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Discrimination and Real Estate: What Do You Do?

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Real Estate Agent with Ad Astra Realty BR00222587

Fair HousingTHE LAW

Fair Housing Act
Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 (Fair Housing Act), as amended, prohibits discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of dwellings, and in other housing-related transactions, based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status (including children under the age of 18 living with parents of legal custodians, pregnant women, and people securing custody of children under the age of 18), and handicap (disability).

                                     

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Professional real estate agents learn very early on that discrimination will not be tolerated in the eyes of the law where housing is concerned.  In fact, I have been instructed by brokers and trainers alike to never discuss race at any turn even if the client initiates the conversation. 

The subject is taboo.  But is that real life?

REAL LIFE DEALINGS WITH DISCRIMINATION

We've all dealt with it.  You may not admit it.  You may not even recognize it.  Most of polite society knows that a real estate agent can't tell you whether a neighborhood is inhabited primarily by Caucasians, African-Americans, Chinese, Mexicans or Indians.  Whether or not a neighborhood is Polish Catholic is nothing to be discussed, even if your buyer is Polish Catholic and wants to live in such a neighborhood. 

Cities set up their own "code speak" to deal with discrimination.  When I lived in Tulsa, the code speak was "I don't want to live north of Admiral Blvd."  After returning to Kansas City the code speak is "I don't want to live east of Prospect."  Those statements ALWAYS came from Caucasian buyers.  But before you think it is a problem with one particular set of people I've also heard that a neighborhood was "too white-bread" and therefore crossed off the buyer's list. 

The Sign Call

While still living and working in Tulsa I had a very nice listing in the heart of South Tulsa.  The listing was a ranch home that had been nicely updated and was in a very trendy part of the city.  (61st & Yale area if you are familiar with Tulsa.)  One day I received a sign call from a seemingly elderly lady.  We discussed the listing in question and she was very enthusiastic about the home.  I even sent photos by email.  A short time later I received a call from the husband who seemed very enthusiastic, as well.  It was the house they needed as it was only one story.  It had an elevation they just loved and it was in a part of town they had always wanted to live.  It was close to their kids and everything just seemed right.  They were going to drive by that afternoon and give me  a call.

I didn't hear from them to set up an appointment to show that day.  I thought that odd based on their earlier enthusiasm.  Now, we've all had clients excited about a house who ended up not buying for various reasons.  But I chose to call them the next morning and ask if they had a chance to drive by and see if they liked the outside as much in person.  The tone of voice was decidedly different, and cold.

While I can no longer remember the entire conversation verbatim, the excited lady from the day before was now sounding depressed.  "We love the house.  But we just cannot live in that neighborhood."  That I remember quite well.

I was stunned.  As I said, this is a neighborhood everyone wants to live in.  It has modern amenities and an old fashioned feel.  Close to downtown, close to suburban shopping and convenient to highways.  Days on market in this neighborhood was seldom more than 30 days even in a stagnant market. 

"Why?  What changed your mind?" I asked.

"Well.  We drove by twice.  And we saw two Negro families.  We just cannot live in a neighborhood like that."  Said without any embarrassment or shyness. 

The Fallout

Frankly, I was stunned.  Most people will tell you I'm never at a loss for words.  I specialize in the quick comeback for Pete's sake.  But it took me a second to regroup.  Thoughts raced through my mind like "does she know it's 2003?"  "Does she not know how nice the house is?"  "Are African-Americans not allowed to live in nice neighborhoods?"  Code speak I had gotten used to.  (Which doesn't make it right, by the way.)  But this was outright discrimination. 

The silence must have warned her that I wasn't part of "that club".  I told her that I was sorry and that I didn't really know what else to say.  She said that it was okay and that she had been impressed by me and my websites and wanted me to help her find some other place. 

"I don't think so.  Perhaps you should start searching for a new real estate agent."  With that I hung up the phone. 

But that wasn't the end of it.

About fifteen minutes later I received another call from her.  She said she had discussed the conversation with her husband and that he informed her that she may have said something that would get them in trouble with the discrimination laws.  For that she was sorry.  Not for the attitude, mind you. Just that she had said it out loud.  She also wanted to make sure I wouldn't turn her into the authorities.

I calmly explained to her that I didn't believe she had broken any laws. To the best of my knowledge, there is no law that regulates a person's attitudes and prejudices.  Only their actions when selling or renting housing.  But I don't think there is anything that can make you buy. 

I didn't stop there, this time.  Given a second chance this time I did explain to her that what she had said was offensive to me.  That race relations and civil rights in the United States had come a long way since 1964.  And that I was sorry that someone in 2003 would still base an important life decision on hatred and misinformation.  I wished her the best and asked her to carefully consider her beliefs.  And with that I hung up the phone with her.  For the final time.

Walking the Tightrope

 Don Imus, Jason Whitlock, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson showed us very recently how race relations boil just below the surface in this country.  Jason Whitlock seems to be one of the few in the media willing to take on the subject in a manner that is both civil and fair.  It's a discussion that America needs to have out loud, in mixed company. 

As real estate agents, however, it is our duty to remain quiet on the subject while working.  Hide from code speak.  Flee from discriminatory practices and conversations.   I would remind you that not only is it the law, it is the right thing to do.  After all, God created all of us. 

The Mortgage Oasis
The Mortgage Oasis - Fort Lauderdale, FL

Interesting ...current trends in Fair Housing cases indicate that there is a growing number of complaints and legal cases involving those with disabilities. Thanks for the post!

May 13, 2007 09:15 PM
Allison Stewart
St.Cloud Homes - Saint Cloud, FL
St. Cloud Fl Realtor, Osceola County Real Estate 407-616-9904

Congratulations Chris - On a Serious topic.

May 13, 2007 10:39 PM
Marti Shuey
Keller Williams Diamond Partners Inc - Olathe, KS
Wow!  Chris, this is a great story and I really commend you for taking a stand.  I agree fully that in today's day and age, this kind of behavior is not tolerable.  Good for you1
May 14, 2007 02:51 AM
Sapan Behar
Royal LePage Wolstencroft - Langley, BC
Racism, however subtle or "polite", is racism. The root cause of racism is lack of education or lack of desire to be educated. When there is lack of education, there is hope. When there is lack of desire to be educated, is there any hope?
May 16, 2007 09:10 AM
Julio Anchante
Century 21 M & M and Associates - Vacaville, CA
CRS, Vacaville, CA - Home Search
Well done Chris. Great post Fantastic!!!
May 18, 2007 06:19 PM
Colleen Irwin
Retired - Irondequoit, NY
Creative Real Estate Solutions...

 

This post was just featured in the Localism Week In Review May 12-19, 2997

 

May 19, 2007 07:24 AM
Steven Turetsky
Comprehensive Building Inspections & Consultants - Staten Island, NY
Building Moisture Analyst

I think that this is an excellent post and I do have feelings about the subject. I may be exposing myself to some pretty serious critisism for even responding.

If I was in the market to purchase a home, and, well for the sake of creating an example, lets say I was from out of town, and I needed an agent to help me find a home that was suitable.

I found an agent and we were scheduling a day for me to fly in and look at homes. Prior to the date, my agent has sent me a number of MLS listings to go over, so I could select a few to look at when the day comes.

Is it OK to ask about the schools?, how about the economic condition of the area? What if I am older and don't want to live in a neighborhood filled with young children? or since I have 13 and 15 year old sons I want a "young" neighborhood.

Personally, I think that there is a very fine line between racial discrimination and just wanting information. I think that the agent is there to supply information, but has to be careful how he or she does it.

I could ask you about the racial make up of the area because I don't want to live near a certain group, or I could ask you the make up of the area because I want to live in a "balanced" area. Personally, I don't want to live in any predominantly anything area.

I have owned homes and had businesses in many different types of neighborhoods, I treat everyone the same.

I am a Jewish, but I not Orthodox, so I would have a hard time living in a religious Jewish area. Not because I don't like fellow Jews, but because I would feel uncomfortable when my neighbors would see me driving on the Sabbath or on  holidays or see the pizza truck come by. My children would be treated as "outsiders". Does this make me a bigot? So would it be illegal to ask about the make up of the area? Would you refuse to be my agent?

I think discrimination is bad, but I also think reverse discrimination is bad too. Or perhaps it is not the agent's job to help find a home in an area that the new buyer will be comfortable in, perhaps their only job is to find a home that is pretty and has the right amount of bathrooms.

Please fogive me if I offended anyone.

 

May 19, 2007 11:26 PM
Chris Lengquist
Ad Astra Realty - Olathe, KS
Kansas City Real Estate Investing

Steven,

Many of your questions are valid and are not considered discriminatory.  You are certainly welcome to ask about economic viability, price ranges and anything having to do with a school district.  I would also recommend to you that you pull out a map of any area you are looking to move into so that  you will have an idea as to where churches and synagogues and mosques may be located to determine viability for your chosen worship areas.  But the facts are that a real estate agent cannot answer your religious questions without breaking the law.

Agents can also feel the bind here.  We have a job to do in service to our clients. We also have a license to keep and laws that no reasonable person can ask us to break. 

I find those issues are usually answered best by simply explaining the law and my position.  Most people pick up on the fact that I will not describe race of neighborhoods and realize that I am an ethical professional who wants to help but cannot break the law. They will then get their information elsewehere.

As far as refusing to work with you it doesn't sound like you are necessarily discriminating against any subset of people.  Saying I won't live on any block with "this" kind of person is discriminatory.  Saying I want to live in a neighborhood with "this" kind of person, to me, is preference.  I still can't say "I have the neighborhood for you" but I wouldn't refuse to work with you, either.  See the difference? 

May 20, 2007 01:57 AM
Carol Smith
Casmi Photography - Mebane, NC

Great post, Chris!  Thanks.

In our office we have a relocation manager that is more than willing to provide information regarding the various neighborhoods.  Info such as schools, public transportation, property valuations - both up and down, even the US Census reports that show a breakdown of the types of households.  These are all public record and in no way discriminate against any one group.  Purely informational without personal commentary.  The client is free to do further research and study the maps to figure out what they want and where.

Recently I had a conversation with a seller who asked me not to show his property to a certain group of people because his neighbor doesn't like them and will make life miserable for them.  My immediate response was, "I cannot have this conversation with you.  It's illegal, not to mention unethical and immoral.  If your neighbor does not like a certain group of people then that is his problem.  Perhaps he needs to take some courses in sensitivity training.   I will show your home to anyone that is interested and qualified."

Again he started in on his 'mission' to dissuade me from showing the property to 'those people' in an effort not to upset the neighbor.  Again he got reminded that he is asking me to act illegally.  This time I flat out told him, "I am very good at what I do.  That's why you called me.  If you are not going to let me do my job, then perhaps you would be better off with someone else."  This ended the conversation.  I still have the listing and show it to anyone that calls.  The neighbor has stopped me a couple times and asked about 'those people' and I tell him that he is making inflammatory comments and that I refuse to listen to such.  Needless to say this is going to be one heck of a ride!

There are good and bad in ALL people.  Doesn't matter about color, education, financial status, or age.  To try to label one group is reprehensible. 

 

May 20, 2007 03:05 AM
Steven Turetsky
Comprehensive Building Inspections & Consultants - Staten Island, NY
Building Moisture Analyst

I understand your position and understand the laws, I just feel that there are certain questions that folks should be allowed to ask, and folks should be allowed to answer. I am not a bigot, and when my home was a two family home, my aim was to rent to respectable tenants, regardless of their origin.

I have met fine folks of all different sizes, shapes and ethnicity, and I have also met not fine folks of all different sizes, shape and ethnicity.

Perhaps, it would be good to advise a would be buyer that asks about the neighborhood, to take a ride and see for themselves if they like the area.

May 20, 2007 09:56 AM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate

I'm sorry to say, the worst offender I've ever worked with was a family member. I had to tell him repeatedly, as we were driving around looking at homes, that I can't discuss this. Fortunately, since it was family, I could be straight-forward without worrying about repercussions. But it was an eye-opener that someone in my own family could be this ignorant.

Aside from that, it does seem to be the elderly people that still have their heads stuck in the past.

May 20, 2007 04:11 PM
Lania DeMers
Rocky Mountain Realty Co. - Colorado Springs, CO
Broker, Rocky Mountain Realty Co.

Wow. This is a post worth reading, Chris. I am glad that you had TRUE integrity in telling that client that you could not work with them! Many people SAY they have good values, but see who will forfeit closing cash and you will see who has true integrity.

 

May 25, 2007 10:23 AM
Gregory Maley
Sold Buy the Sea Realty & R.E.N.T. - Wilmington, NC
REALTOR, GRI, CBR, SHS, e-PRO, ABR
Stupidity aside, the thing that most people fail to recognize is that even if they had driven through the neighborhood and only saw "their kind of people", the day after settlement, their neighbor might sell to someone they don't like.  Unless they're buying a "compound", they really should just wise up.
May 28, 2007 05:06 AM
Ebony Griffin
Higher Heights Real Estate Services LLC - Raleigh, NC

Chris,

 Job well done. In this day and age, we often forget that racial tension and bias remain. You have illuminated in me that there are inteligent and ethical people such as yourself who are willing to go against the grain, and stand up for what is right. There are MANY people who can stand up for what is right...when there's a crowd, but how many would take that same stand in private like you did? BRAVO FOR YOU!!!

May 29, 2007 01:59 AM
Stephen Joos & Chris Brubaker- HouseFront
HouseFront - Denver, CO

"Racism, however subtle or "polite", is racism. The root cause of racism is lack of education or lack of desire to be educated. When there is lack of education, there is hope. When there is lack of desire to be educated, is there any hope?" said by: Sapanjot Behar

So wise. This post, the duration it has been featured, and the comments that support it give hope for change. Great post, great comments.... 

Jun 05, 2007 07:46 AM
Marie Kletke
iNet Realty - Long Beach, CA
Broker - Long Beach Real Estate

Discrimination comes in all forms. 

Here in California we have racial discrimination too - I have encountered it myself.  Most of my friends and acquiantances talk about how landlords and apartment managers violate the Fair Housing Law by discriminating familes with small children.  Many of them do it openly and will actually say to you when you challenge them - "Well, good luck proving it in a court of law."  Then the law bites you again if you are a landlord trying to correct a situation dealing with problem tenants who just happen to have young children.  There was even a case wherein this couple was taking care of foster kids, letting those kids run around all hours of day and evening (and morning), abusing the kids and the landlord and getting away with it because of the other crazy California and federal laws. 

Jun 05, 2007 04:10 PM
Nestor N. Romero
HomesByNestor - Norwalk, CT
Realtor - Real Estate Fairfield County - (203)515-5511

 

Great post, Chris.

I wish I had that fast mind when schocked by the ignorance and prejudism of some people. I usually don't react and later I feel stupid, but it is not my role to erase what their parents and schools did for them in terms of intolerance towards other ethnical groups, lack of manners, or simply arrogance.

My company was conducting a series of training sessions and we rented some space at one of the best hotels in town. Sometimes we would see guests attending other parties or events in other rooms, and I was chatting with two colleagues of mine during the break, and this lady came to me to ask "where is the ladies room"? There was no "Hi!, Excuse me, do you know where the ladies' room is?", she did not ask to my other two white colleagues.  I gave her directions and she left... no "Thank you!!!"  was left behind her...

Was it plain rudeness, was she just another rich arrogant lady? Or in er eyes, hispanics in a hotel are there to serve her?

My friends, acknowledging how rude she had been said: "you should've said... No entiendo, No hablo Ingles.... "... and make her wait until she could find another "hotel employee", ask in better terms, or simply had a wet accident... " but as I said, I am not that fast reacting to rude people, and am not usually expecting this type of behavior from people who look well dress in a nice environment...

As some realtors here suggested, we need to educate our clients and customers. It is the law. It is written, but it doesn't mean everybody is ready to hear it, however we need to make them aware of why we can't be part of their "twisted selective process".

What is difficult to understand is that other real estate professionals publicly display their racism and anger toward other racial groups, especially in this forum.

Check this: http://activerain.com/blogsview/183607/Is-it-OK-to

Oct 25, 2007 09:30 AM
Magdalena Malyszko
HomeSmartConnect - Barrington, IL

Chris,

Thank you for choosing such a provocative subject that many find difficult to bring up!

Unfortunately, in this day and age in a country as open as America, I still have had experiences with prejudiced clients. The racist comments I hear sometimes are really troubling. Thank you for setting such a great example, and I will try to follow your lead in future matters concerning discrimination.

 

Mar 10, 2009 09:39 AM
Anonymous
Mexican

I want to comment on a real estate agent John Schaller part of Remax he is also the president of the association which he used for his benefit by accepting us in the complex make money and then kickin us out. He is a bad agent to deal with don't deal with him very racist and minority shark

He is an agent in Lake Barrington, IL

Jun 11, 2011 03:18 PM
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Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

well, there r still agents over there, who care less about steering or redlining or sellecting only certain kind of people for renting/or purchase. I think, rent are particularly full of discrimination:(

Do u know that by law:

Discrimination in terms and conditions includes countering higher prices, charging higher rents or security deposits, telling that it is already not available if in fact it is( for a right client)

Jun 09, 2012 04:20 PM