Yesterday on Yahoo Finance, this article appeared on the home page.  The article lists 15 reputable companies who, "might not survive 2009."  (read half way down the page to get to Realogy's write-up)  Realogy is the parent organization of top brands including Coldwell Banker, Century 21, ERA, Sotheby's and the newly formed (and certainly underperforming, mostly due to timing) Better Homes.  It's interesting that very few articles regarding the Realogy financial troubles even mention Better Homes. 

Realogy's struggles have been well documented.  You can Google "realogy bankruptcy" and find close to 11,000 results.  Times are definately tough and it seems even tougher for the largest of companies.  My firm, Real Living, sold Realty One (about 1,200 agents) in October to Howard Hanna, a Pittsburgh base brokerage.  This move for us while at first seemed negative (mainly due to how fast we were growing and the sale marked our growth going the other direction) has been an extremely positive event.  Our debt is now $0, our employees and resources are more focused than ever, and frankly there is less negativity as Cleveland is one of the most difficult real estate markets in the US.  It is like a weight has been lifted, truly.  I'm beginning to feel quite differently today than I did just 12-18 months ago... small is the new big in today's economy.  The bigger you are the more problems, less focus and higher the stakes. 

It'll be interesting to see what happens with this continuing Realogy saga.  I certainly don't wish ill will on any competitor and hopefully this mess will not lead to....

                                                   

 
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The ink of that article was barely dry when we recieved an e-mail from our broker on this news. It will be an interesting year.

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So is that more of the reason that c21 stopped their tv ads?

9:17am • #2

OH NO, not Six Flags! Wow, times are changing!!

9:19am • #3
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Ellie-

I'm certain all "in the know" brokers/managers distributed this propaganda.  And, yes, very interesting times.   

 

 

9:25am • #4
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I understand what it's like in the Cleveland market. My wife and her family are from Hudson, OH.

It doesn't surprise me to see these companies on the list. For years they did not do a goob job of managing overhead.

9:34am • #5
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What was interesting to me is that in the article on Yahoo under the sub-head of Realogy they did not Mention C-21.  Coldwell Banker and ERA but not C-21. Just curious.

9:42am • #6
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Realogy's seperate divisions makes about as much sense as the way General Motors has run itself into the ground with all of it's different brands. You can change the trim on the car, but underneath your Pontiac is basically the same as your neighbor's Chevy. I hate to think of all the Realogy agents that could be hurt by this news. But a seller may need to consider this before listing with a Realogy company.

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Mark-

Thanks for the comment.  To your point, I also don't see Sherry and Alex electing to share a ride and roll to Mid-Year NAR from Parsipanny to DC in a hybrid either.  The glory days are over, fun to talk about and reminisce, but today's a new day... Operate accordingly. 

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Why did Yahoo not say Century 21?  Omission?  I don't know Century 21 HomeStar but I get spam from them:

"Largest Century 21 Office in Ohio  &  Top 10 in the World
CENTURY 21:  8,000 Offices / 143,000 Agents / 60 Countries
CENTURY 21 HomeStar:  Over 225 Agents in Northeast Ohio & Columbus"

their claims of bigness be made me think of your "small is the new big in today's economy"

Northeast Ohio & Columbus?

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Maureen-

I'm certain omitting C21 was a minor oversight in the article.  I'd still consider the C21 office you reference small but trying to look big by flexing the 300 lb gorilla muscles of Realogy.  Send the person who is spamming you the Yahoo link.  Tell them your firm, Real Living is free of any/all bank debt and building for the future.  It'd be intersting in this environment  to learn who else can make that claim. 

12:40pm • #10

We disagree completely with the inclusion of Realogy on such a ridiculous and subjective list that originated as a blog post but is now masquerading as a "news report" elsewhere on the Internet. As of January, there were 88 other companies with the identical Moody's Speculative-Grade Liquidity rating as Realogy. Our company has the best brand networks and the most successful brokers and agents along with the most seasoned management team and the best employees in the industry.

Although Realogy is currently in a quiet period pending the release of our fourth quarter 2008 earnings results in March, I would like to address a number of fundamental truths about Realogy that were clearly not taken into consideration in this flawed analysis:

  • During the past several years Realogy has moved aggressively to mitigate the impact of the economy on our company. We have successfully reduced our overhead by more than $350 million and continue to focus on maximizing the effectiveness of our cost structure.
  • As we have focused on costs we have been equally focused on growth. In spite of the woes of the housing market we have made great progress in advancing our company. From new franchise sales to the retention of the top-tier brokers and sales associates to signing new clients across all of our business units, we continue to be forward thinking and highly focused on the future of our company and the industry.
  • In 2009, we expect to benefit from considerably lower interest rates since a significant portion of our bank debt is tied to LIBOR;
  • None of our corporate debt is due until at least 2013; and
  • Unlike many companies in today's economy, we have the support and commitment of one of the best financed private equity firms in the country, Apollo Management. Private equity funds managed by Apollo Management and co-investors originally invested $2 billion in Realogy so clearly Apollo has a substantial ongoing interest in the success of Realogy. If there is any question as to Apollo's overall financial strength, one need only look to Apollo's success in raising approximately $15 billion in capital last month for its newest investment fund.

In summary, your readers who take the time to do their own due diligence should recognize that Realogy is one company that will survive in 2009.

Mark Panus
Senior Vice President of Corporate Communications
Realogy Corporation

Mark Panus
1:36pm • #11
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Mark-

Thanks for adding a comment and relaying your position - very informative.  When you are the 300 pound gorilla, there is always a target on your chest bud.  With great size comes the great need to play defense.   

3:20pm • #12

Coldwell Bankewr will continue to provide top quality service. It doesn't really matter if REOLOGY or any of the corporate veils survive, the names Coildwell banker, ERA and C0-21 will continue to be represented by high caiber agents in all markets who will continue to work from their markets as their brand is owned by another investor. I haver worked for three different companies from the same desk in 12 years. MY ability to professionaly interpret the market and ethicly represent my clients needs will survive longer than the corporations that I use for support. 

CB Dave
7:00pm • #13
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As im reading this I said to myself, When is someone from Realogy going to chime in...I am sorry for this statement however from what I see in my area, it's the small mom and pop Realty Firms that I would be afraid to list with...i dont want anyone to go out of business.

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Thank you Mark Panus, SR.VP of Corporate Communication of  Realogy Corporation for setting the Record Straight!! I find it positive and great  to know, that everyone is Reading our Blog Posts, hence when someone writes bogus information it is rectified or at least addressed. Just like the Newsmedia should be set straight when they write bogus information. (No offense meant Chris). By the way I am a Realtor at the Beverly Hills South office of Coldwell Banker, which happens to be either the second or third largest producing office in the NRT network of families.

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Of course i hope everyone survives (including me). I recently left a realogy company, Century 21 All Islands, to work for a smaller brokerage, with a much better internet play. In this economy, we must be mindful of expenses, and yet do what we can to gain market share. Smaller more virtual companies can level the playing field with good SEO and internet marketing. That's what we do. All the big names will have a problem if they don't shift their paradigms.

 

Aloha from Kauai...

8:25pm • #16

Thank you Mark for responding to this post and clearing up any rumors or misunderstandings! 

I work for the Newport Center office, the #1 office of all Coldwell Banker offices and am very proud to work for CB, NRT, Realogy as an agent.  

I will continue to work as hard as I can in this and every real estate market.   I think the best defense is - for us is to roll up our sleeves, put ourselves in front of as many prospects as possible, do a great job for our current clients, conduct our business in the most ethical way to ensure integrity for our industry and continue our education so we can provide the best information to our local markets.

 

 

 

Pamela Howland
8:53pm • #17

In addition, it is not "Game Over" for Coldwell Banker or NRT!  Be assured of that!

Pamela Howland
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Don't tell me KRISPY KREME -- no more HOT N NOW signs.  I am already going through withdrawal

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"I hate to think of all the Realogy agents that could be hurt by this news. But a seller may need to consider this before listing with a Realogy company." ~ Mark Brian (Silver Star Real Estate LLC)

That is quite a statement! I would love to hear your thoughts on why a seller may need to heed this "credible" news source before listing? It might be worthy to note that not everything posted on the internet that appears to be a "news article" actually is. Hopefully, sellers will be smart enough to know the difference.

10:01pm • #20
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Liz, sellers may read this article and then using google find this or this or this or this. There were many blogs discussing Realogy's problems but I tried to only link to more well known and reputable sources. I always take whatever the media says with a grain of salt, especially when it has to do with real estate.

Not sure I see Realogy folding, but I wonder how/why they ran up the amount of debt they have. Please do not take anyone's concerns about the future or stability of Realogy as aa attack against one of the biggest corporations in real estate. Just relaying information, and it was nice to see Mark Panus give a rebuttal to these claims.

If I were to buy a new car today, it would not be made by a corporation that has been begging the government for money and is struggling to survive. Might be comparing apples and oranges, but you can see my point.

11:05pm • #21

Below are excerpts from Parent trap trips Corcoran: Once called 'Daddy Warbucks,' Realogy now seems a liability (Real Deal - 2/10/09) are quite relevant to this topic. Contrary to the Realogy PR, the news is not good. Although the possible demise of Realogy doesn't mean that the C21, Coldwell Banker, Corcoran brands won't survive -- albeit, under different corporate structures. 

Apollo's purchase of Realogy is threatening to turn into a similar mess. Realogy, with struggling subsidiaries in depressed housing markets all over the country, has registered $209 million of losses in the past three quarters. The company announced on Nov. 13 that it is at risk of violating the terms of its bank loan.

In December, Realogy's credit rating was downgraded by Moody's Investors Service to Caa3 from Caa2, meaning it's "likely to go into default in the next 12 months," explained John Rogers, a senior vice president at Moody's. Meanwhile, S&P also dropped Realogy's corporate credit rating to CC/Negative (with D being the lowest), indicating that "Realogy has a very high probability of default," Wong said.

Realogy's total liabilities were $9.875 billion as of its September SEC filing. The lawsuit estimated that Realogy's liabilities exceed its assets by somewhere between $3 and $7.3 billion, depending on the trading prices of its different categories of debt. The suit argued that the attempted debt exchange would only "delay what now appears to be the inevitable failure of Realogy."

If Apollo allows Realogy to go into bankruptcy, as it did with Linens 'n Things, Realogy would likely be restructured, which may include some of its companies being sold, rather than liquidated, said Donald Wong, the director of corporate ratings at Standard & Poor's.

11:23pm • #22

The curse of the Chinese, may you live in interesting times.

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Realogy Brand Friends-  Please don't take these comments and post defensively.  I don't believe anyone (myself included) is discrediting or attempting to discredit the ethics of Realogy agents or the strength of the brands that have been built.  You guys are the 300 lb gorilla many look up to, therefore the news and chatter is big (and loud).  It is difficult for anyone in the industry to ignore and not discuss what is going on.    

As I mentioned in the post (11,000 results from Google) and Mark Brian pointed out further with specific links, there are several, in fact thousands, of articles from credible and non-credible sources floating around on this topic.  There will certainly be more articles, news stories, blog posts, etc. on this topic to come. 

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Wow, good post thank you for the info.  Everyone is certainly floundering in this challenging economy.  But I think Mark Panus came out swinging!  Hope you ducked!

Gerry Vazquez has got some good points there!

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Here is more...  Read this US News blog article where they printed Mark Panus' post and see comments.  Some excellent points and questions are brought to the surface in the commentary.  Mark's section is not much different (in fact the same) as he posted above. 

10:04am • #26
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I have an IDEA.... lets be done with this negativity. The more there is, the more we all pay...it is simple.

This morning i had the pleasure to listen to Robert Kraft on XM. He said we need to bring back confidence, confidence in us and WASHINGTON. The banks need to stop freezing funds NOW...

With all this negativity going on, and we keep spining it....how can this be accomplished?...

Century 21, Remax, Coldwell, Long and Foster...Mom and Pop Realty...we all have a place...lets move forward now.

It seems to me their is negative play here against the big guys... thats the way im reading all of this. We are ALL in this MESS together, lets get out of it together.

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It's a good time to be an independent borkerage. Hopefully good things pan out for them. Thanks for the article.

10:31am • #28
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Dave-

There is no negative play against the big guys intended here...  My point was that there is louder and more frequent chatter when it involves a big guy (e.g. 11,000 google results).  Dialogue about topics such as this one, in the Realtor/non-consumer AR venue, can be healthy and educational. 

Additionally, blogs like this one will ultimately have zero impact on the banks abilty to freeze or unfreeze funds.  However, I certainly agree and am hopeful that an unfreezing of capital will occur soon. 

10:34am • #29

Were we just "shushed"? Man, do I hate it when people do that.

Anyway, it's strange and irresponsible for professionals in this industry not to want to know about the bad news -- especially in this market. Critical assessments of corporations are done everyday in the financial markets. While individual companies may not like what is written about them, the very future of the industry depends on it. The feedback should spur those that care about the brands to make corrections.

Also, lots of smaller firms have disappeared in the last few years - and more will likely fail as the full brunt of this cycle is felt in the coming months. I suspect a good number of the brokers here were w/firms that no longer exist. Markets are always cruel to the weakest players-- and recessionary markets are especially cruel.     

BTW: A hugely over-leveraged entity w/an ackward gameplan is not good play--whether in good or bad times.

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...I know about the bad news... i do alot of short sales. It is sickening.

BTW, YOU should be a news reporter... enjoy your doom and gloom....

Im saying as Realtors we see it first hand...all the time...negative attitudes get negative responses...

Chris... i certainly agree that this blog has no impact on the economy... and i do understand what you are saying but im simply stating Realtors know conditions better than anyone..i guess when i see a post about a big player in the business coming from a smaller entity in the business it just seems like a swipe. How can anyone of us sell a home with a negative perspective?

 

12:21pm • #31

I can understand how the poor financial straits of a company can be taken personally by those vested in the enterprise. I suspect that part of the reason why short-sells are "sickening" is because of the pain felt by those vested in the home that's being lost. But Realogy is effectively an upside down concern -- just like the homes being sold as shortsells. As a good agent, you can only serve your clients well with a full understanding of their "negative" financial circumstances. But that doesn't mean that all homeowners are in equally dire straits.

After the outrageous bubble, the industry is contracting. People here are being nice, but be sure that existing competitors--as well as those planning new ventures better aligned w/the times--are seeing opportunities.

12:51pm • #32

Chris

 

Great post.  This is what I love about Blogging.  This gets people in our industry to wake-up and engage in dialogue.  Keep up the good work!

 

 

Steve Gutierrez (AlignMark)
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Yes Gerry...you got that right. I agree with your statement and ESPECIALLY the last sentence.

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Mark Panus came out swinging? WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Every big corporation has a VP of Communications whose sole responsibility is to mitigate any bad press, regardless of truthfulness. Just look at press releases from 6-12 months ago from companies that are now begging for bailout money. Of course Mr. Panus will copy, paste ad post the bullet points that have been rehashed and authorized by marketing, legal, and every other VP sitting at the conference table at 1 Parsippanny Dr. !!!! It's pure corporate marketing! He talks due diligence??? Let's look at what he said a little more carefully: 

 

  • During the past several years Realogy has moved aggressively to mitigate the impact of the economy on our company. We have successfully reduced our overhead by more than $350 million and continue to focus on maximizing the effectiveness of our cost structure. *****LET'S LOOK AT THE "PAST SEVERAL YEARS" IN LATE 2006 REALOGY AGREED TO BE ACQUIRED BY APOLLO FOR $7-8 BILLION. APOLLO PUT APPROX $2B, WITH REALOGY ASSUMING THE BALANCE BY ISSUING BONDS, DEAL CLOSED IN MID-2007, AND IN MARCH OF 2008 HAD TO ISSUE MORE DEBT JUST TO PAY OF THE EXISTING DEBT. THEN IN LATE 2008, TRIED TO CONVERT $1.5B IN BONDS TO $500M - AND GUESS WHAT, THE BONDHOLDERS (CARL ICAHN) SUED IN DELAWARE COURT AND THE JUDGE RULED THAT REALOGY'S ACTIONS WERE NOT LEGAL. FACT: REALOGY CAN'T MAKE THE INTEREST PAYMENTS ON EXISTING DEBT. REDUCING OVERHEAD BY $350M IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET!
  • As we have focused on costs we have been equally focused on growth. In spite of the woes of the housing market we have made great progress in advancing our company. From new franchise sales to the retention of the top-tier brokers and sales associates to signing new clients across all of our business units, we continue to be forward thinking and highly focused on the future of our company and the industry. THIS STATEMENT IS BASICALLY A TV COMMERCIAL, ADVERTISING TO LOOK GOOD. NO HARD DATA, NO FACT TO EVALUATE. BEING FORWARD THINKING AND HIGHLY FOCUSED DOES NOT PAY THE BILLS. COUNTRYWIDE, LEHMAN, THEY ALL "TRIED HARD" DO SOME REAL, DEEP, RESEARCH. THEIR INVESTOR CALL IN MARCH WILL SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS, BUT AS A PRIVATE COMPANY THEY DONT HAVE TO RELEASE ANYWHERE NEAR AS MUCH AS A PUBLIB COMPANY.
  • In 2009, we expect to benefit from considerably lower interest rates since a significant portion of our bank debt is tied to LIBOR; GRANTED, AS WILL NEARLY EVERY BORROWER ON THE PLANET. AND THE DEFINING STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE TO REALOGY IS? THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM IS THE PRINCIPAL, NOT THE INTEREST! THIS IS LIKE AN OBESE PERSON CLAIMING THAT THEY WILL LOSE WEIGHT BY GOING FROM 50 BOWLS OF FROSTED FLAKES A DAY TO 50 BOWLS OF CORN FLAKES.
  • None of our corporate debt is due until at least 2013; and INTEREST PAYMENTS ARE STILL DUE, AND IF THIS ISN'T A PROBLEM, THEN WHY DID REALOGY ATTEMPT AN "END RUN" AROUND IT'S BOND-HOLDERS? 
  • Unlike many companies in today's economy, we have the support and commitment of one of the best financed private equity firms in the country, Apollo Management. Private equity funds managed by Apollo Management and co-investors originally invested $2 billion in Realogy so clearly Apollo has a substantial ongoing interest in the success of Realogy. If there is any question as to Apollo's overall financial strength, one need only look to Apollo's success in raising approximately $15 billion in capital last month for its newest investment fund. APOLLO LET LINENS'N THINGS CLOSE UP SHOP. I WOULD SAY ENOUGH SAID, BUT PLEASE DON'T BE FOOLED BY CORPORATE-SPEAK. IN DEFERENCE TO MR. PANUS, HE HAS TO SAY THESE THINGS. IT'S HIS JOB. THE TOP BRASS MUST FIND WAYS TO PROJECT SOME POSITIVES, BUT IN THIS THOSE ARE FAR OUTWEIGHED BY THE COLD, UNCOMFORTABLE FACTS.

Of course Realogy won't issue a press release talking about how the value of their bonds are nearly worthless, they won't talk about losing a court case by trying to cut their debt by two-thirds by a disallowed transaction. Hwever, analysts and reputable publications, i.e. Wall Street Journal, will give all of us a far more accurate pucture than the marketing department of said company.

 

Stephen Hollingsworth
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Whats your point? You want them to fail...? We see more failure, we may never recover....

1:00pm • #36

I don't think the average person has ever heard of Realogy and if they have that don't know the companies that it owns. Do you really think if you are an agent that works for one of these companies that a client will say," I'm not working with you because Realogy is going bankrupt".  If any real estate company goes belly up it is bad for all of us, because it means there aren't many homes selling. Lets hope this thing gets turned around before we are all looking for new jobs.

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Chris,

Thanks for being objective in your post. In times like this it doesn't matter if you are big or small, we must all work together to support not just ourselves but the industry as a whole. Only focus on what you can control... behind the scenes at Realogy there is a team of people whose only job right now is to try and help companies within our network that are failing. That help is coming  in many different ways, and for many it will mean the difference between success or failure in the months to come. As we come out of this, the heroes will be the companies who right sized their operations to succeed. The losers will be those who stood by and criticized the actions of others. Continued to success to you...

Sherry Chris
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An informative post, Chris.  I thought the stories of the other imperiled companies was interesting, too.

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Hi Chris,  This is an interesting article.  When one of us suffer or seems in toruble it reflects poorly on our whole industry.  I hope that all our competitors make it through this tough market.  I hope we will all continue to support one another in a fair minded competitve nature.

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This is an older Blog, but Realogy's Q1 results came out earlier this month  <www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1355001/000119312509108447/d10q.htm> and I'll use this more recent info to make some observations - particularly since none of the leading financial media (WSJ, Bloomberg, NYT, Barron's) seem to have done any analytical reporting on it.

1.) A reflection of investor confidence is that Realogy's notes (fixed rate senior, senior toggle, and senior subordinated) are valued at a fraction of their carrying amount (28%, 18%, and 17% respectively per the latest 10-Q, pg. 12).

2.) The first quarter 2009 commission volume (for Realogy's franchise companies & owned brokerages combined) was down some 30% vs. Q1 2008 (pg. 40).  

3.) On 3/31/09 Realogy had negative net worth of $997mx (vs. a neg. $740mx on 12/31/08.)  When I was in business school (way back in the dark ages when a company's Balance Sheet received no less attention than its Income Statement) we called this "insolvency". I'm not sure what descriptive term is used in today's more sophisticated world... perhaps it's called "forward thinking".

4.) At the end of Q1 2009, Realogy reported a Current Ratio of 54%: Current Assets of $1.338 billion and Current Liabilities of $2.484 billion. 

5.) Realogy's Mr. Panus points out that Realogy has reduced overhead and is focusing on its cost structure. This is fine as far as it goes, but it may be noted that Realogy reports a first quarter Total Expenses reduction of 24.5%, vs. 2008, but a Net Revenues reduction of 33.7% vs. Q1 2008.  

5.) Mr. Panus's statement that none of their corporate debt "is due until at least 2013" is correct regarding the debt's Principal. However the fact remains that their debt service payments must be made   each   and   every   quarter.

6.) Now in one sense, none of the above weaknesses would critical IF Realogy's near term cash flow situation was favorable. However it's difficult to find satisfactory signs on that.  Their current available cash balance appears to have only been possible because of their $600mx revolving credit facility, which source has now been maxed out. And while Apollo announced in March that they would if necessary step in with an additional $150mx, this amount only represents a single quarter of debt service ($144mx in Q1).             

7.) Given the last two years' trends in Realogy's financials, unless: a.) a substantial & adequate debt restructuring is accomplished, or b.) Apollo is willing to kick in truly adequate additional capital, or c.) an immediate & major shift occurs in the company's underlying business, then it's probable that Realogy will experience "an event of default" sooner rather than later. The company clearly acknowledges this risk in its 10-Q (remarks on pp. 1 & 2.)

8.) This does not mean that Realogy's real estate brands or all their related brokerage companies would disappear - they would not.  But it'd be a major hiccup, and would likely draw more attention to the question of how much support the brokerages receive from corporate on their core business.        

Doug
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Who was that masked man?  and I do not mean to be flip. thanks Doug for the analysis, as merely an observer on Chris's post. That is very interesting and most is way over my head but I get the gist of it. 

Why would "WSJ, Bloomberg, NYT, Barron's" have not done any analytical reporting on it? 

 

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