Prepping for my CNBC appearance tonight forced me to dig into the housing bailout plan in a way that I might not otherwise have found time to do. I find this stuff really fascinating because it's at this beautiful intersection of several of my favorite disciplines: politics, economics and real estate. I majored in Government as an undergrad at Harvard, and studied Economics there as well, so I enjoy playing armchair economist and political theorist every now and then.

 

Here are my thoughts on today's announcement. And let me preface this by saying these are MY thoughts on the bailout plan, not Zillow's official thoughts. (Zillow officially doesn't have an opinion on this.)

 

First, today's plan will NOT turn around the housing market. It WILL somewhat reduce the number of new foreclosures (though I think many people are overestimating the reduction it will cause, considering the fact that it only applies to Freddie/Fannie loans which are only 60% of the market, and it only applies to people with a small amount of negative equity. And it's voluntary.) Reducing the tidal wave of foreclosures is good for home prices because it reduces inventory (or avoids further increases in inventory). This is why I applauded the huge drop in new housing starts announced today.

Foreclosure prevention will somewhat help the housing market stabilize, and it will obviously help the homeowners in question. But if you're looking for a REAL stimulus to the housing market, keep looking. The fact is that two things need to happen before home prices stabilize and start increasing:

1. We need to see stabilization in the labor market. Specifically, employees need to be able to stop worrying about lost wages from underemployment, and unemployment needs to return to the 5-7% range.

There were three pieces of big housing news today: 1) the Obama housing bailout plan, 2) the reduction in housing starts, and 3) the Fed put out a new forecast of unemployement for 2009: 8.8% by the end of the year. Frankly, this third piece of news which was the least reported is probably the most important of the three in terms of impact on the housing market.

2. Homebuyers have to feel confident that we're at or near a bottom. Zillow's research shows that a striking 70% of American homeowners think their home will increase in value or stay flat over the next 6 months. But buyers aren't walking the walk. Credit goes to Brian Brady for calling my attention to this point today. Too many buyers are sitting on the sidelines, not making offers because they don't want to buy too early. We're not going to have a housing market turnaround until those buyers start to make offers, and they're not going to make offers until they feel that we've already hit a bottom.

 

More specifically, here's what I like about today's plan:

- Donald Trump Jr and I agree on this much: it's a good thing that bankruptcy judges will now be permitted to rewrite the terms of mortgages in bankruptcy court. Corporate bankruptcy judges have always been able to rewrite material contracts when companies file for bankruptcy protection -- witness the countless labor contracts for bankrupt airlines that judges have ripped up in bankruptcy. It's about time that personal bankruptcy judges have the same latitude.

Some have argued that this will increase borrowing costs to mortgage holders in the future because the risk associated with a potential loan being able to be negated in court will have to be priced into all loans. Yes, I concede that in theory this is true. So what? It's true of corporate borrowing costs also, in theory, and life goes on. If an individual goes bankrupt, the contract detailing their single biggest liability -- their mortgage -- needs to be on the table for a bankruptcy proceeding to address.

- I like the incentive that the government is giving to loan servicers to try to work out troubled mortgages directly with borrowers. Alex Perriello gave a great speech at the NAR Convention in Orlando imploring the thousands of Realtors in the audience to spread the word among their client list: before you're foreclosed upon, please speak with your lender! Alex said that in between half and 2/3 of all foreclosures, the lender and borrower never even speak to one another. He pointed out that frequently borrowers are embarassed or confused, so they do nothing. The government's actions today -- offering a few thousand dollars to the borrower and servicer for each loan that is modified -- will definitely spark those conversations.

 

 

What I don't like about the plan:

- the part of the plan that I like least is the one that introduces enormous moral hazard on the part of borrowers: it basically rewards homeowners who fall behind on their mortgage by paying them a few thousand bucks to stay CURRENT on their mortgage. I think that creates strange incentives.

- To be honest, the whole dang plan is a little hard for me to swallow because I've always been a believer in free markets: if a foreclosure is meant to happen, or a company is meant to go bankrupt, then let it happen. It's impossible to hold back the tides. HOWEVER, we're living in extraordinary times, and my economic liberterianism is now outweighed by my pragmatism.

 

 

I also have to use this opportunity to point out that on March 23, 2006, I wrote the following post titled "The Tidal Wave Is Coming" on Zillowblog:

"I’m usually a pretty optimistic guy, but I’ve started to see some scary things on the horizon. And I’ve gotta pass it on. Check this out: 9.4% of all mortgage borrowers now have no equity or negative equity in their home, and 29% of new mortgages last year had no equity. $800 billion worth of mortgages owe more than their homes are worth, and that’s optimistic since it assumes no reduction in home values. One study estimates that if home prices fell by 10%, the share of 2005 homebuyers with negative equity would shoot up to 48%. Yikes! What happens when all those interest only mortgages flip from their low fixed rates to a much higher variable rate? A lot of homeowners who bought houses beyond their means a few years ago via low introductory rate ARMs are suddenly going to find themselves unable to pay their new higher mortgage. And guess what? They have no equity in their house. So they’ll have to sell and/or dramatically reduce their consumption. This is a disaster waiting to happen. This analysis says it all: 'Many homes were sold with Adjustable Rate Mortgages in 2003 and 2004. Now, we are seeing more than $2 trillion…of these mortgages coming up for a reset in their mortgage rates. My back of the napkin calculations suggest interest payments are going to eat up at least another $3 billion a month in consumer spending capacity over the next year. In a $12 trillion economy, this is not all that large, but it will suck almost 1/2 of 1% of consumer spending potential out of the economy.'

Sorry to be such a downer, but I’m worried about the impact that this will have on housing prices and more importantly on the overall American (and global?) economy."

 

 

Wow, sometimes I hate being right.

 

 

Update:

Torsten Stok is the macroeconomist at Deutsche Bank. I think he's one of the best. Torsten just put out this research report which basically agrees with my post but is chock full of interesting data and charts.

 

 

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42 Comments on My thoughts on the housing bailout plan

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I left this comment on your previous post, but it seems more appropriate here. I had no idea the percentage was that high of homeowners that never talked to mortgage servicers during foreclosure. Also, excellent point about jobs... unemployed (or even underemployed) people don't buy homes regardless of the interest rates or foreclosure backstops. 8.8% unemployment end of 2009 forecast is astounding.

As I read your post, your tweet this afternoon resounded... You looked around and noted... "Walking thru mall in Boston on way to hotel. Tiffany, Brookstone, Bally, Coach, Armani all empty. Ghost-towns."

9:46pm • #1

Spencer, You definately know what your're talking about, Being an Economist major at Harvard, I just hope you are right for sure

9:53pm • #2
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Spencer,

Let me get this straight.  We have an $8000 tax credit for first time homebuyers.  Assuming they do not have student loans, credit cards debt, a car that is too expensive, and a credit report that looks like a stop light, then they have to have a job that pays enough to meet the basic formulas for a mortgage.  We have foreclosure protection for those that wanted their dream home instead of a starter home and bad decisions and now have problems.  So all in all, we have a small market the $8000 will help and a huge market of foreclosed properties, with no real help for the housing market.  Looks like a well thought out plan to me. 

9:55pm • #3
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It looks like you called a lot of what has come to pass.  Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it's getting better for homeowners.  Hopefully, this will make a difference.

10:02pm • #4

Spencer - a very well thought out and eloquent post.  I agree with virtually all your points.  I wonder how many people will fall behind on purpose now just so they can cash in?

Guy with points of view like yours in Seattle must be hard to find!

Brian

10:07pm • #5
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Zillow might not have an opinion, but I do!  And it is:  I can't stand Zillow!  Hey, that's what Freedom of Speech is all about, right Spencer?  If I had a dollar for every wanna be real estate agent who just knew everything from their mighty resource . . . 'Zillow' . . . I'd be able to assist with some of bailouts of my own  !  Geez, who would have thunk that the information offered to the general public from Zillow  now makes everyone (think they are) a licensed real estate agent.  The Internet has a ton of good information, and a ton of things that turns everyone into an "armchair" something or the other . . . am I right Spencer?  (" . . . so I enjoy playing armchair economist and political theorist every now and then.)  I have no problem with the armchair any one wants to sit in, but when the person sitting in it decides to implant it in my livelihood . . . err, I mean living room, I can get a tad annoyed.

10:08pm • #6

Spencer,

What a great post!! I hope all this bailout does help homeowners, but I have my doubts. I think they would have been better off to give ALL taxpayers a lump sum of money. It would spur the economy very fast.

               Tinker

10:12pm • #7
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Thank you for all of your comments.

 

Carla, I'd love to engage you on whatever it is about Zillow that you "can't stand", but I don't really want the comments on this post to become all about Zillow's merits. If you want to email me (spencer at zillow dot com), I'd be more than happy to talk to you about it though.

10:14pm • #8
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I'll defend Spencer anyday. Regardless of where Spencer is from or who he's employed with, he's a smart guy and freely shares what he knows with no expectation of anything in return. A true Social Media professional.

10:20pm • #9

Tinker, if the government gave us money to spend, most of the products we would be buying are imported from other countries.  The Interstate Highway system that was created during the Eienhower administration helped improve the nations economy during a soft period.  Rebuilding our infrastructure will create jobs and when jobs are plentiful consumer confidence is up and that will get those buyers off the fence.

10:55pm • #10
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The plan has nothing to do with stimulus. It can help a small portion of 1st timers but it cannot have any impact on our economy. Good post!
10:58pm • #11

Been in the R.E. business for 35 years and have never seen anthing like this.  What a mess and the Politicians only thoughts are for Votes.  This new package will help no one (at least in Ca.), only make things worse because they are just stretching this thing out, hoping and wishing things will go away.   They should have put the majority of the 800 billion package in buying down loans to all owner occupied properties.  Can you imagine how many people would go and spend that extra $1,000 per month on stuff.  Every person in the Real Estate industry would be back at work, every person in the building industry  and so on down the line.  The Gov't would be getting tax dollars because  people would be working.  Nah it's not going to happen, to easy and NO Votes in it.  That's my 2 cents worth

Brad Emler
10:59pm • #12
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Im not sure what other plan would work and we have to do something. The Bush recession is killing us.

10:59pm • #13
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Interesting information here. Always interesting to see other poeples thoughts.

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Great post...I share your views on the stimulus plan and the state of the housing market.  It's very sad the way things are panning out.  Greed is being reward and those that have been wise to wait for the bottom will have to wait for years to come...

Thanks for speaking the truth! 

11:17pm • #15

Spencer,

It's good to see someone with insight and knowledge tell us Joe six pack what's going on.  I still believe we can benefit and make an impact on the housing market by positive thinking and purchasing those bank owned properties that are coming on the market.  Everything goes in cycles and we just need to adjust to the current cycle.  Thanks for you insight.

11:22pm • #16
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Spencer:  This is one of the most enjoyable posts I've ever read.   Words are eluding me right now.  Suffice it to say that I am giving you a standing ovation.

BRAVO!

I am your newest subscriber. 

I have just re-blogged this post and the "Sellers are delusional" one.  I will read every one of your blogs tomorrow.   I love your prism!

I noticed that you have not submitted this to any of the groups.  I strongly recommend that you post each one of your blogs to five groups, so more of our members can become acquainted with your views.  Please join our Optimist Group and post this to our members.   It will be an honor to have you there!

Thumbs up!  Way up!

11:23pm • #17
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I read this first on Sara's blog, then came over here to read it again.  It was even better the second time.

 

11:25pm • #18

Excellent insight.  I think that the value of the bailout is similar to when G.W. Bush encourage all americans, to fight terroism by going out and spend money.  in my opinion, President Bush was trying to help revive the stock market and consumer spending decrease after 9-11.  The most important aspect of the bailout is that the consumers of the world think that it will work.  Then it will work.  I have already seen a major shift in people's attitude about the real estate market. 

90% + still have jobs, and there are plenty of people that can afford their home.  I work in Manatee County, one of the hardest hit markets in the country, and the amount of cash deals, and now MULTIPLE OFFERS are increasing dramatically.   Our local market is begining a recovery that I hope Obama and Congress can help with whatever "bailout" is offfered. 

joe murphy
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Interesting reading. I think the housing bailout portion of "the plan" will only postpone the inevitable correction we are currently experiencing. Granted, it will help some first time homebuyers make a move. It really didn't address the issue of banks not maintaining the properties they already own. It did not address the fact that most banks holding these properties do not follow the same rules the rest of us follow in real estate negotiations and transactions. And I imagine that the incentives to encourage banks and consumers to communicate in a timely manner will be misused by a number of people who really don't need it and still leave many people who really could use a break out in the cold.

Unemployment: I don't know how to fix that.

Outrageous credit card fees and interest rates could be regulated but the powers that be chose not to.

The failing health care system in our country cannot be fixed until the insurance companies relinquish their power and put the decision making back in the hands of medical professionals.

Zillow is just another place to connect with home buyers and sellers. I liked the old format better than the new format. Yes, it contains inaccurate information; but only ~50%. The Doomers' conversations are very entertaining. Questions submitted by consumers (potential clients) are revealing and help me understand how I can better communicate with, and educate buyers and sellers.

Our Educational System: perhaps if we paid our teachers more money, gave them more respect, and allowed them to do what they are called to do, we would have adults who knew better than to overleverage the investment that provides them with shelter and protection from the elements. Perhaps we would have people who could help us fix our country. -I love our country; it just needs a few adjustments.

Thank you, Spencer, for starting this stimulating thread. I hope my comment is not too long.

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I believe there is something inherently wrong with rewarding people who, in many cases, bought and borrowed unwisely, failed to meet their obligations, and now expect a rescue at the hands of people who bougt and borrowed wisely and did/do meet their obligations. 

12:18am • #21
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Hi Spencer - Great analysis and well written. From my perspective, this is yet another tool in the tool box that can be used to work on a subset of all the problems that are dragging our economy down. The stimulus bill will address some problems, revising the bankruptcy laws so homeowners can renegotiate their mortgages is another tool. The Stress Test if used properly could identify which banks should be taken over by the FDIC and which banks are economically viable. More tools will be needed including more financial aid to the states. The new administration and the new congress are behind the power curve. They have worked quickly and purposefully however unless they have a miracle up their sleeves it will take years to work our way through the current economic and housing problems.

12:49am • #22

Spencer- I totally agree with the dire need for stabilization in the labor market... this is the absolute key to our ecomomic and housing recovery.  Fantastic post.

2:30am • #23

Spencer

 

I concur with your conclusion that this latest scheme will not turn the housing market around.

In fact, it won't even make a perceptible ripple in the increasing wave of REO's hitting the market, if RealtyTrac's Rick Sharga is even close to correct in his recent assessment that upwards of 70% of the nearly 1 Million bank owned properties they've got listed on their site haven't even hit the MLS's yet! 

That's nearly 700,000 REO's already in the pipeline that the market hasn't actually "realized" yet, and he's predicting another 3 million foreclosures this year - so again, if he's even close to correct, we're nowhere near a bottom yet.

You can read his statements here - http://www.money.cnn.hu/2009/01/15/real_estate/millions_in_foreclosure/index.htm?postversion=2009011503

Jeff (Founding Lurker)
4:23am • #24

It doesn't matter what the interest rate is or the price of the property if there isn't a job to qualify the buyer to pay for a mortgage people can't buy a house. I agree with the idea that people are waiting for a more rock bottom. Thanx for a informative and interesting read.

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excellent post and thanks for your blunt comments on this situation - seems like to be we keep rewarding people who make mistakes - why not give tax credit to those who pay their bills...now I bet that would stimulate the economy

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Spencer, Excellent post. I hear so many comments from realtors in my area about lowering interest rates and how this new plan is so great and all I can think of is none of it matters if you don't have a job or feel that you could lose your job any day. I know 5 people in the last month who have lost their jobs. It seems so basic that recovery has to start with lowering the unemployment rate.

6:23am • #27

Excellent post! People do need to feel secure in their jobs number one. As a vet. in this biz, I saw the craziness in the early 80's again in the early 90's. The key factor I think is income and debt vs. housing affordability in monthly payments. Banks try to be competitive by coming up with crazy monthly payment schemes - negative am., 40 yr. loans, no interest loans, et- then add to that 100% financing- crazy - then add to that - you don't have to have good credit- or a job for that matter- stated income, stated asset. And- here we are. So- as a REALTOR, we owe it to our communities to never let this happen again- just say no to the craziness- I know we did as a company in this last disaster- seriously, we have a transaction management system that dots I's and crosses T's and anything that looked funky, even agents- we said good bye to. We were told I can do this over here- and we said go- do it over there, not here. Guess what- we survived, and we are the number one C21 office in the state- number one in town. So - you can make money the right way, and we need to step up as an industry and be ethical, banks, REALTORs, mortgage companies - let's put it this way, I would not let my daughter try to live beyond her means - why would I encourage my clients to. Good for you, good for Zillow for hiring you- keep it real.

6:44am • #28
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Thank you all SO much for these terrific comments. This is the type of dialogue and discussion that online communities are supposed to enable! It's really great that the real estate community has a place to come and discuss important issues like this.

This thread makes me proud to be an ActiveRainer!

And on a personal note, I want to thank you for your very flattering comments. Other than

7:12am • #29

It's not fair!  My house is paid for, (I inherited it from my folks along with a good deal of cash).  I make plenty of money, (from my Gov retirement & disability income).  If there's nothing in the bill to help me, I don't want to help those bums who are having trouble making their mortgage payments!  If the Gov wants those of us who really don't need it, to support this plan, they had better get  $100,000 to me by midnight, (un-marked bills), like they are doing for those Wall Street Bankers!

Sammy
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this is a very sad time , to say the least, we have socialized the losses and privatized all the losses - a new America that is for sure

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These are extraordinary times, I you have raised some very interesting questions.  It is difficult to sort through all of this and your post shed some light on what is being proposed and what may still need to be done to help the ailing economy.

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Spencer... you are absolutely wrong about cram-downs.  That alone would decimate the housing situation going forward. 

Expect loan rates for mortgages to go up anywhere from 30-50%.  Look at the difference in rates for owner/occupants and investor properties right now.  That means that after taxes and insurance are added, mortgage costs for most people (getting new loans... and balancing the risk on older loans) will be 25-40% higher... assuming that prices remain stable. 

And look at all of the low down payment options for investor properties... oh, wait... You Can't, because they are non-existent.  Mortgage insurers don't want to touch loans where a judge can cram down THEIR RISK, so the lenders require 20% down for most of the investor programs. 

And when you start adding things together, you see higher interest rates, higher down payment and higher credit score requirements in order to get a mortgage... and that means even fewer buyers that can qualify.  When there are fewer buyers, prices fall.    The problem that they are trying to correct is the fall-out from prices dropping.  You can't fix the effects of price declines by instituting policies that will make prices fall further... 

 

You are correct that the basics of the economy need to be addressed to fix housing.  Everything else is just spending money and buying favor.

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just having that 2/3 pull their head out of sand, would be a good start. If those people just asked for help we would see a lot of foreclosres stemmed. Reducing market inventory is key to stabilization.

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- the part of the plan that I like least is the one that introduces enormous moral hazard on the part of borrowers: it basically rewards homeowners who fall behind on their mortgage by paying them a few thousand bucks to stay CURRENT on their mortgage. I think that creates strange incentives.

 

YES YES YES. The plan is getting backlash from middle-america --90% of homeowners ARE making their payments. Why not reward those?

11:31am • #35

Great post and very well thought out!!! However, 75 billion only scratches the surface and many more mortgages will have to be modified or subsidized by the banks and government if we are going to effectively limit foreclosures and even start to see home prices rise again. It serves the banks right to give back some of the billions they unscrupulously made the last 8 years (since 9/11). Our gov't is also to blame because of the complete lack of regulation starting with Fannie/Freddie and then the SEC for not doing their job.

11:46am • #36

"a striking 70% of American homeowners think their home will increase in value or stay flat over the next 6 months."

This is an unfortunate trend I'm seeing locally.  List prices are HIGHER today than when a home was purchased two to three years ago during peak times.  Successfully sold prices are LOWER.  Prices have in fact come down the last couple of years!  There are very very few exceptions of increasing value.

This is a total disconnect that we are not clearly getting the word out about!  Treading lightly, I'm not sure if many agents are understanding this due to list prices.  It's keeping inventory way too high ... which continues the problem.

This affects everyone, not just those trying to buy or sell.

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Spencer: Thank you. This is very well thought out and, despite people not wanting to necessarily hear the truth, probably accurate. I was discussing with a real estate agent friend of mine that the American psyche needs to improve. Then, and only then, can the market begin to turn around. Thanks again for the post!

2:52pm • #38

Spencer, I am so with you on the point about jobless rate.  That is a key that will not be a help in turning this around.  Also, the plain fact that reducing a principal on someone who took out an ARM verses the person who has lost 25% - 50% equity with a 20% down fixed rate loan gets no help, seems basically wrong.  The plan also does not address those who have been impacted by disability/health/divorce or truthfully households that lost one income through job loss.  The amount of short sales (nearly 40% of San Jose inventory) will be heading toward foreclosure.  In my very humble opinion, a 2.99% government backed rate through 2009 would help more, more easily.  That way, even the fixed rate folks can save some equity.  Money will be made, investors will come out, buyers will come out, many will be able to modify loans.  The program presented by Obama is at most a nice try.  However, beauracracy and a complicated plan will not help us in 2009.  Most likely not in 2010.

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Bad behavior encourages more bad behavior. All this does for me is make me want to stop paying my bills and retire on the government trough. The only reason I don't is I am still a PROUD, HARDWORKING AMERICAN. The banks are being bailed out for their loss on the same loans that these folks are getting bailed out for the very same loans now that is double dipping. What a country.

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My thoughts on the bailout plan is that there is probably no good solution.  There is no easy one.  And, I'd hate to be the one having to come up with a plan for problems bigger than any of us can sum up in endless blogging!

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Unless people start making more (inflation) or the banks start lending like crazy again (unlikely since there is no one to sell the mortgages to, also inflationary) you will not see these home prices again for some time. 

 

The sooner you can make your sellers realize this the sooner you can get back to earning money.

Poodle
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