead?

I see this move as a great benefit to those of us lucky enough to be "founding members".

 
9:13pm • #464
218,115 Points 4 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Profits make the business world function.  You have a great business model and I wish you the best in the future.  Hopefully this is a great business decision for you.  Time is the acid test.
9:15pm • #465
428,818 Points 77 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Congratulations to you and all Brad, this is something that has been a long time coming. We have been benefiting from all of you (AR) has provided from the beginning and now it's time for payback. Thank you again for all you have done for us and for providing a platform for "GUARANTEED" success.

Later in the rain~Deb
9:23pm • #466
115,184 Points 4 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Amanda, you are in SO much trouble for not telling me you were here.  Have you noticed that your pic and my pic and P's pic are not showing? Should we trash the place or be happy about it?

Hi Brad, Rich, Bob, OfficerX.   Guess I should write something, huh? Kinda behind a bit.
9:24pm • #467
146,597 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master
Stick around, E! TLW says there will be free popcorn. I heart free!
9:32pm • #468
106,566 Points 1 Featured Post

I will sell the rights to Jay Thompson for the first blog post on active rain if he'll buy. :-)
9:33pm • #469
188,666 Points 1 Featured Post Localism Sponsor

Ok. cool. I applaud good business decisions that make money. I love a good free economy...

Active Rain is establishing "their worth"...

I am reminded of how I used to watch my little brothers and sisters for free, UNTIL I was offered real money from the neighbor lady, then Mom and Dad had to pay up in order to compete...

If Active Rain wants to sell this platform -- big time -- they have to show that they have a money making product. Today, we as contributors are sort of "profit-sharing" as "Founders"... and that is all fine and good... but our ownership and "entitlements" may start and END exclusively with THIS Active Rain Management.

Is their any way to protect our investment of time and intellect that we have added to this company in the long term?
9:37pm • #470
552,403 Points 78 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Hey Guys,

Just wondering if some of us Founding Members could get our very own "Smite" buttons?

That would be very cool.

Also, now that you've got a stronger revenue model, maybe we'll finally be able to cash in some of those hard-earned points for some lovely door prizes!
9:37pm • #471
402,531 Points 40 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Brad...Read each and every comment (as well as the post, whoopee!).  I began to write a comment and ended up with a post.

To Roger Johnson...You wrote:

You all are singing the praises of AR, that it's well worth the cost of $29/month, but have you read the comments?  The only ones that think that it's worth that are existing members that have already seen the value of AR with monetary returns of their own.  Heck, look at how many comments are "glad you're finally charging.  Glad I don't have to pay."  Translated, I wouldn't be here if you were going to start charging me.  If the majority of the existing membership doesn't get it, how do plan on selling it to new members that haven't already been emersed in it?

I can only answer for one person and that person is me.  I would pay if I had to.  I do pay each and every month for other features that AR has offered each of us and it is much more than $29.00.  Some people will see the value, others will not.  That is always true. AR is worth every penny (dollar) I give pay them for services rendered.  If that sounds like a business arrangement, it is.

Kate
9:39pm • #472
552,403 Points 78 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

By the way, I'm glad that you folks instituted this new membership plan and continued your capitalistic, enterpreneurial spirit, rather than applying to the Feds for a bailout in the stimulus package that the President plans to sign tomorrow.
9:40pm • #473

Glad I started when I did. Having to pay $30.00 per month would probably prevent me from joining if I wanted to post my blogs outside Members Only.
9:40pm • #474
142,654 Points 2 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp

To many of us this is an invaluable resourse.  But Lynn Harley has a good point...I have invited many and been very excited, but had a had time getting them to participate.  There will be some willing to pay, but how many?  Only time will tell.  It will stop lots of the dead wood I think.
9:42pm • #475
160,084 Points Outside Blog Hit Router

Brad, I don't know how you can't run without money so, I took a outside blog and a localism town.

I think though you should of auction the localism towns and raised more money on the high demand towns. You could of had a lower base price to start and sold more towns. It may have raised a lot more money. I also must say, growth costs money to supply all the service. You needed to do something.

Good Luck!

Richard
9:47pm • #476
178,768 Points 20 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

I am in.  I have always been up for the new stuff you are promoting.  I waste more than $29.00 a month on other "marketing".  I will just cut those out and be on my way.  Look, I am a real estate agent that sells, I don't know about all this SEO stuff.  I am happy that you all have done that for me.  There is definitely value in what you all have created here. 
9:47pm • #477
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Yikes, just invited a friend last week, told her it was free, and she was planning on signing up this week.  This stinks for her.  She was/is really excited, just couldn't do it last week.
9:58pm • #479
686,294 Points 83 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

In a day and age where people (especially those in the real estate industry) are counting their dollars and cents, it's an odd time to try to charge for something.  I know I'm cutting way back on my advertising dollars -- thankfully I was with AR for a while.  I'm cutting out HomePain, and other sites that seem to offer less bang for my buck.  I have always been amused to sign on (now a daily practice) to see the member numbers increase . . . even by 1,000 per day.  I'll do my non-scientific study and see what they will be tomorrow.  Even with the FREE membership that AR is offering, people get jittery, more so now then ever, with the mention of a membership fee.  Even if it's free, I'm wondering if people will sign up?  I've never had a serious buyer from AR, but I still love the site, and the wealth of information (the good, the bad and the ugly) offered by fellow AR bloggers. 
10:00pm • #480

Feel free to send a % of the profits directly to my office, do not pass go, do not collect $200... lol..

Sounds like a plan... Good luck 2 U.

Sean
10:09pm • #482
393,096 Points 42 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Can someone with an grandfathered account sell it to someone else?  I'm sure there are a lot of people who have an ActiveRain account who posted once or twice and never again.  Could a new person take over their free grandfathered account? If so, will we maybe begin to see ActiveRain accounts being sold on Ebay?

I've always been grateful for what ActiveRain has provided for free.   I wonder how many current members would pay $29/month?  I would wager that there would be about 5000 current members who would pay.  It will be interesting to see how many new people pay.

I think that most people who have a clue about blogging and SEO and recognize the value, already have an ActiveRain account.  I had a tough time getting people to sign up for a free account.  I'd be surprised if more than 1000 will sign up for a paid account. 

 
10:11pm • #483
151,323 Points Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Well I've been away for a few weeks from ActiveRain and decided to catch up; lucky like most of us here I'm grandfathered in. I have learned a lot from ActiveRain, been here for almost a year. Have not blogged much but will definitely have to do it this year. I like the new look of active rain.
10:11pm • #484
200,475 Points 57 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Just wanted to say that I just got an email through ActiveRain that would pay for more than 5 years of membership.

To say its not worth it...is crazy.
10:12pm • #485

I think that is quite high to get new members, I think more lile $14.95-$19.95 at the max. Again there are literally hundreds of thousands of forums, blogs and social media websites around the world for real estate professionals to join for FREE. Now on the other hand it's very good for EXISTING members, because much less people will join if they have to pay $30 a month.
10:16pm • #486
4 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Wow! I am not for sure how I originally found AR a few months ago, but I am certainly glad I did.  I am positive that the members that have and will join will personally benefit as much as I have.   The knowledge that is shared, friendships that have been made, is worth every months $29.00. Personally, I pay a lot more than $29 for newspaper ads a month. I don't know to many businesses that can operate for Free. 

 Now can we get the Localism fixed, so State/City  photos can be uploded!

Now we can advertise AR Founding Member, that is worth $29.00 a month.  LOL

Glad I found Active Rain !
10:19pm • #487
Outside Blog

I'm glad I got going blogging when I did!  Thanks for all you guys are doing thinking ahead and getting things done right.
10:20pm • #488
125,094 Points Outside Blog

I feel sorry for the many people that I have been telling to get in to the 'RAIN and haven't so far. What a great opportunity they missed. (but it was their choice).  I feel grateful that I was invited to join when I did (Thanks Katie Van Nes!) and thank you for acknowledging the efforts of the pioneers of AR by "grandparenting" them.  My gratitude to them too, for making AR what it is today.

Now, if my picture would only show up on this post, I could finally go to bed a happy man!
10:21pm • #489

Thank you for the founding members.
10:23pm • #490
Localism Sponsor Hit Router

Thanks for the awesome opportunity to be a part of this, for once I got in on something in time. Thanks for all of your support!
10:31pm • #491
254,681 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router

i know you guys had to make money sometime but I don't think I would have paid to join originally. Now I would pay because I get the results to justify it. We already see changes and fall backs like the listing router being bid pricing. Tons of click fraud going on there. I had almost $100 in click last month and only $1.50 in credits. sorry but that didn't add up for me.
10:43pm • #492
865,261 Points 50 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp

Rich, if you are here for REtechSouth, we can talk about it...
10:44pm • #493
384,516 Points 28 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad-No need to reply to my message earlier...I just read it was 5:00 am, not 5:00 pm...ya snooze, ya loose!  Why don't people listen to me? LOL...

Amanda-I've got your staple, IN MY THUMB. OUCH. Tried fixing my Mom's jammed stapler.  Fixed it alright.  Stapled my thumb.

TLW-Pass the popcorn.  The Indians are gettin' restless in here.  Can I have extra butter?
10:49pm • #494
323,084 Points 16 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

Let me start by saying I'm exhausted and my eyes are burning from reading every one of the comments on this post.  I can't tell you what time I started, but it's now 11:35 in this part of the universe.  God, I remember when I first joined this group.  It wasn't even raining back then, more like an active drizzle, but even then there was rain on the horizon.  How excited we all got as we reached milestones that seem minuscule by today's numbers.

Well things do change and time does pass.  I see a number of my old friends responding here and it's like a warm embrace seeing them again.  Am I surprised by the change?  Not at all.  Business models have to be revised and tweaked just to stay in business.  Those of us in the real estate industry for more than a few years have had to visit new worlds just to stay ahead of the game and engage with a different demographic.

I wish you luck with your new business model though I too have some concern about its timing.  Only time will tell the viability of it as it exists, but then again if you don't like the direction it's taking, you can always take a detour.
10:49pm • #495
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Geri - I'm with you, I'm exhausted, blurry eyed, dizzy and drooling on the keyboard.  Been a very long day so I'm off to greet my pillow and call it a day.  I will be back in the morning to begin where ever the heck it was I left off. lol~ 

Thanks for all these great comments, but honestly, right now, everything sounds like Charlie Browns School teacher to me.  Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah...

See ya in the morn, goodnight everyone! 

ActiveBrad has left the building...   (the door slowly eeeks closed.......)
10:56pm • #496

One thing this tells the AR staff and community is that people have some PASSION for ActiveRain!  Whatever thier opinion may be, they take notice.  The worst reaction to this news would be the sound of crickets!! 

I still think a little notice-- especially this close to REBar Camp where so many of us suddenly became AR evangelists-- woulda been nice. I hate having just extoled the free features and benefits of AR to the people in my office over the weekend, only to have it be a different story on Monday morning!

 

 
10:58pm • #497
406,096 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I have been so busy the last couple of days that I haven't had time to read all the comments - but I do feel like one of the cool kids! I do thank AR for all it has done for me and I am very thankful!

I sure hope my picture shows up :)
11:03pm • #498

Active Rain... thank you so much for the free membership!  I am excited about the change and eager to see what happens.  You guys provide an incredible service and... yes, I would most likely pay to be a member.  Great job!
11:12pm • #499
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

....Brad is back but sleep walking blogging. lol~

Pictures In Comments and Badges

 

How do you get your pictures to show up in the comments and why do other members have their pictures already showing up in the comments of Blog posts?  Here's how it works:

Any member of ActiveRain who has invested in an Outside Blog, A Listing Router Campaign, or Sponsored a Localism Community will automatically have their Badge/Photo show up in the comments. 

We are still working on moving over all members from the Localism Sponsorships and Listing Router Campaigns. There may still be some that aren't showing up who have ActiveBlogs as well. 

We should have these all merged over in the next day or so. 

So how do you get your photo to show up in the comments of someones Blog post?  Now you know....
11:13pm • #500
557,279 Points 38 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Very cool. Was wondering about that. Thank you for answering. :-)
11:19pm • #501
324,532 Points

Brad-W O W! Thanks for letting us all know about this update.  Still a bargain at $29
11:24pm • #502
497,545 Points 103 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Well, at least AR had one day off from people complaining about the points system! :)  Why is it the people who were given the goodies are complaining about it?  If anyone should be complaining it is the idiots that didn't listen to the founding members and do what they said.  I am not losing sleep over it, AR is doing whats best for them.

btw, with AR starting to bring in all this income, can I apply for a job? :D  hehehehe
11:27pm • #503
999,317 Points 2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

My Howdy

there Brad and Bob

Seen that it's way after 5:00 A.M. right now. And that I just found out about all this, and did not get to write a post and get it posted today. Does that mean that I'm not a founder?

The ActiveRain Founder Accounts - is it the blogging area we have now, or is it another area of the community?

There are so many comments up above that I did not read each one of them. If Y'all answer these questions for other members, I'm sorry for asken them agin. But if Y'all would be kind to answer them for me. This old war horse, sure would appreciate it.

God Bless America
11:31pm • #504
Localism Sponsor

Can't say that I disagree with the logic behind the move. Though, if I hadn't FINALLY started blogging about a month ago, I might feel otherwise (I'd been a member since Aug. 07 but waited to start blogging on AR until this January). Obviously a lot of thought went into this...and it's nice that you grandfathered in those who got on board before today. 

 

- Rod
11:33pm • #505
326,976 Points 61 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I like soap.  It makes me clean and smells nice.
11:33pm • #506
1 Featured Post Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

OK so I've spent an entire day reading through roughly 450 comments before I started writing this and while I admit that I skipped a few here and there where I felt I was hearing the same exact thing... holy cow man what a full day project!

I'm thrilled that ActiveRain is taking steps to protect the financial stability of this sprawling community that has both been a source of information, entertainment and relationship building for several years now.

I'm dissapointed that some of my... many of my clients will have to pay to receive the same benefits they could have been getting if they would have just paid attention to my possibly numerous e-mails about ActiveRain over the last three years.  This is to no fault of ActiveRain though; it is purely the fault of those who kept putting things off time and time again.

I'll say this, I absolutely love the community and ActiveRain.  I've always been an avid supporter and even more so due to recent one on one conversations with Bob Anderson when the Group Blogs came out.  If I lived in the area and knew I could be an asset to the company I'd be pounding down their door asking them to hire me simply because I too, as with MANY of us, believe in this community, this company and the people who make it up.

@Brad Andersohn,

You said, "As far as purging these members, we want them to still have the option to remain members here and if they haven't or won't post anything, I hardly see them taking up space or hurting the network just by being here."

I almost thought about e-mailing you but recalled you mentioning you had already received 300 + e-mails. I do have one thing you can run by your SEO people that could be a damned good reason for you to remove inactive members...

Let's assume that 30% of the current 135,000 members are inactive. They've created a profile and have never contributed to it since. If you were to remove 40,500 member profiles this would remove that many and more pages that Google and other search engines are crawling and indexing. These mostly empty pages being removed could indeed further improve the already existing quality that AR has which would be even more rewarding for those members that are active.

I don't think you needlessly need to purge these members but i'm sure your tallented programming team can rig up a script that appends a nofollow to a profile link on your state, county and city pages whenever someone is inactive (no posts) for three months time. Then when they contribute again the script would remove the nofollow until once again needed.

- John F. Jones III
11:35pm • #507
319,750 Points 8 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

1/31/07 --- I had to look up when I posted for the first time to Active Rain.... since then..... I love Active Rain - I can always go here to find answers, would I pay for it if I had been new to blogging -- I can't answer that.   I would however encourage new people to pay the price, if they USE Active Rain it'll be worth the money.

Now to call Brad tomorrow - to find out how to fix my Outside Blog -- I've got the wrong URL -- and I can't change the font anymore...... oh well, just one more thing to do.

Brad - you work too hard--- go to bed.

 
11:38pm • #508
177,495 Points 6 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Hit Router

When can I purchase stock?
11:46pm • #509
557,279 Points 38 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

This post really fascinates me. My B-switch has been flickering on and off all night (LOL). :-)
11:50pm • #510
384,516 Points 28 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

@Erik  GREAT idea!  I want stock also.  I also want my buttered popcorn...TLW???  Amanda: got a bandaid?  Just pulled the staple out. 
11:55pm • #511
FEB
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2009
776,999 Points 53 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Brad and Rich:  Someone said you guys are on a roll.  Not knowing all of your "religious persuasions"... I would add that some of you may be on a bagel.

Be that as it may... now let's get to this "Grandfather'd" thing.  We threw out grandfather years ago.  Yeah... we got rid of him.  So... any chance some of us could be "Grand-Mothered" instead ?  :)
12:09am • #512
2 Featured Posts

I agree with several other folks that non-publishing accounts should be purged first.  Glad I signed up when I did!

Maryellen
12:50am • #513
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jeremy - I thought it was just me but I was kinda wondering the same thing?  I thought for sure I was missing something here, but after a long day of trying to explain much of this, I really started seeing double this evening so I have to call it quits for the day. 

As you know, with all things on AR, the first day of a new change always brings out the heartfelt mixed emotions of such a fantastic and diverse community.  This is just another facet of AR that really makes this network so great.  The freedom to express comments, ideas, suggestions, and opinions.

Coming back to this post in a year from now is what I look forward to most!  (wink)  At least I know we'll be here....that's what I'd hope our members would appreciate, understand, and support. 

It's nice that many do. Thanks. :-)
12:53am • #514
557,279 Points 38 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

You are welcome, sweetie.

As to the purging of accounts. They do not belong to us, they belong to the individuals who created them. Those people should be given the choice of what they want to do with their information and when they want to blog and comment. I noticed quite a few people who do not write posts but just comment. If that's what makes them happy... oh well.
1:14am • #515
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Dale - you're a founder.  :-)
1:16am • #516
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

John - I am no SEO expert but you bring up some interesting points that I know are getting viewed by everyone on our staff so thanks for taking the time and energy to do that, I sure appreciate it.  
1:28am • #517
306,139 Points 17 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Called Shot Master

My only complaint here is against myself for making a comment this morning and checking the comment notification box before I went out to show property to someone who called me yesterday from my AR blog.

Amongst the 400+ email notification of comments that I saw when I got home was an email from someone in Saudi Arabia who has been reading my blog and will be in town and wants an appointment to look at 2nd homes in March.

Also within those 400+ emails were 2 more MLS requests, hmmm.... listing router, don't tell my competitors.

And I post kinda randomly.  :)

So what do we learn from this?

1)  Don't ever check the comment notifier box

2)  Give up a month's supply of MacDonald's cookies or whatever you need to do to come up with $29

3)  Everybody is staring at JL Boney

 
1:28am • #518
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I will get to as many of these comments as I can again in the morning... thanks for commenting and for your patience in my responses...  goodnight.  :-))
1:30am • #519
1,253,870 Points 242 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad, Rich and Bob and the rest of the gang! It is about time you started charging!

This is a business and while you are the most awesome caring and giving people I have ever met in any Real Estate network you can not make a living or turn a profit on sweet smiles alone!

I am of course so happy to be grandfathered in.

And like you said, this is the part that I don't get that whiners don't get- it is still free! And with most people who come on this platform- they are using if to connect with other agents and those within their peer groups and also to learn, that is all still free.

Now, if you want to play in the consumer part you have to pay.

YOu will alway pay to play, either with your money or with your time.

Sorry to be so blunt and sound so crass but if you can not afford $29 bucks a month in order to get 50 listings a year than you have no business being in the business of real estate.

Those of you complaining that you are broke- well- that is not the fault of ACTIVE RAIN! That is your own fault because there is always a way if there is a will. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. There is no excuse to not have made money from Active Rains google juice.

One buyer should certainly be netting you more than $360 for a years membership to access the google juice that AR gives you. One listing should net you more than that and if it is not then again, you are in the wrong business.

I just don't get it. This entitlement stuff has got to stop. Joel, what socialist planet did you drop in from with your comment? Now maybe you should call your Senators and tell them to CAP Active Rain's so called greed at let's say $ 9 per month, spoken  like a true comrade!

How dare anyone call any of these AR team players greedy! Brad has stayed on the phone with me for over 4 hours on a tech issue. He did not have to do that! I have spent countless hours on the phone with Bob Stewart who did not owe me a moment of his time. He could have told me, this is a free network, go figure things out yourself. How dare you call this company greedy!   I am totally p^%#$ at that comment.

Katerina

 
1:47am • #520
3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Many members of the AR community have built this site into what it is today without a doubt and for that they should all be commended!  The reality is that Aciverain is still a business and one that has to execute plans for it's success that is based on a business model.  By charging newer members a fee for an already established network site is very reasonable and will ensure their future participation.  Thanks for the heads up Brad and take care!
1:49am • #521
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

WOAH!!  I heard a ruckus, it woke me up so I came running out here...  Oh, it was Katerina!!  (Big Smile)

Thanks Katerina - there's not much I can add or say to that, so I'm going back to bed.  I love how you hold back and pull those subtle punches, just take a couple aspirin and call me in the morning ok?? lol~  g'night.
2:03am • #522
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

fyi: For those saying Brad's post was made after the 5:00 effective date, not true, brad's post was made well before 5:00 a.m, we should know as we were first to comment. We believe it was about 12:30 a.m (PT) at the time. 

and it seems pretty obvious why no announcement was made ahead of time. you'd have all those inactives putting up 1 blog post just to become founding members. 

brad, get some sleep dude :) you deserve it!
2:18am • #523
Localism Sponsor

There seems to be confusion and I must say I as well am not 100% sure how this effects existing members.  It is repeated a few times..."Again, nothing changes for our existing Active AR members."


Then at the same time it states..."ALL Outside Blogs will now have the ability to add multiple users/authors.  The pricing will only be $19 per month for existing AR members going forward."

What is the final word on this.  I would hope that the exisiting members that have built up the brand with all the efforts put in will be rewarded.  There are several mixed comments not quite understanding whether existing members will be asked to pay from here out if they have currently been blogging.

Please let me now
2:34am • #524
1 Featured Post Outside Blog

I LOVE AR and I LOVE the AR crew but I believe there are other ways to generate money. Did you notice all of the people who said "Thank God I am already a member"?  This tells me that they would not be willing to pay the $30 per month. I know that I would not give AR a chance if someone invited me to join if it wasnt free.  

 I know the AR crew has worked their tails off to put out a super product but there are many sites out there that offer great products and dont charge their users. IE: Facebook, Google, etc. Everything I read about these companies tell me they are doing very well in the money department. I am confident that the crew at AR will use their incredible minds and figure a way to continue providing a  GREAT product at the best value for their users, and that value is FREE. I REALLY hope this works out for you but I am not holding my breath.

  I am happy, lucky and relieved that I am already a member and I dont have to pay the monthly.

  Brad, It was nice meeting you at REBar Camp Seattle.

 Take care AR and GOOD LUCK

 Greg
2:40am • #525

Holy cow Brad! I really picked the wrong "one last blog for the night"! I meant to go to bed about two hours ago! I have mixed emotions about this but in the end, it doesn't matter since a) I have no god-like powers here and b) I am grandfathered in so it doesn't change my membership. A BIG THANK YOU TO AR FOR THAT!

I think the price may be too high but time will tell. It would be interesting to know how many paid vs. free memberships were opened today. Personally, I didn't start blogging until I had been here for over ten months and I am still nervous and uncertain about doing it (though my goal is to do more this year). I can see why some people may have joined within the last few months and not blogged. I have however, earned almost 14,000 points by commenting and feel that I have contributed to discussions. Maybe you can look into how many points people also have if they haven't blogged and they come to you for an exception as they may have contributed in other ways. I have no doubt that you will be more than fair.

I know that some people that I invited are going to wish that they had blogged or joined earlier. Bummer for them but hey, you can lead a horse to water...

Have a great night and Brad, get some sleep!
3:45am • #526

Times are a changin'....it's undeniable.....
4:34am • #527
460,897 Points 29 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

The lengths that some A/R staff will go to in order to get the most comments ever on a post!   :-)

I think I may have figured out the mystery of the pictures appearing in comments .... does it mean you have paid for an Outside Blog?  Am I correct?  Or is there some other secret reason?
4:58am • #528
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Maureen: 

How to Get a VIP Badge
5:18am • #529
133,045 Points 1 Featured Post Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I understand the new model. I think it will be interesting to see how the network continues to grow now that new members will have to pay a monthly fee for the full benefit.  It is very easy to see the value once you are on the network but with so many free blogging solutions out there some might think it is not worth the small investment.  Lets see how it goes I am sure you guys will be watching both the network growth and the bottom line.

BTW -Thanks for grandfathering us "old timers" in without a monthly fee.
5:25am • #530
446,989 Points 28 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Wearing my Broker/Owner hat for a moment, here:

A broker/office owner could easily offer to pay for a new agent's first couple years of AR.....  Just thinkin' out loud here
6:05am • #531
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Bingo Cheryl...

THAT has value and would be a great recruiting tool. Boy do I love it when you think out loud :)

TLW...ROAR!
6:09am • #532
450,896 Points 2 Featured Posts

I guess alot of other online social networking orgs will be waiting and watching to see how this goes
6:09am • #533
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jonathan...

Are you going to do a post that contains a Q&A in relation to The New Membership Plan? I'm thinking how great it would be to have all the answers to all of these questions on one post.

TLW...ROAR!
6:12am • #534

I think our membership went up by 300 members yesterday!

Kathy CArson
6:19am • #535
425,050 Points Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Brad, I think it is very fair deal for the newbie to pick up and help out. I am grandfather in but I did expect to pay something ($10 a month), but a deal as always been here on AR. I have learned so much in the last two years on AR. My business has grown and in my pipeline the future is great. I have client I am working with and closing since here on AR. The experience and learning shared here is well worth the price. Now with a little funding coming in no telling what ya'll can do with this site. Good Luck, our future just got a little brighter.
6:59am • #536
200,475 Points 57 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

The party is still going? Wow! 

Brad, Thanks for the updates on the badges, etc.

 

 
7:04am • #537

Speechless in South Carolina
7:26am • #538

I don't know if I qualify for being a member that can have the advantages of those who have contributed to this network in the early stages.  I do need to express my sincere regret that I have not been able to blog at the lengths and quantity that most of my fellow Realtors were privileged to submit.  This being a mixture of time restraints and health issues.  Even though I have only created one blog and have commented on a few, I had hoped to be an active member of the community when all had cleared.  I explain this because of those who feel there are inactive members who should be dropped.  Please know that a good many of the blogs are read even though some may not have a response.  I look forward to giving my best at whatever cost in the future.  Thanks from someone you have not heard from for a while

Ann Gravel, Pat Bennett Realty, Plaistow, NH
7:33am • #539
2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Hit Router

I think when I went to bed last night this post had 376 comments and it was too much for me to process so I thought I'd re-read it in the AM when I was "fresh" - - I have been reading the comments (now 512) for almost 2 hours.

My first reaction last night was, "First DTV and now the Rain!"

I am relatively new to AR - started Oct 2008.  Took me a couple weeks to gain the confidence to do my first post.  I've had a feature. I've learned so much from the networking portion of the program.  It wasn't even obvious to me about the consumer portion in the beginning.  Just yesterday, I figured out how to post photos on Localism - I added a few for a town that had none.  I also set up a couple listing router campaigns - I think I got myself charged for a click - oh, well.  When I search for stuff on Yahoo, I come up because of Active Rain.  Now, reading all (well, most of) these comments, I understand.  Even though I can't directly trace any cash I've earned directly to AR, I believe it will come if I do the work.  I pick away at writing posts as I have the time - - not sure how others have so much time to write, or write so quickly - - that's just me.  I spend time reading posts and commenting.  I try to make my blog page interesting and show my personality and my voice.

The FREE PORTION OF AR WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE TREMENDOUS VALUE!  I can't believe the AR people have had to REPEAT that so many times. 

GO AHEAD, CREATE A NEW ACCOUNT TODAY - - YOU WILL BE AMAZED WITH THE RAIN THAT IS STILL FREE.

 
7:36am • #540
145,354 Points 2 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

I feel blessed that I made the plunge into ActiveRain in August of 2008. The morning jump start reading all of my favorite bloggers is worth the time spent. The founding fathers have given us a common ground to explore our concerns and offer advice to each other. I thank AR from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for allowing the "old" members to stay on without pay. I truly appreciate all of your efforts to keep this forum up to date!
7:43am • #541

I love Active Rain!  I am not surprised that now there will be a fee, however, I don't think others I invited are going to be so excited to join anymore.  I am still going to encourage them, and hopefully they will continue to see the value in Active Rain.
Valerie Almanzar
8:11am • #542
Outside Blog

Brad

My earlier comment was made after reading a few responses towards purging and my protective nature towards my fellow agent's deep pockets. 

I do appreciate all that AR has done for the RE community and think that you should have the right to make money.  The services you provide are valuable and worth the cost for those agents coming on board in the future.

I liked your response to purging members, but have to agree that if it were to help your SEO and bandwidth, then you would have every right to do so.

Some of us do not post every day or even every year, but we do read and comment.  I have read some great posts over the years and some really silly ones. My posts have been limited to the times I have something to say.

 An upgraded blog to get the SEO is worth the $360.

Thanks again for keeping the basic free and allowing the old timers founder status. Do I qualify?
8:18am • #543
225,175 Points Hit Router

Like most are saying, it is an interesting move and we'll have to wait and see what happens.  BUT, I feel the price is way to high.  Point 2 only charges 9.95 for the basic membership and it that has driven people away.  I hope it works out!
8:32am • #544
112,047 Points 2 Featured Posts

There is one certainly in life and the internet, which is the fact that change is inevitable. Congrats to AR for continuning to monitize your business. I know that Matt, Jon, and the rest of crew have poured everything into this over the last few years.
8:55am • #545

Since I've joined AR, I have gained valuable insight that I would never have learned from a competting agent in my area or even my office.  And now I'm #1 in my county on AR.  I appreciate the cooperation that AR agents offer.  Thank you Brad for keeping active users still Free.  We need AR.
9:06am • #546

This will be interesting to watch.  I absolutely love ActiveRain and have been a member for a long time.  But in the current economy, $29.95 monthly is just too high IMHO.
Peggy Edwards
9:09am • #547

Sounds interesting!!! Keep us posted as to how the changes work out.  I am just glad I am one of those that will not have to pay for a change!
Debbie Starnes
9:35am • #548
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I rarely differ with Lenn Harley on issues like this, but I think that even the mortgagte brokers wont need to pay, as they will be pleased with just the free level of service, since they would only be marketing to Members, and the Free service would be Members Only... I know that there are many who would not pay for the blog because there are so many alternatives for free...

I think a model more like FaceBook or some such, which I know is not profitable wither at present, might be wiser...

 

In any event, I am glad to continue as I have been...
9:37am • #549

It's been said above already, but I reiterate that timing is everything.  As a new member I am really glad I immediately saw the benefit of this great network and blogged away!
Renée Hoover
9:58am • #550
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I suppose I should get at least one comment in on this monstrosity of a post. I just got back last night from a weekend in the PA mountains with the family - lots going on here!

I have been an apologetic evangelist for Activerain ever since I joined in April 2007.  I'm only sorry I wasted 6 months on another blog platform when all the while AR was up and running!

  1. I think that those who accuse the staff at AR of being greedy need to have their heads examined!  It's a top-notch team of visionaries who are true leaders in our industry.  I feel lucky to have gotten to ride shotgun with them for almost 2 years...
  2. There's no basis for comparison to Point2.  P2 is not and never will be an effective "network", and their blogging tools are clunky at best.  I could go on about them but I would digress.
  3. I'm in favor of working a purge for non-contributing "founding" members, or at least a suppression from visibility until they are posting at some minimum level such as once per month.  Less dead wood clogging the consumer's experience. If they decide to contribute at some point, give them a discount for the "placeholder" profiles that got grandfathered but not free...

I will continue to recommend Activerain as the blogging venue of choice for new agents I have influence over.  There's simply NO substitute!
10:20am • #551
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Good Morning, Brad! Hope you slept well. Didn't Virginia Hepp crack you up?

Day 2. :)
10:25am • #552

In these challenging economic times for Realtors this is NOT the time to start charging.  Especially $30 PER MONTH.   This industry is constantly finding new things to charge for - $20 here, $30 there and before you know it your 'insignificant costs' per month become outrageous.  I have been actively evaluating each and every per month charge and have found it is really amazing how much I have cut out with no change to my business level.  In good economic times I got pretty extravagant with signing up for things that 'looked good'.

I like Active Rain, and I know I have not used it to its fullest potential, however, there are only so many hours in a day to sit on the computer. 

Marcy Spieker
Marcy Spieker
11:34am • #553

Hi, Brad

 

Moving to tthe next level requires some risk taking, and it appears to me that you have minimizwed yours as much as possible. Congratulations.

Some will leave. There have been comments referencing Point2 and their losing of some formerly free clients (in fact, they left all original free clients that way; it's only after six months that new clients must pay). People must face the facts: 80% of the business is done by 20% of all agents. Just as you have 20% active posters, so that ratio holds true everywhere. It's not numbers, it's network, and what good is a network pumping up numbers with people who don't network?

Stick to what you are doing, don't nickel and ime folks, and you'll soon have doubled the client base, but as these new folks will be paying, they'll also be more highly committed, in my opinion.

Anyone who would leave for the reasonable price you are charging isn't a serious agent, anyway.
11:36am • #554
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So what's to prevent me from putting my own picture on here or maybe I shouldn't ask that
11:56am • #555

Wow, interesting concept. So am I "grandmothered in"?
12:33pm • #556
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Brad,

I read about half of the comments!!! Almost every commenter had something important to add...that's what makes AR so great...we are greater than the sum of our parts...!!!

I thought it would be great if AR would continue to be free...!!! It's a shame that the industry Franchises such as Century 21, ReMax, Keller Williams, Long & Foster, Prudential, etc, and even NAR, couldn't see the value of AR and support it financially and voluntarily to keep it running without ads or member financing...!! Just one little old grateful title guy voicing an opinion...!!! Think about it!!! Like having a major league ball park sponsored in your name...What PR...!!

Thanks,   Fran

 
1:52pm • #557
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     Definitely two major schools of thought and how opposing views are handled surprises me.  Belittling those that think it is expensive, out of the blue or just needing more information on why it is warranted and the timing is not called for. Others wonder what is the other shoe about to drop cost wise that may be just ahead.  Just pay it and don't question such a small amount is not how we are built. We are cost concious, business people evaluating a service...one of many out there today. 

     Folks already members but not blogging, off with their heads and purge them sentiment. Non issue. They are not tying up gobs of server space. Good thing there is not a basket of hand sized rocks to use on those no good slackers lacking literary talent or are slothfully devoid of ambition. Or something in their personal life is keeping them from the marathon (i.e one member I know that is struggling with cancer is not having blogging on AR as a priority right now).  

     AR headquarters doing a tag team of "how ridiculous" someone's comment was.  "If you're broke and can't afford $19, $29, whatever for your business, time to get another job".  Ouch. These bloggers are thinking out loud on the real value after a test drive of AR and considering other opinions, other options.  Many spend 24/7 in operation survival, not because they are not good brokers but they may have expanded the wrong time, have personal obligations (kids in college, etc) and just trying to justify the expense that was not there before. It is just coming to grips with the turn of events. Many of us in here remember the early 80's and are braced fr the long haul. To say if $19 makes or breaks you, leave is missing the point. Not much to you but the rural small town brokers are not drinking 8 dollar designer coffees...many are mom and pop operations running things close to the chest with small profits and growing overheads. These savvy folks have been thru all the bad real estate weather and have belt tightened before.  They don't just give their credit number out without a thought of what they are buying. To think they don't see AR at this time as a justified expense does not make them bad people, or disloyal.  Not sinister people but concerned and we need great PR and sensitivity toward  them to respect them and their contributions at this family pow wow.  Most relationship sever from lack of being appreciated and these members need and deserve the same respect for speaking up and even disagreeing with this AR new policy.

    The picture awhile back of the new glass AR Headquarters also cut across the grain for many during a time that they are weathering for a storm in the real estate trenches where they live. Saw one comment indicating they did not expect an office over a crack house in a slum location but the ivory tower of glass was hard to swallow and excitement over corporate headquarters was not shared by all. Service not overhead sells. We all are living within our means and making a game of it, sharing what we know and where we can save money. Do notjust dismiss these concerns as wrong, short sighted or suggestions that "it's only $29" and to give up HBO" questions their business skills. Maybe they don't have HBO or are living within their means and that is why they question every purchase that is another on going monthly expense. It's not the cost as much as weighing the gain. We get landslided with nickel and dime and necessary monthly expenses. One more at this time of cutting back was poor timing. It is their opinion, they are bloggers and express their sentiments. No reason to get annoyed.  This is all brand new to most although many repeat commenters praising AR  say no surprised and knew it was coming all along. Did they? Division is expected, but healing, even tongued communication and discussion  is key to growth and understanding.

     You have 130,000 members on the boat. If you cast off the dead beats as they are labeled by some, monetize to the point of losing major contributors with the myriad of other options taking all we've learned in here with us. And if you get negative press from the pirates jumping ship to swim ashore...AR could become an elite country club of narrow view points much like a holier than thou congregation who spends Sunday's praying for the heathens not attending service and praising themselves for their perfection. It becomes a lonely group. I worked too hard like many that have tons of sweat, effort and local pride in this site to just watch it happen. It's okay to speak up in America and all of us have to respect this brainstorming that helps shape the direction AR is drifting. But the members who write the blogs need to feel they have a role/guidance in the vision of AR.  AR officers, who do you work for and is there a good taste in most people's mouths at the end of the day? 

     When you think of all the links back to AR post from all the other social media sites, real estate websites, other blogs we gave, etc from the bloggers themselves. And consier all the content that many of these boggers created with hard work, long hours, careful linkage and the best local information they could create...I don't think AR realizes it needs the troops more than the troops need AR. To say a stand alone blog worked on, added to and with SEO attention we already do on our websites, other blogs, videos, podcasts, etc that that would be lost at sea for 3 years and not come up on search engine radar is false. Apply greater sensitivity to members, give them more credit and be patient when they have concerns. Give us a steady clear consistent diet of policy statements without confusion and too many cooks adding their perception and then back peddling or referring to another officer to explain.  Divvy up the duties but all should have the same schematic in their head. One press secretary.  Sell us on the idea, shake the bugs out of this concept before implementing it and take your lead from the membership. They are all bright, sharp, and can help come on board feeling their thoughts are valuable, implemented.  The hit or miss information as this process was evolving hurt.  The timing could have been better and a whole new direction could have been taken. I.E.  We know you guys in the real estate fox holes are working harder than ever and the last thing you need now is anothr expense. So we are going to rein it in, contain costs and get thru this together living off the ad revenue from impressions sold to vendors already on the site.  If you are thinking we want to be the next realtor.com but with a strong real estate blogging on the local level component, say so. What is up, what is in the cards and let us, the troops help guide it before you implement somehing that hurts the company. Bold move or poor timing. Provocative measure when others are reining in or dynamic. How many members come on board and growth will be the proof in the pudding on this one. I'm sensing the need to create cash quickly and if times are so tough for the country, how solvent is AR from all the outside articles about the shape of internal affairs?

    This entry will generate a rush of comment I am sure.  We all care about and have a stake in the AR family. Reread down through these many comments above and to follow with an open mind. Consider the people you respect making them. Rather than polarizing and creating factions, realize we are all in the boat and it would be a tragedy to lose good quality local bloggers from hurt feelings and misunderstandings. We are all business people right? Tough skinned, tender hearted? Had to post after processing the notes sounded before this comment from this blog.  Hope I still get Christmas cards from everyone. (-,,@)
2:01pm • #558
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I must admit I'm with Andrew on some of his observations.  I found it nothing short of insulting to have some people on here casting epithets on an audience about whom they have little or no knowledge.  Times are very tough for many in this business today.  I've lived through 22 years in it and have never encountered as challenging a market.  Money is tight for many, for reasons you may or may not understand and they might or might not care to share.  Don't be so quick to think you have all the answers.  The longer you live, the more you realize you don't.
2:21pm • #559
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Not sure how I feel. I do know that things have been changing for a while. It was hard to convince people to sign up for free so now, I am not sure how that will go. I did sign up for $19 outside blog because I saw that my direct AR feed wasn't working on Facebook and some other places.  Will there be a HELP area now? I am paying for outside blog and localism. I understand that AR needs to make money, it's a business but now that I am paying, can I get some help? I can't get my picture to load on my outside/upgraded blog. Thanks!
2:45pm • #560
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Still free for me?  Still works for me!!!  Boy, am I glad I jumped in earlier with a blog.  I have yet to use all the features and functions but appreciate the info and google juice to date!
2:48pm • #561

Okay - I am confused - What is the difference between a blog and a blog post?  thanks for your help.

deb
3:09pm • #562

Okay - I am confused - What is the difference between a blog and a blog post?  thanks for your help.

deb
3:10pm • #563
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Andrew:    I agree that there is no need for 'belittling' others to prove your point. We're a passionate bunch with strong convictions. I'm not seeing any AR HQ Tag Teams labeling anyone as being ridiculous though. We have opinions just like everyone else. And most of us come from a background in RE so we have some basic understanding of what things are like in today's challenging market.

We're very fortunate to be using space provided to us my our minority investor. It's a real bargain, and helps to keep our costs down.

One of the hallmarks of our Network has been the sensitivity and appreciaton AR management has vested in their members. We truly recognize the value your contributions have made, and the unique collaborative nature of this platform that allows us all to succeed.

"AR officers, who do you work for and is there a good taste in most people's mouths at the end of the day?"

Our passion has been and always will be to provide a network of value and benefit to our members. At the end of the day, I think most of our community recognizes that and faithfully supports our efforts.

3:18pm • #565
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The response to our new "RainMaker" membership has clearly been a good one and we truly appreciate the time and effort many of you have invested here sharing your comments, feelings, concerns, and ideas.  Your opinions and constant support are what make the ActiveRain Network the continuously growing and thriving community that it is. 

All your thoughts are always welcomed and I sincerely appreciate both the positive support and the constructive criticisms.  We want to know what you think and how you feel, so thank you to each of you.

I don't think there has been anything left out in these comments and in many cases some issues have been brought up repeatedly.  As we move forward with our new plan (for new members only) I would only hope that you would all continue to show the same support and love to those new members that you have in the past. 

We will still have the same amount of growth if not more as people can still sign up for FREE and maybe more will now that there will be a curiosity about becoming a "rainmaker" member.  It is up to us and this great community to make sure that our new members, visitors, and guests feel welcomed here as they always have in the past. 

Regardless of the new plan, and how we all feel about it, we did have a huge number of new members sign up yesterday.  We warmly welcome them, the new AR blood.  I'm looking forward to seeing the continuation and growth of an even greater, stronger, and more flourishing network that our founding members and new members will continue to benefit from and call home. 

I really had every intention on responding back to each or your comments, but this will now be an impossible task with all the emails and calls I have received in addition to all these great comments.  I will do my best to respond to as many above as I can. Thank you for your understanding and patience.

My Blog and doors are always open to you.   :-)
3:47pm • #567
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The new sign up page is very, very nice.  Congrats who the designer.

Lenn:    You cannot discount the 'social network' aspect of this platform. That is a HUGE reason that many people frequent this site.

Mmmmm.  Sort of makes my point that folks will join the Members Only, but not become a paid subscriber.  We'll see.

If anyone has any doubts about the SEO value of ActiveRain, just have them call me.

BTY, there is a big difference in being "too cheap to pay" as I've read on many comments and not believing that the paid model at $29 a month will work.  Why do folks just have to be nasty. 

3:56pm • #569
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Lenn:    If I haven't told you lately, "I LOVE YOU!".....Happy Belated Valentine's Day!
3:59pm • #570

I just have one point to make. Activerain has been a significant part of my SEO toolkit for the past 8 months and I can directly connect 35 consumer inquiries on my IDX right back to my blog posts on activrain.Whether you use the "Rain" to connect to consumers or other real estate professionals or just use it as part of your overall marketing stratagy it is an invaluable tool. I would gladly pay to make sure the I can still use these great tools. But this came out of left field and I was surpised as some of the other commentors are. A Little warning would have been nice. Granted that I will not be paying since I blog on all 3 accounts that I have. I do coach many realtors and this place is a big part of my presentations. Maybe a pricing structure that allows users to ramp up would be better eg. $10 bucks for the first 3 months, then 20, then 30 etc..... Because it usually take a few months to see visible value it might take some of the sting off the price. Or maybe like TIVO doa lifetime meber fee ( one time Only )

Just some thoghts. I think the activerain guys are awesome.
I'm a fan
4:37pm • #571
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Anyone who has been on here for a reasonable length of time has been anticipating a move in this direction for some time now.  Paying to be on AR has been blogged about and joked about before.  If I had the time I would go back and link to some of those blogs.  Even the Great Carnac (Linda Davis) made the this one of the topics of one of her Carnac Blogs.

So the only thing that I am surprised about is that us old war horses will not be charged.  But then again, I should not be surprised, because ActiveRain has always tried to show it's appreciation for those who have been loyal to them, and this is one more example of it.

All I have to say is GOOD LUCK BOYS, you have put in a lot of work without pay, and you have well earned what ever income you will now receive.
4:37pm • #572
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Brad or Rich...in another blog entry this afternoon/evening the commenter on AR asked if it was true we have only 27,000 active bloggers of the 130,000 members. She mentioned reading an Inman's article yesterday on the AR fee charge. And there was an update on House Values having to decide whether to buy remaining shares this year, per agreement.  What is the possibility of ownership by HV? What will that mean in addition to new fees for new members?  We're all family here..what's up so we know about it not find out about in on the street which just makes for a cloak and dagger smoke and glass show? Thanks for the update!
5:07pm • #573
313,393 Points 8 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Brad,

The plan makes sense from many points of view. One of them is that newbies have to pay to reap the benefits the oldies have built in the network. That's important. This also strengthens the viability of ActiveRain.
5:08pm • #574
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Gee, go away to the casino for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose...

Well, we have to agree with those that have said that this move was foreshadowed and is in AR's best interest; however, we're not sure of the timing and the price point, and the HouseValues option to buy AR also is of some concern. But, the AR gods know better than we do what their revenue model should be to ensure continued survival. We've just celebrated our 2nd anniversary of being AR members and are thankful for all the rich content, comraderie and education we've found in the Rain.

Just 2 points we'd like to make:

1) To those who are comparing AR to Facebook, MySpace, etc: Apples and oranges, folks.

2) To the agent who stated, "...I am ditching ALL technology , even though mastering it was my goal for this year, because it sucks up so much time and gets absolutely NO results. Personal relationships are so much more valuable (at least in my market) than al of this self importance crap." WTF?!?! We recommend that you CAREFULLY reconsider that attitude before doing something so rash. If you're getting NO results from your technology, we'd submit that user error is most likely to blame. Yes, personal relationships are important and learning new tech takes time, but the returns on that time are substantial. Just like Active Rain...

All the best to Bob, Brad, Rich, Jonathan, Jeff and the rest of the AR brass in this endeavor, we hope it's a success!
5:09pm • #575

Okay - I am confused - What is the difference between a blog and a blog post?  thanks for your help.

deb
5:32pm • #576
776,999 Points 53 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Debbie:  A post... is an article you have written... an entry you make... and then place on your blog.  A blog is is a collection of posts... just as a diary or a journal is a collection of "entries."
5:37pm • #577
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Here is an oldie but a goodie from 2007 from my post.

http://activerain.com/blogsview/219356/Lets-Face-it-Folks-It-is-time-to-PAY-Activerain

Jonathan Washburn (ActiveRain Corp): Real Estate Agent in Seattle, WA

 

NO CHARGE!!!  :)

We have some great (IMHO) business models that we have put together and they don't involve charging for participation.  Frankly, I am absolutely honored that so many of you would be willing to support this network (our overhead) through your willingness to pay a subscription fee, but bottom line is that it won't happen.

For various reasons, today is a pretty busy day for me, but I will do my best to put up a blog post that talks about some of our planned revenue models. 

 

09/28/2007 04:18 PM by Jonathan Washburn (ActiveRain Corp) Delete Report as Spam
6:27pm • #579
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I would have monetized in an entirely different and Darwinian manner.  Anyone who can catch the greased chicken gets a free membership.  Those who fail must pay for their blogs and get the sh$t kicked out of them by Apollo Creed.  Your method is just so ... bourgeois. 

In the interest of full transparency, let the record reflect that my personal best in the poultry chase is 1.7 seconds.  The shotgun helped.
6:44pm • #580
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Brad - thanks to all the Founding Fathers of Active Rain for recognizing those of us who have contributed over the past years, and exempting us from the monthly fees.
6:45pm • #581
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Not sure how I feel. I do know that things have been changing for a while. It was hard to convince people to sign up for free so now, I am not sure how that will go. I did sign up for $19 outside blog because I saw that my direct AR feed wasn't working on Facebook and some other places.  Will there be a HELP area now? I am paying for outside blog and localism. I understand that AR needs to make money, it's a business but now that I am paying, can I get some help? I can't get my picture to load on my outside/upgraded blog. Thanks!

Cristal - they can still sign up for FREE.  I'm calling you now to help you with your outside Blog, hope it's not too late to call.  Thanks.  :-)
7:19pm • #582
633,702 Points 10 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Looks like I'm late to the party!  How cool to be a founding member!  I love this place!
7:26pm • #583
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Hi Brad  Oh my gosh ..somehow I happened on to this post and I am so glad I did.  The change was a surprise to me. Sometimes I get so into blogging that I miss what is going on around AR and its changes. I have read only 1/3 of the comments and will finish the rest,  my eyes are bugging out from all the reading and concentration.  I have no idea how all of you leaders are getting through all these opinions and suggestions.  What I don't understand and please with all due respect) why is it we need input on what new members need to pay and or if it should be free or whatever......I realize  we are all a part of AR and it is open and opinions are a welcome...well in my humble opinion...It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize  the value we have here on AR ( so many remarks already noted these benefits).  I feel we need to let the AR community build the community.  They haven't been wrong yet.. Again with respect to all....they are the experts as a collaborative groups...what works and what hasn't..( and when it doesn't they change  what needed changed)

I think we need to let them do their thing.....whatever...... We  continually witness new features constantly , we can see they are continually at work to make this the best Real Estate network on the Internet.  I have approached many to join, my broker, my company. Everyone needs to make the decision for themselves...they will know it time...Maybe this is the perfect time to say thanks to the community builders and all the season bloggers that go before us to inspire, educate and motivate those of us who stand in awe of what is here on Active Rain.....a simple   Thank you!!!!
7:33pm • #584
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Brad, wow, what a response, I'm tired just reading them... can't image having to respond... I knew this had to happen some day if you want to stay in business and continue to improve as you have over time...I am mad at myself that I waiting to invite the folks from my last staging class... I told them I'd send the invites when I got home but got busy this week and put off intending to do later this week... so am feeling guilty that I failed them... But that is life...  and I support your decision, I believe it is worth it, I haven't gotten any actual cash yet as a result, but am new to actual blogging and so expect I will reap future rewards...
7:38pm • #585
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June - thank you for expressing your comment in such a simple and heartfelt way.  In the best way I know how to say it, You Nailed IT!!  Thanks for your support and simple approach to understanding and supporting what we are doing to keep ActiveRain alive and here long into the future. 

The decision really is up to each new member on how they choose to utilize and engage the AR community and network tools and services available.  Thank you!!!!   :-)))
7:41pm • #586

Big change.  Should be interesting.  I'm just glad to be a founder!
9:02pm • #587
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Susie - call me about your outside Blog, I'll help you get that setup.

Victor - it's actually much more than 5%, I think it's around 20% but I may be wrong.

Margaret - the hundreds you've invited can still join for free, and now they may be even more motivated.

Cheri - it's changed my job too!  Thanks for adding me to LinkedIn or Facebook, it was one of those. lol

Randall - offering a membership with a fee won't stop people from signing up on AR for the FREE basic acct.

Dan - you are the running man, thank for laying down the track for others to run on too.

Maureen -  nothing changes for current AR members with Blogs.

Michael - let the 10 members know they can sign up still,  basic is FREE then let them decide to upgrade.

Lenn - I believe some will and some won't, just like those invited to join AR since the beginning.

Janie - that was funny, what do you think someone would pay to take over my AR Blog on eBay?  $1.00?

Cheryl - invite away like there's been no change, let those you invite decide what plan they want. 

Lisa - that won't happen here.  We may offer other services and tools for a fee as added value though.

Margaret - no 30 day trial, new members can sign up and have an unlimited trial on the "Basic" plan.  :-)

Laura - that's something we'll have to look into, I'm sure by all these comments, it will be reviewed...

Richard - as with anything ever offered on-line, some will, some won't.  At least we'll still be here for you. 

Chris & Steph - we're a community, network, and a business.  We plan to be here for you guys long term.

Mitchell - you didn't think I'd see your comment did you? I'll take care of Claudia for you my friend.  :-)
9:34pm • #588
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WOW!!!  This post really drove some traffic and visitors here according to clustermaps:

Visits today': 2,211

That's a new record for an ActiveBrad Post - thanks for making this the most ever commented post in a single day.  It made the "Most Commented" list on ActiveRain yesterday.  You guys rocked it!!!  :-))  Thanks.
9:42pm • #589
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Cheryl - I agree that sometimes advance warning is good, but in this case, how many would have just thrown up a post to get grandfathered in?  Besides, folks have had 3 years to get on board, a weather warning wouldn't have stopped the storm, and unfortunately, we can't go back and change it now.  Sorry. :-)

Leesa - quite a bit of detailed thought did go into this.  As far as the in-actives, good topic for our next staff meeting.  I know the question was asked here many times. Thanks.

Heather - thanks for recognizing that, we appreciate it.  We know how hard our members work on ActiveRain.

Debbie - "a cost to the service is necessary for the the long term health of AR"  I see it that way as well.

Gail - I see Jon already addressed your question, I think you were referring to something different.

Richard - "puts cash in the system and keeps the platform afloat is fine with me!"  This Boat WILL Float.

Carolyn - this is not like the land rush!  lol~  But that was cute, no hurries and no worries. :-))

Teri - since you've been gone, we've fixed alot of the buggies and Localism is the next big project.  I hope you'll pop in from time to time and see how we're doing, we'd love to have you back more often. Thanks for commenting, I appreciate that very much.

Paddy - "It can only mean more innovations and improvements with an extra cash flow in the stream."  You couldn't be any further from the truth with that comment.

Tim - "sometimes when you put a price on something you create perceived value."  Not sure it's perceived value that we're after, it "True-Value" we hope to continue to deliver to both Founders and New Members.

Victor - regarding Localism, that is a great question since Localism at some point will go public.  Let me look into that one, leave it to you to find a hole in the perfect storm.  That's a really great question. Thx.

Patty - you have a good point but don't forget all the other value members can still get here for free.  There is so much more than just having a blog on AR that brings our members true value and benefits.

Kathy - "In a word; "WOW." This, in my opinion, is a great move."  Thank you, will we see you in Atlanta next month at the RETechSouth?  I hope so, would love to finally meet you.

Teresa - you are a legacy member.  We should also name one of our ActiveBlog themes after you.  :-)

Russell - "All good things are worth paying for!"  You said it, but you won't have to, you're a founding member my friend.  Thanks.

Cindy - you sure got that right.  There ar groups on AR that most certainly need to be purged, but that's a job for someone who want to take the time to go through each one and figure out how to do it.  Having the staff and funds to do these types of projects will be helpful to us as a staff as well as to our members.  Good call, thanks for pointing that out. 

Bill - "I think it is a great move Brad. As I have said many times in the past it is well worth the money!"  I bet you wouldn't say that to all the networks you're on, and I know you are on a ton of them just like me, heck, you invited me to most the ones I'm on. haha.  Thanks Bill, that means alot to me.  :-)
10:24pm • #590

AR is a great site!  I haven't been on here much over the past few weeks.......been too busy!  Can you believe it?  The market must be picking up!  I have mixed feelings about the membership fees.  Membership is certainly worth $29 a month, but the economy here in Mississippi is not great and most agents wouldn't pay the fee.  We have many brokerages that are closing their doors or are merging with the big box guys to survive. I don't believe Mississippi is as tech savvy as other areas of the country and agents here don't invest the time on the internet.  Most of my buyers shop online so I disagree with their opinions.
10:33pm • #591
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Wow, lots of comments and lots of opinions.

I an glad to be "grandfathered" in and wish all the people I'd invited had been also.
11:23pm • #592
137,872 Points

wow! I am so grateful to be in!  Thanks AR for all that you do!
11:40pm • #593
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Love this quote from "Future of Real Estate Marketing's" website:

"Don't be fooled, your content is very valuable. Platforms like ActiveRain, Trulia Voices, Zillow Q&A all seek to tap this knowledge base and build massive databases which they hope to monetize. ...

....What you gain in terms of Google Juice and traffic, you lose in control. The bottom line is your content rests in someone else's hands. Now I'm not suggesting you don't participate in these sites. In fact, quite the opposite. The trade off could very well be worth it. I'm simply suggesting you think about the long term implications.  from the article "Move.com Tried to Buy Active Rain" September 2007

... I am perplexed that people are worried about whether or not someone else (not US because we are all "grandfathered") will be charged or not charged for the service... Shouldn't we all be more concerned about the future viability/SALE-ability of Active Rain and OUR content?

Wouldn't it be fitting to have an Active Rain "Board" that included a number of regular members?
11:44pm • #594
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Some related posts that are surfacing:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/938344/Is-My-Business-Worth-Investing-Seven-Dollars-A-Week-InROAR

http://activerain.com/blogsview/937515/If-I-Knew-Then-What-I-Know-Now-Active-Rain-had-me-at-Hello

http://activerain.com/blogsview/936015/Charge-to-blogPioneer-or-Squatter
12:22am • #595
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Maureen,

In order to get the full meaning from the comment I made the reader needs to understand the context of the conversations taking place on the network at the time. When it was published there was much discussion on ActiveRain that our members would invest time into the network under the premise that it was free and then once they were committed we would start charging them to continue maintaining their blog.

In my comment I made two primary statements:

1. "We have some great business models that we have put together and they don't involve charging for participation." 

This was true. We did have business models that did not involve charging for participation.  Advertising is one example.

2. "Frankly, I am absolutely honored that so many of you would be willing to support this network through your willingness to pay a subscription fee, but bottom line is that it won't happen."

In this statement I was speaking to the existing members ("so many of you") and was attempting to reassure them that we would not start to charge them a subscription fee for basic service. 

Our new plan maintains this commitment to not charge our existing members a subscription fee, and our new members are still offered a basic membership to ActiveRain for free.

Obviously at that time we did plan to offer subscription services for participation in certain aspects in the network - just not basic access for existing members. 

We have not been shy to put our plans and commitments down in writing on our network. This is rare for businesses in this day and age when most try to leave as many outs as possible. We have done everything within our power to be transparent and forthright and then to honor our commitment.  We will continue to strive to honor these commitments into the future. We will make mistakes but we will always first try to do what is right.
1:59am • #596

I don't feel the comment to Purge Inactive members should go anywhere.  Realtors learn things over time, and after attending a class or interacting with other Realtors in a transaction or office, they may find a desire to participate in AR.  We should never remove the foundation under an existing house!
6:39am • #597
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Hi Brad I  am checking in to read what is happening and I just am in amazement. I can not believe that everyone of these comments have been responded to. 

If there is any test of dedication, concern and appreciation ...it is the fact that all of the community builder leaders have taken time to respond to the comments ( and with all these commentto ..can't get them read in a timely manner..far less than responding each one )  some of our own fellow commenter's are not that conscientious or courteous as to reply to member comments.  I applaud you.  It is a monumental in confirming you are serious about this network as a family and as business partners....just had to write this .....I am so impressed...Thanks for caring enough to listen.That is what makes a family stronger.and structured ..to be able to communicate and listen......with an open mind,  but with  leadership as head of the family...

There are times when you leaders are kinder to us than we are to them..but then for the majority plus....you are loved for you commitment   Thanks
8:19am • #598
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Bob - REALTORS® aren't the only ones that learn over time, our entire industry here learns over time.

It's great to have your side and opinion here as well as some of the others who might appear a bit purge trigger happy. lol~  Seriously, this is not something we take lightly and all consideration and decisions either way will be for "The Better" of the network and community.  This should comply with our guidelines and terms of service.  We would of course review the pros and cons of both sides before coming up with a plan, and it would likely be announced in plenty of time if a purge or deactivation were to ever take place. 

Just a thought, another issue are those members who have left the business, changed careers, and are never coming back.  Shall they remain on AR with a profile and just a few posts?  Or should they be removed since they are no longer active here or in the business?  What if they are deceased?  This is a tougher question to answer than most people realize.  Why?  It is their Blog.  It is their content.  Unless we add specific terms and conditions to the membership that state in detail a deactivation or inactive removal process, I think they should remain, but I'm not the judge or the jury. The discussion won't end here for sure.  Thanks.  :-)

 
8:34am • #599
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Dear Brad,

I am thrilled to be "grandfathered" into AR. I love it here and feel the AR community is a valuable asset to anyone in this industry. Thanks for explaining the new structure to us. To the newcomers remember... "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated". The important thing to remember is that you will be glad you joined. It is wonderful in the Rain!
9:06am • #600
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I think I have read all of these comments.

Not sure about purging any members or posts.  IF that is being considered,

If so - I think each inactive member, even anyone with a profile at all, should receive a phone call, email or letter telling them about the new programs and giving them an opportunity to write their first post, re activate their blog, something - at least give them a window of opportunity to remain a founding member.

Maybe a rule that you have to post once a month to remain a founder.

Many valuable members joined, didn't become active until later. (me, for one :)

Also to consider -

Could there be a chance for anyone who was invited by a founding member before the cutoff to join and post within a time frame to get in under the founding status?  It sounds like several members went to considerable lengths to educate associates about AR and offer free membership.

Just my .06.
10:15am • #601
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"Could there be a chance for anyone who was invited by a founding member before the cutoff to join and post within a time frame to get in under the founding status?  It sounds like several members went to considerable lengths to educate associates about AR and offer free membership."

Hi Virginia - We still offer FREE membership, the founding member status and opportunity to become a founding member has passed, but you can still have any new members or invited guests begin their journey here as a "Basic" member which is at no cost. 

They can then determine for themselves the plan and future of their membership here including upgrading to a rainmaker account giving them the equivalent benefits of being a founding member.  Their choice to upgrade would also include their own outside Blog and unique domain name along with all the other benefits our founding members get to utilize.

Thanks for your .06 cents, every penny counts!  :-))
10:26am • #602

I agree with Brad's comment about having a policy for deactivation--that way members know what to expect. And, why rush to judgment about purging past members who no longer are contributing? Does that mean what they posted is of no value? Yes, it's a qualitative decision that needs consideration.
10:43am • #603

Wow,  very exciting announcement.  Glad I started when I did!
11:02am • #604

Julianna-

Joel is very correct in his statement that an individuals content is very valuable to sites like AR, Zillow, Trulia, FaceBook etc etc.

However, you must look at the reciprocal value of your content, i.e. what do you get for contributing your content?  Here at AR you get: tremendous feedback that can help you 'find your voice' and improve your writing/marketing skills, SEO Juice to another of your sites, relative industry education, networking opportunities, technical and customer service and the list goes on.

In order to maintain these sites and for them to provide such value back to the contributing author, they (we) must find ways to monetize the content, traffic etc. 

Google has created this myth that things on the net are 'free'.  They monetize the indexing of your (all public facing) content (both on a large site or individual blog) with an advertising model...so successfully that they can afford to provide various products and services for what looks like free. Here, use GMail, a killer online email service for free!  What you may not know is that Google scrubs your email for keywords so they may serve up targeted ads, for which they make Billions.

As far as Joel suggesting that you have no control over your content, I agree and disagree.

Anyone of the sites he mentions could suffer a catastophic system failure and *poof* your content is gone (highly unlikely), sell to a different owner who wont maintain the culture that you enjoyed participating in and run away with your content (very unlikely, yet possible), it would behoove the 'new owner' to maintain as much of the culture that caused people to contribute their social capital as possible.  Yet, I've seen perfectly capable larger companies take over smaller successful ventures and screw em up big time.

On the other hand, anyone also has the opportunity to keep their content on their own autonomous site (ActiveBlog, Wordpress, Blogger etc) and use sites with inherent SEO Juice like AR to build the same.  To my knowledge AR is one of the few such sites that doesn't mind, even encourages you to syndicate your content out of the network.  Most other 'multi-author' sites require the submission of unique content that cannot be published elseware.

We at AR are very conscious of the value of our contributors and recognize that your content is YOUR content.  Again, we provide reciprocal benefits that we feel compensate a members participation and contributions, yet we are willing to go the extra step.  Speaking of pending product or services before their immediate release is usually a bad idea (delays and a million other issues can arise), yet I feel this issue of owning your content is important enough to let you all know we plan to implement a feature that will allow you to download all your posts into a file with the click of a few buttons.   This level data portability should comfort anyone who is concerned about either losing their content or having it locked down by a nasty 3rd party. 

I think a Board of Members within AR is a great idea.  While it wouldn't have any legal/voting rights in the actual corporation, it would certainly carry a democratic voice with substantial weight!

Well, this turned out to be a post within a post...hope I answered your questions and addressed your concerns. 

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me direct at jcorbett@activerain.com (Give me a bit to get to some responses, my inbox moves like the stock-ticker at the bottom of CNBC during trading hours)
12:55pm • #605

I would only expect there to be a fee for something as powerful a tool as this. Considering that due to size of the network and what it provides to the Real Estate community, it obviously requires a number of people to keep it running in tip top shape to help the rest of us enabled to continue to use this great networking site.

Look forward to seeing AR continue to grow and help professionals reap rewards only available through this platform.

Oh and anyone that is thinking of writing something negative about this 29 dollar new membership plan. Read carefully because in the 29 bucks you get an outside blog and domain which all of the old members would have to pay for anyway if we wanted that so now it is just being included.

Thanks Brad. Keep up the good work.

Cheers!
12:55pm • #606
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Uh Brad...did we lose the ability to edit our comments? 

1:08pm • #607

589 comments Brad, that's all you could muster?
1:33pm • #608
385,413 Points 25 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Hi Brad.  What a bold move by Active Rain.

Good luck.  It will be interesting to see how this will affect membership...

Thanks for writing,

Ken
1:34pm • #609

Wow...I think all 135,596 members on ActiveRain have commented on this!

I think ActiveRain is great and looking forward to my "founder" account.

 

 
1:42pm • #610
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Brad, I would love to know how the new memberships are going - I hope this is truly successful!
1:59pm • #612
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Ho....Ho, I don't think I actually made that comment but it's pretty funny. Hmmm...Maybe I was sleep commenting or just maybe...a friend here (who also has a mischievous side) made it for me! LOL Whatever, I am a fan and please keep up the great "work in progress!"  ActiveRain Rocks!
2:11pm • #613
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Brad, any news on the localism question?  

the 20% that we've seen refers usually to people posting once per month. We looked at the 5% model of people posting at least once a week since the recommended SEO model is to post at least twice a week. So 20/4 is how we came up with that. Bottom line is, i'm sure i'll get the exact headcount for you one of these days, albeit one state or county, city at at time ;)

597 now. Whats' the all time record for one post on Ar?

EDIT: Answer is: ( 3082 comments) 

How to Get Over 100 Comments on Your Blog Posts - A Retrospective
2:29pm • #614
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Bob:  I was thinking the same thing. Brad's become a real 'Slacker' lately. He used to respond to every comment. Guess that's what happens when you get to be so popular!
2:30pm • #615
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Victor:   What was the Localism Question?
2:32pm • #616
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Rich, could you address if new members(with a free account) will be able to utilize localism for their content? If so then that content would be public no? 

Thanks for noticing. I figured this may come up at the next meeting.
2:35pm • #617
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I posted this on TLW's site, but I want to repeat it here:

 

1. Most agents don't want to spend a DIME if it's not their broker's. They want the broker to provide it all--ads, office supplies, signs--and are quick to tell the broker what to do. When it's their buck, they won't spend it unless they see direct immediate results (which you don't see with most of any form of marketing/advertising).

2. How many agents would blink at a $29 dinner bill? What can you buy for $29? 5 cups of coffee at Starbucks + a cookie with each cup? Come on. It's not the amount. If it was $9.99 they'd still howl.

3. I sent out dozens of invitations lately to join AR. To friends, competitors, agents I met in cobrokes... and only 3 people to date signed up when it was FREE. Cheap? Lazy?

4. The value is there. We who are on this site, blogging every day (and I spend at least 1-2 hours a day here) know it's value. I've found friendships, mentors, great advice, a place to BITCH and MOAN, and a place to celebrate my accomplishments. I went on vacation to an island 2 weeks ago and I paid $40 for the week so I could have wireless in my room... and yes I sneaked a peek (but no blog posts) while sunning in Bonaire. When hubby was diving. I am totally addicted.

5. I am thankful AR is here. I am shocked they stayed FREE for this long. The basic version is still free, and good enough for many agents! For those who want to do more, pay the bloody money. Skip 2 lunches a month and feed your brain!

I am also an educator--I teach real estate licensing and am a broker. Thus I am a big supporter of EDUCATION. This site offers it all! Education, networking, and the ability to market yourself in one place.
2:40pm • #618
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Dang it I tried to be #600
2:45pm • #619
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Me, too--I wasn't fast enough! Dangnabbit!

(hmmm - the graphic below says "belimbing.")

Cheers,

Robin
2:56pm • #620
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K, here's how powerful active rain is. Based on some research we just did. There are on average (during this hour at least):

  • 150 posts/hour
  • 3600 posts/day
  • 100,000 posts/month
  • 1,200,000 posts/year
post counts are probably even higher during peak hours. So it's safe to say 2,000,000 could be very possible.
3:11pm • #621
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Brad- Who said there are only 20% Active members?  It looks like all the members have been active on your blog, alone.

Jeff-  ...we plan to implement a feature that will allow you to download all your posts into a file with the click of a few buttons.

 Looking forward to that feature.

 
3:12pm • #622
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Marilyn, there are ongoing discussions about that throughout the net starting at 8% to 22%. If everyone who is active posted on this blog than tha'ts not good lol. 

Ah, we missed the feature jeff talked about. That sounds extremely exciting. Would that file be a PDF? IF so that would be phenomenal.

We found a great post today that shows the rate of return for new members. The Active Rain Rate Of Return vs Cyber-welfare

edit: Just realized we got the 600th comment. Sorry todd :)
3:19pm • #624
859,532 Points 76 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Yes, I'll look forward dto the downloadable posts, too! Thanks. You guys are always improving. I've been here less than 2 years, but in that time I've enjoyed being part of the growth.
3:19pm • #625
326,976 Points 61 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

So it's a "no" on the greased chicken?
3:35pm • #626
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Paul - you're going to have to wait your turn, I'm still up on comment 227, so go chase a couple more greased chickens and I'll get to your comments when I can...   ROFL~

BTW - You'll never guess what I'm eating for lunch right now.  :-O
3:41pm • #627
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You are actually reciprocating all of these comments?  You are a better man than I.  After about 50, I tell everybody to f off ;)
4:01pm • #628
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Hi Paul.
4:07pm • #629

Wow, interesting!
4:26pm • #630
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Castellum Realty-  You got me.  I forgot to put the wink after my percentage comment.  It only feels like everyone is having their say.  It's more accurately the more active names that we see.  And, it's not even the 600 or so number.  I know I've already commented multiple times and I'm sure I've seen your shield at least a dozen time ;-)
5:03pm • #632
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Hi Amanda.
5:33pm • #633
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Hi Jeff, Thank you for your response to my comment. I have every confidence that AR (The current powers that be) will honor the stated agreements that content that members contribute remain theirs... the big question is what happens in the case of a sell-off, which is what Joel alluded to in his article, that I quoted from above.

Interesting timing on all this discussion...  just as the announcment  today, that FACEBOOK has now gone back to the original user agreement saying that users maintain the rights to their own content, and facebook now honors that (which was not the case as of late) I think the real discussion is not whether something is free or not free, but whether intent of use of content can be altered without the contributors knowing about it or having any say. ALL for a MEMBER'S BOARD say AYE... (the recent decision on membership came as a surprise to over 99% of all us involved in AR!)

And BRAVO....now I see that users here will have the opportunity to download all thier content easily... and this on the heels of the Facebook announcement... very timely indeed! The question is, will users have the opportunity to download and DELETE their content... not that I or anyone else would want to... it is just a hypothetical.

Lastly, when do I get to receive my mark  oops ...I mean "badge" by my comments? :-)

And Lastly (for reals this time)... do you think all the little pix by comments are slowing us down here?
6:15pm • #634
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I'd just like to wish you the best of luck(seriously, I'm not being sarcastic for a change) this is still America(at least for a while)and profit is what makes the wheels continue to turn. All those who are so surprised are probably the same people who are suddenly surprised to find out Obama is a socialist.  I am for anything that keeps you guys around.
6:32pm • #635

Hey Julianna-

couple answers, real quick...

"whether intent of use of content can be altered without the contributors knowing about it or having any say"

No.  Users are in complete control of their content, AR does not alter or otherwise use members content without their knowledge and/or permission.

"will users have the opportunity to download and DELETE their content"

You will have the opportunity to download soon, you can currently delete your content anytime you wish...

You'll have to ask the community guys how one gets a badge...All I know is that you apparently get one if you work here :)

Pix shouldn't ever noticeably slow down page loads, 500+ comments and Brads Widgetopia sidebar will ;)
6:42pm • #636

@Paul- Yer killin me :-)
6:43pm • #637
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OK, where was I...just before Amanda and Paul tried to Hijack my Post?!?  lol~ 

Looks like Bob, Rich and Jeff were more successful at it.  haha. 

Thanks for covering for me guys while I took my afternoon nap.  (hehehe)

 
7:47pm • #638
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I was thinking the same thing. Brad's become a real 'Slacker' lately. He used to respond to every comment. Guess that's what happens when you get to be so popular!

:)

TLW...ROAR!
7:49pm • #639
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Julianna - this post is slower loading than most due to all the comments and as Jeff stated, it's Rich Jacobson's photo with the suit, and not my sidebar or widgets.  (LOL)

The pictures next to comments has nothing to do with it.  To get your picture next to your comment, here's how.  I wrote it above,but certainly don't expect people to read all these comments so I'll post it here again:

Any member of ActiveRain who has invested in an Outside Blog, A Listing Router Campaign, or Sponsored a Localism Community will automatically have their Badge/Photo show up in the comments. 

We are still working on moving over all members from the Localism Sponsorships and Listing Router Campaigns. There may still be some that aren't showing up who have ActiveBlogs as well. 

We should have these all merged over in the next day or so.

 
7:55pm • #640
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TLW - so when did you start agreeing with people and their silly comments???  Don't turn on me now....   :-))
7:59pm • #641
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Stepping out for dinner if that's ok, will be back in a bit to deal with the rest of this posting....   :-))
8:00pm • #642

I joined AR when there were fewer than 30,000 members and it has been exciting to see the way it has grown.  I always wondered how membership in such a great site could continue to be free.  It is a the best place that I have found for members of the real estate community throughout the country to network, market themselves and their properties, and gain valuable information to enhance our business.  Having been a veteran of the industry for 24 years, I still am learning so much here!  I read many of the questions, responses, and comments on this post, and I apologize if my question was answered, but I was not able to find it...so here goes.  Since the free outside blog was introduced on AR, I have been reading posts trying to understand it and had hoped to begin one.  For founding members, are they still free or will there be a cost?  I teach new members at my board and the Code of Ethics and I am always promoting social networking and especially AR.
10:39pm • #643
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Okay, forget the chicken.  We do a series of thumb wars with escalating price incentivization.  If you are really a dedicated practitioner who has put in the hours to make AR the content swallowing monstrosity that it is, you should have some Paul Bunyan sized thumbs from all of that space bar punching.  Bottom placers pay for their blogs and lose their thumbs.  Middle of the pack get to keep their thumbs, but still have to pay for their blogs.  Championship round competitors get their blogs for free.  First place gets named Grand Poobah in addition to the free blog and all expenses paid reconstructive surgery for his/her freakishly proportioned digits.  I also envision a low budget straight to DVD appearance in a Rutger Hauer vehicle.  Is he still alive?  Get his people person on the phone.
12:25am • #644
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Paul - I have 9 brothers and sisters.  We spent many years participating in thumb wars in church every Sunday with practice rounds during the week.

Do I have to disclose this if I enter the competition?  If so, please send disclosure form so that I can have it notarized.

Also - what about steroid use?
12:37am • #645

Glad I got in under the wire.  This is an awesome site.  I have invited over thirty folks and only seven has joined and I think only two have posted.  Thanks to everyone who has created this site.  Wish I had heard about it in 2006 but glad I'm here now!!
4:54am • #646

I love the badges!
8:33am • #647
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My word, I guess this post got a bit of attention.  I am just excitied to be able to read it...it didn't freeze my computer!  Thanks so much for fixing the bug.  BTW, I think these changes are good ones!  Now I need to get to 300,000 point so I can get the extra little box below my photo!
9:32am • #648
200,475 Points 57 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Hey Guys,  I like the new badges.  :)  I feel special.  LOL
10:34am • #649
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Hi Brad,

My only suggestion is to allow those of us who are featured members in our city to also have the Rainmaker VIP badge next to our comments. I am not currently paying for any of the products that give you a badge, but I am the number one agent in my city and county...that should count for something right? I'm working hard to put out quality blogs and rise up the ranks in my state as well.

Thanks,

Anne Rains
11:08am • #650
188,666 Points 1 Featured Post Localism Sponsor

Ok, I have to admit, the new badge is nice :-)
11:17am • #651
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Holy cow! 635 comments!! Guess this will take a little while to digest. I'll bookmark it for when I have a good chunk of time to spend reading this.

ETA- I've read the post. Now I'm back to read the comments. I was away from AR for many months due to the birth of my first child. She is now 9 monhts old and I am trying to really get back into AR and be an active participant.  I'm a bit confused about where this leaves me.
3:33pm • #653
295,292 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I agree with Lenn.
3:35pm • #654
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Jonathan,

I said this on the other post, but certainly this one has more eyes on it today.  I support your right to make money on activerain as much now as I did when I wrote that post back in 2007.  I did not quote you as a criticism.  I quoted you because I thought it was interesting to look back in time.  You kept your word.
4:41pm • #655

Can we look at this as a way to weed out competition?
Linda Greco
4:43pm • #656
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Hi Brad,

My only suggestion is to allow those of us who are featured members in our city to also have the Rainmaker VIP badge next to our comments. I am not currently paying for any of the products that give you a badge, but I am the number one agent in my city and county...that should count for something right? I'm working hard to put out quality blogs and rise up the ranks in my state as well.

Thanks,

Anne Rains

 

Hi Anne - we are looking at many other ideas and suggestions right now along with a few really cool ones of our own.  This is all still fresh off the press so just hang in there,  we won't let ya down, I promise.  :-)
5:27pm • #657
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Brad, Just had to come back and say thanks for the picture badge.....
6:00pm • #658
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Brad, now you've guilted me into working even harder at this.  I think I'm still a newbie, but, now a "founding member"?  How cool is that?  Thanks.
6:07pm • #659
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Since everyone with a photo seems to have a raindrop in it, is it special? 
6:57pm • #660
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Maureen - yes! Especially when there are a million members here, then it will even be more special!  :-))
7:06pm • #661
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Brad and A/R Crew- I didnt' see that, "free membership for new members part"- did I read it? Yes...Did it fully register, no.  Okay I am with you now. 

Phew, I was before but now I totally get it.

Thank you for finding more ways to monetize...we all, as members, gain when A/R can have a platform that is monetized.

For others, joining on the free membership still has immense benefits.  A/R is like a virtual real estate library and social networking and marketing godsend for any agent all tied in together.

 

I also noted a comment above about giving up on technology.  Oh no...I hate when I read things like that.  It is a business killer.
7:12pm • #662
173,150 Points 43 Featured Posts

Brad and A/R Crew- I didnt' see that, "free membership for new members part"- did I read it? Yes...Did it fully register, no.  Okay I am with you now. 

Phew, I was before but now I totally get it.

Thank you for finding more ways to monetize...we all, as members, gain when A/R can have a platform that is monetized.

For others, joining on the free membership still has immense benefits.  A/R is like a virtual real estate library and social networking and marketing godsend for any agent all tied in together.

 

I also noted a comment above about giving up on technology.  Oh no...I hate when I read things like that.  It is a business killer.
7:12pm • #663
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I go to Orlando for a couple of days, thinking this will blow over by the time I get home, my  goodness!! my email is groaning under the weight of all this thinking. I just going to say my one piece, I have only been here since Sept.08 and I love it, you couldn't run me off with a stick!!

Since I wasn't here at the beginning, I'll just do what you say. Thanks
7:16pm • #664
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I have been a member for quite awhile. However, I've never been a "techie" so I didn't relize that even though I had my blog linked to my website, I still need to purchase the blog product in order for it to help my SEO. The badge feature gives me more incentive to sign up for it. Give me a minute, I'll be signing up!
8:58pm • #665
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I have been a member for quite awhile. However, I've never been a "techie" so I didn't relize that even though I had my blog linked to my website, I still need to purchase the blog product in order for it to help my SEO. The badge feature gives me more incentive to sign up for it. Give me a minute, I'll be signing up!
8:58pm • #666
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Wow, this took hours to read (LOL). I didn't want to miss a single comment. How anal retentive is that. :-)

Bravo AR. :-) If you do form a council or board, how do we nominate people and when do we vote or will it be by appointment? Sounds intriguing. Do we get X amount of seats for each category of profession? Flat numbers or ratio based? This could be mad fun and hopefully very useful as a feedback mechanism for you. :-)
10:01pm • #667

I'm all for charging, kind of like natural selection. The strong and those willing to pay will survive. You guys gotta keep the servers running right?
10:37pm • #668
121,551 Points 18 Featured Posts

Hey Brad~ WOW, my head is spinning, but I need to call you again, it seems like some things aren't adding up in terms of founding member and outside blog stuff..I'll be in touch. I think I'm missing a badge..:(
10:48pm • #669
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In the current economic times I'm amazed that more media owners haven't started to charge for their service - I don't know how they will servive. Good luck with the change in business model.
11:12pm • #670
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well .. it has been a few days now. how is the new membership going?

I certainly understand the need for change... i hope it works out well for you.. you (especially Brad) are all dedicated and have always been very helpful.. before i spend money on anything real estate wise, i always visit the AR blogs to see what others think.. this has saved me a lot of money over the past year.. i also have tried to learn how to blog.. i do ok but have a lot of room for improvement.. i have been considering joining the individual outside blog.... have been deciding if i could spend another $19 per month... i know that amount seems trivial, but when you spend that 20 times, it adds up... i belong to a lot of sites and the monthly fees certainly become and issue after a while. since i have been on AR for about a year now, if i still join the outside blog and listing router or anything else, does the system know that i am a founding member? does that save me anything or is it the same price as a new member? ...

Thanks for all your support over the past year.. you are very patient with all our questions... :)

Sheila

 

 

 
8:53am • #671
177,410 Points 2 Featured Posts

Hi Brad.  I have a quick question for you about something you mentioned in your posting.  What exactly is the "ActiveRain Founder Account" that all pre-February 16 members will receive.  Is there any sort of designation or badge that goes along with being an ActiveRain Founder Account?

Thanks!
9:54am • #672
530,827 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Brad... You and Active Rain made the news again....  NewsGeni has the story. http://newsgeni.us/story.php?title=ActiveRain_Going_Pay-for-Play&s=102&topstory=1
10:19am • #673

Andrew  Mooers....I agree completely with your comment. I had been thinking the same exact thing as I have been reading through all the comments.

It seems easy for the members who have a gazillion points to belittle others who haven't blogged in the past or even who disagree but who are we to judge anyone by how they decide to run their businesses...and this is our business. No matter what anyone else says, there has been a elitcist and look down your nose attitude in some of the comments. (Open your mind and reread some of the posts before you defend them). This does not do the AR community any justice. If I were a new member reading through some of the comments, I would probably think twice about joining, fee or no fee. I have been a member of AR for a long time and I know the spirit of AR but I find my back up and wanting to go on the defensive.

I will admit that I am one that has not taken full advantage of blogging even though I do try to get on everyday if nothing else to check into what's going on in the community. Not taking full advantage is for several of my own personal reasons...intimidation, lack of writing skills, proscrastination and biggest of all...time. I am a full time realtor who just happens to be a single mom with no support. There comes a time that marketing activities have to be prioritized and unfortunately blogging hasn't become one...yet. I mention this not to make excuses or garner sympathy but to make the point that there are a million other things that go on in each of our lives. To imply that someone is lazy or cheap or just dumb because they may not agree with your views of blogging is shooting yourself in the foot and again doesn't portray AR in the favorable light that it should be seen in. I mean who are any of us to judge others? The point of my comment is think about what you are writing before you hit submit. Yes we all have different views and this is what makes AR so special BUT we all(me included) should think about how we can express our views so that we don't alienate or insult other members. This is after all a networking community.

Well wow I wasn't expecting to write such a long comment and I digress from the post. I have to say that I will be interested to see how this change goes especially in this economy. Honestly if I were a brand new member I would not pay a fee. A new member hasn't had the chance to see the value yet. And before Brad or anyone chimes in and adds that members can join for free, I realize this BUT put yourselves in a new members shoes. What motivation do they even have to start blogging if they know that no consumers are going to see their blogs unless they pay a fee. Sure it may be a way to network with other realtors but there are many other ways to network. A big purpose of blogging is to reach consumers. And for someone who may never have blogged before, I don't see them paying a fee just to try it out and see what a response they get. Everyone seems to want to start charging now and I have close to $100 a month going out in misc fees(just on the internet). Sure some are saying $29 is not much but it can snowball fast when you put it all together and in tough times, agents are going to start prioritizing expenses. I just hope this doesn't hurt the wonderful community that AR has built and there is a chance of becoming stall without new blood coming in.
10:50am • #674
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I've been thinking about this for a couple of days. I am still digesting the implications. It seems there are lots of opinions. Many support the change. I just feel a shift in the perception of Active Rain. My hope is that the shift will lead to growth not decay.
10:52am • #675
293,730 Points 49 Featured Posts Outside Blog

OK, I tried to keep up with the comments but gave out at about 240.  No way I can read all of them and get any work done today.

It's about time you guys started charging a membership.  To those that liken Active Rain to the free platforms on FaceBook, MySpace, blogger, wordpress etc, I say that they don't really get what Active Rain is all about.

However, all of us who have been around for any amount of time and see the value of our membership have always stated that we would pay for the benefits of being here.  It surprised me that AR chose to give us free membership and charge the newbies instead (and I did read the post and understand the fee structure). 

I'm just curious why you didn't decide to charge a more reasonable amount ($9.95/mo maybe) and charge everyone across the board instead?  It would have made us all have to put our money where our mouths are.

I'm not knocking the gift.  Just wondering.  Even so, I must say thanks for grandfathering me in.
11:15am • #676

 

To clarify: If you created your account and posted at least one blog entry before February 16, 2009 (5am PST), you are considered a Founding member. You (the Founding members) are the driving force behind ActiveRain and will never be charged to participate in the network. 

 

02/16/2009 09:00 AM by Jorgen Hahn (ActiveRain Corp)

 

So maybe I still don't 'get it' but why don't I have a photo when I leave a comment?
1:45pm • #677
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Maggie... A long time ago Jonathan promised he would not charge The Founding Members a Membership fee. He has kept that promise to all of us. I think that is relevant to this discussion.

Brad... Well there you go. We'll call that my 'added value' :)

TLW...ROAR!
8:23pm • #678
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

And...

I want my 'notify me of new comments' back now. Pretty please? :)

TLW...ROAR!

8:27pm • #679
343,266 Points 36 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Where IS the notify me box??  And what's that bright red notice about my comment being successfully created?
8:34pm • #680

Thanks for the information.  I'm more than happy to pay this membership fee.  This network community is amazing and I look forward to using it quite a bit.  Too bad I didn't find this website sooner.  Thanks again!

-John
11:48pm • #681
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I stepped out of the Rain for a hot minute to do some Real Esate, came back and see bunches of changes.  Thank you for helping me succeed.

Paul

www.myNCbroker.com
9:19am • #682
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Wow!!!  I've been working on my social networking here in Saint John and haven't been on the ActiveRain for a month or so, and when I got on today, I noticed my "Rainmaker" badge.  What's really cool, is I'm the only one here in New Brunswick that has one.  AWESOME!!!  Now, I'll have to get a few more.  LOL

                             ;>)
7:57pm • #683
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2009
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I was wondering where that "notify me" box went, too!  I am VERY excited about being able to download and back up our content:-)
7:25am • #684
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I'm working through all infromation and trying figure out the best way to move forward in the rain.
10:39am • #685
647,130 Points 5 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Holy Crap Batman - I can't keep up with it all.  I need an assistant just to do my AR stuff.
4:20pm • #688
Outside Blog

Brad, I am so blessed to be part of such a wonderful community. Thank you to the Rain for all the amazing contacts, experience, lessons learned and to much more to come!
4:42pm • #689

I had heard rumors and am glad this explanation says it all:)  Thanks
11:44pm • #690
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149,966 Points 1 Featured Post

How do you write all the blogs and consistently move at the speed of light upgrading and creating and show up all over the internet in every social media?  Where do you find your inspiration, motivation and information? 
4:29am • #691
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Maya - it all comes from having one of the best teams in the Country, all working together with one common goal:  To help our members benefit from ActiveRain's Community.  Our members ARE our network!  It takes more than inspiration, motivation, and information, it takes a team of individuals who sincerely care. Thanks.
9:42am • #692
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I hope I don't throw off all the good vibes from the positive comments by founding members who don't have to pay the $29/month fee.  I suppose I could have been one of the many people who mentioned what a great deal it is for others to pay for something that I'm getting for free, but I'm not in that boat.

I signed up as an ActiveRain member a couple months ago, but because my time was stretched pretty thin selling houses at the time, I didn't get back to starting my blog until a couple days ago.  I spent a lot of time going through other AR members' blogs trying to figure out how they added certain features and functionality to their blogs prior to starting my blog.  I created four well thought-out blog entries offline, and when I went to paste the first one into my new AR Blog, I was disappointed to find out that my blog entries wouldn't be visible to the general public.  My quest to find an answer led me here.

There aren't many things in life that get my blood boiling, but for some reason this hit a nerve.  Usually when a company is going to change from a free service model to a fee-based model, or if they're going to make changes to their fee structure, they send an email to members/subscribers a month or so in advance letting them know--Something like:

"Dear David, We are implementing some changes in our membership structure... If you are a current member and have not made any blog posts by 5:00AM PST on 2/16/09, you will be required to sign up for the New Membership Plan at $29 per month in order for your blog posts to be viewable to consumers and search engines."

A simple email like that sent even a week prior to the change would have caused me to shift my priorities and get my blog started a week earlier. Instead, I felt like I was blindsided. If an email had been sent out to members in advance and I missed it, then please accept my apology. I get a lot of emails every day and some get picked up by my spam filter without me realizing it. However, sending an email with the subject "ActiveRain Launches New Rainmaker Membership Plan" and a link in the middle of an email with a bunch of other content wasn't enough to catch my eye. Maybe if the subject read "ActiveRain Launches New Fee-Based Membership Plan Effective Today" it would have gotten my attention. There was no indication at first glance that my membership was about to be downgraded, and I had no idea that the change had already gone into effect 9 hours before the email landed in my Inbox.

I may be having a challenge accepting the fact that I barely missed the opportunity to become one of the "elite" founding members.  I know that $29/month would get me the same features, but it's kind of like going to the store and buying myself a trophy instead of winning it.

One last thing to end this on a good note.  Brad, I have to say that I'm amazed at your ability to read through and actually respond to so many comments.  I think that takes a lot of dedication, not to mention good typing skills!
3:10pm • #693
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David - your comment and thoughts are always welcomed.  I apologize you missed the cutoff date and that there wasn't enough warning to squeeze out your first post, but for what it's worth, you weren't alone.  All I can do is honestly tell you I sincerely appreciate and understand your concern and frustration and wish I could turn back the hands of time.  Unfortunately, I can't but would offer up any assistance I can to help you out any way possible. 

Please feel free to call or contact me anytime if there is anything I can do to make your experience and time here more valuable to you and your business.  Thanks for the compliment and for recognizing how hard ALL of our staff work to make ActiveRain the Real Estate Network that it is.  Your support along with every members support is very important to us all.  :-))
12:51am • #694

David,

   I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt blind sided by the anouncement. If I ran my business by announcing at the end of a transaction my clients owed additional money because I was worth more than I initially agreed to in comission I don't think I would last too long.  I am still on the fence about the whole blogging/networking thing.  I suffer from TMI right now and it is only getting worse.  I'm sure blogging and networking on line has its place, I am thinking it isn't my place even though mastery of online resources was my goal for this year.  I am happy for all of the people who have figured out how to blog, network, increase their business, keep clients happy and have a life beyond the computer and real estate.  I am not old and opposed to change, just not getting the whole networking blogging idea.......
Denise
8:03am • #695
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Denise - I will admit, it's not for everyone, but then again, neither is Real Estate.  Blogging and Social networking is not really much more than email and social gatherings and meetings.  To Blog is to be responsive and communicate or create interesting threads that connect people through shared ideas, concepts, and conversations.  Just like when you respond to email.  The Social Networking is connecting to like minded individuals and building relationships whether that be other industry professionals or consumers. 

ActiveRain is a ripe and seasoned network to do this and so much more, but nobody can or will make you dive in.  It's another tool and that's it.  As I said, it's not for everyone unless you have a passion for your business, yourself, and your clients.  I would love to be able to help you, but when you commented, you didn't log-in, so I'm really not sure who you are nor do I have access to your AR profile as there is no link. 

Hopefully you'll come back to read this comment, and if you do, please feel free to contact me.  I'd be happy to explain this in more detail and try to help you.  Right now, for some reason I feel like I'm just carrying on talking to myself.  LOL~  It's time to get off the fence, one way or the other, and get on with life.  :-)

My number is available on my AR profile which you can access by clicking on my name below.  Thanks.
8:43am • #697
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I would only expect there to be a fee for something as powerful a tool as this. Considering that due to size of the network and what it provides to the Real Estate community, it obviously requires a number of people to keep it running in tip top shape to help the rest of us enabled to continue to use this great networking site.

Look forward to seeing AR continue to grow and help professionals reap rewards only available through this platform.

Oh and anyone that is thinking of writing something negative about this 29 dollar new membership plan. Read carefully because in the 29 bucks you get an outside blog and domain which all of the old members would have to pay for anyway if we wanted that so now it is just being included.

Thanks Brad. Keep up the good work.

Cheers!

Chris - you make a good point.  I think there was a rumor going around that the 29.00 was just a membership fee and that the outside blogs were an additional fee and not included.  Your comment is right on the money, it does include an Outside ActiveBlog and domain name, but what many are missing is that this will also include support and training.  To be honest with you (and all members) you can't buy just support and training for that price. 

I think sometimes people take for granted the fact that our staff answers phones, responds to comments, reply to emails etc.  With the new levels of support we'll be offering, the money will no longer be the issue, it will be all about the education and training that will drive many to becoming "rainmaker" members, at least I hope. Why?  Because I'll be doing many of the training classes, webinars, and member support etc.  :-)  There is also much more to come here in the near future so ActiveRain RainMaker Membership will definitely have it's privileges.
8:59am • #698
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Brad and Rainers on the fence...

The benefit of the AR social networking and SEO strength of the Outside Blogs really is priceless.

29 buckaroos every month is very reasonable considering the vast area of marketing outreach plus the amount of marketing material you can include not only about your product but also about yourself. On the top of everything you can do it as many times as you want!

What AR accomplished already with the SEO for the outside blogs is incredible - from what I heard from oher members. There is no convincing needed to recognize that this is a powerful tool of the future personalized marketing...providing that you have something of value and interest to say, of course.

I joined the outside blogging just two months ago and after this short time I can already tell the difference in my traffic and consumer's interest... Here is the latest proof if you care to read it...

http://activerain.com/blogsview/949882/I-GOT-THE-RAIN-I-GOT-THE-JUICE-GOOGLE-JUICE-THAT-ISby-Bo-Kociuba-Realtor-wwwOkla-OKcom

So here is again: ACTIVE RAIN AND OUTSIDE BLOGS ROCK!!!

With smiles,

Bo

 
2:51pm • #699

I'm glad I'm already established on AR, and I do like it, but I also am surprised at this move in light of our economic times. I had no idea this was coming, so it would have been nice if there had been more warning. I'll continue to use AR and try to utilize this resource to the fullest, but if fees go into effect for existing members, I will have to pass.
7:02pm • #700
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Pam - I see you did get in just under the wire.  The only fee I can see going into affect for you might be if you offered to buy me a coffee or soda at the next AR gathering. LOL~  Pretty good deal, especially if you end up making thousands of dollars in Real Estate due to your efforts here on AR.  I am an optimist, can you tell?  I'm also realistic, and if you use your time and efforts here properly, you too can and will be just as successful as many of our other AR members.  Hope you don't pass on that....    :-)
8:37pm • #701
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606,192 Points 26 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad, great to talk to you this afternoon. I'm going to reference this post to the guy who asked about the public blog on my post featured in Active Rain Newbies and The Optimist. See you in Atlanta!

BTW, as I said in my post, at some point every business has to make a profit. I'm amazed you have been able to do this for this long for free!
4:09pm • #702

So I've been here since 2005, how come my blogs disappeared and new ones can't be set to be consumer viewable?
7:53pm • #703
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Meredith - in the post it says,"Any member accounts that were created before February 16th, 2009, but have NOT yet produced at least a single Blog post will continue to have access to the network and all the tools that they've utitlized up to this point.  If those members wish to activate their account so their Blog posts will be viewable to consumers and search engines, they'll be required to sign up for the New Membership Plan at $29 per month." 

AR didn't exist in 2005.  Also, you didn't create your first post on AR till 2/26/2009.  None of your blogs have disappeared, they are all there.  You can still post, but they will be members only unless you chose to upgrade, let me know if you need any help. :-)
8:21pm • #704
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Sorry it was 2007, typo.  I had blogs up in the first month I joined. They went poof.
5:49am • #705
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Meredith - I have our staff looking into this.  Unless your profile was deleted by you or someone with your login info, we have never had a members Blog or posts go poof.  I have asked our tech dept to check this out for you.  Thanks, we'll figure it out.  Are you sure you don't have maybe another user name here on AR or a profile and Blog under a different name or something?  Just thinking out loud.
9:32am • #706
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183,508 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Hello Brad, Thanks for explaining the new changes.  Those agents who hesitated to join in the past will most certainly not join now that they have to pay to play, but I don't blame AR for wanting to make money.  You can't run a business with no $

I'm very happy that already existing/participating members were grandfathered in as well!
9:15am • #707
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Cheryl - normally I hate to be the one to tell someone that they are wrong, but your comment that:
"Those agents who hesitated to join in the past will most certainly not join now that they have to pay to play" is totally wrong!  Since this post, more than 1500 new members have joined!  Of those 1500, we have many that are now Brand New "RainMaker" members here on ActiveRain.   

We are not only proud they have decided to join our community, in addition, we are assisting them in doing some things that some of our existing members (that are here for free) are still missing out on.  They are maximizing their new outside Activeblogs. 

In this particular case, I'm happy to be the one to tell you that your statement and comment is incorrect.

Joining ActiveRain and the "basic" membership is still FREE.  :-)
9:41am • #708
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hey...

What are we missing out on? LOL...Don't look at me like that. You started it :)

P.S. I'm a FireFox gal...Only takes a second to load 690 comments :)

TLW...ROAR!
9:56am • #709
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TLW - I was referring to the outside Activeblogs that are included in the new membership plan.  Some of our existing members HAVE taken advantage of them, many have not.....yet!  :-)

You can load this page in seconds?  Takes my computer forever to load this post!!  LOL~
11:05am • #710
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Just took me about 6 seconds on firefox brad. But i'm on a mac pro. On windows it takes foreeeeeeevvvvver. Location is also key ofcourse as the server's location plays a vital role in determining how fast it takes. To see how you compare, take this speed test. 

btw: brad, 5 things.

  1. no winner has been announced for the localism consumer content contest
  2. still waiting to hear word on how localism will work for new members who don't upgrade
  3. any word on the sweater vests for those who sponsored communities during the landrush?
  4. are you guys still planning on implementing a download and convert blog to pdf button for active rain ?
  5. Did you see the new spam accounts ? 2/28/09 we recommend you delete them as they made our spyware programs/toolbars go nuts.

Thanks Brad! You really did an unbelievable job at answering everyone's commments in this blog post. As patient as i am, i don't think i could have done it without at least sleeping during that time. :)

victor
12:22pm • #711
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Victor - I did the speed test, thanks! Is this good or bad results???  :-)

1. Not sure about the Localism consumer content winner, did I miss something? Sorry, I have been sooo busy.

2. New members who have a rainmaker account or are founding members will have the ability to post to Localism. (Localism is AR's next Big Project) The free basic accounts at this point do not. That's not to say this is a permanent status.  You know how AR listens to our members.

3. The AR swag is something that I do not have access to, that would come from our main office, you can check with them and I bet they'll try their best to take cae of you.

4. Yes, we are planning on implementing a download option to back up your Blogs on AR, but not sure it will be a pdf file, I am thinking it will be more like an HTML or XML or XLS format so it could be used in other ways.  PDF files are pretty much the same as a graphic unless you have the full adobe acrobat program.

5. Please email me the links to those members you have found that joined AR only to send spam, I will see that they are deleted.  You're the bomb, and I really appreciate how much time you put into this network.  :-))
4:31pm • #712
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Flagyl Cheap

 

 

There are some interesting new members today. 

Don't click on their links... trojans, phishing and other ickyness.  I wondered whether Flagyl Cheap was a real estate agent.  

 

 

 
7:21pm • #713
MAR
02
2009
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Maureen - thanks to Jason Rose, we have removed nearly 20 of these types of members that have slipped through the guard and gatekeepers that must have fallen asleep while on duty.  In the future, maybe a simple email to me as Jason did will be easier, I hate to see you give them additional exposure by placing any info about them in your comments or on my posts.  Just send me a link to their profile in the future and I'll take care of them that way.  Thanks Mo!  :-)

BTW - Flagyl Cheap has been removed.
9:38am • #714
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I am formulating a post about our group blog now..... I am wondering about something, Brad.... is there a way to see the statistics for the group blogs?

I really want to toot the horn for our Group blog....... and for ActiveRain also!!!

 

=-)
12:15pm • #715
MAR
03
2009
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Alex - what's up Bro?  We're working on it...  I know how excited you are about it. We're getting there.  I think this post might be sending you some link love and traffic in the meantime:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/934745/ActiveBlogs-Link-Love-and-SEO
3:31am • #716
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I had to comment.  I can't stand internet explorer!  Firfeox is ok.  Have you tried Google's broswer Chrome?  It is pretty fast!  Here is the link to get CHROME .

:)
11:41am • #717
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I had to comment.  I can't stand internet explorer!  Firfeox is ok.  Have you tried Google's broswer Chrome?  It is pretty fast!  Here is the link to get CHROME .

:)
11:41am • #718
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Brad......... thanks for writing back.... I have heard from Sara Washburn that the Groups Featured Blogs list (I guess the latest 4 pages) WILL be coming back..... and I am SOOO happy!!!

"Christianity and Real Estate" is floundering.....

=-)
1:51pm • #719
MAR
07
2009
410,003 Points 21 Featured Posts Outside Blog

WOW.  I have not read every comment but I have read most of them.  I am coming way late to the party; I was out selling real estate when this all hit the fan.

I'm not smug, but I really am going to find it hard to not say "Told ya!" when my fellow realtors try to sign up for AR NOW, after I've been doing it for two years.

I earned 25,000 in commissions last year and I really believe that ActiveRain was largely responsible for this. Many, if not most, of my customers either came from my blog, or came from my website that ranks well because of this blog.

I tried telling people but they wouldn't listen to me.  Oh well. 

I am astonished that people are balking at $29 /month, and many agents don't blink an eye at the appaling $200 - $400 a month growth leader is charging folks for what I deem to be an inferior service that costs more.  Lots More!

Thank you AR for all you have done for me in the past two years. 

That said - I DO think that the $29 is a bit high.  I'm not sure I would have paid that to start out.
1:43am • #720
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I earned 25,000 in commissions last year and I really believe that ActiveRain was largely responsible for this. Many, if not most, of my customers either came from my blog, or came from my website that ranks well because of this blog.

Karen - congrats on your successes here, I know there are many who share the same type of success stories as you.  Blogging in the rain, when done properly, can bring amazing results such as yours.  Having said that, your comment of, "I am astonished that people are balking at $29 /month" you'd be surprised at how many new members are not balking at it! 

We will continue to grow, expand, improve, and develop this site into being a place where members can continue to promote and grow their business successfully.  The minimal fee required to be a part of the same success you have experienced is worth every penny.  $25,000 divided by 29.00 pays for 862 months of service.  That's 71 years of membership on AR!  All the rest you make would be profit and a great return on your investment. 

Now I better go do the math and make sure what I just said is accurate!  lol~ :-)
11:36am • #722
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well of course, let's remember that was gross commissions.  LOL.  I took a huge hit in my wallet with everyone else every time I approached the one armed bandit - er, gas pump!  I think I spent 8,000 in gas!
11:42am • #723
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Remember, Karen, that your milage is TAX deductable ....I THINK the current tax rate per each mile is 48.5 cents.....

at 23 MPG and one hour traveling at 60 MPH that amounts to:

$29.10 per HOUR coming back to YOU from the G'vnment......

So...lets say you payed $4.00 per gallon of gas for that $29.10.......

2.6 gallons were used at 23 MPG and traveling 60 miles (And a LOT of cars get BETTER than 23 MPG on a highway..... so I fudged it between highway AND city MPG)

Your COST in gas woiuld be $10.40.....

 

Your NET INCOME for driving someone around at 23 MPG with gas costing $4.00 per gallon and traveling 60 miles would be:

 

$18.70 PER HOUR AFTER EXPENSES... (paying just for gas, not Starbucks coffees and doughnuts, etc...)

 

I read a post in AR that said most agents make $10.00 per hour....SO I BELIEVE you are doing well STILL driving clients to and from homes.... even though we SHOULD be careful and NOT waste money and our time doing it.

 

=-)

 

 

 

 
1:58pm • #724
MAR
08
2009
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Alex - WOW!!  Way to break it down, I hadn't looked at it that way before.  Nice, looks like a blog post to me.  Thanks for sharing that.  :-))
2:05pm • #725
410,003 Points 21 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Alexander, you made my head hurt.  ;0)
6:14pm • #726
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I was told that AR was a free site for blog...

Disappointed to find that when I join, there is now a fee.

The fee may just be a psychological barrier. But, it does detract from the usefullness.

It creates a two-tier system: first class AR and second class AR. I agree with those who noted it might be more effective to purge those that are inactive, or those who have not generated blogs.

I participated in a networking group, face-to-face. To maintain membership, you had to show up, you had to generate referrals, you had to be active. If not, you were out.
11:35pm • #727
MAR
09
2009
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Hi Andrew - Activerain is still a free site to blog... the only fees you would ever incur, by your own choice of course, would be from those services or products that are provided to members by Activerain, that cost us money as a company to run or provide.  Your disappointment may only be attributed to your possible lack of understanding of Activerain and how it all works here. Understanding the usefulness of these many tools, services, and member benefits, might help you remove the psychological barrier.  I'm here to answer any questions you may have, or help you in any way I can.  That's just another additional service and value provided to our members at no cost to them or you. 

You can thank CEO, Jon Washburn for that, I'm sure glad he hired me!!  I do love this job, and plan on being here till I retire. 
(...and that's another 50 years!!  lol~)
12:25am • #728
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Karen - I actually had to take a couple aspirin myself, then I caught myself looking for a calculator to actually check....   haha haha
12:28am • #729
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Guys...believe me...I HAD to use a calculator to figure this out..... =-)

I STILL do NOT believe the post that said we make a measily $10.00 per hour.....

Think of the benifits of being able to find GREAT deals for yourself to invest in via the MLS...THAT alone is worth a LOT of money!!

=-)
1:46am • #730
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Brad,

I think you missed my point.

As noted in the explanation of the new fee structure, AR members incurred no fees. AR members' posts were accessbile by other AR members and the general public alike.

With the new fee structure, AR members' posts are accessible only by members, IF that AR member joined AFTER a Feb 2009 date. AR members who joined PRIOR to the Feb 2009 date AND who had a blog, have posts that are accessible to both members AND the public.

Now, there is a two-tier member structure. 1) Those who were members prior to a Feb 2009 date who have a blog, and 2) those who joined after that Feb 2009 date. The persons in the first group have unlimited free access to AR, while those in the second group have limited free access to AR.

I'm not ignoring the point that there are costs to the AR site.

What was the problem, if any, that resulted in this solution?

Thanks,

Andrew
10:32am • #731
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Hi Andrew - the new fee structure in place is only offered to new AR members who sign up and only if they choose it.  Yes, the existing members were "grandfathered" in.  Your summary is accurate as was explained in this post. 

There was no problem that resulted in this solution.  We will continue to offer free (but limited) access to new members, then they can make the choice to upgrade to the rainmaker account once they see the value and find the need to upgrade. 

I'm glad you're not ignoring the point that there are costs to running this network, if it were FREE for us, and all of us could work as volunteers, there would be no need for new members to incur a fee to enjoy the value and benefits of this network. 

Those who helped build this community have earned their status as "founders" and have benefited from their time, hard work and efforts.  If new members want to join and get on that same wagon and enjoy the benefits and rewards the others have worked so hard to build, we think this option and solution is fair.  Thanks.
11:44am • #732
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Brad...

I couldn't have said that better myself. We built it now they will come :)

TLW...ROAR!
5:14pm • #733
MAR
10
2009
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TLW - Oh I'm sure you could have!!  LOL~ 

...and a fine job building you have done here...yes, they will and are coming. 

I think you were the 2nd Blog post I ever read on AR, the first was Jeff Dowler.  You both made more of an impact and impression on me as a new member than you will ever know.  For that, I am truly grateful.

Enough bubble blowing here, crack that whip and help BB get those homes listed and SOLD!! 

Luv both ya'll!!  MWA!
4:04pm • #734
MAR
12
2009
1 Featured Post Hit Router

Well now AR is up to 138,736 so it sounds like the changes haven't hurt.  Best to you and like many I'm very glad to be amoung those "grandfathered" and I never thought I would say that :-)

 

Pleasure to speak with you Brad.  thanks again,  Karen
5:19pm • #735
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Hi Karen - I'm happy to report that AR is still growing, full speed ahead.  Nice to know that these changes may have even increased our memberships.  I'm Looking forward to being here for a long long time, and I hope we continue to grow in size and quality.  When the Real Estate Market does turn around, and it will everywhere, there will be enough content on AR to feed the entire world.  :-)  We are approaching our 1,000,000th post. 
7:57pm • #736
MAR
13
2009
1 Featured Post

Having reviewed the posts and speaking with people outside the AR community, here are some additional thoughts.

There are some number of existing AR members who were grandfathered in and thus do not have to pay the fee for an outside blog and consumer access to their blog.

Of those existing AR members, founders I believe is their title, some number of them think the $29 / month fee is reasonable. Some number of other members have noted that AR has been of value to them, but not to the tune of $29 / month.

It is hard to monetize these benefits.

Everyone outside AR with whom I've spoken, entrepreneurs / self-employed, have said $29 / month is too steep. For frame of reference, I don't pay $348 / year for membership in any networking groups or professional organizations.

$10 / month +/- is a more palatable number. This is an amount that doesn't even register on the radar screen for some people. This is a level at which people might be willing to risk the investment in their business.

And, then there is the matter of those who join AR now, people who might work as hard as, or harder, than the founding members to build and sustain the AR community.

Just some more thoughts.
12:31pm • #737
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Andrew - thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts here, we really do appreciate it. Now here comes the word "but", I think the ROI is worth every penny, and only time and facts will prove me right or wrong. 

So far, my bets are that the ROI is going to far out weigh the time it takes to evaluate the investment.  A lunch for 3 can cost more than thirty dollars, but do you not invest in your business and relationships anyway? 

There will always be those who want the most they can get out of anything for free, shoot, I am one of them, but just read my Blog and see what I share the most. My tag word code name on AR is "FREE", so I understand the hesitation. 

To those in hesitation mode or not sure of the cost vs value, you should visit some of these folks on AR.

http://activerain.com/blogsview/934745/ActiveBlogs-Link-Love-and-SEO

The fact is, there are Leaders & Pioneers, then there are followers (once proof is provided), and then there are those who will procrastinate or try to find another way, at any cost (make that at no cost...lol).   This is something we can never change, it's just part of life.

Thanks again for commenting, I appreciate the time you invested in your comment, I know you'll invest that same time into your business too.  Just some thoughts returned my friend.   :-)
2:38pm • #738
MAR
15
2009
204,082 Points 12 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

HI Brad, sorry for the delayed response. We never check off our comments because it gets distracting :)

To answer your questions:

1a your upload is good, download is average

1b) no comment on the consumer contest

2) how's the progress of localism btw, haven't heard anything for 3 weeks now.

3) i'll wait a bit longer, just would like to know what the issue is. if you guys can't get sweatervests then fine just let us know. We'll take anything with the words localism on it at this point. But i do believe we deserve one with your autograph on it. tha'ts the least you can do if we send you to tahiti. :)

4) i think you misread my question. I was referring to the earlier comment you made, a while back, about being able to turn our blog posts into pdf documents for easy print out.  I hope that's still in the works.

in regards to your answer, GREAT IDEA. The ability for us to backup our blog posts in html format would ofcourse be the desired option. Adding this idea to the Suggestion Boxpost

5) sigh, you really should visit our blog more often. i had made a post about it.. here

btw: we have moved our header graphics from all our top 100 listtype posts down in favor of a leading paragraph so you guys have the abiility to feature our posts in the future without causing a lot of white space on the home page.

How was your trip to Socal? Did you guys go to the wedge in newport as i suggested?
8:22am • #739
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I've commented on this a couple of times previously.

I got hooked into the worries issues about money, and left out the other piece: by limiting new members to "Members Only" posts, unless they opt for the moneyed plan, deprives the public / consumers of valuable information. This valuable information is what identifies AR. This is AR's strength.

This is choking off AR's blood supply.

Here is AR's "Weltanschauung:  The guiding principles and philosophy of an organization. A world view." Two of them speak to the importance of not having a two-tiered system, where only certain members' posts are available to the general public without the member paying a fee.

6.    ActiveRain prides itself on editorial independence.  We believe that an open, free exchange of ideas is our primary reason for being.  We are not captive of any point of view or agenda - other than to advance the interests of homebuyers and sellers and real estate professionals.

9.    ActiveRain does not stand on ceremony or hierarchy.  ActiveRain is a two-way street. We believe that a continual conversation with our community is critical to our continued growth and vitality. We are fully committed to incorporating member feedback and ideas to improve ActiveRain. 

-The ActiveRain Team
10:56am • #740
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Andrew - thanks for sharing your thoughts and opinion.  I personally believe it's time to move on my friend, you have the choice to do one or the other, I would just make the choice and get on with it.   I'm glad you are finding and reading some of the posts around the rain, and I have replied to your previous comments here as well.  You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, you are also entitled to your choices, and I honor those as well, but to keep kicking a dead horse is non productive to us.  It is what it is. 

We are not depriving the public from anything here, our members (including the new paying members) provide excellent and informative content to both members here, and to consumers.  Many of them reaping some great rewards and successes.  If you'd like to do the same, just join, and start posting on your Blog.  Enjoy. :-)
11:20am • #741
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Hello Victor -

1.  That's AT&T for ya, can't change it now, their plan includes phone, cable and DSL.  Not switching for now.  :-)

2.  Localism is a huge undertaking and overhaul. Many issues to be addressed. Probably gonna be a while before you see that new release.

3. How about a Letterman Jacket with a BIG AR on the chest?  I'll bring you some swag via my trip to Tahiti!  :-O

4. Love the printable pdf idea, something I'd love to see added, but not sure how you could do that without converting all the comments with it too since they're all on the same screen.  I'll leave that one to the techs to try and figure out.  Great idea though...

5. I do visit your blog quite often (as often as possible) it just gets a bit difficult getting around as the community keeps growing in leaps and bounds. I hope you understand, I am doing my best in the 24 hours I'm given each day.  Really do need that vacation to Tahiti you know.  It's been a year since I've gotten away.  This is also my one year Anniversary coming on board with AR.  I'll be watching the mail for that passport and money order, Tahiti awaits....

BTW - I didn't go to SoCal with the guys, they left me behind to work!   Have a great weekend buddy!!   :-)
11:33am • #742
MAR
16
2009
570,012 Points 120 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I had to stop by and say thank you for responding to me last week!  It was a crazy situation and  you solved it saving my face!  Thank you for being so attentive to your job.

kk

P.S. is this the longest list of comments ever?
11:51pm • #743
MAR
17
2009
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

KK - glad I was available to help out.  You know I'm all about saving members' face!  :-))  Yes, this is one of those "Takes Too Long To Load" posts! lol~ Happy St. Patty's Day!!
2:44pm • #744
MAR
20
2009

$29 a month is too much. I can and do get more for less elsewhere. The outside blog just isn't that great looking. If you ran a special of $99 a year I think you would get a lot of us to sign up. But $348 a year is a non-starter. You will make more money if you lower the price a bit.
1:43pm • #745
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Shannon - thank for your comment.  In my honest opinion though, you may think you "can do and get more for less elsewhere", but in all fairness, you are new to AR and might be comparing something you have no experience with?  Unless you have been a member here for any length of time, how could you possibly know enough to compare this site, the products and services, or even the people to any other site.

Many of our members have customized their Blogs and I have to disagree with your comment, in my opinion, they look really good, and they get traffic and visitors by others who must think they look pretty good too. 

The point I am trying to make is that you may be trying to compare apples to banana's, having never really eaten from the apple.  Just my 2 cents in response.  Don't get me wrong, I'm all about saving money too, but I also believe in marketing and allocating dollars to those expenses which give a good ROI.  I hope you would spend a bit more time here, research our site a bit more, and then make your decision based on due diligence and a fair comparison.  Your opinion is always welcomed here.  Thanks.  :-)
5:03pm • #746
MAR
22
2009

Brad/All,

I've spent about 2 hours reading and have been consumed in thought about this very subject.  WOW!  What you'll get from me here is something to think about.  If I may, I'd like you to envision you are the judge and jury and I am a lawyer trying to persuade you.  I am not going to attack with bitter comments NOR will I attack anyone else's thoughts on this.  I spent over 10 years and traveled to dangerous areas to defend the right to speak in this country.  I submit the following assumptions to my argument:

1)  The AR team has and continues to pour their blood, sweat, and tears into AR.

2)  There is a cost associated with this wonderful service.

I only ask that you consider the following argument towards changing AR's stance on paying a subscription fee so that people can have their words "heard" to consumers:

My first instinct was to go to the "About Active Rain" section of the website.  It states, near the very top, "we don't believe in placing additional barriers between the consumer and the agent."  "In June 2006, we launched Active Rain Real Estate Network, a free social network and marketing platform for real estate professionals.  This network helps agents to create business relationships both within the industry and with the consumers." 

It's obvious that my argument here lies within what the founders of AR set out to do.  I realize that there are costs associated with maintaining this site.  It's also very clear to me that the founders are very passionate about AR.  It's funny, but I am currently reading a book entitled It's Not What You Sell, It's What You Stand For. The book is focused on passion in the workplace.  It's obvious to me that the founders of AR are passionate about it.  How?  You've kept this site free since June of 2006, sometimes paying out of pocket expense (As Bob Stewart stated above).  I hope that it can be kept that way.

I'm sure that if the team puts its collective heads together, it can come up with another way to generate money through the site (Advertisement Dollars).

Trust me, I'm an advocate for AR.  I have told people about it at team meetings and people have checked it out.  I am, however, having a hard time becoming an advocate of signing up for a fee especially since I have not received one referral or have had one client find Michelle through AR.  Heck, I periodically check Google and Yahoo! to find if Michelle's website can be found thanks to Google Juice.  The answer?  Not even the first ten pages.  I have been at this for nearly a year and I can tell you I'm not an idiot.  I have a B.S. degree in Meteorology.  Ever looked at the vorticity equation and describe the components and how it equates to lee side cyclogenesis?  It's scary! (O.K., I was looking for humor there but the B.S. in Meteorology is true).  Bob Stewart said abovr that if someone was using AR and was not successful, than they were doing something wrong and he would personally help that person figure it out.  I would love to take him up on that offer!  Maybe then I can understand the decision for the subscription fee.

Please take the time to consider.

Thanks,

Rich Shull
11:12am • #747
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Rich:   Allow me to add my $ .02 worth....

The first thing would be to determine what key search terms you are targeting. If you do a Google search for Kent Island MD real estate, Michelle's AR profile shows up on Page 1. Therein lies much of the power of AR, the ability for our profiles to rank so well. Every one of your articles should contain the same key search terms you are targeting. Some suggestions:

1. Use geo-targeted terms in all of your articles - "Life on Kent Island MD" or "Local Business on Kent Island MD"

2. Don't put 'From the desk of Rich Shull right at the very top of your articles. The search engine spiders work from the top down, looking for relevance to your content.

3. Use more pictures in your blogs. Consumers like good, relevant pictures, especially ones that showcase your area. Always take your digital camera with you wherever you go, and develop a library of your own local images.

4. Your blog needs more of Michelle. Nothing against your writing. You guys are a team. Balance your posts between the two of you. Allow your unique personalities, passions, and perspectives to come out in your writing.

5. Spice up your profile page. Insert some area pics. It's just a wall of words at this point.

6. Make sure that your articles have some form of a 'Call to Action.' Something that challenges or motivates your readers to take the next step...access your website, etc..

7. The two of you should collaborate on doing a series together, maybe on VA Home Buyers. Take your readers through the entire process, start to finish. You do a post, then Michelle does a post. Generate some really scary good content that is helpful to first time VA buyers.

Hope these suggestions help. I am sure that Bob or Brad have some additional suggestions as well.
11:49am • #748
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@ Rich Shull - I have been on Active Rain for over a year - I post kind of randomly - yet my posts regurlarly come up on the first page of Google for my keywords.  And I am not a techie.

I looked at your blog and profile page (you and Michelle) and you are not SEO optimizing at all.  The links in your posts have no Google value, you are not using keyword phrases, among other things.

Your posts are interesting and informative, BUT, what you are doing wrong is obvious:  You are not reading and learning from AR posts to tell you how to get on the first page of Google and stay there.  And it is easy to do.

I hesitate to put a bunch of links in this comment, but the info is right there with instruction.  Call me or email me, if you are interested, and I will gladly tell you where I learned to get my blog, outside blog and website on the first page of Google.

 
11:56am • #749

Rich - I appreciate your insight...thank you very much.

Virginia - No need to add any links.  There are sooo many!  I have bookmarked Active Brad's posts.  He's a machine!
12:31pm • #750
MAR
24
2009

I should have joined when my associate first invited me...  The best things are no longer free.

4:51pm • #751
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Laurie:   Oh contrare! One of the best things about this community is the interaction with other real estate professionals and the fostering of meaningful relationships/contacts. Get your blogging feet wet - write a few posts, comment on other member's articles, join a few groups...there are many aspects of value here where the only cost is your time.
5:02pm • #752
MAR
25
2009
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Well said Rich, there are many valuable benefits to the AR free membership, and some "super values" that comes with the paid services and tools on AR, but the most value comes from the relationships and business that gets built on AR.  That just can't be bought at any price.  :-)
9:13am • #753
MAR
27
2009
116,015 Points 3 Featured Posts

I do agree that you have a right to make money, but if you are advertising a free site then it should remain free.   That is not to say that you cannot make money, but charging to be able to re-blog is a bit on the ridiculous side.   I missed the cut off by 4 days.  I know if you have a cutoff someone is always going to miss a deadline and not be happy.  I do not know it seems missleading, but I guess everyone has to make money.  I wish it was advertised when you sign up, though so you know what you are signing up for.
10:15pm • #754
MAR
28
2009
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Nicholas - thanks for taking the time to comment.  I think you'll find it is well advertised when new members join AR , and yes, it is FREE.

Take a look for yourself.  Joining AR for free or upgrading to the RainMaker membership are both completely optional, as are all the AR extended services available for our members.  Thanks. :-)

http://activerain.com/action/signup#
11:06am • #755
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Sorry Nicholas - I forgot to add what it says on the "Join Now" page ...

Join ActiveRain and participate in the success of 141,015 of the most forward thinking real estate professionals in the industry.

Sign up with a free account and start networking with the largest online gathering of real estate professionals in the world. Explore exclusive "Members Only" content, learn the ins and outs of establishing an online presence, and make meaningful connections with your peers around the globe.

When you're ready to take your career to the next level, upgrade to a RainMaker account and immediately benefit from exposure to over two million consumer visitors per month and world-class training from industry-leading experts.

 
11:09am • #756
APR
03
2009

Hi i have a question regarding the Active Rainmaker badge. I have read most of the above and i had been a member before the changes took place. However, i don t think i have the badge on my picture. Did i miss anything apart from having been away for a few months?

Thanks!!
1:26pm • #757
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Donata - welcome back!  I went in and updated your rainmaker status, you should have a badge start appearing shortly.  Great to have you back, hope all is well in Toronto.  :-)
1:56pm • #758

HI Brad! - WOW that was FAST!!! I have seen the badge and thought to myself that i must have been out of mind, so i came back here to re-consider my post, and here you are!!

It is great to be back, hopefully work will start flowing again..in Toronto and everywhere else!

Thanks!! have a wonderful weekend!!!
2:42pm • #759
APR
04
2009
514,749 Points 8 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brad-You had finally gotten around to giving me my Active Rainmaker badge but it is gone again. What happened?  Thanks...
5:03pm • #760
APR
05
2009
514,749 Points 8 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Thanks Brad!  Wow you are quick!

  
6:43pm • #761
APR
06
2009
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Can't take all the credit for that one Debra, I think one of the AR staff must have seen your comment and took care of it. 

These guys don't miss a bit around here, even when I'm away for the weekend.  :-)
5:02pm • #762
APR
08
2009
1 Featured Post Hit Router

Hi Brad,  I too had the rainmaker badge and now it is gone.  Can you help another?  Thanks in advance.

I appreciate all your hard work and hope to meet you some day.
6:03am • #763
APR
09
2009
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Karen - your badge should be there now.  Not sure why it mysteriously vanished like that. 

Let me know if that happens again, I'll make sure the support guys are aware of it.  Thanks.  :-)
10:13am • #764
APR
15
2009
194,561 Points Localism Sponsor

Hey Brad,

You can strirrup a conversation!  This post is probably responsible for all the recent signups... lol
6:58am • #765
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Marzena - stir up a conversation? Maybe...  responsible for all the new signups?  Unlikely, but this may be why or have something to do with it....

Top Search Engines Reveal - The Top Real Estate Social Networks
1:45pm • #766

Fair is fair, rules are rules and it is what it is.  When you say the founders are rewarded for the hours and hours of content that has contributed to the success of AR you fail to mention that 20% of the founders are the ones who made AR what it is.  So, the other 80% of the founders are riding on the backs of the 20% but the other 80% contributed by just being members and making a post or two-"Look at our membership, we are a site to be taken seriously", "Look how many members we have so it must be of value".

Because the members who did not use the site like AR deemed appropriate do not get founder status even though they did help make AR what it is today, even if it is a small contribution just like the ones who joined and made one or two blog posts and have done nothing else.

It is AR's site so "He who has the gold makes the rules".
7:55pm • #767
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hey Ross - thanks for your comment.  Regardless of the percentages, ActiveRain is still a place you can learn, grow, connect, and build relationships with others from all over the country and Real Estate Industry. This is all still free to new and existing members of ActiveRain.

Those that were founders were not grandfathered in because of any "AR Deemed Appropriate" issues or matters.  They were grandfathered in because of their efforts both large and small whatever those may be.

Since 2006, AR has been hosting members blogs for free, and we still do, just like yours.

We will continue to have a FREE membership, and in addition will continue to offer paid services so members like you can still have the choice to select what's best for you an what works for you.  We will also continue to provide a platform where members like yourself can benefit from using it to promote yourself, your business, and connect with others.  You don't have to pay for any of the additional services offered by AR, but ALL of them are very beneficial when used correctly.  We not only provide them, we support them and show you how to use them and benefit from them. 

Maybe after you're here a while and see some of the value and benefits of this site, then you'll understand why some of these paid services are worth the cost based on the ROI.  If you have any questions, feel free to contact any of us anytime, we're here and happy to help.  Thanks.  :-) 
8:38pm • #768

Hey Brad - thanks for your reply.  AR did "deem what is appropriate" for use of the site regarding membership.  Membership was not good enough, membership + one blog post.  Membership is a small effort, using your words, which benefitted AR whether you want to admit that or not.

There are founder accounts who have not participated and some who missed the 5:00 AM deadline on 2/16/2009 and still been grandfathered.  You might be right that I find AR worth paying for but only time will tell.

It is what it is, and I will not belabor this point again.  Good luck with getting the founders to talk someone into paying for something they would not.  A person might think that if it was "all that" they (founders) would have sent donations to keep AR alive but that is streching it just a bit.
9:01pm • #769
APR
17
2009
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Ross - I appreciate and respect your opinion, thanks.  It's obvious you are passionate about this issue, and it's evident in your comments.  Many of the enhancements, upgrades and changes to AR come from posts, suggestions, and comments such as yours.  Thank again for taking the time to share, my door is always open should you feel the need to discuss or explore this and other options any further.  Your thoughts, ideas, and suggestions will never be taken for granted on my blog.  Thanks again.  :-)
4:08am • #770
APR
22
2009
Outside Blog

Okay, I'm a bit confused. Is Rainmaker and Localism the same thing? If i post to an outside AR sponsored blog, will my blogs also be visible to the members???
7:58pm • #771
APR
23
2009
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master
Vanna - Rainmaker and Localism are NOT the same thing. A rainmaker account however will let you post to Localism as well as have an outside Blog with your own domain name for it. This is in addition to having your AR Blog you get when you sign up for the FREE standard membership. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me anytime. ;-)
10:09am • #772
APR
26
2009
1 Featured Post

As one who works regularly with seniors, I must admit I've never considered myself to be an "old timer" but I sure am glad that AR defines me as one.

;-)

 

Lori Salzman is owner of Room To Improve, Certified Senior Move Management and Home Staging for Greater Boston. Room To Improve is licensed, insured, and a proud member of the Better Business Bureau.
11:40am • #773
MAY
07
2009

Well, I am disappointed to learn this.  I am new to AR.  I do respect the position of those of you who came on board early.  I just am not sure the value will be there for me to make the financial commitment in this down real estate market. 
12:59pm • #774

Well, I am disappointed to learn this.  I am new to AR.  I do respect the position of those of you who came on board early.  I just am not sure the value will be there for me to make the financial commitment in this down real estate market. 
12:59pm • #775

Well, I am disappointed to learn this.  I am new to AR.  I do respect the position of those of you who came on board early.  I just am not sure the value will be there for me to make the financial commitment in this down real estate market. 
12:59pm • #776

Well, I am disappointed to learn this.  I am new to AR.  I do respect the position of those of you who came on board early.  I just am not sure the value will be there for me to make the financial commitment in this down real estate market. 
12:59pm • #777

Well, I am disappointed to learn this.  I am new to AR.  I do respect the position of those of you who came on board early.  I just am not sure the value will be there for me to make the financial commitment in this down real estate market. 
1:00pm • #778

Well, I am disappointed to learn this.  I am new to AR.  I do respect the position of those of you who came on board early.  I just am not sure the value will be there for me to make the financial commitment in this down real estate market. 
1:00pm • #779

Well, I am disappointed to learn this.  I am new to AR.  I do respect the position of those of you who came on board early.  I just am not sure the value will be there for me to make the financial commitment in this down real estate market. 
1:00pm • #780

Well, I am disappointed to learn this.  I am new to AR.  I do respect the position of those of you who came on board early.  I just am not sure the value will be there for me to make the financial commitment in this down real estate market. 
1:00pm • #781

Yikes! my apologies for the duplication.  i was all frozen up and kept hitting Submit Comment.  Elaine Sternquist Northern California Brokers, Pleasanton CA
1:14pm • #782
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Elaine:   Trust me, there is plenty of value here without paying the monthly subscription fee. There are 3 primary FREE benefits that you derive from your involvement here:

1.   Develop and Foster Potential Referral Partner relationships. For the most part, many of us refer 'out of area clients' in the blind. We don't always know the agent on the other end very well. In my time here on AR, I have cultivated some incredibly deep and meaningful friendships with people I would not hesitate to entrust to my valued clients.

2.   Having access to the sheer wealth of information that is being shared every day. It's like taking a drink of water from a fire hydrant! I have learned more valuable, practical, expert information here on AR that has had a direct positive impact on my business than any number of continuing ed classes I have paid for or traveled to attend.

3.   You are afforded a safe, non-threatening, encouraging environment to get your blogging feet wet and to learn the basics of implementing social media into your business marketing plan.

The cost of having your content crawled & indexed by the search engines, and accessible to consumers is well worth the monthly subscription fee. Very few other platforms can empower you to achieve such excellent page rank as ActiveRain!
3:27pm • #783
MAY
08
2009
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Elaine - looks like you got MAX points for the day on this post!  HAHA!  You've got the click syndrome going on for sure.  lol~  Anyway, Rich addressed your comment(s) as good or better than I could have (Thanks Rich, you rock!)  I think in time you'll find that there is value to both the FREE membership and even more value to the rainmaker membership as it includes everything Rich has mentioned just above.  You can call me anytime if you need help or have questions about your membership here.  Whether FREE or PAID, we want you to get the most out of your time here and we truly want your experience to be both beneficial and valuable.  I'm confident that any expectations you may have from a network like AR will not only be met, they will be exceeded. :-)
10:15am • #784
JUL
08
2009

Sounds good, Where do I sign?

www.whiteinkstudio.com
11:37pm • #785
JUL
13
2009
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Okay...

You have my mind working now. How about Rock-n-Roll Brad? :)

TLW...ROAR!
3:05pm • #786
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Oh btw...

I almost accused you of busting AR again. That was right up until I saw the 7602 comments. That explains the slow load time :)

P.S. So how many comments does it take to bust AR? :)

TLW...ROAR!
3:08pm • #787
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Haha!  Don't you mean Blog-n-Roll Brad?  ROFL....  

BTW - this post takes forever to load due to all the comments and not widgets, are you just trying to get back at me????   hahaha....

it worked!!
3:09pm • #788
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

LOL On Both Counts :)

Blog-n-Roll Brad it is. I love that :)
3:14pm • #789
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I have accessed boatloads of other posts with hecka-more comments on it than this post, and they all load just fine!

All I know is that everytime I access the blog of Mr. Widget-Ho, my computer screen locks up!...
5:34pm • #790
548,980 Points 110 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

LOL @Gracious Rich :)
5:41pm • #791
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Haha @Rich - so the "hidden" widget I have in place just for YOU and YOUR COMPUTER seems to be working just fine then? 
7:43pm • #792
JUL
23
2009
Outside Blog

Whats a blog?
12:18pm • #793
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Michael -great question! :-)

A blog (a contraction of the term "weblog")[1] is a type of website, usually maintained by an individual with regular entries of commentary, descriptions of events, or other material such as graphics or video. Entries are commonly displayed in reverse-chronological order. "Blog" can also be used as a verb, meaning to maintain or add content to a blog.

courtesy of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog
12:50pm • #794
NOV
02
2009
1 Featured Post

AR should only charge those realtors that want to sponsor advertisement links, and little square banners on the right side.  I dont think new realtors will pay the membership, they would probably go to free blogging sites.  Just my opinion.  Keep it free for realtors, just charge for payperclicks, and other ad opps.

-Nelson
12:01am • #795
DEC
07
2009

Brad, Great Answer to whats a Blog!
8:38pm • #797
MAY
25
2010
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

no comments here since Dec. so it seemed like a good idea to leave one!  :-))
9:55am • #798
776,999 Points 53 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Brad:  The LAST thing I want you to feel is "neglected."  So... here I am.  Let's see, now.  Ummm... how are ya ?  How are things ?  Gee, the two of you look way cool in those hats... .

Ummm... Ummm. Pt 2 coming.  Mollie T Cat woke up for a moment... said to tell you HI !  Then, she rolled over and went back to sleep.

Charlie Weaver said to tell you things are swell in Mt. Idy.  He got another one of his infamous "Letters from Mama."  Have you ever even HEARD of Charlie Weaver ?

This type of message is called "stream of consciousness..." although right now, I am not sure I am conscious.

I'm looking forward to a great week here.  Anticipated highlights are watching the Season Finale of "The Good Wife on CBS tonight (Tuesday.)  It's gonna be good.

Second and last anticipated highlight of the week... this Friday night at 8 PM Central time... ... is the Season Finale of STARGATE-Universe.  Great new show.  Ooops... I forgot.  A week from Friday, not this coming Friday.

Well... with that second anticipated highpoint having just disappeared... that means only one thing.  After "The Good Wife" tonight... my week is over.  I mean... talk about an exciting life, huh ?

I know.  I'll turn this comment into a post.  That'll help.

OK... I think I'm done now.  Hope you liked the update.  See what happens when you complain about not getting an email since December ?  Mollie T and I come to the rescue.  What more could I guy need?

So you... and wifey too... have a great week.  Take care...

                                                                                                           May 25, 2010
11:08am • #799
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Karen - thanks for sharing your "stream of consciousness" and the update. lol~ 

Hope you have a great week too!!  :-)
11:44am • #800
306,139 Points 17 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Called Shot Master

Hi Brad - Wow - 800 comments now -

I "Liked' it -

 
12:32pm • #801
JUN
08
2010
Attended Rain Camp

I can't see agnets paying $39 a month, sorry. There was a rumor about Facebook starting to charge a $14,95 monthly fee which led to someone starting a 'no facebook fees or I'm leaving' type of fanpage that had over a million subscribers in about a day. This will be interesting to see if AR continiues to grow at such a fast pace. 
8:14am • #802
JUN
30
2010
4 Featured Posts Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Interesting - My first post here in Active Rain was in May of 2007 and been a member for a while prior to that. Just got a message from Aaron that consumers are not able to see my account or posts unless I start to pay $39 per month. Gave me a nice coupon code for $1 for the first month which was nice but what happened to grandfathering in members? You say were grandfatherd here and that was also what we were told at the recent Denver rain camp....
10:47am • #803
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Bruce - The Grandfathered members were those who were active on the network before the change over. I reviewed your Blog on ActiveRain and it appears you have only written two blog posts in the past 3 years.  That's not really what we would consider an "active" member and to be honest, in most cases would mean you were probably no longer in the business or at least not participating in the AR community. 

Having said that, if you are now considering becoming active on ActiveRain, Aarons discount promo might be something you'd want to consider.  The value and ROI for the small investment made to be a RainMaker is one I'm sure you'll find very beneficial.  Of course you will need to post to your Blog on a more regular and consistent basis to get the results that most of our successful members experience. I would suggest maybe 2-3 per week at a minimum.

If you have any questions or need any additional assistance, please feel free to contact me directly at brad@activerain dot com. Thanks.
11:23am • #804
4 Featured Posts Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Thank you Brad,

Looking at the social aspect of blogging I am sure that you realize that there are more ways to be active in a blogging network. One of those would be in commenting and logging in to show your reading others posts. Interacting with other agents and consumers via comments which is really the back bone of blogging. Look at my history of commenting and logging in and you will clearly see that I am active in active rain.

If the only way active rain considers activity is through blog posts, a warning would have been nice prior to removing my grandfathered status. I thought reading and commenting was also activity in the network. Whether I only posted twice in the last year or not, the ability to post and the ability to have them seen when I do is big.

I would appreciate having my grandfathered status returned. If posting is the only way active rain looks for activity then I will post more frequently going forward.

Thanks
11:58am • #805
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Thanks for the reply Bruce.  There was a blog post posted regarding this a while back, but maybe you didn't get the chance to see it.

You bring up an excellent point and your activities with commenting and interacting with others are to be commended.  Keep in mind that while growing relationships via commenting is a crucial and key component here in the rain, and with blogging, there is equal or greater value in the "Blog Post."  Consumers will find your content and the SEO will help build your business. There is no SEO in commenting, but the relationships you can build and the referral business that comes from it can be phenominal. 

I have reinstated your grandfathered membership and respect and appreciate your professionalism and dimeanor in which you have requested it.  If you need any help or assistance here in the future, my door is always open to you. Thanks.  :-)
12:13pm • #806
4 Featured Posts Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Thank you Brad, Active Rain has always been exceptional in how members are treated and I had faith the right thing would be done. I do pledge to post in my blog more frequently and regularly going forward in order to be active in additional ways.
12:19pm • #807
776,999 Points 53 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Brad:  I must agree with you that being an "active" member of Active Rain should consist of much more than "passively" reading blog posts, and making comments on posts that are already there.  There is no "addition" going on here, in simply reading and commenting.  One must contribute new and original posts... thus making the "base" of Active Rain stronger.  That is also one of the reasons that I write and post as many Active Rain "tutorials" as I do... to contribute... both to Newbies and to Oldbies as well.

One must post.  That is why this entity we speak of is NOT called Passive Rain.  I fully agree with your take on requiring positive and ongoing contributions.  Every post (well, almost every post) adds to the full experience that all of us enjoy here on Active Rain.  And thank you, Brad, for being such a major part of that.  Take are...
12:33pm • #808
AUG
19
2010
1 Featured Post Attended Rain Camp

I am thrilled with active rain as a place to read with other agents and relax with my peers.  I also like to share periodically.  I haven't leveraged active rain like many other agents but as a legacy Rainmaker I am starting to see how powerful Active Rain has become!
8:03am • #809
SEP
03
2010
115,519 Points Outside Blog

What if I attended rain camp, yet don't have my rain camp badge?  ...and am sad about it?!  :p 
6:36pm • #810
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Carissa - you probably want to contact Bob Stewart or Kerrie Greenhalgh so they can get that corrected for you.  If you run into a dead end, you can also contact support@activerain.com and they should be able to get someone to fix that for you. 

PS. DON'T BE SAD, the badge is no where near as valuable as the content you received at RC, at least that's what I hope!  lol~
7:58pm • #811
DEC
07
2010
161,104 Points 1 Featured Post

am I missing something? I just tried to post a blog post and I can only do members only or associates posts. I thought nothing was going to change for founding members. I have been here and posting since 2007. Can you please let me know what I'm doing wrong?


Thanks

Joe
11:12am • #812
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Joe:  They made another change a while back that, even though you may have been grandfathered in because of when you joined, you are now required to post at least once every 90 days (I think that's the requirement). Obviously, since you haven't posted since May, that would cause you to lose your Rainmaker status. The whole point was to reward those who are actually reasonably 'active' on the network.
1:30pm • #813
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hey Joe - Rich is correct, (thanks buddy) I believe it is still 90 days.  The real benefits of course being the positive results you can get from posting good content regularly and consistently on your blog.  :-)
1:43pm • #814
161,104 Points 1 Featured Post

I suppose I can see the valu eof that rule. I took a 6 month sabbatical from real estate to help my buddy get his construction company off the ground, which is the reason I haven't posted in 6 months. It would have been nice if ActiveRain would have sent me an email or told me about this when they emailed or called soliciting my attendance at Raincamp. I do have 450+ posts over the last 3 years so it's not like I'm a slouch. oh well.

Joe
5:17pm • #815
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hey Joe - I forwarded your comment to Steven Graham here at ActiveRain to re-review your status and hopefully reinstate your grandfathered membership.  You might want to follow up with him here.  AR Staff
6:16pm • #816
161,104 Points 1 Featured Post

Thanks Brad. I appreciate it!
6:29pm • #817
FEB
15
1 Featured Post

Brad, is there anyway you can review mine as well.

I last posted on 8/4, and just found I could only post member-only today.

I have been away from both the business and AR because I had a baby, and then have been traveling back and forth between my home and my parent's home while my dad is undergoing cancer treatment. If things go well, he'll be done with that in March or April, and I want to sort of "gear up" the blog again to be ready to go back into business once I am home again for the long-term. Thank you.
2:57am • #818
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Raine - contact Steven Graham at ActiveRain and see if they can work something out for you.  You'll find his contact info at http://activerain.com/about.  Tell him I sent you and explain the situation, I'm sure something can be worked out. Good luck. :-)
2:12pm • #819
1 Featured Post

Brad, I will do that. thank you for your help.
8:36pm • #820
FEB
26
Attended Rain Camp

Brad,

Not sure if it is too late to consider grandfathering my rainmaker status as well. This has been on my mind for awhile. I have been a member since 2008, and responded to many posts. I have written a few blogs as well. I went to raincamp when it came to Boston, and was very excited to attend and learn more about AR with the intent to get more involved. Soon afterwards my rainmaker status was taken away. I did not get any notice about the changes. Previously I did not post for a few months for personal reasons, but did not realize what the new rules were. So I stayed away from AR, visiting once in a while,  but I really miss it. As you can see by the late date I am posting this, it is still on my mind. I googled to find this post. I am perplexed as to how I could have followed the rules, if I didn't know what the rules were. I am willing blog much more frequently and become a contributing member.  Thanks for any help you can give me.
8:46pm • #821
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Donna - I forwarded your comment onto Kerrie and Bob here at ActiveRain, hopefully they can work something out with you. :-)
9:10pm • #822
JUN
27
123,265 Points 8 Featured Posts Outside Blog Hit Router

I too have been a long time Rainer that feel off the wagon for a while.  I had logged on a few times back in the spring and prior to that had trouble logging on with my password and just didn't make the effort to get things reset.  I am trying to go back to what I know, what worked for me before, and naturally I went back to Active Rain!  However, I was called and told I will get a limited two month membership for $1 and then if I continue blogging and want things to be seen publically and use the localism feature I will now be charged monthly.  This isn't a fee I am ready to absorb right now but I really wanted to get back active with my blogging.  Ive written many blogs and even had three featured.  Disappointing that taking some time off is now making me decide if I want to pay monthly to keep my rainmaker status. 
10:32am • #823
493,587 Points 222 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Sherri:  I think the folks at ActiveRain have done an admirable job of transitioning from a totally FREE site, to what it is now. You can still participate for free, but obviously your content will not be searched or indexed by the search engines. You'll just have to decide whether your investment here is worth the return. 
2:18pm • #824
628,015 Points 313 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Hi Sherri - I think it is a worth while investment, but ultimately you'll have to decide if this is right for you or not. 

As Rich said, you can still do alot here for free, but the SEO and target clients you might be trying to reach will require a rainmaker membership in the long run.  If I can help you out in any way, feel free to let me know?  :-)
3:12pm • #825

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